DIY_EFI Digest            Wednesday, 23 July 1997      Volume 02 : Number 247

In this issue:

	Re: SWITCHED EPROMS
	EFI for Motorcycle Application
	Re: analog or KISS EFI
	Alpha-N Questions
	Re: eproms via lpt
	Re: analog or KISS EFI
	oxygen sensors
	Re: analog or KISS EFI
	SV: analog or KISS EFI
	RE: Throttle body sizing
	Link Engine Management
	oops
	Re: EFI for Motorcycle Application
	Re: eproms via lpt
	Re: Re[2]: Programming language
	Re: Re[2]: Programming language
	Re: oops
	neural networks, J1850, ALDL>RS-232
	Re: Programming language
	Re: oops...Duh!

See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the 
DIY_EFI or DIY_EFI-Digest mailing lists.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Justin Albury <jalbury@xxx.au>
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:24:39 +1000
Subject: Re: SWITCHED EPROMS

Frederic Breitwieser wrote:
> 
> >i have found the these to work fine in the P4 and also in TECH-1
> >cartridges.  if you use the same base code and only change the data of
> 
> I liked your design, however I wish to submit the following comments.
> Instead of using SPST switches directly attached to the E/Eproms, its
> important to make them bounceless, whereby when switching, the real
> millisecend on/off/on condition assiociated with mechanical switches is
> therefor eliminated.  I have a schematic in my archive I can share, when I
> get home, not a problem.
> 
> Then, after making the switch bounceless, you use either a Flip-Flop
> circuit or four inverters to control the enable lines of the two eeproms,
> which you are correct, can only have the data set information changed, not
> the actual code.
> 
> A friend of mine who designed embedded systems for a career, has such a
> system that actually allows CODE changes... this is because, the main loop
> of the program always starts at one particular address, on both chips, then
> the processor switches the enable pins on the EEprom, not a mechanical
> switch.  The mechanical switch controls one of the inputs on the processor,
> when when it hits the beginning of the loop, where the code is the same in
> both chips, will enable or disable the appropriate eeprom.
> 
> Just some thoughts :)
> 
> Frederic Breitwieser
> Homebrew Automotive Mailing List
> Bridgeport, CT 06606
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/4605/index.html
> 1989 AG Hummer 4-Door
> 1993 Supercharged Lincoln Continental
> 2000 Mid-Engine Sports Car <smile>
> 
> ---
thankyou   could you please mail me when you have a chance

Justin

------------------------------

From: "Cummings, Mike" <Michael.Cummings@xxx.mil>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:42:10 -0400
Subject: EFI for Motorcycle Application

Does anyone in this group have information or can someone point me to
information on EFI for motorcycles.  I some 79 XS1100 Yamaha Specials
and would be interested in installing EFI if possible.
Thanks, Mike C, in Columbus, OH.


>

------------------------------

From: senator@xxx.edu (Bill Bradley)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:18:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: analog or KISS EFI

> 
> Anyone out there have any experience with a simple, low cost, reliable
> injection system foe nominal 100hp 4 cyl 4 stroke? KISS  for Keep It
> Simple S- well - you know!!

	Try a Bosch K-jetronic from a VW Rabbit, Volvo 240, BMW 320i, et. al.

	Bill

------------------------------

From: garfield@xxx.com (Garfield)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:23:42 GMT
Subject: Alpha-N Questions

Whelp, I just got snagged on learning more about this odd bird.

Does anyone have the SAE doc. numbers that report on this FI algorithm?
Also, any other leads on info would be most appreciated. I HAVE been
through the archives entirely, so I did do some of my homework.

Garfield

------------------------------

From: Frederic Breitwieser <frederic.breitwieser@xxx.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:47:51 -0400
Subject: Re: eproms via lpt

>Where might I get the demo versions of these products?  I would like to play
>with them a bit.

I searched www.infoseek.com, and found both turbolink and tweeker, both
aimed at V6 Buick eeproms.  However, also in the list, were similar things
for V8.  I just did this a few minutes ago, and didn't see what I had saw
about two months ago when I :thought: I saw it, but I will look again
later.  I didn't dogear the websites... since I am using a V6 unfortunately.
Frederic Breitwieser
Homebrew Automotive Mailing List
Bridgeport, CT 06606
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/4605/index.html
1989 AG Hummer 4-Door
1993 Supercharged Lincoln Continental
2000 Mid-Engine Sports Car <smile>





- ---

------------------------------

From: Paul Messinger <paulm@xxx.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:14:55 -0700
Subject: Re: analog or KISS EFI

Clare Snyder wrote:
> 
> Anyone out there have any experience with a simple, low cost, reliable
> injection system foe nominal 100hp 4 cyl 4 stroke? KISS  for Keep It
> Simple S- well - you know!!

Garfield and I are working on the concept, but remember a carb system 
will always beat a FI system for reliability and simplicity with a 
little maint from time to time. Sudden total carb failure is basically 
unknown with basic maintenance.

Paul

------------------------------

From: Greg Woods <gwoods@xxx.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:30:14 -0500
Subject: oxygen sensors

OK for those of you keeping score with my GM TBI swap into
an 86 2.8l cherokee, here's some recent updates...

