DIY_EFI Digest Wednesday, June 2 1999 Volume 04 : Number 327 In this issue: AFR Meter [none] Re: Prowler V6 Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Re: Getting loans.. (WAY off topic) Re: Prowler V6 Re: Injectors Re: Prowler V6 Re: To Todd Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? SUN Scope Re: Diff types Re: Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Re: Prowler V6 Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Re: Diff types RE: Re: Types of differentials/Traction aiding devices LT1 Manifold Part Number? Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Re: LT1 Manifold Part Number? Re: LT1 Manifold Part Number? Re: Prowler V6 Twin O2 sensor question Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Mugen ECU question and ID ? Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Re: Prowler V6 now ESB Re: Prowler V6 Re: Some new, some old BCC Info. Re: Types of differentials/Traction aiding devices Re: Prowler V6 now ESB See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the DIY_EFI or DIY_EFI-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:26:29 +1000 From: "Geffro" Subject: AFR Meter I was told a while ago that AFR meters have a limited lifespan due to the conditions they operate in If this is the case why dont 02 sensors have to be replaced every 250 hrs (or whatever the lifespan of the meters is) Are the 02 sensors just another way of measuring the AFR or not? Co(2)nfused Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:30:09 +1000 From: "Geffro" Subject: [none] Hi folks I've been searching the diy--efi website without much luck Have read prog 101 but i dont understand any of it eg The PROM has tables and some program code. It maps into processor space from 0xd000 to 0xdfff. The ROM appears in the processor space from 0xe000 to 0xffff. Data space in the PROM is from 0x000 to 0x616. Code starts at 0x617 and continues to the end of the PROM, 0xfff. So to learn this where do i go ? I have collected a few proms that I'd like to read. So can you good folk tell me what I need Is a prom reader an emulator and burner?cause i'd like to buy one whatever so i can start to work thiis out Cheers Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:39:04 -0700 From: "Todd....!!" Subject: Re: Prowler V6 Will do Peter, However, reason I tried Sears was cuz I had about $12 of credit with em from a trade in deal(Misplaced/Lost the receipt, they only give credit when that happens) Will try the Depot... Thanks for the reference... LATER! Todd....!! Peter D. Hipson wrote: > > You've got it. Understanding is a wonderful thing, isn't it? BTW, I think > Sears is out of the metric ones, try Home Depot's tool section (Husky). > > At 09:39 AM 6/1/99 -0700, you wrote: > >So, if I understand correctly we'll need a metric magnet in order to > >tell whether our pistons are aluminum or not? > > > >Just checkin.... > > > >LATER! > > > >Todd.... > > > >C. Brooks wrote: > >> > >> You're TOO cruel, SnapOn doesn't carry metric magnets... But Craftsman does > >> :) > >> > >> Charles Brooks > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jim Davies > >> To: diy_efi@xxx.edu> > >> Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 7:37 PM > >> Subject: Re: Prowler V6 > >> > >> > > >> > > >> >On Fri, 28 May 1999, Todd....!! wrote: > >> > > >> >> Anybody in here ever ran FORGED steel pistons? or do most of ya'll only > >> >> run CAST iron pistons? > >> >> > >> >> Just wonderin what kinda answers I'll get from this.... > >> >> > >> >> I run forged hypereutectic myself, but a magnet won't stick to ANY of > >> >> em! > >> >> > >> >> Anyone know why? > >> >> > >> >You have to use a special magnet for these. Try SnapOn... > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > Peter Hipson (founder, NEHOG) > 1995 White NA Hummer Wagon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 07:45:58 -0700 From: "Todd....!!" Subject: Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Jim, I'm now mostly a Mopar man, and have a Dana 60 which has a FULL POSI most of the time, the posi only 'breaks' when doing a slow tight turn... sometimes you can actually hear the clutches 'break'/slip during this procedure... Whereas the Chev type limited slips are only posi's when ya need it, i.e. under high load and such... In comes that GN that was spinnin only ONE tire around the turns (the lighter weighted tire, i.e. inside turn tire) when the boost came in...(He spun out several times due to the need to spin in order to even come close to qualifying for further runs...needless to say, he didn't make the cut) Then ya have the 8 3/4 auburn locker, that has no clutches, just some sorta cone thing... never really looked at one, buddy jsut bought a brand spankin new auburn for his 8 3/4 when he swapped his 4.10's out for 3.23's! it seems to work pretty good, he's only pushin about a stock 383 in his 70 Bee, so there's not much power to tell, ya know... LATER! Todd.... http://www.c-com.net/~atc347/toddlnk.htm Jim Davies wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Todd....!! wrote: > > > I thought all GN's were posi's, this one musta been a limited slip or > > somethin... > > > I'll bite...whats the difference? