@xxx.edu Fri Jan 6 12:25:38 1995 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 95 09:17:33 GMT @xxx.edu @xxx.za Subject: Majordomo file: list 'diy_efi' file 'archive_num_28' -- >From owner-diy_efi Thu Sep 8 12:41:23 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA10963; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:41:23 GMT Received: from knuth.mtsu.edu by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA10958; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:41:20 -0400 Received: by knuth.mtsu.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #21) id m0qiij2-000DkgC; Thu, 8 Sep 94 07:37 CDT @xxx.edu> @xxx. Lusky) Subject: Re: sensor vendors To: DIY_EFI Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 07:37:12 -0500 (CDT) @xxx.com> from "Dan Bocek" at Sep 8, 94 00:02:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1403 Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI Dan Bocek writes: > > There seems to have been a lot of talk about what type of sensors are > needed for an EFI system, but not much about where to get them (aside > from the junk yard - tough to get data on those!). I need a cheap > pressure transducer (prefferably PC board mountable) that can measure > 0 to ~45 psi absolute pressure and that can stand up to the high > tempurature of turbocharged whipped up air and to the dissolving effect of > the occasional gasoline/oil/hydrocarbon molecule that's bound to fly > through it every now and then. I've seen plenty of adds for this type of > transducer in "Sensor" magazine, but they're all designed for industrial > applications, and are a coupla hundred bucks apiece! Where does the > automotive industry buy their sensors? How do you buy stuff from Bosch > directly? I don't know the exact part number you need, but the part you want is made by Motorola and its in one of their books (don't remember which on). Designed to be mounted on a PC board, think they have models that go to 200psi, and its cheap, too if i remember right. My Stewart-Stevenson GFI's controller had three of them on the board (one for rail pressure, one for MAP, one for atmospheric.) -- @xxx.edu "Turbos are nice but I'd rather be blown!" 68 Camaro Convertible - 350 / TH350 80 Toyota Celica - 20R / 5spd >From owner-diy_efi Thu Sep 8 13:54:12 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA11452; Thu, 8 Sep 94 13:54:12 GMT Received: from abacus.gsfc.nasa.gov by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA11447; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:54:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 9:59:31 -0400 (EDT) @xxx.gov> To: DIY_EFI @xxx.gov> Subject: Re: where to get sensors Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI >Since people also seem to be interested in knock sensors, does anyone >know anything more about the Analog Devices part number AD22030 than is >mentioned in the feeble preliminary data sheet? It's listed as a >monolithic, dual input knock-sensor interface circuit - it would be >perfect for our application - but I have a feeling it's probably just >vapor-ware. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about it. Generally speaking a "Preliminary" data sheet means that only the sheet is preliminary not the device itself. Looking through the Intel book I notice the 386SX sheet say's preliminary - this chips been around since 1980's. If the chip wasn't out yet Intel labels the sheet as "Advanced Information". Sounds like it would be worth a phone call to an applications engineer. Dirk >From owner-diy_efi Thu Sep 8 14:00:23 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA11516; Thu, 8 Sep 94 14:00:23 GMT Received: from gw1.att.com by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA11511; Thu, 8 Sep 94 10:00:20 -0400 Received: from uscbu.ih.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA13989; Thu, 8 Sep 94 09:58:03 EDT Received: by uscbu.ih.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.0.2 main.cf 1.37 10/5/93 (SMI-4.1/SVR4)) id AA19064; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:58:34 CDT @xxx.com Received: from usgp1.ih.att.com by uscbu.ih.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.0.2 main.cf 1.37 10/5/93 (SMI-4.1/SVR4)) id AA19059; Thu, 8 Sep 94 08:58:34 CDT Received: by usgp1.ih.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.1 client.cf 1/8/94 (SMI-4.1/SVR4)) id AA12840; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:59:17 +0600 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:59:17 +0600 @xxx.com> @xxx.com (Bohdan L Bodnar) To: DIY_EFI Subject: Re: sensor vendors Content-Type: text Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI Dan, An aftermarket Ford MAP sensor costs about $75 -- Tomco "manufactures" them. Locally, the Giant Auto chain carries tons of Tomco gear. My experience is that it's of a high quality. Tomco stuff is also carried by parts jobbers (with a hefty price increase...). For a printed circuit board mounted MAP sensor, the closest I can think of is Chrysler's MAP sensors that were used in the mid 1980s (discontinued because of vacuum hose routing reliability problems). This is an analog output device. If you end up obtaining a Ford MAP/BMAP sensor (same device, for all practical purposes) and want the pressure/frequency relationship, send me e-mail. Bohdan @xxx.com >From owner-diy_efi Thu Sep 8 15:55:54 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA12025; Thu, 8 Sep 94 15:55:54 GMT Received: from alpha.Xerox.COM by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA12020; Thu, 8 Sep 94 11:55:51 -0400 Received: from egeus.