Thanks to all who recommended replacing the TPS for my 
last problem.  That was right on the money.  I placed
a new TPS in my throttlebody, rotated it for 800mV at
idle and the "Low TPS voltage" error code disappeared
as did my High idle problems (which makes perfect sense).

The latest error to be strobed from my 86 GM ECM is
an error 45, which is an "O2 sensor indicates rich exhaust"
code.  The vehicle is still missing at low RPM's on
acceleration, and I'm experiencing engine surges/hesitation.
The O2 sensor is brand new with less than 2k miles
on it.  However, it was a cheapy sensor that I bought at
Autozone for $18.  Should I replace the sensor with a 
higher dollar/higher quality model?   Would anyone like 
to recommend an O2 sensor for this?  Is it normal for
cheap O2 sensors to fail prematurely?

any and all responses welcome!  (I'm still new at this
FI thing, but even with these problems, my FI system
still works better than my old carb!)

greg woods
gwoods@xxx.com
austin, tx
86 XJ, GM TBI

------------------------------

From: clsnyde@xxx.net (Clare Snyder)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:37:14 GMT
Subject: Re: analog or KISS EFI

>> 
>> Anyone out there have any experience with a simple, low cost, reliable
>> injection system foe nominal 100hp 4 cyl 4 stroke? KISS  for Keep It
>> Simple S- well - you know!!
>
>	Try a Bosch K-jetronic from a VW Rabbit, Volvo 240, BMW 320i, et. al.
>
>	Bill
>
>
>
This was my first idea - just trying to see if there is anything else out
there - mabee a bit lighter and low - pressure.

------------------------------

From: "Stefan Olsson" <stefan.olsson@xxx.se>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:53:14 +0200
Subject: SV: analog or KISS EFI

Dear Mr Snyder

Try a D-Jetronic from a early Volvo 140 GL. They are very easy to convert
to anything

Best Regards
Stefan

- ----------
> Fr=E5n: Clare Snyder <clsnyde@xxx.net>
> Till: diy_efi@xxx.edu
> =C4mne: Re: analog or KISS EFI
> Datum:  den 22 juli 1997 18:37
>=20
> >>=20
> >> Anyone out there have any experience with a simple, low cost, reliab=
le
> >> injection system foe nominal 100hp 4 cyl 4 stroke? KISS  for Keep It
> >> Simple S- well - you know!!
> >
> >	Try a Bosch K-jetronic from a VW Rabbit, Volvo 240, BMW 320i, et. al.
> >
> >	Bill
> >
> >
> >
> This was my first idea - just trying to see if there is anything else o=
ut
> there - mabee a bit lighter and low - pressure.
>=20

------------------------------

From: James Boughton <boughton@xxx.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:58:54 -0400
Subject: RE: Throttle body sizing

Allan,
	The formula you wrote is correct if you want to calculate the
average flow rate that the engine is using at a constant rate.  The flow
rate calculation I used was to calculate average flow rate over the
intake event.  Thus, divide your equation by .25, or multiply by 4.  This
is the flow rate commonly used for individual runner calculations, and
would correspond with the 60 m/s number I gave.  If you would like to
calculate the values with your equation you must use 15m/s for your
target flow rate.
	Just FYI, if you calculate intsantaneous flow rate for the intake
event based on intake area and piston velocity you will find the equation
I gave to be close to the average over the 0 to 180 deg interval.  This is
how I checked my work :-)

Jim Boughton
boughton@xxx.net

- ----------
From: 	Allan Hines[SMTP:ahines@xxx.au]
Sent: 	Tuesday, July 22, 1997 1:51 AM
To: 	diy_efi@xxx.edu
Subject: 	Re: Throttle body sizing

James Boughton wrote :

> 	Next, take your cylinder displacement of 500cc/cyl and the rpm
> (I'll use 6000rpm) and calculate the airflow rate for an intake event. 
This 
> should be 
> 
> 	6000rpm x 500cc x 2 / (60sec/min) = 100000 cc/sec