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:06:49 -0700 From: "Todd....!!" Subject: Re: Getting loans.. (WAY off topic) Well alex, One goal in messing with money is to NOT have to pay ANY interest, at least not on a destructive debt, such as interest on a loan that is used to purchase an item that goes down in value or is merely used up, like an expensive vacation or expensive meal or night out on the town, that's known as DESTRUCTIVE DEBT and should be avoided at all costs... Constructive debt is an entire different story, however. Such as using a loan to purchase an item/items which are increasing in value, such as property or maybe even a stock or mutual fund, if you can get a good enough interest rate.... One way some people look at getting rich, or even just making a little bit of money is to use others people money to make YOU money! This will most likely cost you interest on the borrowed funds... I may recommend ya'll checkin out Russ Whitney's system. I'm in the process right now of checking him and his system's out, he has a LOT of well explained(Down to the penny and individual step) procedures for making a real personal fortune as well as helping distressed people out at the same time! I'll be funding my F.I. and turbo projects with income from rentals and the like... May even talk Dadio into goin into a partnership with me on a lil convenience store that's ready to sell for starting at $15,000 asking price... The GREAT part is that this store is RIGHT in front of Dad's REALLY expensively priced subdivision.... Could sell anything from crystal to Rolex's to King Cobra golf clubs and the like (the subdivision has a REALLY nice 18 hole golf course and club n all) AND, of course, I'll just HAVE to have my Hi-Po parts section of the store for a few Hi-Po knick knacks, like a set or two of Indy heads, Brodix(for the Chev dudes), and Dart heads n the like for the Mush-tang dudes as well... If ya'll can think of some other things that are popular these dayzzz please let me know? Thanks! Todd.... - ---------- xxalexx@xxx.com wrote: > > How would this work with credit cards? > I just got sent some low interest convience checks. > Since I work on call no steady income I have at times > transfered funds around rather quickly, last time I bounced > a few credit card payments and credit card said ok, > to no service charge and extended my payment another > month. > alex > > > I hear that William, > > > > And you are correct as far as the way it works where the money borrowed > > is collateralized by CASH in their bank! > > > > Will let ya know if it works out good or bad or null... > > > > LATER! > > > > Todd.... > > > > -------- > > > > William T Wilson wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 28 May 1999, David A. Cooley wrote: > > > > > > > >So, what's Check Kiting? > > > > > > > > That's where you write a check, buy something get cash back, deposit the > > > > cash in the bank, write another check etc... basically trying to write > > > > checks and deposit the money to stay ahead of all the checks because there > > > > > > The difference is that with check kiting, if they catch you, you will end > > > up without enough money to cover it all. > > > > > > In this little credit-building scheme, even if you stop making payments > > > altogether, nobody is out any money because you put the money up in the > > > first place. > > > > > > > of the loan and puts you in default. the money has to stay there > > > > until the loan is paid off. > > > > > > It does, because you are using the money you borrowed from bank A as the > > > collateral for bank B. No particular dollar actually gets used twice. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:13:52 -0700 From: "Todd....!!" Subject: Re: Prowler V6 Man Bill, You SURE know your sae to Metric conversions! That sounds about right! And seeing as how most of freds rides are American built n all, I'd have to say that he was REALLY only 3/4 serious... LATER! Todd.... - -------- Bill Edgeworth wrote: > > > > > > > Yeah, I was laughing, but I was 3/4 serious too :) Them damn flywheel > > bolts. > > Was that 3/4 serious or 19mm serious??? Think metric!