DIY_EFI Digest Friday, April 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 241 In this issue: Re: Twin Turbo Chargers For Sale from 3000GT VR-4 RE: Alternative engines Frederic Breitwieser's Intercoolers Re: alternative fuels RE: Alternative engines Re: Frederic's radiator cooled intercooler. Re: Frederic's radiator cooled intercooler. Re: alternative engines See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the DIY_EFI or DIY_EFI-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:56:34 EDT From: ECMnut@xxx.com Subject: Re: Twin Turbo Chargers For Sale from 3000GT VR-4 In a message dated 4/22/99 11:45:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bwiscombe@xxx.com writes: << > I have for sale the two turbos that came on the factory twin turbo 3.0 liter > V-6 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 (the brother to the Dodge Stealth). I only have > the turbos themselves without any other items. These are the TDO4 series > turbochargers by Mitsubishi. ------- >>BIG SNIP<< ----------- Brent, what is the letter designation (ie,TD04c) on the compressor housings? Thanks, Mike V ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:16:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Roger Heflin Subject: RE: Alternative engines On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Kurek, Larry wrote: > > Chrysler came out with a turbine powered car in 1962 or > > 1963... never made > > it into production and the test drivers said it took forever > > to get up to > > highway speed... Once it got up there though, they said it > > would accelerate > > pretty well. > > Huh? How does it accelerate if it has no torque? Maybe they just didn't gear > it correctly. Maybe a CVT type of transmission is needed to keep the rpm up > and multiply the torque accordingly. With electronic controls, it would be > an interesting project...run the turbine at a constant speed, and do all of > the throttle control/etc off the trans...hmmm.. > The problem is that the gearing would need to horribly high to make it work when the car was moving really slow, now if you made it hybrid vehicle (motor/generater set with turbine running the generator) it could probably be made to work, it just may not be cost effective. The M1 tanks use turbins for power, and they are quite loud, but I have been told that they are quieter that the diesels the previous generation used at full bore. I don't know how they made them work in a tank and solved these problems. Roger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:31:52 -0500 From: Tom Sharpe Subject: Frederic Breitwieser's Intercoolers FYI http://www.cartech.net/intercoolers.htm http://www.cartech.net/intercoolercores.htm\ Sharpe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:08:28 -0500 From: Thomas McCabe Subject: Re: alternative fuels Kurt L Anderson wrote: > > Hi, > I'm fairly new to the list and most of the postings are over my head. > With all the talk about propane lately, I figure it's a good time to try > posting about alternative fuels. I'm especially interested in hydrogen, > but that's probably not practical right now, may never be. I have a '60 > Ford Falcon that I'd like to run on a cleaner fuel, with cost as a > serious consideration. If I could convert the original i6 engine to run > on an alternative fuel I'd love to go that route. I'm looking into > swapping in an EFI 2.3L or 5.0L so at least it'll run a lot cleaner on > gasoline. I'm considering converting to compressed natural gas or > propane. I've started reading "Ford Fuel Injection & Electronic Engine > Control" by Charles Probst and it says,"NG[natural gas]-dedicated > vehicles need no gasoline fuel injection system, and much simpler control > for spark and bypass air-idle"(p62). I'm not sure what this means. Has > anyone out there ever converted an older carb. eng. to run on CNG or > propane? How about an EFI eng.? Any other thoughts about anything I've > posted? > Thanks, > Kurt Conversion from gasoline to Propane is not complex. You can even retain the original gasoline carburator in the event you run out of propane. That is what I did on my pickup. One of the major problems with propane or NG, is finding a location to mount a tank. If interested, I can provide a few equipment providers. The two major propane conversion equipment manufacturers is OHG and IMPCO. L8r - -- Thomas McCabe - mccabet@xxx.net '85 D250, 340 on Propane, Auto '89 Lebaron GTC, 2.2L Turbo II, A-555 5 Speed, MPSBEC - 1 of 1033 '90 Dodge Caravan, 2.5L N/A, A-523 5 Speed (Soon to be Turbo) '91 Spirit R/T, 2.2L DOHC 16 Valve T3, A568 5 Speed - 1 of 1208 '96 Dakota SLT Club Cab, Brilliant Blue, 5.2L, Auto, 3.55 SG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:29:42 -0600 From: bearbvd@xxx.