The above formula is incorrect

Assuming 100% volumetric efficiency 

	(6000rpm x 500cc) / ( 2 x 60 ) = 25,000 cc/sec = 25 Litre/sec


Allan Hines

- ----------
> From: James Boughton <boughton@xxx.net>
> To: 'diy_efi@xxx.edu'
> Subject: RE: Throttle body sizing
> Date: Tuesday, 22 July 1997 12:43 PM
> 
> Bruno,
> 	To determine the proper size for an intake system you need to
> know what rpm you intend to run to.  Typically the intake system is sized
> to create a theoretical flow velocity of ~60m/s.  Not perfect, but a good
> starting point.  I would use the area of the throttle body throats minus
the
> area taken up by the throttle shaft (probably ~10mm dia.)  So if you are
> using a 40mm t/b you should have 1257mm^2 area.  If you remove the area
> of a 10mm shaft you should be left with approx. 860mm^2.
> 
> 	Next, take your cylinder displacement of 500cc/cyl and the rpm
> (I'll use 6000rpm) and calculate the airflow rate for an intake event. 
This 
> should be 
> 
> 	6000rpm x 500cc x 2 / (60sec/min) = 100000 cc/sec
> 
> divide 100000cc/s by 8.6cm^2 and you get ~116m/s.  This would be a little
> high which would likely cause power to drop off early.  If you want to
run
> a lower peak power speed then you would have to recalculate accordingly.
> By the way, the mysterious 2 in the equation is because the intake event
only
> gets a half of a rev to occur.
> 
> Also, the value of the area used should be the average intake area and
can be
> made higher by using trumpets (air horns, stacks, whatever!)  that have a
large
> taper.
> 
> All of this also depends on cams, port flow coefficients, and so on. 
When you
> get to the point of tuning for length let me know :-)
> 
> Jim Boughton
> boughton@xxx.net
> 
> ----------
> From: 	Bruno![SMTP:b.marzano@xxx.au]
> Sent: 	Monday, July 21, 1997 10:52 AM
> To: 	diy_efi@xxx.edu
> Subject: 	Throttle body sizing
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have a 2lt twin cam and am considering rigging up a quad throttle efi
> manifold for it. Firstly, I will be using the throttle bodies from
> stromberg carburettors to save the pain of trying to fabricate a tb from
> scratch. I can get these in sizes up to 40mm (i think 1 9/16") at a
> reasonable price. 
> 
> The intake runners which will mount on the head, and hold the tbs, will
be
> made using aluminium tube, the internal diameter of which i can get in
> different sizes quite readily. again, i could get this in 40mm, or
> slightly smaller, or even larger (i think 50mm od & 3mm wall gives 44mm).
> The 44 mm option would be a little silly, as the tb being 40mm would be a
> restriction (compared to the runner). 
> 
> My question is whether 40mm is too large for this type of engine. It 
> currently gives about 130hp, and is my mild-mannered street car. 
> Driveability is my main criterion here.
> 
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> 		Bruno. (b.marzano@xxx.au)
> 
> 	Early to bed, Early to rise
> 	Makes a man or woman miss out on the night life
> 						-Morphine
> 
> 
> 


begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
M>)\^(CH3`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$-@ 0`
M`@````(``@`!!) &`&0!```!````# ````,``# #````"P`/#@`````"`?\/
M`0```&,`````````@2L?I+ZC$!F=;@#=`0]4`@````!D:7E?969I0&-O=6QO
M;6(N96YG+F]H:6\M<W1A=&4N961U`%--5% `9&EY7V5F:4!C;W5L;VUB+F5N
M9RYO:&EO+7-T871E+F5D=0``'@`", $````%````4TU44 `````>``,P`0``
M`",```!D:7E?969I0&-O=6QO;6(N96YG+F]H:6\M<W1A=&4N961U```#`!4,
M`0````,`_@\&````'@`!, $````E````)V1I>5]E9FE 8V]U;&]M8BYE;F<N
M;VAI;RUS=&%T92YE9'4G``````(!"S !````* ```%--5% Z1$E97T5&24!#
M3U5,3TU"+D5.1RY/2$E/+5-4051%+D5$50`#```Y``````L`0#H!`````@'V
M#P$````$`````````]Q-`0B !P`8````25!-+DUI8W)O<V]F="!-86EL+DYO
M=&4`,0@!!( !`!D```!213H@5&AR;W1T;&4@8F]D>2!S:7II;F<`R0@!!8 #
M``X```#-!P<`%@xxx.````S0<'`!8`#P`R`!T``@!1
M`0$)@ $`(0```$$V,S4S,$0V03@P,D0Q,3%!,S$S-#0T-34S-30P,# P`*@&
M`0.0!@!@# ``$@````L`(P```````P`F```````+`"D```````,`-@``````
M0 `Y`(",MJ[9EKP!'@!P``$````9````4D4Z(%1H<F]T=&QE(&)O9'D@<VEZ
M:6YG``````(!<0`!````%@````&\EMFNI=8P-:<"J!'1HQ-$15-4`````!X`
M'@P!````!0```%--5% `````'@`?# $````4````8F]U9VAT;VY 8FEG;F5T
M+FYE= `#``80F]1KJ@,`!Q#)# ``'@`($ $```!E````04Q,04XL5$A%1D]2
M355,05E/55=23U1%25-#3U)214-424993U5704Y45$]#04Q#54Q!5$542$5!
M5D5204=%1DQ/5U)!5$542$%45$A%14Y'24Y%25-54TE.1T%404-/3E-400``
M```"`0D0`0```.$*``#="@``&18``$Q:1G7T)*$S_P`*`0\"%0*H!>L"@P!0
M`O()`@!C: K <V5T,C<&``;#`H,R`\4"`'!R0G$1XG-T96T"@S-W`N0'$P* 
M?0J ",\)V3OQ%@xxx.!N9S$P,Q10"PH44:T+\F,`0!2P;!CQ
M+ J&00&1(%1H92 "$'(D;74+8"!Y"& @=VL#8!/0( 0`( 6A%A!CGP5 !I <
MQ !P!4!T;QV0;0= 8QR1'4%T'" *A6'R=@2086<<,16@!^ @@-<?@Q]P'Z(@
M"?!G"X =4_YU`) 9$"! !4 <L 6@`(#G`9 >L2$B+B <!"#A"H7+(2,?%FD"
M("!)(I$)@,\>@00@'NL@7R!O)^$?J?L+@ &0:R'A)^ ","0C(J# +"!D:79I
M#; <PA$%P&5Q=27T8GD@_BX80"L0!;$<@28`"U LD/TL@30D(P0`*78FX21E
M)37[`W $8&XMD29S'%$IT2LSXRP0`R!R=6XB0 7 )9FK*P$`<&0*A7<(8&PF
MH-D=HW-P`B FH6D?L"&SE#8P+2 O!"!N=0;0VRD1)E!G)]$D(4D>-3/#/&QI
M*B$>X J%'QL@=O\'0 I0!" TPRNL'-(<@!/ \29B(#$U-8(PTBNB"H5=`9!R
M(* %0"#7+AM:2O$[0D9922L0'B4?&"GA]G,>H0!P90A@/ $@YS#2_R'"*>0*
MA2I3+' FT":1)B&;*>4*P&4<L#,1(' $`.\>X .@)^ 5H&,TT"R0'-/[`Q #
M(&8Q$2&T+ 4*A38T_Q[2-? =D!6@xxx.Y$>X2'")];-*/8@-6 >X3$X-6 -L'\B
MX"GA!) Y42X%'6$*A6B_(/$F4!%P!9 J(":@xxx.BTI"H4E"H5*
M!W @0@A@9V@/18$*A0;@4$1 8FEG/R) *I!1T4\,"O0WD#$T\C0"T6DM4Z,,
MT%.C"UG<,38*H!TB'?$M5D<*A]=4^PPP5<9&`V$Z5TY5QA,;PQKS($@B,7-;
M4V!-5% Z82Y 6X% :&,S+A/0;!/ (( MPS 04@(N875=5N]7_2\&8 (P62]:
M.U0Y@xxx.3<[L#HU&M%-<UW?5_U4;V ?6CLK,'DZ
M7PW :5QP,\$#<&(NR2(!+F\N0&\M(X$D`8T)@xxx.U)E
M;& <$!TA=+9L'# &X&0LD "0>B+!YU)/&:]5QDIA!X)0)AT%FCI/##X;M ? 
M>'0K$/,J`RNC8WDWD#$@*1$K,%LT8 M@8Q/@0X)O'C UX# P8V,O=A%%`R'"
MB')P;70W*$DG1K'O.X(U4'>P>,$I10,X? MP?G)!? .1*>QP-4R3=#=S/TUP
M,]))`70W=#QZ)2!X]W>4@<$1X"]Y<#50$;!WX/9M"X!ZD#T[L'HQ=[ =D/]W
MX(+A3PP<$@xxx.1_B4Y0 ;P-= 1P 40@C -
MP?^)8 B0AJ LD&_-&]*"L8%[_WJ0@I&"88'0-5&#4BS!@\CYC5,@3#30%A"$
M+X>'6QC?3PQ63W2@xxx.\G=#>Y:_=216YO;WIT
MH$0?<1^:06(&8M!B=&,4,CHT6#,@4&/&@%E",<%O_QM&=*5ET$N13 &#(3CT
M5<'N<"D1;V%\CG,3LQS#(D"W)I$WYW2@:Y_ !^!W(8+_@9(<TDOB1P(>\#'!
M'M$D(OYY15 ?$2V10EBC=AUQHE+_,S9TH![B1-$GHA^B!; 1P.^GLB#$1<=W
M<7XU4#6!)"%N3ATP14 $D&8=X2L08O)U(Q)G;P1P?K@]$28`_R+1-' IX3:2
M,Z4[@DG#1-+_=W$APA^PFHJR0A]P!""#(7\BH#RF'\=TH$3#*@(#H'7N<"QR
ML@M_0&$!@'EP5<%W0\ "8"R0?ADP,! K(6'^+GJ0!@`>\!XE1,%T-R*E\RW@
MN")T+QOP'-)_11& TTBAG? U-S 07A'@1,+_-I@6$ 1@2**Q570W=W$<L'^X
M$[<$NTE)`9K MS$TPV'J<%7!>"0@xxx.*SQO)$^%O^ 7G4?=B]W/WA/>5]Z;WM_
M_WR/?9]^KW^_@,^!WX+O@_P?SVDK-=*DA (L<C@N-OYCO),TD1S2/4*X`%60
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M<2C*X4UA!* _*P$C@xxx.OO
M[/(#(+'3'7$'0.TPOTN1HA Q( 0@)B$?$&TK`?\T< `@(,0%H(F60+ R\V]0
M]>MQ;LSG5^#EZ8I)AK #_['#,= BPC#2FL 9$,&!FL#_!4 '@*4D3MC/:4_O
MPY*4O[]2)\]IDB^3-HLCGY,A6[23E[#RT')Z(Z!O0!/ _G4-L"J!\>$U\2" 
M:;)=F;>9<5_D&])--(%B2#%B]OXP8W 1X&.WEF1GCY>?::I_F7D;Q9J/FYC#
M1UM@*D)R__] (D"?Z,-')E#W!&+ +5#_'M#!8/O310,:$2-2*V'EH/LBT>6@
M9R(A(N"UT2,P1X'_1Q(4Q1%1\DD!8,NP,^$PT_TJD4;TT.5P+9 /`+"!1J+_
M20'SQ;(=B>!!45CQKNE8\?<U\0&0JY!RKD"K4:I0'Q#_JD) P+WU<&#F(;'2
M%V#SX_VJ8&:WL(E1JK44@"',JH#_RF!-T"X`3;'Q\0`#0F [D;_F(:)2ZD"U
MT:I1NK,H%Q!-^J%N3K!CD#DO59 BW\FAKF'#1T31[3!NM[&APO^)8#:!%\^%
M,ZAE,<0YH=H4_T:BO= QT,9AYC1"8/+@xxx.D;(#8O7"1J%0IO(]][HU
MB0'F(&F)$ $Q(N#D]/]+XRRPQS"X88DA2J'&@xxx."
M*63_1X".P,>Q,6%&H-SQ\$!Q(?\_81JASH(HE(9C*A,/`,O [\W(VL!04=L!
M<_+0I^!,$/\]`NAS]\2%("IWQK"X,15 \" F(#.X,>3 1K$;H._P$.I 4[!=
M,"GY"(5"4[#[3D! H7#FT]@xxx.'[B6#F
MTRCC(/10L8&FH\>3[R]C0D M?\.P39V YJ!((?_FY:6 E<#S4KJSAF&J4*I@
M__?3'F/ZHZR HA#&<@(!H6'_*!%:D,-'Z[$Y<ML!0:2%@<&N43$S,&AP,92&
M8?_E4+.1SI!=(-VP+X'N\H[1]SA!(S%*643EH/ 0M[ P0/^L<E*%)-*J@#I!
MY:'R`/-1]Q+@xxx.U":C7
MD"@xxx.`T_]P[5%W,*J0B+@,8%@Y^6@^^[@PTQ-J)'J0AWA/N+A8/]C\M(P
MB!#K@xxx.4!8)1!W]JQK>!;KV<OBR,M#A#'T%\JL;2(:6^*/G"Z,G&$8BMQ
MUVN%?6N `&Z `````P`0$ `````#`!$0`P```$ `!S! M[B!V):\`4 `"#! 
=M[B!V):\`1X`/0`!````!0```%)%.B `````T> `
`
end