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.64]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14906(5)>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:55:29 PDT Received: by egeus.parc.xerox.com via suspension id <55940>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:55:15 -0700 Received: from localhost by egeus.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <55939>; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 08:16:42 -0700 To: DIY_EFI Subject: Re: sensor vendors (really distributor parts) In-Reply-To: lusky's message of Thu, 08 Sep 94 05:37:12 -0800. @xxx.edu> X-Face: ;F1i:c.5WjM"fi5"DpJ_)/9l,$3ij12_"J7catfSLlS3pI8x~_'d-\{;OzSY+n,r/tf )-j:)z&8exw9:)^!TcW]Sq; @xxx.com> Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI Not exactly sensors, but I'm looking for cheap ways to update the Lucas distributors in my cars. It seems really wrong to have a modern ignition system that's triggered by breaker points, and downright stupid to buy one of the optical slitter systems just to do point replacement. Surely some of the modern reluctor/hall effect distributors have parts that can be reused; has anyone done the homework? I'm interested in both 4 and 6 cylinder solutions. >From owner-diy_efi Thu Sep 8 16:26:23 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA12317; Thu, 8 Sep 94 16:26:23 GMT Received: from pine.cse.nau.edu by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA12312; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:26:18 -0400 @xxx.edu; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:26:16 -0700 @xxx.edu> @xxx.edu (MTN-KAT) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 09:26:16 -0700 @xxx.edu> "Re: mp kernel" (Sep 8, 12:10am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: DIY_EFI Subject: Re: mp kernel Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI John, is the reconfigured gcc available for our use? I've been using that damnable small C compiler and I hate writing BASIC structured C. Small C doesn't recognize functions, dontchaknow. I'm hoping to have my Distributorless ignition system ready to fire in the next few months. Millam >From owner-diy_efi Thu Sep 8 16:40:19 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA12386; Thu, 8 Sep 94 16:40:19 GMT Received: from abacus.gsfc.nasa.gov by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA12381; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:40:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 12:45:37 -0400 (EDT) @xxx.gov> To: DIY_EFI @xxx.gov> Subject: Re: sensor vendors (really distributor parts) Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI >Not exactly sensors, but I'm looking for cheap ways to update the Lucas >distributors in my cars. It seems really wrong to have a modern >ignition system that's triggered by breaker points, and downright >stupid to buy one of the optical slitter systems just to do point replacement. >Surely some of the modern reluctor/hall effect distributors have parts >that can be reused; has anyone done the homework? I'm interested in >both 4 and 6 cylinder solutions. Well Mallory makes a breakerless conversion kit for GM's and Ford's. This is of course only for the common v-8's.... but looking at the picture of parts in the Jeg's catalog I don't see any wheel. Perhaps with modification of the mouniting of the hardware this could be used. The cost is about $90 mail order . A good speed shop might allow you to look at the parts before you buy it. I bet the big problem would be fitting everything under the cap. Other than that - most Hall effect distributers have a toothed wheel rather than the relatively flat wheel that point ignition systems use. A little machine work and you could make your own - then get a pickup from any GM system and use a GM control module - mount the GM control module on the outside of the distributer to a heat sink and you should be O.K. Sounds do-able but may require some machine work and some careful comparison of specs - like shaft diameter etc. Dirk >From owner-diy_efi Thu Sep 8 19:00:34 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA12899; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:00:34 GMT Received: from maxwell.ee.washington.edu by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA12894; Thu, 8 Sep 94 15:00:32 -0400 Received: by maxwell.ee.washington.edu (1.37.109.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.26 ) id AA01613; Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:00:22 -0700 @xxx.edu> @xxx.edu> Subject: Re: sensor vendors To: DIY_EFI Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 12:00:22 PDT @xxx.com>; from "Dan Bocek" at Sep 08, 94 12:02 (midnight) Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI Hi: I called Analog Devices on that knock sensor, and they told me it had never been produced. Too bad for guys like us, huh? It would have been perfect, as you said... Mike Gruber >From owner-diy_efi Thu Sep 8 19:02:25 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA12915; Thu, 8 Sep 94 19:02:25 GMT Received: from localhost.eng.ohio-state.edu by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA12910; Thu, 8 Sep 94 15:02:23 -0400 @xxx.edu> To: DIY_EFI Cc: jsg Subject: Re: mp kernel In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Sep 94 09:26:16 PDT." @xxx.