DIY_EFI Digest Friday, 19 February 1999 Volume 04 : Number 122 In this issue: Re: 4 cyl engine advice needed Re: 3 wire O2 sensor Re: 3 wire O2 sensor Re: 4 cyl engine advice needed (4A-GE) Re: 4 cyl engine advice needed (4A-GE) I just read it and realized....... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the DIY_EFI or DIY_EFI-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frederic Breitwieser Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:16:22 +0000 Subject: Re: 4 cyl engine advice needed > Trust me, you do NOT want the 2.6 Mitsu. It is a pig from the word go - > severe timing chain/balance shaft problems, along with oil consumption See, I gotta disagree here... had a 81 reliant (college car) that died at 160 with only a head gasket and a timing belt being replaced, aside from the usual maintanence stuff. Noisy, but very reliable! - -- Frederic Breitwieser Bridgeport, CT 06606 http://www.xephic.dynip.com 1993 Superchaged Lincoln Continental 1989 500cid Turbocharged HWMMV 1975 Dodge D200 Club Cab (soon to be twin turbo 440) 2000 Buick GTP (twin turbo V6) ------------------------------ From: Onebil2mny@xxx.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:22:25 EST Subject: Re: 3 wire O2 sensor In a message dated 2/18/1999 9:27:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, ditto@xxx.net writes: << I need to replace the O2 sensor on my Geo Tracker (Suzuki Sidekick). It's about $70 for either OEM or a Bosh unit. Evedeintly that 3 pin GM weather pak connector used on it is gold plated or someting. Does any one know of another vehical that uses the 3 wire type and is less expensive. I don't want to pay another $40 for the connector. Jeff Birt >> I thought the reason the 3 wire was so expensive was because it was heated? Bill K ------------------------------ From: EFISYSTEMS@xxx.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:46:54 EST Subject: Re: 3 wire O2 sensor Hi Jeff, There has to be someone in your area that sells the weatherpack you're in need of.......If you're on the west coast get a price from the dealer at $25. and go to Pep Boys as they will price match anything...the deal is, GM sells AC and Pep Boys sells Bosch,,which is a much better sensor(life wise) than the AC sensor.....but anyway,,,,if you need the weatherpack conn....contact me off-list, if you can't find it at your local parts store, and I'll send you one....cya - -Carl Summers In a message dated 2/18/99 6:27:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, ditto@xxx.net writes: << Subj: 3 wire O2 sensor Date: 2/18/99 6:27:34 PM Pacific Standard Time From: ditto@xxx. Birt) Sender: owner-diy_efi@xxx.edu Reply-to: diy_efi@xxx.edu To: diy_efi@xxx.edu (DYI EFI List) I need to replace the O2 sensor on my Geo Tracker (Suzuki Sidekick). It's about $70 for either OEM or a Bosh unit. Evedeintly that 3 pin GM weather pak connector used on it is gold plated or someting. Does any one know of another vehical that uses the 3 wire type and is less expensive. I don't want to pay another $40 for the connector. Jeff Birt >> ------------------------------ From: "Steve N." Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:53:58 -0600 Subject: Re: 4 cyl engine advice needed (4A-GE) Don't know much about the others but know know a little about the Toyota 4A-GE. You can usually get an engine harness and computer for $500 or so if you shop around, maybe a little more for a real low mileage one. The 87+ 4A-GEs have the engine block from the 4A-GZE which is a much stronger block that will take up to 220+ HP in stock form. You might be able to snag a US spec 4A-GZE for $1000. The best way to do it is get a wrecked or worn out car. If you catch the right people at the right time you can get old Mr2s and Corolla for dirt cheap. $2-3000 headwork etc., can get you close to the 200 HP level, and you can scream to 8500+ reliable rpms. 4A-GE general info: http://www2.msstate.edu/~sgn1/MR2/4age.htm More 4A-GE detailed info: http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1043/4ageengineTABLE.htm How to build a somewhat streetable 220 HP 4A-GE plus more good Toyota engine stuff: http://www.onthenet.com.au/~billzila/carindex.htm Remember, there were many potential engines for the picking when the Atlantic series was looking for a new engine and they went with the 4A-GE, however mostly I think was because the blocks could make the needed HP in close to stock form. The Iron block is good and bad. It lets you get that 240 stock, but the 4A-GE weighs in at 340 lbs. As