------------------------------

From: Simon Quested <questeds@xxx.nz>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:37:08 +1200
Subject: Link Engine Management

Hi All

> IF I would like more info.  Please post it.  I am sure that ALL on this
> board would be interested.  I wouldn't be here, otherwise.

But this is DIY efi ;-)

It's a modular, expandable system that microprocessor controlled 
features:
rev limiter
boost limiter
cold start control  (automatic once set)
acceleration enrichment control (optimise throrrle response)
closed loop control
192 fuel and ign zones
multi coil applications

if you want more info mail Philip
philip.link_electro@xxx.nz


All the performance shops in Christchurch rave about them a friend of 
mine has one in his nissan turbo and it's helped he power and 
economy.

> Haven't talked to a New Zealander in a long time (since the Vietnam
> "Conflict" days).  Used to see quite a few of you in Thailand.

Reply to questeds@xxx.nz (don't want to fill the list with 
crap)
Well we haven't slid of the end of the earth yet :-)
I was 2 when the conflict finished......
Was there much on the news about the Americas Cup being sledge 
hammered ?  

Cheers 
Simon
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  Simon Quested (E-mail questeds@xxx.nz)
  Computer Technician, Silicon Graphics & Windows NT Support
  Centre for Computing and Biometrics
  LINCOLN UNIVERSITY OF NEW ZEALAND
  Phone (64)(03) 3252811 Ext. 8087
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.lincoln.ac.nz/ccb/techs/simon/default.htm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgmmng
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

------------------------------

From: Simon Quested <questeds@xxx.nz>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:32:06 +1200
Subject: oops

> acceleration enrichment control (optimise throrrle response)

If you didn't guess that should be throttle 

Simon                          
                                                                      
                                                
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  Simon Quested (E-mail questeds@xxx.nz)
  Computer Technician, Silicon Graphics & Windows NT Support
  Centre for Computing and Biometrics
  LINCOLN UNIVERSITY OF NEW ZEALAND
  Phone (64)(03) 3252811 Ext. 8087
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.lincoln.ac.nz/ccb/techs/simon/default.htm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgmmng
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

------------------------------

From: lambs@xxx.au (Stephen Lamb)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:27:44 +1000
Subject: Re: EFI for Motorcycle Application

>Does anyone in this group have information or can someone point me to
>information on EFI for motorcycles.  I some 79 XS1100 Yamaha Specials
>and would be interested in installing EFI if possible.
>Thanks, Mike C, in Columbus, OH.

Similarly, I'd like to fit EFI to my '81 GSX1100.  Probably the 'easiest'
option is to adapt the hardware (TB, TPS, etc.) from an early  80's GPz1100
Kawasaki, but substitute something like David Doddek's KISS controller
system for the stock Kwaka ECU which were renowned for being problematic
anyway (well, here in Oz at least).  Being engines of similar capacity and
output, injector capacity, TB size, etc. should all be in the 'ballpark' -
and the same goes for your XS1100.


Stephen Lamb
Dept. of Defence DSTO, AMRL
506 Lorimer Street
Fishermans Bend  VIC  3207 Australia
Tel: +61 3 9626 7525
Fax: +61 3 9626 7089

IZCC #180

------------------------------

From: Frederic Breitwieser <frederic.breitwieser@xxx.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:41:59 -0400
Subject: Re: eproms via lpt

>Where might I get the demo versions of these products?  I would like to play
>with them a bit.