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:12:33 -0700 From: "Todd....!!" Subject: Re: Injectors Hey BobR! Thanks for that link man! A penny saved is a penny earned, right? I dunno about rebuilt injectors though! Are they as reliable and accurate as the new one's? I may have to experience this for myself, especially if the rebuilt injectors are about half the cost of the new one's! Have pulled up the site, looks great... Wonder if they have warranties on their injectors? LATER! Thanks again! Todd.... - --------- rr wrote: > > Try these guys: > > Linder Technical Services (317-487-1868 or www.lindertech.com) > > If I remember correctly, he also sells re-conditioned injectors > at a good price. > > BobR. > > AzDatsun@xxx.com wrote: > > > > Anyone have a reliable source for reasonably priced injectors. I am looking > > for 32-35 lb. per Hr. low impedence type. Any info greatly appreciated. > > > > Lance > > > > New to list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:21:40 -0700 From: "Todd....!!" Subject: Re: Prowler V6 This MUSt be true about the hemisphere's n all... I'v eheard that the toilets flush BACKWARDS in Australia, vs. the US.. Anyone ever experience this personally? Just a wonderinnnnn foooooooooo....... Todd.... - --------- dzorde@xxx.com wrote: > > make sure you get the one suitable for your location, either the northern > hemisphere or the southern hemisphere. > > Dan dzorde@xxx.com > > "Todd....!!" on 02-06-99 12:11:32 AM > > Please respond to diy_efi@xxx.edu > > To: diy_efi@xxx.edu > cc: (bcc: Dan Zorde/Transit/ERG_Group) > > Subject: Re: Prowler V6 > > HAHA, good n Jim... > > I'll try n find that 'special' magnet man! > > Todd.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:09:31 -0700 From: "Todd....!!" Subject: Re: To Todd Hey Fred, Are you usin a 110 Mig welder to weld your patch panels are are ya just leadin em in or just brazin? I'm lookin at getten a lil 110 mig for the house, and am lookin into em right now... Have a few projects I want to do that will require weldin, and I don't wanna keep on borrowin the neighbors... ya know? LATER! Todd.... Frederic Breitwieser wrote: > > > I'm about to 'paint' my jag the same way, if not worse! > > Hopefully better. Next weekend I'll take the time and finish it right, > let it bake in the sun for a week, then clear coat it and I'll have a > decent shine. Friend's body shop offered to clear it for me, so that > makes my life easier. I've cut off all the rust and welded in patch > panels, and a little bondo here and there, maybe 2 oz total on the > truck. At least that I've added. > > > But ANYTHING would make er look better than the sorry peelin job it has > > currently! > > I jsut got sick of the beige paint, and the beige paint peeling. It was > repainted several times without scratching the underlayers or using > primer, but I knew this when I bought it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:24:17 -0700 From: "Todd....!!" Subject: Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Hey C. Does the Dana 60's posi unit fall within any of the four types of rears ya mentioned? And if so, which? it has clutches... whereas the 8 3/4 posi's have either clutches or the cone(non-clutch) type posi... Just wonderinnnnnnnn..... Todd.... - ---------- C. Brooks wrote: > > Hey BUDDY, I happen to like my metric hammer! And I do know the difference > between Open, Limited Slip, Locking, and Torsen Differentials too! > > ;) > > Charles Brooks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Willis > To: diy_efi@xxx.edu> > Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 8:44 PM > Subject: Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? > > > I constantly encounter people (metric hammer users) who > >insist that "Posi" is a technical term for any non-open diff, while > >"limited slip" means an open diff..."limited" meaning it slips until you > >let off the throttle. I am thinking of going to the term "UNlimited slip" > >to help clarify this concept... > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 08:53:59 -0500 From: Don.F.Broadus@xxx.com Subject: SUN Scope I was given a SUN 820 engine tester with a model SS-80 scope. I plan to use the scope with a SUN 404 distributor machine to spin an HEI and bench test a 747. The SS-80 has a bad power transformer (shorted primary) does any one have schematics or repair manuals for SUN automotive test equipment. The SS-80 has a limit of 40KV but I figure a simple voltage divider will extend that. Thanks for any help Don ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:39:53 est From: "Charles Brooks" Subject: Re: Diff types Hmm, maybe I was wrong. I always considered "Limited Slip diff" as the one that leaked just enough oil that when I walked by, one foot would slip out from under me and I'd smack my chin on the trunk lid or the bumper. Charles Brooks - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: William T Wilson Reply-To: diy_efi@xxx.edu Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 04:06:50 -0400 (EDT) >On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, C. Brooks wrote: > Hey BUDDY, I happen to like my metric hammer! And I do know the difference > between Open, Limited Slip, Locking, and Torsen Differentials too! That's right. Open is the kind I have scattered