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: RE: Alternative engines >On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Kurek, Larry wrote: > >> > Chrysler came out with a turbine powered car in 1962 or >> > 1963... never made >> > it into production and the test drivers said it took forever >> > to get up to >> > highway speed... Once it got up there though, they said it >> > would accelerate >> > pretty well. >> >> Huh? How does it accelerate if it has no torque? Maybe they just didn't gear >> it correctly. Maybe a CVT type of transmission is needed to keep the rpm up >> and multiply the torque accordingly. With electronic controls, it would be >> an interesting project...run the turbine at a constant speed, and do all of >> the throttle control/etc off the trans...hmmm.. >> >The problem is that the gearing would need to horribly high to make it >work when the car was moving really slow, now if you made it hybrid >vehicle (motor/generater set with turbine running the generator) it >could probably be made to work, it just may not be cost effective. > >The M1 tanks use turbins for power, and they are quite loud, but I >have been told that they are quieter that the diesels the previous >generation used at full bore. I don't know how they made them work >in a tank and solved these problems. Hydrostatic transmissions?? (Turbine at constant speed.) Greg > > Roger ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:56:58 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: Frederic's radiator cooled intercooler. Frederic Breitwieser wrote: > > > Next, you'll say ya never been to an aviation museum.. > > I get the giggles thinking of doing a large areo engine with EFI. > > Um, er, never been to an aviation museum either. However, I did visit > Holman Moody's with the guys in Raleigh, and have visited the Intrepid in > NYC several times. > > -- > > Frederic Breitwieser > Bridgeport CT 06606 > > 1993 Supercharged Lincoln Continental > 1989 HWMMV w/turbocharged 500cid Caddy > 1975 Dodge D200 Club Cab soon to have 431 stroker + turbos > 2000 (I hope) Buick GTP (Mid-Engined Sports Car) What?? There's no excuse, Windsor Locks isn't that far away. For a real fun time, go to the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome in Rhinebeck, NY. Along with the antiques in the buildings, there's a show with dogfighting WWI planes (and a very loose script) that's just hilarious. It's really great for a break. Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:01:06 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: Frederic's radiator cooled intercooler. Ken Kelly wrote: > > Everyone should visit Rheinbeck Aerodrome once in there > lives. Real airshows put on with pre WW-I airplanes. I saw > them fly a 1908 plane with a Radial engine. The crankshaft > bolted to the plane. The propellor was attached to the > engine crankcase. The whole engine spun around for cooling!! > Each cylinder had an exhaust pipe about 10" long with no > mufflers. Wildest thing I ever saw or heard. > > Ken Ya.. throttle control was nonexistent on that plane. The pilot had a switch for something like 50%, 75%, and 100% power. The switch shuts off the spark to certain cylinders, and the pilot continually toggles between the three settings. Announcer said "a lot more of these planes went down in flames than went down from enemy fire." Rhinebeck's a great place. Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 01:35:59 EDT From: Tedscj@xxx.com Subject: Re: alternative engines I can tell you that the old 12cyl diesel engines from the M-60 class tanks were A LOT louder than the M1 tanks. Also, I don't know how the tranny in the M1s worked, but from what I understand, there was no shifting involved and I know that the turbine engines sounded like they were increasing RPMs with increases in speed and I don't recall ever hearing one "shift gears" either. Ted http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/tedscj/firstweb.htm ------------------------------ End of DIY_EFI Digest V4 #241 ***************************** To subscribe to DIY_EFI-Digest, send the command: subscribe diy_efi-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@xxx. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace "diy_efi-digest" in the command above with "diy_efi".