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 94 15:02:23 -0400 From: John S Gwynne Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI -------- @xxx.edu> , you write: | John, is the reconfigured gcc available for our use? In what sense ? All of the GNU "stuff" is available to everyone, and we are free to distribute it as long as we do not violate the GNU license. (which basicly says the source must be included in any distribution...) | I've been using that damnable small C compiler and I hate writing BASIC | structured C. Small C doesn't recognize functions, dontchaknow. Doesn't recognize function, what good is it ?! GCC is a ANSI C compiler. It support every thing in the standard. It fully supports function calls along with the ability to link object modules. Actually, GCC generate assembly that GAS compiles. Then the GNU loader "puts it all together". Keep in mind that the FSF dose not support the 68HC11. You may need your own assembler and linker for that chip, but I see those "all over" the net (I haven't built the 68hc11 version yet). With the 68000, it all fits together and works nicely. John S Gwynne @xxx.edu _______________________________________________________________________________ T h e O h i o - S t a t e U n i v e r s i t y ElectroScience Laboratory, 1320 Kinnear Road, Columbus, Ohio 43212, USA Telephone: (614) 292-7981 * Fax: (614) 292-7292 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From owner-diy_efi Fri Sep 9 00:20:26 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA14119; Fri, 9 Sep 94 00:20:26 GMT Received: from pine.cse.nau.edu by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA14114; Thu, 8 Sep 94 20:20:23 -0400 @xxx.edu; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:20:19 -0700 @xxx.edu> @xxx.edu (MTN-KAT) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 17:20:18 -0700 @xxx.edu> "Re: mp kernel" (Sep 8, 3:02pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: DIY_EFI Subject: Re: mp kernel Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI COuld you point me in the right direction to find an assembler to support linking the gcc output to the 6811? Millam >From owner-diy_efi Fri Sep 9 01:33:26 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA14576; Fri, 9 Sep 94 01:33:26 GMT Received: from localhost.eng.ohio-state.edu by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA14571; Thu, 8 Sep 94 21:33:23 -0400 @xxx.edu> To: DIY_EFI Cc: jsg Subject: Re: mp kernel In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Sep 94 17:20:18 PDT." @xxx.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 94 21:33:23 -0400 From: John S Gwynne Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI -------- @xxx.edu> , you write: | COuld you point me in the right direction to find an assembler to support | linking the gcc output to the 6811? Your getting ahead of me with the 68hc11. The last I heard the gcc port was at ftp.netcom.com in pub/coative (it was a beta release). Check the documentation there. I also thought I saw something on cherupakha.media.mit.edu with respect to libgcc.a or floating point operations. Also look at bode.ee.alberta.edu(?) (they have a lot of cross-assemblers). There is also a list through Mosaic (check the DIY_EFI page; I think it hyper-links to it). After that I would search with archie. Let us know want you find. I will not start looking at 68hc11 stuff till the end of October. John S Gwynne @xxx.edu _______________________________________________________________________________ T h e O h i o - S t a t e U n i v e r s i t y ElectroScience Laboratory, 1320 Kinnear Road, Columbus, Ohio 43212, USA Telephone: (614) 292-7981 * Fax: (614) 292-7292 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From owner-diy_efi Fri Sep 9 03:33:33 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA15369; Fri, 9 Sep 94 03:33:33 GMT Received: from eagle.natinst.com by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA15359; Thu, 8 Sep 94 23:32:50 -0400 @xxx.edu; Thu, 8 Sep 1994 22:32:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 22:32:24 -0500 @xxx.com> @xxx.com> To: DIY_EFI Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI Looking at the mail on this mailing list I get the idea that some of the posters are working together to develop a fi controller. I'm wondering if there is an ftp site or www server that has information about the overall architecture of this fi system being designed, perhaps a list of tasks needing to be done etc. I'm running linux so I could compile some cross compilers or possibly the kernel that was mentioned. I didn't think gnu had a compiler to produce 6800 assembly though. Also I could probably design A/D circuitry to interface to the CPU. The biggest unknown in my mind is how I'm going to come up with a control algorithm once I get all the rest of the system. Perhaps there is a good general purpose solution to this problem. If so I'd appreciate information about where to look. I don't know if I just need to come up with values to parameters of some general purpose control equation. I imagine this is wishful thinking at least if I want an efficiently running engine. I've been thinking along the following lines for designing an "optimal" engine control