DIY_EFI Digest Sunday, June 6 1999 Volume 04 : Number 339 In this issue: Re: Non-diy_efi, dyno help Re: Metric Not! C. Towne Springer Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay Re: Non-diy_efi, dyno help Re: Metric essay No EFI content Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay Re: beginner-how to ID chips? Re: Metric essay Re: 10,000 RPM Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay Re: 10,000 RPM Re: Metric Not! C. Towne Springer Subject: Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay No EFI content Re: Metric essay Newer Generation Oil Burners--Diesels that is-- Re: Metric essay Injector geometry Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay No EFI content Re: Newer Generation Oil Burners--Diesels that is-- Re: Metric essay No EFI content Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay What mfg are GM eproms? Re: Metric Not! C. Towne Springer Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay Re: Metric essay No EFI content See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the DIY_EFI or DIY_EFI-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:09:49 EDT From: AL8001@xxx.com Subject: Re: Non-diy_efi, dyno help In a message dated 99-06-05 11:36:59 EDT, n5xmt@xxx.net writes: >Does the IM 240 dyno use a single roller? >If so, how do they smog the AWD vehicles? My explorers manual states that >for emissions checks, if it must be run on a dyno, a 4wd dyno is required. >=========================================================== > David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT@xxx.net Here is the scoop on the Mustang IM 240 dynos. The unit Bruce P is speaking of was designed for Enviro Test for the never started,now defunct centeralized emission tests in PA. The system is currently used in Ohio but dosn't use the 4 WD system. Full time 4 WD cars are subject to a idle test only. Each station in PA had 2 or more 2 WD units and at least one 4 WD unit. The 2 WD unit has ~ 11" rollers( two per wheel, 4 total) a ~ 35 HP eddy current absorber ( made in Brazil), 4 inertia weights ( three are clutchable) and a variable speed 3 phase motor ( used to calibrate the dyno for friction losses and to provide coast down emission testing). The 4 WD unit had a larger 3 phase motor, 2 90* gearboxes, tractor trailer looking drive shaft with a ~ 5 ft spline and a rear unit that runs on tracks to accommodate different wheelbases. The IM 240 test consists of mimicking a city drive and a highway drive lasting 240 seconds. As far as I know the engine is never subjected to wide open throttle. The inertia weights are engaged before the test is run to simulate "real" road conditions. Mustang is only slightly helpful since the dynos were designed for Enviro Test and the software was written by Enviro Test. How do I know all of this? I was one of the people who bought a couple of dynos when PA dumped the centeralized emissions test. They are currently in storage until I build my new garage. Prior to the auction, Envirotest crippled the systems by removing the gas analysis benches from the stations, removing computers and dumping programs. Harold ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 09:52:41 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Subject: Re: Metric Not! C. Towne Springer Some words come to mind regarding this tome: 1. Xenophobia 2. Technophobia 3. Changophobia Sheez, what more can one say? - -- Peter Gargano ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 16:55:20 -0700 From: "soren" Subject: Re: Metric essay > Aaron Willis wrote: > >And is not hard to relate things to example 1liter of water weighs about 1 kg > > >and it occupies an area 10 cm x 10 cm x 10 cm. > > > > Actually a liter of water weighs EXACTLY one kg...one of the nicer things > > about the metric system. One cc of water weighs one gram, etc... > Sorry to be so picky but: > EXACTLY is a dangerous word. The density of all materials is temperature dependent > gases, liquids and solids. Yes, when talking about standards you must remember to state that it is at STP (20 deg. C, 1 atmosphere). At STP, 1 mL of pure H2O weighs exactly 1 g. Soren Rounds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:51:39 -0400 From: Raymond C Drouillard Subject: Re: Metric essay On Sat, 05 Jun 1999 12:38:34 -0700 Aaron Willis writes: >At 09:55 AM 6/5/99 -0700, you wrote: >. >>And is not hard to relate things to example 1liter of water weighs >about 1 kg >>and it occupies an area 10 cm x 10 cm x 10 cm. > > Actually a liter of water weighs EXACTLY one kg...one of the >nicer things >about the metric system. One cc of water weighs one gram, etc... No, it's not exact. It's just really, really close. I suspect that it is exact at a specific temperature, but I'm not sure. BTW, a pint's a pound the world 'round. English units can be nice on occasion, too. I learned to use the metric system in high school chemestry and physics. Now, I use whichever system is the easiest at the time. This whole discussion is starting to become very similar to the "Newtons" thread in the alt.rocketry newsgroup. At least we don't have a problem here with trolls and massively ignorant people. Ray Drouillard > > > > Aaron Willis > ICQ #27386985 > AOL IM: hemiyota > http://surf.to/garage-te51 Garage TE51 International ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Orin Eman Subject: Re: Metric essay > BTW, a pint's a pound the world 'round. English units can be nice on > occasion, too. I don't think so... US liquid, US dry or British Imperial. All different. Orin. