DIY_EFI Digest Thursday, 24 July 1997 Volume 02 : Number 248 In this issue: Re[2]: Programming language Re: Injector driver board- bosch and siemens injectors test post do not read GM C4 info anyone? Aftermarket stand-alone systems Re: Aftermarket stand-alone systems ALDL>RS-232 interface See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the DIY_EFI or DIY_EFI-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Terry Sare Date: 23 Jul 97 09:07 CDT Subject: Re[2]: Programming language Actually this has been floating around the net for a long time. Somebody from Microsoft sent the basic list around. However, the web has also added these: -------- Microsoft Object "Foot" will be included in the next release. You can upgrade for $500. Windows95 d:\setup ------- as this is not efi, do infoseek for "shoot yourself in the foot" and you will get 638 ref. Later, Terry Sare Mark wrote: > >Little programming humor > GOD BLESS YOU TERRY FOR A REALLY GOOD LAUGH > IRISH It really wasn't me, honest, and he left out Borlund's Startup Dephi 2.0 for Windows 95 & Windows NT, "Windows Tech Journal, December 1, 1995, Delphi is the summation of everything the software development industry has learned during the first decade of the Windows". I will, however, confess to pissing myself. Now that's at least EFI related. Terry Martin...urp ------------------------------ From: Rich Mauruschat Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:42:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Injector driver board- bosch and siemens injectors At 20:45 18/07/97 -0700, you wrote: >Hello all- > >First of all, I want to thank everyone out there for my help with this >project ( the staged injection for a VW golf using a 68HC11F1) without >your help, I would never have tried. > >I tested the injector driver board today. Using a National Semiconductor >LM 1940 voltage regulator and LM1949 injector drivers. I set the timer >to 1.5 ms with a 15k resistor and a .1uf cap. Tried 0.09, .18 and .47 ohm >resistors for the sensing. I tried this with chrysler injectors- two >styles which are bosch and siemens. Bosch are 280155703 12.3 ohm, like >the siemens/deka which is a 4612402. The bosch goes in an early (pre- >production) neon, I can't imagine they changed injectors, but who knows? >The siemens deka comes from a 1995 or 1996 3.3liter grand voyager SE >van. Canadian spec, I think. > >With the 0.47 ohm resistor, i got the 4:1 difference in injector current >from peak to hold for both injectors. I didn't with the 0.18 and 0.09 >ohm resistance. The .18 ohm had about a 2:1 current difference. The >0.09 sense resistor wound up running the injectors saturated. ( I think) >In a discussion with my electronics prof. ( he was helping me) he seemed >to think that a notch in the initial voltage rise was the beginning of >injector motion. By varying the pulse width to the injector, we >determined audibly that the injector didn't open if this point (typically >1.08 to 1.2ms, and about 550 ma) wasn't crossed. We figured that the >opening current for both the injectors was about 550 ma, the Bosch opened >about 0.1 ms faster. Perhaps the pintle is smaller with less inertia? I >don't know. > >At this point without actually observing fluid out of the injectors, we >canot be absolutely sure that the injectors are holding open after the >initial opening surge. By dialing the duty cycle up to 96-99% the >injectors became quiet ( and the scope was showing some high voltages) >below 13% duty cycle at 100.0 Hz ( ~1.3 ms pulse) they were quiet. I can >only assume that they were "holding". > >My question- does anyone have a definitive bench test for injector that >doesnt involve flowing fuel thru the injector? > >Thanks, > >Seth Allen > >(graduating soon (again) and looking for an automotive job) > > Seth, Principally by observing the CURRENT waveform (ie connect a low value resistor in series with the injector and monitor the voltage across this resistor - 0R1 usually works ok), a discontinuity occurs in the current rise slope at the point when the armature starts to move; this is caused by the transient inductance change in the injector as the armature moves. The discontinuity can be quite small and a decent 'scope is required to see it. What may not be obviously clear is the point at which the armature actually starts and stops, it depends how good a trace you can get to be able to spot the precise start and finish of the discontinuity, although the 'hump' itself is usually pretty obvious. This may well be the effect your prof. refers to. Richard ------------------------------ From: Seth Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: test post do not read Testing Having problems with my mail server, I think ------------------------------ From: Chief Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GM C4 info anyone? I have a GM C4 ECM on my Monte SS. Does anybody know a good source of information on how these things work, whether be it a web page or book. I have a service manual but it doesn't explain a lot about advance curves, fuel curves, processing variables, etc. I know this is kind of off the FI subject, but it does have a TPS, O2 sensor, VAC sensor, coolant temp sensor, just a feedback carb with mixture control instead of injectors. Almost there, huh? Please e-mail me directly. Thanks. Ed Hilker aka "Chief" '84 SS w/700-R4 ------------------------------ From: rambo@xxx.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:34:22 -0500 Subject: Aftermarket stand-alone systems Do yourself a favor leave E-motive alone. Ray ------------------------------ From: Tuck Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:26:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Aftermarket stand-alone systems At 05:34 PM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >Do yourself a favor leave E-motive alone. I know I barely post at all, I'm mostly here only as an observer, but does there have to be an argument about electromotive every week? Some people don't like them and think they're arrogant, others think they are highly knowledgeable and just act like it. Either way, their product is generally considered good. Let's just leave it at that instead of going through this crap over and OVER! Flames to the bit bucket. Justin "Tuck" Cordesman SOLID BRASS-> Clear as a Crystal, Sharp as a Knife! Life is a petty thing unless it is moved by the indominatable urge to extend its boundaries. Only in proportion as we are desirous of living more do we really live. -Jos=E9 Ortega y Gasset (1883-1955), Spanish essayist, philosopher. The Dehumanization of Art, "Invitation to Understanding" (1925). ------------------------------ From: Terry Martin Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:15:13 -0700 Subject: ALDL>RS-232 interface This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------406D5A511CCB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I understand someone's been looking for this. 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