around on my garage floor. Limited Slip is when there isn't very much oil in it. Locking is what happens when an automatic transmission is in park, and Torsen is named after Mr. Norberg Torsen who invented that special kind of mechanism (he was Swedish). This is simple stuff :} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:44:41 -0500 From: steve ravet Subject: Re: Geffro wrote: > > Hi folks > I've been searching the diy--efi website without much luck > Have read prog 101 but i dont understand any of it > eg > > The PROM has tables and some program code. It maps into processor space > from 0xd000 to 0xdfff. The ROM appears in the processor space from 0xe000 to > 0xffff. Data space in the PROM is from 0x000 to 0x616. Code starts at 0x617 > and continues to the end of the PROM, 0xfff. > > So to learn this where do i go ? Well, I hate to say it but read through the archives, searching for programming 101. Also read the tuning tips document which describes how it all works together. And pay attention to what comes across the gmecm list. Also download some of the 747 bins and run them through either promedit or tuna. That way you can actually see some of the tables, see how spark timing varies by load and rpm, etc. > I have collected a few proms that I'd like to read. > So can you good folk > tell me what I need > Is a prom reader an emulator and burner?cause i'd like to buy one A reader/programmer is different from an emulator. You need a reader/programmer, the emulator is nice but not necessary. - --steve > whatever so i can start to work thiis out > Cheers > Geoff - -- Steve Ravet steve.ravet@xxx.com Advanced Risc Machines, Inc. www.arm.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:15:32 -0700 From: ".." Subject: Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Or you could have had fun with one of the earlier "Detroit Lockers" that had a mechanical ratchet mechanism that would make a loud ratcheting noise every time you turned a corner. It made for a car that was a real "head turner" from the pedestrians - loud clanking and ratcheting noises. rap "Todd....!!" wrote: > Jim, > > I'm now mostly a Mopar man, and have a Dana 60 which has a FULL POSI > most of the time, the posi only 'breaks' when doing a slow tight turn... > sometimes you can actually hear the clutches 'break'/slip during this > procedure... > > Whereas the Chev type limited slips are only posi's when ya need it, > i.e. under high load and such... > > In comes that GN that was spinnin only ONE tire around the turns (the > lighter weighted tire, i.e. inside turn tire) when the boost came > in...(He spun out several times due to the need to spin in order to even > come close to qualifying for further runs...needless to say, he didn't > make the cut) > > Then ya have the 8 3/4 auburn locker, that has no clutches, just some > sorta cone thing... never really looked at one, buddy jsut bought a > brand spankin new auburn for his 8 3/4 when he swapped his 4.10's out > for 3.23's! it seems to work pretty good, he's only pushin about a > stock 383 in his 70 Bee, so there's not much power to tell, ya know... > > LATER! > > Todd.... > http://www.c-com.net/~atc347/toddlnk.htm > > Jim Davies wrote: > > > > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Todd....!! wrote: > > > > > I thought all GN's were posi's, this one musta been a limited slip or > > > somethin... > > > > > I'll bite...whats the difference? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:19:21 -0700 From: Bill Edgeworth Subject: Re: Prowler V6 > Man Bill, > > You SURE know your sae to Metric conversions! > > That sounds about right! > I've been working on European built plastics machinery for many years, all metric. a lot of the metric stuff Snap-On does not even make (try buying a 65 mm wrench from Snap-On) have to buy German stuff (they don't make theirs out of unobtanium) > And seeing as how most of freds rides are American built n all, I'd have > to say that he was REALLY only 3/4 serious... > > A lot of newer american cars are now using a mix of metric and standard in their cars. Oddly though these sizes seem different than what standards are in the rest of the world. For instance most european hex head fasteners have head sizes 10,13,17,19,22,24,27mm not sizes like 15 mm and 18 mm Anybody know why? are these maybe JIS (Japanese) as opposed to DIN (German) standards? Or did the american auto manufacturers buy stock in the tool companies? Bill Edgeworth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:15:37 -0400 From: "SPECTRO COATING CORP." Subject: Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? > >Does the Dana 60's posi unit fall within any of the four types of rears >ya mentioned? And if so, which? it has clutches... whereas the 8 3/4 >posi's have either clutches or the cone(non-clutch) type posi... > Start calling a Chrysler limited slip rear a "Sure Grip" or the Mopar guys are going to have a cow.