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:26:08 -0600 From: bearbvd@xxx.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: Re: Metric essay >> Aaron Willis wrote: >> >And is not hard to relate things to example 1liter of water weighs about >1 kg >> > >and it occupies an area 10 cm x 10 cm x 10 cm. >> > >> > Actually a liter of water weighs EXACTLY one kg...one of the >nicer things >> > about the metric system. One cc of water weighs one gram, etc... > >> Sorry to be so picky but: >> EXACTLY is a dangerous word. The density of all materials is temperature >dependent >> gases, liquids and solids. > > Yes, when talking about standards you must remember to state that it is at >STP (20 deg. C, 1 atmosphere). At STP, 1 mL of pure H2O weighs exactly 1 >g. BUT--isn't 1 gram the weight of a cubic centimeter of pure H2O at the temperature _OF _ITS_MAXIMUM_DENSITY_?? (4° C??)??? (Thus making a liter _NOT_ QUITE_ the same volume as a cubic decimeter!! But I think one of these definitions may have changed recently too---how droll!! (Another droll one from the trolls at ISO!??!!) :-) I am not the least bit xenophobic or changeophobic--I just think that a system of weights and measures should be a constant, not a continuing work! Greg > >Soren Rounds > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:27:47 -0400 From: David Piper Subject: Re: Non-diy_efi, dyno help Check w/ Mustang Dyno in Twinsburg, OH TurboDave >My question is this can the eddy current unit from this dyno be used to make >a motor dyno? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:35:11 -0400 From: "Bruce Plecan" Subject: Re: Metric essay No EFI content The only winners in going metric are the large manufacturering companies like Honda, Toyo, etc, since then they could use one standard for all their plants. For the metric advocates, when you learn Chinese come on back and try to sell that also, since the majority of the world speaks that. Grumpy, Doc, Sneezy, and the whole dam CSH, HQ staff ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 18:53:54 -0700 From: bg Subject: Re: Metric essay Greg Hermann wrote: > Now--let's try extending that survey to see what percentage of NEA members > don't know the answer! > > Greg > After reading the stats on the number of School Teachers that flunked the state test in an eastern state (Massachusetts??) I would really be afraid to try that one!! rap ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:08:08 -0400 From: brucep@xxx.net Subject: Re: Metric essay > >> BTW, a pint's a pound the world 'round. English units can be nice on >> occasion, too. > >I don't think so... > >US liquid, US dry or British Imperial. All different. > All I know is a "pint" of English beer will sure kick your butt alot faster than an "pint" of US beer hehehehe!! Been there done that . . . Bruce PS thanks to all for the Dyno info still negotiating on prices . . . There are those that have, and those that will . . . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:34:23 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: beginner-how to ID chips? greg kring wrote: > > Just learning about chip programming. Got all the hardware, all the > software, just need the knowledge. Trying to just play around by copying > files from one chip to another. How do I identify a EPROM to use the > correct programming algorythms? So far I am playing with used OEM > general motors stuff from the 1227748 ECM. All the chips are marked > Delco along with bunch of numbers. Where do I go from here? > greg So far, the chips I've seen have a number that corresponds to a choice in my burner's software. I think I've been lucky. Look for a 2732, or 2732A on those chips. Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:41:44 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: Metric essay Raymond C Drouillard wrote: > > > BTW, a pint's a pound the world 'round. English units can be nice on > occasion, too. > At current exchange rates, a local pint's actually 1.7123 pounds. ; ) Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:44:13 -0400 From: Frederic Breitwieser Subject: Re: 10,000 RPM > The Fords have to be near 9k to produce the power needed for Yates heads. For > Nascar short track cars 7.5k is getting very common on Fords and Chevy . 9k? Thanks for the tidbit Steve, I am sitting in awe !! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:46:04 EDT From: Regnirps@xxx.com Subject: Re: Metric essay In a message dated 6/5/99 6:09:23 AM, c95fsg@xxx.se writes: >On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 Regnirps@xxx.com wrote: >This is really funny. Since when did you use the definition of things >when you are messuring. If I'm out on a walk I surelly not count the steps >I take..and I can't believe you do either. And the body measurements are >unusable since noone is the same size as another. I guess they were >alright a few hundreds of years ago, but in this modern world they don't >mean a thing as far as precision is concerned. >Being in a machine shop you measure your thumb and start folding a paper >to get the 3/16th of an inch you have to cut the pipe? Give me a break. >You use a ruler, right? I don't get your point. I'm talking about the origins of measurements and their relations to human scale. >And Fahrenheit....even the americans don't know how >it works. Alot of people I have talked to on the internet don't know the >exact Fahrenheit for boiling water...and I don't blame them...there are >not logic whatsoever in the scale. You and they found Fahrenheit confusing because you are making a wrong assumption. Centigrade is based on freezing and boiling of WATER. Fahrenheit is based on extremes as felt by the human body! 100 is HOT and 0 is COLD. Freezing water is no big deal for a woolen clad Northern European, but 0 is uncomfortably cold. >As far as precision goes you are allowed to use like 20.5 degrees, is that >too hard? You think people have trouble knowing 212 is boiling in degrees F but decimal degrees C will be no problem? >And about the kilo. You americans use that all the time. In car adds it >says 200k miles and I can buy it for 30k$. So I guess you know what it >means. Yes, it means either 1000 or 1024 depending on context. >You really have to come up with alot better arguments than this. >I do understand that it is very hard to change, and that it is expensive. >But don't start with this human body crap it is just ridiculous. I'm not arguing, just saying I don't want to pay for something I already have. >The metric system is by far the most logic and easy to use system. >Just my opinion. I have no problem with it, I use CGS/MKS in physics and engineering all the time. But why should I use it to buy pickles? BTW, how big is a child's milk glass in metric? Charlie Springer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:55:24 EDT From: Regnirps@xxx.com Subject: Re: Metric essay In a message dated 6/5/99 3:11:08 PM, darkmonahue@xxx.com writes: >At 09:55 AM 6/5/99 -0700, you wrote: >>And is not hard to relate things to example 1liter of water weighs about 1 kg >>and it occupies an area 10 cm x 10 cm x 10 cm. > Actually a liter of water weighs EXACTLY one kg...one of the nicer things >about the metric system. One cc of water weighs one gram, etc... > Aaron Willis Depends on temperature and pressure. Charlie Springer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:56:57 -0400 From: "Bruce Plecan" Subject: Re: 10,000 RPM If ya see any with a #24, or #2 (upside down), send me 2 of each . Doc | Bruce: | Going to Nascar race in Michigan this next weekend need a Nascar CSH ? | Steve | Bruce Plecan wrote: | > Well, the name says Stock Car , just being silly here.. | > Saw one of Mark Martin's engines, some time ago, was like looking at a Rolex | > in a sea of Seikos. Really nice attention to detail. | > Grumpy | > | > Maybe a couple years ago. Some of the incar footage has shown over 9K | > in | > | > race conditions, and I'd wager, that in qualifing, they are close if not | > at | > | > 10K. | > | > Grumpy | > | Yes, I have seen this too. I was just trying to make the point that if | > this is | > | the limit for a 30 thousand dollar engine do people actually think a | > production | > | engine can do the same thing? | > | To my knowledge the 2 highest revving factory V8's were the chev 302 | > produced | > | in the 69 Z-28 and the Ford Boss 302 Mustang (somebody correct me If I am | > | wrong) | > | And there was no way that Either could hit 10k without valve float (long | > before | > | 10k) or breaking something. | > | Bill Edgeworth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:04:31 EDT From: Regnirps@xxx.com Subject: Re: Metric Not! C. Towne Springer In a message dated 6/5/99 6:46:28 PM, peter@xxx.au writes: >Some words come to mind regarding this tome: > > 1. Xenophobia > 2. Technophobia > 3. Changophobia > >Sheez, what more can one say? > >-- >Peter Gargano And history doesn't come to mind? So, what do you call it when you pay for something you already have? Re-tooling the most productive economy on the Earth is a GOOD idea? I so far avoided the fact that certain body organs sound a lot bigger in centimeters, but I think this is a major factor for the European Union's "members". Charlie Springer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 23:16:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ken mayer Subject: Subject: Re: Metric essay > Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 12:38:34 -0700 > From: Aaron Willis > > At 09:55 AM 6/5/99 -0700, you wrote: > . > >And is not hard to relate things to example 1liter of water weighs about 1 kg > >and it occupies an area 10 cm x 10 cm x 10 cm. > > Actually a liter of water weighs EXACTLY one kg...one of the > nicer things about the metric system. One cc of water weighs one > gram, etc... Well, almost. The density of water varies with temperature, so the mass of one liter of water will vary with temperature. 