I searched www.infoseek.com, and found both turbolink and tweeker, both
aimed at V6 Buick eeproms.  However, also in the list, were similar things
for V8.  I just did this a few minutes ago, and didn't see what I had saw
about two months ago when I :thought: I saw it, but I will look again
later.  I didn't dogear the websites... since I am using a V6 unfortunately.
Frederic Breitwieser
Homebrew Automotive Mailing List
Bridgeport, CT 06606
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/4605/index.html
1989 AG Hummer 4-Door
1993 Supercharged Lincoln Continental
2000 Mid-Engine Sports Car <smile>





- ---

------------------------------

From: Mark <moh@xxx.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:31:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Programming language

At 12:52 PM 7/18/97 CDT, you wrote:
>
>--> NOT subject to the frustrations of the VERY regimented structure of 
>--> the other high level languages;  but, much of that structure is
>--> available should you desire it.
>[snip]
>->Just like a mechanic has more than one wrench, a programmer should be
>->able to handle more than one language.  In many cases, the language 
>->itself is secondary to the specific *implementation* of the language, 
> 
>I have used various languages over the years and I have to agree with Dave, 
>it is a matter of best fit for the project than which language is better. I 
>prefer C but will use assembly, basic, etc. if that is a better fit.
>
>Little programming humor 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                            Instructions for
>
>                     "Shooting Yourself in the Foot"
>
>                      in various computer languages
>                         and systems/interfaces
>============================================================================
>C:  You shoot yourself in the foot.
>
>C++:  You accidentally create a dozen instances of yourself and shoot them
>  all in the foot. Providing emergency medical assistance is impossible since
>  you can't tell which are bitwise copies and which are just pointing at
>  others and saying, "That's me, over there."
>
>FORTRAN:  You shoot yourself in each toe, iteratively, until you run out of
>  toes; then you read in the next foot and repeat. If you run out of bullets,
>  you continue anyway because you have no exception-handling routine.
>
>Modula-2: After realizing that you can't acutally accomplish anything in
>  this language, you shoot yourself in the head.
>
>LISP: You shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you
>  shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which youshoot
>  yourself in the appendage which holds...
>
>COBOL:  USEing a COLT 45 HANDGUN, AIM gun at LEG.Foot, THEN place
>  ARM.HAND.FINGER on HANDGUN.TRIGGER and SQUEEZE. THEN return HANGUN to
>  HOLSTER. CHECK whether shoelace needs to be retied.
>
>BASIC:  Shoot yourself in the foot with water pistol. On big systems,
>  continue until entire lower body is waterlogged.
>
>Virtual BASIC:  You'll shoot yourself in the foot, but you'll have so much
>  fun doing it that you won't care.
>
>FORTH:  Foot in yourself shoot.
>
>APL:  You shoot yourself in the foot; then spend all day figuring out how to
>  do it in fewer characters.
>
>Pascal: The compiler won't let you shoot yourself in the foot.
>
>HyperTalk Put the first bullet of the gun into foot left of leg of you.
>  Answer the result.
>
>UNIX: % ls foot.c foot.h foot.o toe.c toe.o %rm *.o rm: .O: No such file or
>  directory % ls %
>
>Paradox:  Not only can you shoot yourself in foot, your users can, too.
>
>Motif:  You spend days writing a UIL description of your foot, the
>  trajectory, the bullet, and the intricate scrollwork on the ivory handles
>  of the gun. When you finally get around to pulling the trigger, the gun
>  jams.
>
>Apple System 7: Double click the gun icon and a window giving a selection
>  for guns, target areas, plus ballon help with medical remedies, and
>  assorted sound effects. Click shoot button and small bomb appears with note
>  "Error of type 1 has occurred."
>
>DOS (all versions): You finally found the gun, but can't locate the file
>  with the foot for the life of you.
>
>  -------- (Additional languages/interfaces found later) ---------
>
>Ada:  If you are dumb enough to actually use this language, the United
>  States Department of Defense will kidnap you, stand you up in front of a
>  firing squad, and tell the soldiers, "Shoot at his feet."
>
>Algol:  You shoot yourself in the foot with a musket. The musket is
>  aesthetically fascinating, and the wound baffles the adolescent medic in
>  the emergency room.
>
>APL (alternate):  You hear a gunshot, and there's a hole in your foot, but
>  you don't remember enough linear algebra to understand what happened.
>
>Assembly: You crash the OS and overwrite the root disk. The system
>  administrator arrives and shoots you in the foot. After a moment of
>  contemplation, the administrator shoots himself in the foot and then hops
>  around the room rabidly shooting at everyone in sight.
>
>DBase:  You squeeze the trigger, but the bullet moves so slowly that by the
>  time your foot feels the pain you've forgotten why you shot yourself
>  anyway.
>
>DBase IV version 1.0:   You pull the trigger, but it turns out that the gun
>  was a poorly-designed grenade and the whole building blows up.
>
>sh, csh, etc.:  You can't remember the syntax for anything, so you spend
>  five hours reading man pages before giving up. You then shoot the computer
>  and switch to C.
>
>Smalltalk:  You spend so much time playing with the graphics and windowing
>  system that your boss shoots you in the foot, takes away your workstation,
>  and makes you develop in COBOL on a character terminal.
>
>PL/I: You consume all available system resources, including all the offline
>  bullets. The DataProcessing&Payroll Department doubles its size, triples
>  its budget, acquires four new mainframes, and drops the original one on
>  your foot.
>
>Prolog: You attempt to shoot yourself in the foot, but the bullet, failing
>  to find its mark, backtracks to the gun which then explodes in your face.
>
>SNOBOL: You grab your foot with your hand, then rewrite your hand to be a
>  bullet. The act of shooting the original foot then changes your hand/bullet
>  into yet another foot (a left foot).
>
>scheme: You shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which
>    you shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which  you
>  shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which  you shoot
>  yourself in the appendage which holds...    ...but none of the other
>  appendages are aware of this happening.
>
>English:  You put your foot in your mouth, then bite it off.
>
>CLIPPER:  You grab a bullet, get ready to insert it in the gun so that you
>  can shoot yourself in the foot, and discover that the gun that the bullet
>  fits has not yet been built, but should be arriving in the mail
>  _REAL_SOON_NOW_.
>
>SQL:  You cut your foot off, send it out to a service bureau and when it
>  returns, it has a hole in it, but will no longer fit the attachment at the
>  end of your leg.