for the Hondas, I hear they are good too, and are a tad lighter but might not be able to handle too many mods in stock form. It all depends how much you want to mod the engine after you get it, or if you want to have a hot engine stock out of the box. I for one would not want a heavy ford or buick engine in a small kit car if I were to buy one. There seem to be many engine experts will many different backgounds on this list. I would love to make a database of engine and tranny weights. Please let us, or either just me know what you guys know! I don't know how quickly the rest of the list will tire of this non-diyefi thread, but it seems to me that this list while the majority of diyefi, is also 40% turbo and engine related, and most seem to like this. Steve N. AW11 Archive: http://www2.msstate.edu/~sgn1/MR2/mkimr2.htm ------------------------------ From: "Xwiredtva" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:22:40 -0500 Subject: Re: 4 cyl engine advice needed (4A-GE) Don't forget the late 80's Chevy Nova Twin Cam. FWD Configuration but still a 4AGE engine. >Don't know much about the others but know know a little about the Toyota >4A-GE. You can usually get an engine harness and computer for $500 or >so if you shop around, maybe a little more for a real low mileage one. >The 87+ 4A-GEs have the engine block from the 4A-GZE which is a much >stronger block that will take up to 220+ HP in stock form. You might be >able to snag a US spec 4A-GZE for $1000. The best way to do it is get a >wrecked or worn out car. If you catch the right people at the right >time you can get old Mr2s and Corolla for dirt cheap. $2-3000 headwork >etc., can get you close to the 200 HP level, and you can scream to 8500+ >reliable rpms. > >4A-GE general info: >http://www2.msstate.edu/~sgn1/MR2/4age.htm > >More 4A-GE detailed info: >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/1043/4ageengineTABLE.htm > >How to build a somewhat streetable 220 HP 4A-GE plus more good Toyota >engine stuff: >http://www.onthenet.com.au/~billzila/carindex.htm > >Remember, there were many potential engines for the picking when the >Atlantic series was looking for a new engine and they went with the >4A-GE, however mostly I think was because the blocks could make the >needed HP in close to stock form. The Iron block is good and bad. It >lets you get that 240 stock, but the 4A-GE weighs in at 340 lbs. As for >the Hondas, I hear they are good too, and are a tad lighter but might >not be able to handle too many mods in stock form. It all depends how >much you want to mod the engine after you get it, or if you want to have >a hot engine stock out of the box. I for one would not want a heavy >ford or buick engine in a small kit car if I were to buy one. > >There seem to be many engine experts will many different backgounds on >this list. I would love to make a database of engine and tranny >weights. Please let us, or either just me know what you guys know! I >don't know how quickly the rest of the list will tire of this non-diyefi >thread, but it seems to me that this list while the majority of diyefi, >is also 40% turbo and engine related, and most seem to like this. > >Steve N. >AW11 Archive: http://www2.msstate.edu/~sgn1/MR2/mkimr2.htm > ------------------------------ From: EFISYSTEMS@xxx.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 02:57:38 EST Subject: I just read it and realized....... In a message dated 2/18/99 8:50:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, EFISYSTEMS@xxx.com writes: << Subj: Re: 3 wire O2 sensor Date: 2/18/99 8:50:42 PM Pacific Standard Time From: EFISYSTEMS@xxx.com Sender: owner-diy_efi@xxx.edu Reply-to: diy_efi@xxx.edu To: diy_efi@xxx.edu Hi Jeff, There has to be someone in your area that sells the weatherpack you're in need of.......If you're on the west coast get a price from the dealer snip>>>>>>>(for the sensor) at (what should be approx) $25. and go to Pep Boys as they will price match anything...the deal is, GM sells AC and Pep Boys sells Bosch,,which is a much better sensor(life wise) than the AC sensor.....but anyway,,,,if you need the weatherpack conn....contact me off-list, if you can't find it at your local parts store, and I'll send you one....cya -Carl Summers ------------------------------ End of DIY_EFI Digest V4 #122 ***************************** To subscribe to DIY_EFI-Digest, send the command: subscribe diy_efi-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@xxx. 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