DIY_EFI Digest Tuesday, 17 June 1997 Volume 02 : Number 206 In this issue: RE: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor Re: FW: Are you dense or just stupid? Re: FW: REJECTED: FW: REJECTED.. god somebody kill it Re: FW: REJECTED: FW: REJECTED.. god somebody kill it Re: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor Re: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor Re: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor RE: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor checking im still on See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the DIY_EFI or DIY_EFI-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Davies Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Frederic Breitwieser wrote: > There are plenty of "shift kits" available for the Ford & GM > transmissions... and while they don't exactly strengthen the gears, they do > make the vehicle shift "quicker", which reduces the catch time on the > little dog clutches in the auto transmission, so they last longer. > I have never seen any of these little dog clutches. Please tell me more. Jim Davies ------------------------------ From: Johnny Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:18:05 -0700 Subject: Re: FW: Are you dense or just stupid? This is really almost funny now. I have already deleted him from the mailing list, so the list server has stopped sending him mail a couple hours aga. But it appears that he has his mail client set to auto forward ALL of his mail to the list, not just mail that came from the list. IOW, whatever you send him personally, will get forwarded to the list as well. I can just see him getting a "dear john" or something right about now for all of us to read. ;) Meanwhile, guess I will have to send his provider a tasty little morsal so they can delete him from their "list" also. - -j- Harper, Kevin wrote: > > > > >---------- > >From: James Lawler > >Sent: Monday, June 16, 1997 5:17:51 PM > >To: Harper, Kevin > >Subject: Are you dense or just stupid? > >Auto forwarded by a Rule > > > Please stop your annoying email. > > The way to unsubscribe to the efi list is very similar to the method you > used when you subscribed. It is assumed that if you are clever enough to > subscribe to the list you should be able to unsubscribe as well. > > This is part of the message that was sent to you when you joined and has > been sent as part of a monthly reminder ever since. > > >To unsubscribe: Send to Majordomo@xxx.edu > >unsubscribe [list name] [your *registered* email address if > >different than your "From" address] > > The list name is, of course, diy_efi > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > james-lawler@xxx.com, Tel: (604) 713-7172, Fax: (604) 713-7275 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ From: Kevin Rutledge Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 19:33:40 -0700 Subject: Re: FW: REJECTED: FW: REJECTED.. god somebody kill it Who is the list owner? Could this person with the rejecting mail be removed? These rejected messages are really annoying!!!! ------------------------------ From: Johnny Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:35:06 -0700 Subject: Re: FW: REJECTED: FW: REJECTED.. god somebody kill it Kevin Rutledge wrote: > > Who is the list owner? > Could this person with the rejecting mail be removed? > These rejected messages are really annoying!!!! It's been handled. Now all we have to do is hang out for a while and let any old ones still floating around out there die. And yes, I am the list owner. (but I hardly ever like to admit it) - -j- ------------------------------ From: Johnny Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:40:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor Jim Davies wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Frederic Breitwieser wrote: > > > There are plenty of "shift kits" available for the Ford & GM > > transmissions... and while they don't exactly strengthen the gears, they do > > make the vehicle shift "quicker", which reduces the catch time on the > > little dog clutches in the auto transmission, so they last longer. > > > I have never seen any of these little dog clutches. Please tell me more. > > Jim Davies Now Jim, this is obvious baiting here. I'm sure what he meant to say was that reprogramming the valve body, increasing the line pressure, and defeating the accumulator allows the bands and clutch packs to be applied quicker, which usually reduces wear on those friction surfaces, but unfortunately, is only harder on the hard parts like the planatary gear sets, and sprague clutch (if there is one). sometimes you just have to read "intuitively" ;) - -j- ------------------------------ From: Jim Davies Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 22:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor On Mon, 16 Jun 1997, Johnny wrote: > Now Jim, this is obvious baiting here. I'm sure what he meant to say was > that reprogramming the valve body, increasing the line pressure, and > defeating the accumulator allows the bands and clutch packs to be > applied quicker, which usually reduces wear on those friction surfaces, > but unfortunately, is only harder on the hard parts like the planatary > gear sets, and sprague clutch (if there is one). > This depends on the brand used, IME. Using the correct one, and doing it by the book increases the life of most components, and reduces the life of none, including planets and spragues. Don't forget that performance shift kits started out as the original box kits that were developed to fix type-specific weaknesses with some additional stuff included. I don't know of any A/T whose life is reduced by installing either a -Co or -Go kit. Jim Davies ...still in the dark about dog clutches of any size ------------------------------ From: Johnny Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:21:38 -0700 Subject: Re: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor Jim Davies wrote: > > > This depends on the brand used, IME. Using the correct one, and doing it > by the book increases the life of most components, and reduces the life > of none, including planets and spragues. Don't forget that performance shift > kits started out as the original box kits that were developed to fix > type-specific weaknesses with some additional stuff included. I don't > know of any A/T whose life is reduced by installing either a -Co or -Go kit. > I would agree with that. I should have probably said the gears make take more of a pounding than when the clutches slide-shift, but not enough to do them any harm. And, if you are applying more power than usual, the friction parts are still going to be the parts that wear, and severly if they are allowed to slip. I have seen a few broken bands after a shift kit installation though, but this can be remedied by using a more heavy duty band... the one that should be included in a good kit. When I worked in the transmission shop, I don't think I saw too many hard parts broken, with the exception of the sprague cages on Torquflites, but this was usually caused by the low-reverse band (i think) being fried first and the sprague having to do more than it's suppose to, while most manual shift valve bodies eliminate the need for it all together (they know it's a weak link). Now early 700R4 might be another story. I was out of there long before those came about. Ah, the old transmission shop... I can almost close my eyes and smell and feel that burnt up tranny fluid running all the way down my arm and into my shirt. ;) btw, small doggie clutches are what your cat doesn't want to fall into - -j- ------------------------------ From: Andrew Rabbitt Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:01:10 +0100 Subject: RE: Whipple (AutoRotor) Compressor .... accumulator allows the bands and clutch packs to be > applied quicker, which usually reduces wear .... > > > I must say, it's been a 'long time' since I saw anything useful about EFI on this list. Has this turned into a general automotive discussion group or am I missing something here? ------------------------------ From: Doug Robson Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:45:31 +1000 Subject: checking im still on sorry guys and girls just a test ------------------------------ End of DIY_EFI Digest V2 #206 ***************************** To subscribe to DIY_EFI-Digest, send the command: subscribe diy_efi-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@xxx. 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