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:34:13 -0400 From: "SPECTRO COATING CORP." Subject: Re: Diff types Actually - Torsen was the manufacturer - Bob (I think that's his first name) Gleason invented that differential design. Zexel was the manufacturer last i knew. Just my $.02 worth - Jason > >That's right. Open is the kind I have scattered around on my garage >floor. Limited Slip is when there isn't very much oil in it. Locking is >what happens when an automatic transmission is in park, and Torsen is >named after Mr. Norberg Torsen who invented that special kind of mechanism >(he was Swedish). > >This is simple stuff :} > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:19:06 -0500 From: Don.F.Broadus@xxx.com Subject: RE: I have tried to down load the 747 Bins into promedit but had zero luck. Is there a procedure to copy a bin then load it into promedit ? I do not have any experience with these programs. Thanks for your help > -----Original Message----- > From: steve ravet [SMTP:Steve.Ravet@xxx.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 9:45 AM > To: diy_efi@xxx.edu > Subject: Re: > > > > Geffro wrote: > > > > Hi folks > > I've been searching the diy--efi website without much luck > > Have read prog 101 but i dont understand any of it > > eg > > > > The PROM has tables and some program code. It maps into processor space > > from 0xd000 to 0xdfff. The ROM appears in the processor space from > 0xe000 to > > 0xffff. Data space in the PROM is from 0x000 to 0x616. Code starts at > 0x617 > > and continues to the end of the PROM, 0xfff. > > > > So to learn this where do i go ? > > Well, I hate to say it but read through the archives, searching for > programming 101. Also read the tuning tips document which describes how > it all works together. And pay attention to what comes across the gmecm > list. > > Also download some of the 747 bins and run them through either promedit > or tuna. That way you can actually see some of the tables, see how > spark timing varies by load and rpm, etc. > > > I have collected a few proms that I'd like to read. > > So can you good folk > > tell me what I need > > Is a prom reader an emulator and burner?cause i'd like to buy one > > A reader/programmer is different from an emulator. You need a > reader/programmer, the emulator is nice but not necessary. > > --steve > > > whatever so i can start to work thiis out > > Cheers > > Geoff > > -- > Steve Ravet > steve.ravet@xxx.com > Advanced Risc Machines, Inc. > www.arm.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:46:24 est From: "Charles Brooks" Subject: Re: Types of differentials/Traction aiding devices Please understand this is not meant as a sarcastic reply! The type of posi is NOT dictated by the type of rear it's in or made for. There are limited slip, Torsen and locking differentials made for the Dana 60. If you want to know what type of unit is in the rear you'll have to actually look at it. Charles Brooks - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Todd....!!" Reply-To: diy_efi@xxx.edu Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 08:24:17 -0700 >Hey C. Does the Dana 60's posi unit fall within any of the four types of rears ya mentioned? And if so, which? it has clutches... whereas the 8 3/4 posi's have either clutches or the cone(non-clutch) type posi... Just wonderinnnnnnnn..... Todd.... - ---------- C. Brooks wrote: > > Hey BUDDY, I happen to like my metric hammer! And I do know the difference > between Open, Limited Slip, Locking, and Torsen Differentials too! > > ;) > > Charles Brooks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:53:18 PDT From: "David Sagers" Subject: LT1 Manifold Part Number? I have an LT1 intake manifold with the casting number 10108630, anyone know how to get a part number from the casting number, or how to tell if this is a Vette or F-Body part? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:57:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Squash Subject: Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? I have a mechanical locker (lock-right) in my truck... Squeals going around corners under any power... Andy - --- ".." wrote: > Or you could have had fun with one of the earlier > "Detroit Lockers" that had > a mechanical ratchet mechanism that would make a > loud ratcheting noise every > time you turned a corner. It made for a car that was > a real "head turner" > from the pedestrians - loud clanking and ratcheting > noises. > rap > > "Todd....!!" wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I'm now mostly a Mopar man, and have a Dana 60 > which has a FULL POSI > > most of the time, the posi only 'breaks' when > doing a slow tight turn... > > sometimes you can actually hear the clutches > 'break'/slip during this > > procedure... > > > > Whereas the Chev type limited slips are only > posi's when ya need it, > > i.e. under high load and such... > > > > In comes that GN that was spinnin only ONE tire > around the turns (the > > lighter weighted tire, i.e. inside turn tire) when > the boost came > > in...