GOD BLESS YOU TERRY FOR A REALLY GOOD LAUGH
IRISH

------------------------------

From: Mark <moh@xxx.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:31:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Programming language

At 12:52 PM 7/18/97 CDT, you wrote:
>
>--> NOT subject to the frustrations of the VERY regimented structure of 
>--> the other high level languages;  but, much of that structure is
>--> available should you desire it.
>[snip]
>->Just like a mechanic has more than one wrench, a programmer should be
>->able to handle more than one language.  In many cases, the language 
>->itself is secondary to the specific *implementation* of the language, 
> 
>I have used various languages over the years and I have to agree with Dave, 
>it is a matter of best fit for the project than which language is better. I 
>prefer C but will use assembly, basic, etc. if that is a better fit.
>
>Little programming humor 
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                            Instructions for
>
>                     "Shooting Yourself in the Foot"
>
>                      in various computer languages
>                         and systems/interfaces
>============================================================================
>C:  You shoot yourself in the foot.
>
>C++:  You accidentally create a dozen instances of yourself and shoot them
>  all in the foot. Providing emergency medical assistance is impossible since
>  you can't tell which are bitwise copies and which are just pointing at
>  others and saying, "That's me, over there."
>
>FORTRAN:  You shoot yourself in each toe, iteratively, until you run out of
>  toes; then you read in the next foot and repeat. If you run out of bullets,
>  you continue anyway because you have no exception-handling routine.
>
>Modula-2: After realizing that you can't acutally accomplish anything in
>  this language, you shoot yourself in the head.
>
>LISP: You shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which you
>  shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which youshoot
>  yourself in the appendage which holds...
>
>COBOL:  USEing a COLT 45 HANDGUN, AIM gun at LEG.Foot, THEN place
>  ARM.HAND.FINGER on HANDGUN.TRIGGER and SQUEEZE. THEN return HANGUN to
>  HOLSTER. CHECK whether shoelace needs to be retied.
>
>BASIC:  Shoot yourself in the foot with water pistol. On big systems,
>  continue until entire lower body is waterlogged.
>
>Virtual BASIC:  You'll shoot yourself in the foot, but you'll have so much
>  fun doing it that you won't care.
>
>FORTH:  Foot in yourself shoot.
>
>APL:  You shoot yourself in the foot; then spend all day figuring out how to
>  do it in fewer characters.
>
>Pascal: The compiler won't let you shoot yourself in the foot.
>
>HyperTalk Put the first bullet of the gun into foot left of leg of you.
>  Answer the result.
>
>UNIX: % ls foot.c foot.h foot.o toe.c toe.o %rm *.o rm: .O: No such file or
>  directory % ls %
>
>Paradox:  Not only can you shoot yourself in foot, your users can, too.
>
>Motif:  You spend days writing a UIL description of your foot, the
>  trajectory, the bullet, and the intricate scrollwork on the ivory handles
>  of the gun. When you finally get around to pulling the trigger, the gun
>  jams.
>
>Apple System 7: Double click the gun icon and a window giving a selection
>  for guns, target areas, plus ballon help with medical remedies, and
>  assorted sound effects. Click shoot button and small bomb appears with note
>  "Error of type 1 has occurred."
>
>DOS (all versions): You finally found the gun, but can't locate the file
>  with the foot for the life of you.
>
>  -------- (Additional languages/interfaces found later) ---------
>
>Ada:  If you are dumb enough to actually use this language, the United
>  States Department of Defense will kidnap you, stand you up in front of a
>  firing squad, and tell the soldiers, "Shoot at his feet."
>
>Algol:  You shoot yourself in the foot with a musket. The musket is
>  aesthetically fascinating, and the wound baffles the adolescent medic in
>  the emergency room.
>
>APL (alternate):  You hear a gunshot, and there's a hole in your foot, but
>  you don't remember enough linear algebra to understand what happened.
>
>Assembly: You crash the OS and overwrite the root disk. The system
>  administrator arrives and shoots you in the foot. After a moment of
>  contemplation, the administrator shoots himself in the foot and then hops
>  around the room rabidly shooting at everyone in sight.
>
>DBase:  You squeeze the trigger, but the bullet moves so slowly that by the
>  time your foot feels the pain you've forgotten why you shot yourself
>  anyway.
>
>DBase IV version 1.0:   You pull the trigger, but it turns out that the gun
>  was a poorly-designed grenade and the whole building blows up.
>
>sh, csh, etc.:  You can't remember the syntax for anything, so you spend
>  five hours reading man pages before giving up. You then shoot the computer
>  and switch to C.
>
>Smalltalk:  You spend so much time playing with the graphics and windowing
>  system that your boss shoots you in the foot, takes away your workstation,
>  and makes you develop in COBOL on a character terminal.
>
>PL/I: You consume all available system resources, including all the offline
>  bullets. The DataProcessing&Payroll Department doubles its size, triples
>  its budget, acquires four new mainframes, and drops the original one on
>  your foot.
>
>Prolog: You attempt to shoot yourself in the foot, but the bullet, failing
>  to find its mark, backtracks to the gun which then explodes in your face.
>
>SNOBOL: You grab your foot with your hand, then rewrite your hand to be a
>  bullet. The act of shooting the original foot then changes your hand/bullet
>  into yet another foot (a left foot).
>
>scheme: You shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which
>    you shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which  you
>  shoot yourself in the appendage which holds the gun with which  you shoot
>  yourself in the appendage which holds...    ...but none of the other
>  appendages are aware of this happening.
>
>English:  You put your foot in your mouth, then bite it off.
>
>CLIPPER:  You grab a bullet, get ready to insert it in the gun so that you
>  can shoot yourself in the foot, and discover that the gun that the bullet
>  fits has not yet been built, but should be arriving in the mail
>  _REAL_SOON_NOW_.
>
>SQL:  You cut your foot off, send it out to a service bureau and when it
>  returns, it has a hole in it, but will no longer fit the attachment at the
>  end of your leg.