algorithm. Suppose you take an existing engine controller and record the sensor and actuator (injector pulse width, dwell, advance etc) variable values for a period of time. Using this data you develop a model of the engine state space (a function which predicts the sensor values at the next sample time as a function of previous sensor and actuator values). Are there already accurate (and hopefully simple) models of engine response to actuator input? I read a fuel injection book by Bosch that had a picture of experimental data showing the output of some engine parameter as a function of some input parameters which makes me think that it is likely that there aren't any such models covering all engines. If there is such a model the data can be used to determine any fixed parameters of this model. Then you can develop an optimal control equation based on this model. You can then run the engine with this control equation occasionally perturbing the control to see if the engine responds according to the model. If not the model can be refined which can be used to obtain new control equations. I suspect that the above description is unclear but I guess I'll see what kind of response it generates before elaborating. Thanks. mike >From owner-diy_efi Fri Sep 9 06:52:47 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA15774; Fri, 9 Sep 94 06:52:47 GMT Received: from maxwell.ee.washington.edu by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA15769; Fri, 9 Sep 94 02:52:44 -0400 Received: by maxwell.ee.washington.edu (1.37.109.4/UW-NDC Revision: 2.26 ) id AA24194; Thu, 8 Sep 94 23:52:29 -0700 @xxx.edu> @xxx.edu> Subject: Engine Models for Control To: DIY_EFI Date: Thu, 8 Sep 94 23:52:29 PDT @xxx.com>; from "Mike Klopfer" at Sep 8, 94 10:32 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI Mike: I was lucky to run into someone here (at the University of Washington) who worked for GM and other corporations doing injection work. He turned me on to a Ph.D. thesis done by a friend of his at M.I.T., who is now on the faculty at the University of Wisconsin. This thesis will give you an idea of what is possible to model and how. It is pretty complicated, and on my own injection system I am using no dynamic model, simply a lookup table based on manifold pressure and rpm. This basic value is then compensated for air temp, throttle position, and etc. The thesis is: "Automotive Engine Modeling for Real Time Control" It is written by John J. Moskwa. I'd try to get it by contacting him through the mechanical engineering department at U of Wisconsin. He may be able to tell you where to get it, or he may send you a copy (If you pay the copier charge, of course). Hope this helps, Mike Gruber >From owner-diy_efi Fri Sep 9 08:03:10 1994 Received: by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) id AA15847; Fri, 9 Sep 94 08:03:10 GMT Received: from [147.11.1.24] by coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu via SMTP (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for /usr/local/mail/majordomo-1.92/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l Diy_Efi -f Diy_Efi-Owner -h coulomb.eng.ohio-state.edu -s -r DIY_EFI diy_efi-outgoing id AA15842; Fri, 9 Sep 94 04:03:07 -0400 Received: by darya.wrs.com id AA21485 @xxx.edu); Fri, 9 Sep 1994 01:00:26 -0700 @xxx.com> @xxx.com> Subject: Re: your mail To: DIY_EFI Date: Fri, 9 Sep 1994 01:00:25 -0700 (PDT) @xxx.com> from "Mike Klopfer" at Sep 8, 94 10:32:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2185 Sender: owner-diy_efi Precedence: bulk Reply-To: DIY_EFI Mike Klopfer wrote: > > I'm wondering if there is an ftp site or www server that has information about > the overall architecture of this fi system being designed, perhaps a list of > tasks needing to be done etc. I'm running linux so I could compile some cross > compilers or possibly the kernel that was mentioned. I didn't think gnu had a > compiler to produce 6800 assembly though. Welcome to the '90's and the death of the 8-bit processor... that's 68000 :-) As far as www: > Message 87/89 From Robert Fridman Jun 15, 94 10:25:02 am -0600 > > > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 1994 10:25:02 -0600 @xxx.edu > Subject: diy_efi WWW page @xxx.edu > Precedence: bulk @xxx.edu > > > Hello all. > > The diy_efi WWW server is still running and waiting for additional > material. The WWW server is fully functional but is still in its > infancy and desperately needs more information. If you have written > anything up to do with EFI or have references about pertinent > articles or know of any supliers of material required for building > EFI systems (sensors, electronics, software) send them to me. > > If there are any projects which you are interested in pursuing or are > working on, send me a writeup or a short note. Or if you want to > provide information about yourself (currently, there are two entries) > send that in as well. > > If you are not connected directly to the Internet, you can still > contribute material by sending it to me and I'll insert it into the > WWW home page. > > Finally, if you don't know what the World Wide Web is or how to access > it, send me mail and I'll explain the nitty gritty details. > > > RF. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 83 R100 DoD 749 Robert Fridman @xxx.ca > 84 320i @xxx.com) Ban low-performance drivers, not high-performance cars. ÿ