(He spun out several times due to the need to > spin in order to even > > come close to qualifying for further > runs...needless to say, he didn't > > make the cut) > > > > Then ya have the 8 3/4 auburn locker, that has no > clutches, just some > > sorta cone thing... never really looked at one, > buddy jsut bought a > > brand spankin new auburn for his 8 3/4 when he > swapped his 4.10's out > > for 3.23's! it seems to work pretty good, he's > only pushin about a > > stock 383 in his 70 Bee, so there's not much power > to tell, ya know... > > > > LATER! > > > > Todd.... > > http://www.c-com.net/~atc347/toddlnk.htm > > > > Jim Davies wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Todd....!! wrote: > > > > > > > I thought all GN's were posi's, this one musta > been a limited slip or > > > > somethin... > > > > > > > I'll bite...whats the difference? > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @xxx.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:34:41 -0700 From: gervais@xxx.com (Joe Gervais) Subject: Re: LT1 Manifold Part Number? On Jun 2, 10:53am, David Sagers wrote: > Subject: LT1 Manifold Part Number? > I have an LT1 intake manifold with the casting number 10108630, anyone know > how to get a part number from the casting number, or how to tell if this is > a Vette or F-Body part? Do you have just the bare manifold, or also the fuel rails? The manifolds are identical, the difference is whether the fuel rails have the fuel line connection on the left (f-body) or right (vette). There was also a difference in 95 I believe, when the fuel rail started crossing on the front of the manifold. Earlier manifolds didn't have the fuel connection crossing the top of the manifold several inches behind the throttle body. Joe - -- _________________________________________________________________________ Joe Gervais gervais@xxx.com Product Line Manager (650) 933-7479 voice High Performance Networking (650) 932-7479 fax SGI www.sgi.com 1600 Amphitheater Parkway, Mail Stop 855, Mountain View, CA 94043 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 13:46:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Roger Heflin Subject: Re: LT1 Manifold Part Number? > > I have an LT1 intake manifold with the casting number 10108630, anyone know > how to get a part number from the casting number, or how to tell if this is > a Vette or F-Body part? > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com B > Well, I think the f-body manifold and the corvette one are the same. Now the question would be is it a 92-93 manifold or a 94-97 manifold. The 92-93 does not have fuel crossover behind the TB, where the 94-97 does. Other than that the manifolds are identical. Roger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:07:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Ford Subject: Re: Prowler V6 Previously, you (Bill Edgeworth) wrote: > > > > > > Man Bill, > > > > You SURE know your sae to Metric conversions! > > > > That sounds about right! > > > > I've been working on European built plastics machinery for many years, all > metric. a lot of the metric stuff Snap-On does not even make (try buying a 65 > mm wrench from Snap-On) have to buy German stuff (they don't make theirs out > of unobtanium) I think I saw one ( in the snapon cat.) years ago > > > And seeing as how most of freds rides are American built n all, I'd have > > to say that he was REALLY only 3/4 serious... > > > > > > A lot of newer american cars are now using a mix of metric and standard in > their cars. Oddly though these sizes seem different than what standards are in > the rest of the world. For instance most european hex head fasteners have head > sizes 10,13,17,19,22,24,27mm not sizes like 15 mm and 18 mm french cars really suck for oddball sizes, most of the Canadian built GMs went to semi metric some time around '80. > Anybody know why? are these maybe JIS (Japanese) as opposed to DIN (German) > standards? > Or did the american auto manufacturers buy stock in the tool companies? I think they wanted all the tools to be supplied by them, not just diagnostic stuff > Bill Edgeworth > - -- Pat Ford email: pford@xxx.com QNX Software Systems, Ltd. WWW: http://www.qnx.com (613) 591-0931 (voice) mail: 175 Terrence Matthews (613) 591-3579 (fax) Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2M 1W8 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:08:36 +0100 From: Chris Wilson Subject: Twin O2 sensor question Hello EFI, I am about to remove the 2 cats from my Supra twin turbo (1994) to alleviate any restriction, but I have a question. Currently, there is an O2 sender just after the 2 turbos join at a common outlet point, then a