GOD BLESS YOU TERRY FOR A REALLY GOOD LAUGH
IRISH>

------------------------------

From: Michael McBroom <bodhi@xxx.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:36:01 -0700
Subject: Re: oops

Simon Quested wrote:
> 
> > acceleration enrichment control (optimise throrrle response)
> 
> If you didn't guess that should be throttle
> 

Another oops?

I tried the email address of the Philip fellow in NZ who does the
stand-alone systems.  His server bounced it back, "user unknown."  Can
you confirm that the address you listed --
philip.link_electro@xxx.nz -- was a good one?

- -- 
Best,

Michael McBroom

'87 745T 123k w/APC (batoutahell!)
'88 765T 154k 
_________________________________________________________________________

Graduate Student, Linguistics                         Author of 
Research Interest: Biological Origins       =McBroom's Camera Bluebook=
of Language                                     http://mcbrooms.com
California State University, Fullerton                        
_________________________________________________________________________

------------------------------

From: Terry Martin <terry_martin@xxx.ca>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 19:53:37 -0700
Subject: neural networks, J1850, ALDL>RS-232

Here's a good ref. to the Intel blurb on J1850 protocol.

http://developer.intel.com/design/intarch/papers/j1850_wp.htm

I also understand that someone besides me was looking for a schematic
for an ALDL>RS-232 interface drawn in TANGO. I have the schematic, and
would post it if my fax (read scanner) wasn't busted, which will be
remedied really damn shortly.

Oh yeah, rumor has it that someone has the source code to read J1850. If
that individual would like to forward it to me, it will become public
domain as a result of my personal research. nudge nudge wink wink

I won't mention the other source other than to say I take full
responsibility for everyone else's abilities. :) BTW, source, if you
have a return policy on you're scanner, take it back.

Terry Martin
terry_martin@xxx.ca

------------------------------

From: Terry Martin <terry_martin@xxx.ca>
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 20:53:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Programming language

Mark wrote:

> >Little programming humor

> GOD BLESS YOU TERRY FOR A REALLY GOOD LAUGH
> IRISH

It really wasn't me, honest, and he left out Borlund's Startup Dephi 2.0
for Windows 95 & Windows NT, "Windows Tech Journal, December 1, 1995,
Delphi is the summation of everything the software development industry
has learned during the first decade of the Windows".

I will, however, confess to pissing myself. Now that's at least EFI
related.

Terry Martin...urp

------------------------------

From: Simon Quested <questeds@xxx.nz>
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 16:25:34 +1200
Subject: Re: oops...Duh!

Hi All

> I tried the email address of the Philip fellow in NZ who does the
> stand-alone systems.  His server bounced it back, "user unknown."  Can
> you confirm that the address you listed --
> philip.link_electro@xxx.nz -- was a good one?

Thats the mail addy he gave me over the phone I'll check it out

Simon

 
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  Simon Quested (E-mail questeds@xxx.nz)
  Computer Technician, Silicon Graphics & Windows NT Support
  Centre for Computing and Biometrics
  LINCOLN UNIVERSITY OF NEW ZEALAND
  Phone (64)(03) 3252811 Ext. 8087
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.lincoln.ac.nz/ccb/techs/simon/default.htm
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
f u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgmmng
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

------------------------------

End of DIY_EFI Digest V2 #247
*****************************

To subscribe to DIY_EFI-Digest, send the command:

    subscribe diy_efi-digest

in the body of a message to "Majordomo@xxx.  

A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to
subscribe to that instead, replace "diy_efi-digest" in the command
 above with "diy_efi".