pre cat, then a bit of plain pipe, with what *appears* to be a second 02 sender, and about 2 feet further back, a second, main cat. Out of curiosity I removed the second 02 sensor, and it appears to be a simple straight stick, about 3 sixteenths inch diameter, where it enters the exhaust stream. Is it an 02 sensor, or some sort of temperature probe? The car is a Jap import, hence Japanese spec, slightly different to US and Europe spec Supras, in that the turbos are smaller, have ceramic turbine wheels, and the air flow is measured by a vane type AFM, but uses a MAP sensor. If I remove both cats, and make up a plain pipe section to replace them, and re fit both (what I assume to be...) 02 sensors, how will the ECU react??? I assume it will be happy, as it seem,s a common enough mod. But why 2 02 sensors in the first place? Thanks, I'd better ask before cutting .... :-) - -- Best Regards, Chris mailto:chris@xxx.uk http://www.formula3.demon.co.uk Performance car sales at http://www.formula3.demon.co.uk/forsale.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 15:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Ford Subject: Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? better yet is an airlocker (ARB), I has a pair in my landrover. push a button and swish everything turns. looks funny as hell if you drop a front wheel in an ice fishing hole, you end up doing wild dougnuts until that wheel pops up and then who knows where you'll stop Previously, you (..) wrote: > Or you could have had fun with one of the earlier "Detroit Lockers" that had > a mechanical ratchet mechanism that would make a loud ratcheting noise every > time you turned a corner. It made for a car that was a real "head turner" > from the pedestrians - loud clanking and ratcheting noises. > rap > > "Todd....!!" wrote: > > > Jim, > > > > I'm now mostly a Mopar man, and have a Dana 60 which has a FULL POSI > > most of the time, the posi only 'breaks' when doing a slow tight turn... > > sometimes you can actually hear the clutches 'break'/slip during this > > procedure... > > > > Whereas the Chev type limited slips are only posi's when ya need it, > > i.e. under high load and such... > > > > In comes that GN that was spinnin only ONE tire around the turns (the > > lighter weighted tire, i.e. inside turn tire) when the boost came > > in...(He spun out several times due to the need to spin in order to even > > come close to qualifying for further runs...needless to say, he didn't > > make the cut) > > > > Then ya have the 8 3/4 auburn locker, that has no clutches, just some > > sorta cone thing... never really looked at one, buddy jsut bought a > > brand spankin new auburn for his 8 3/4 when he swapped his 4.10's out > > for 3.23's! it seems to work pretty good, he's only pushin about a > > stock 383 in his 70 Bee, so there's not much power to tell, ya know... > > > > LATER! > > > > Todd.... > > http://www.c-com.net/~atc347/toddlnk.htm > > > > Jim Davies wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Todd....!! wrote: > > > > > > > I thought all GN's were posi's, this one musta been a limited slip or > > > > somethin... > > > > > > > I'll bite...whats the difference? > - -- Pat Ford email: pford@xxx.com QNX Software Systems, Ltd. WWW: http://www.qnx.com (613) 591-0931 (voice) mail: 175 Terrence Matthews (613) 591-3579 (fax) Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2M 1W8 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:25:12 +0100 From: Chris Wilson Subject: Mugen ECU question and ID ? Hello EFI, I have an ECU from a Mugen Honda Formula 3 engine, of circa 1988 vintage. I am told it is closely based onm an early 80's Honda road car unit, maybe the Accord. There is a single LED that flashes fault codes, and although it is almost certainly in a custome Mugen case, with MIL standard connectors, and a PROM access window, the board may be a standard unit. I have one good one, and one dead one. Could any Honda gurus have a look at 3 pictures of the unit on my web pages, and see if they can ID it? What are the chances of it being repairable? It is totally dead, and flashes a 10 flash fault code, which I believe means no trigger signal. There is in fact a trigger signal, substituting another ECU results in a fully functioning system. Any ideas who / where could fix it? Mugen consider this a dinosaur, and have no interest. It would be worth my while spending a fair amount of money in getting it fixed. Thanks. Pictures are: http://www.formula3.demon.co.uk/mugen1.jpg http://www.formula3.demon.co.uk/mugen2.jpg http://www.formula3.demon.co.uk/mugen3.jpg The battery shown is an AA cell, for size comparison. Thanks for *any* help :-) - -- Best Regards, Chris mailto:chris@xxx.uk http://www.formula3.demon.co.uk Performance car sales at http://www.formula3.demon.co.uk/forsale.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 14:05:00 -0700 From: "Todd....!!" Subject: Re: Turbo'd s.b. chev...in a 69 Camaro? maybe? Is the Dana 60 considered a Sure Grip? Or just a posi? Don't know what to call it, now that I think about it, anybody? LATER! Todd.... - -------- SPECTRO COATING CORP. wrote: > > > > >Does the Dana 60's posi unit fall within any of the four types of rears > >ya mentioned? And if so, which? it has clutches... whereas the 8 3/4 > >posi's have either clutches or the cone(non-clutch) type posi... > > > Start calling a Chrysler limited slip rear a "Sure Grip" or the Mopar guys > are going to have a cow.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:30:11 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: Prowler V6 now ESB Jim Davies wrote: > > On Mon, 31 May 1999, Shannen Durphey wrote: > > > Pre 67, small journal, small block v8 were all forged cranks. > > GM listed, and I have seen both cast and forged ESB cranks. FWIW, GM had > two main block castings, a 283 and 327 type. Some 283s started out as 327 > castings, with the block reliefs for the 3.25 stroke crank. Never seen it, doesn't mean it's not so. Seems like different parts of the country had different "standard parts" in the engines. Fer example, lotsa 4 bolt 350s in MT, not so many in MA. I have a cast 283 crank in my EFI'd 302. It's from a 67 though. Funny stuff in 67, spin on filters, no internal vent canister, no machining for crankcase vent tube, but only on some engines. I don't know what the connection is, except maybe California emissions. I've seen the notched 283 engines. I can identify the source of one as a GMC truck. Sorry, back to EFI... Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:34:13 -0400 From: Frederic Breitwieser Subject: Re: Prowler V6 > And seeing as how most of freds rides are American built n all, I'd have > to say that he was REALLY only 3/4 serious... Are you kidding? The Lincoln uses more metric than SAE!!! The 75 Dodge truck is all SAE of course. - -- Frederic Breitwieser Bridgeport CT 06606 1993 Supercharged Lincoln Continental 1989 HWMMV w/turbocharged 500cid Caddy 1975 Dodge D200 Club Cab soon to have 431 stroker + turbos 2000 (I hope) Buick GTP (Mid-Engined Sports Car) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:39:25 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: Some new, some old BCC Info. eclark@xxx.com wrote: > > On Mon, 31 May 1999, Shannen Durphey wrote: > > > Scott Feaver wrote: > > > > > > Is there a site somewhere that lists this info? > > > > Yes. This site lists info for 93 and newer. There may be something > > for older cars also, but I haven't looked for it. > > http://calid.gm.com/vci/ > > > > I've seen that url passed around the fourth-gen f-body list, but it only > covers reprogrammable PCM's. Doesnt give any info for cars with removable > proms. > > -Eric VCI is the acronym used by GM with their through-the-scantool reprogramming system. Didn't even think to mention it. Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:42:47 -0400 From: Frederic Breitwieser Subject: Re: Types of differentials/Traction aiding devices > The type of posi is NOT dictated by the type of rear it's in or made for. There are limited slip, Torsen and locking differentials made for the Dana 60. If you want to know what type of unit is in the rear you'll have to actually look at it. And this is not a sarcastic response, either :) I'd highly recommend an ARB airlocker for this rear. direct bolt in, easy to control with a pushbutton, and totally open when needed. - -- Frederic Breitwieser Bridgeport CT 06606 1993 Supercharged Lincoln Continental 1989 HWMMV w/turbocharged 500cid Caddy 1975 Dodge D200 Club Cab soon to have 431 stroker + turbos 2000 (I hope) Buick GTP (Mid-Engined Sports Car) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:45:42 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: Prowler V6 now ESB rr wrote: > > Jim Davies wrote: > > > > On Mon, 31 May 1999, Shannen Durphey wrote: > > > > > Pre 67, small journal, small block v8 were all forged cranks. > > > > GM listed, and I have seen both cast and forged ESB cranks. FWIW, GM had > > two main block castings, a 283 and 327 type. Some 283s started out as 327 > > castings, with the block reliefs for the 3.25 stroke crank. > > A 283 in a 327 block had those nice thick cylinder walls to make > lots of power with... > > Never forget the sound of a 287 (30 ovr), at 7500 rpm, yeooooo. > > BobR. > > -- Some of the guys I know would search for the right 283 block so they could run them at +.120. Stock car guys called it a 301, Chevy called it a 302. Shannen ------------------------------ End of DIY_EFI Digest V4 #327 ***************************** To subscribe to DIY_EFI-Digest, send the command: subscribe diy_efi-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@xxx. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace "diy_efi-digest" in the command above with "diy_efi".