1 liter = 1 kg only holds at standard temperature and pressure. Ken :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:22:30 -0600 From: "Programmer" Subject: Re: Metric essay No EFI content It's interesting that everyone thinks "Metric" is Metric--there are differences between Japanese "Metric" and European "Metric"--variances in thread pitch, etc...a real problem. Lyndon IPTECH - -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Plecan To: diy_efi@xxx.edu> Date: Saturday, June 05, 1999 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Metric essay No EFI content >The only winners in going metric are the large manufacturering companies >like Honda, Toyo, etc, since then they could use one standard for all their >plants. > >For the metric advocates, when you learn Chinese come on back and try to >sell that also, since the majority of the world speaks that. > >Grumpy, Doc, Sneezy, and the whole dam CSH, HQ staff > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:36:25 -0400 From: "Clare Snyder" Subject: Re: Metric essay > > I have dealt with at least four utterly different versions of the "metric > system" since high school. Remember "mks" and cgs" ??? A system of units > should be a constant--mostly in the interests of quality control and clear, > uncluttered technical thinking. I prefer the American-English system > because it has been very constant for quite some time. Oh? How many ounces to a quart (40 or 32 us), or to a gallon (128 or 160 us)? Is a quart larger or smaller than a litre? Depends which side of the border you are on - because the british and american systems do not agree. The yankee quart is less than a liter, while the british, or crown quart is more than a liter. The American gallon is only 4/5 of a British or Canadian gallon ( officially the "canadian" gallon no longer exists). Also we have nautical miles, statute miles, and british nautical miles. In feet we haveregular feet at30.48cm, us survey feet at 30.48006 cm, (12 inches and 12.000024inches). Historically the foot has varied considerably - 12.44 (athena), 12.36 (aegina), 12.52 (miletus), 12.64 (olympia), 11.66 (rome), 13.19 (england and old north), 12.79 (france) and 13.17 (moscow). There are also at least two ounces used for measure of mass, as well as the fluid ounce, a measure of volume. In the US you have two different pints - dry and fluid, and the british pint is different again (550.61cc, 473.176cc, and 568.261cc respectively) Go to barrels, and you have us dry, us liquid, and us oil, as well as british. There are at least 3 BTUs. There are two different chains used in the british/american system, and the cubit has had at least nine different sizes over the years. There are at least 3 differend dimensions for a league as well. In comparison, the meter, and all of it's derivatives, have only one dimensional definition, and the gram and all of it's derivatives likewise. Every british/american conversion requires a different factor - 16 oz to the pound, 12 inches to the foot, 660 feet to the furlong, 2000 lb per ton, ad infinitum. The metric system converts by adding or moving zeros - can't get much simpler. As for ISO etc standards, thread forms and standards are all over the map with the "british" as well. You have unf, unc, np, bsf, bsw, tapered and straight pipe, etc etc. I had to make the adjustment, then work with both systems both in Canada and Zambia. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 00:52:38 -0700 From: "Michael Selig" Subject: Newer Generation Oil Burners--Diesels that is-- There was a recent article in Road and Track about a new Diesel made by BMW. It is a 3.9 liter V8 twin turbo diesel used in the 740d. It produces 235 hp at 4 K with 433 ft/lb of torque at 1750 rpm. It is coupled to an auto and can propel it to 150 mph with much lower fuel consumption. It is a 4 valve/ cylinder with the injector smack in the middle of the bore to allow for slower and later combustion. The injector is powered by a pump which develops 20 k psi and creates a swirling atomized mist in the combustion chamber.. Sounds interesting to me.. Michael Selig Always looking for a smaller, lighter, more powerful powerplant.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:00:35 -0700 From: Aaron Willis Subject: Re: Metric essay At 03:28 PM 6/5/99 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry to be so picky but: >EXACTLY is a dangerous word. The density of all materials is temperature dependent >gases, liquids and solids. > Bill, you are EXACTLY right, and I *should* have included this as a disclaimer. "Exactly" falls into the same category as "always", "never", "all" and "no" - i.e., words I shouldn't use, but do because they are usually close enough for the work i do. And you're right...under only theoretically perfect conditions would I have been correct! Are those CSHs one-size fits all (er, most), or do i need to specify a size? Aaron Willis ICQ #27386985 AOL IM: hemiyota http://surf.to/garage-te51 Garage TE51 International ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:03:38 -0700 From: Bill Edgeworth Subject: Injector geometry I am ready to poke some holes for injectors in my mopar 440 tunnel ram. My question is it appears that I will not be able position the injectors to point directly at the back of the intake valve. How important is this? The injectors are 36# Ford Motor sports units. I haven't taken a close look, but there may be enough room to fit the injectors and fuel rails on the back side of the runners ( big block mopars have an open area under the runners and a separate valley pan) However this will make for some difficult machining in a tight spot. Has anyone tried this on a tunnel ram? Should I be that concerned about their placement? Bill Edgeworth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:09:09 -0700 From: Aaron Willis Subject: Re: Metric essay At 08:51 PM 6/5/99 -0400, you wrote: > > >I learned to use the metric system in high school chemestry and physics. >Now, I use whichever system is the easiest at the time. Agreed. When possible, I prefer to draw theoretical objects in Metric but when fabbing in the garage, most things are done in English for convenient fastener sourcing, tape-measuring, etc. > >This whole discussion is starting to become very similar to the "Newtons" >thread in the alt.rocketry newsgroup. At least we don't have a problem >here with trolls and massively ignorant people. > >Ray Drouillard > They haven't noticed me yet...wow...this invisible body paint really was worth the money! Aaron Willis ICQ #27386985 AOL IM: hemiyota http://surf.to/garage-te51 Garage TE51 International ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:20:17 -0700 From: Aaron Willis Subject: Re: Metric essay No EFI content At 09:35 PM 6/5/99 -0400, you wrote: >The only winners in going metric are the large manufacturering companies >like Honda, Toyo, etc, since then they could use one standard for all their >plants. > >For the metric advocates, when you learn Chinese come on back and try to >sell that also, since the majority of the world speaks that. > >Grumpy, Doc, Sneezy, and the whole dam CSH, HQ staff > > I plan to learn Chinese. I'm just not sure what SORT of Chinese to learn!! Everyone in these parts speaks Cantonese, but I guess the official language is Mandarin...is there an ISO standard to guide me? Aaron Willis ICQ #27386985 AOL IM: hemiyota http://surf.to/garage-te51 Garage TE51 International ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 01:45:52 -0400 From: David Cooley Subject: Re: Newer Generation Oil Burners--Diesels that is-- At 12:52 AM 6/6/99 -0700, you wrote: >There was a recent article in Road and Track about a new Diesel made by BMW. >It is a 3.9 liter V8 twin turbo diesel used in the 740d. It produces 235 hp >at 4 K with 433 ft/lb of torque at 1750 rpm. It is coupled to an auto and >can propel it to 150 mph with much lower fuel consumption. > >It is a 4 valve/ cylinder with the injector smack in the middle of the bore >to allow for slower and later combustion. The injector is powered by a pump >which develops 20 k psi and creates a swirling atomized mist in the >combustion chamber.. Sounds like they are copying the proven design of the Cummins ISB 24 valve 6 cyl turbo diesel... =========================================================== David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT@xxx.net Packet: N5XMT@xxx. Member #7068 We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated! =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:51:57 -0700 From: Bill Edgeworth Subject: Re: Metric essay No EFI content Aaron Willis wrote: > > I plan to learn Chinese. I'm just not sure what SORT of Chinese to > learn!! Everyone in these parts speaks Cantonese, but I guess the official > language is Mandarin...is there an ISO standard to guide me? > > Aaron Willis > ICQ #27386985 > AOL IM: hemiyota > http://surf.to/garage-te51 Garage TE51 International Cantonese is spoke mostly in Hong Kong and Canton as for the rest of China the language (dialect) changes about every 30 km (18.64miles, 1491.28 chains or16.19 nautical miles for those of you that don't like metric) The government in China imposed Mandarin as the official language and expected everyone to learn it so that they can communicate with each other. A lot of people in Hong Kong are busy learning Mandarin now due to their new Landlords. I think mandarin is spoke in a few other places also, like Taiwan. Bill Edgeworth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:06:59 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Subject: Re: Metric essay Nothing's a constant! A gallon here used to be 4.5 litres, but I understand a US gallon is only 3.8 litre. Hmm, perhaps that's why GM did the 3800 cc V6 - the "gallon motor"! (note subtle use of cc and litre - nothing's a constant!) Greg Hermann wrote: > I am not the least bit xenophobic or changeophobic--I just think that a > system of weights and measures should be a constant, not a continuing work! - -- Peter Gargano ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:47:40 -0400 From: Raymond C Drouillard Subject: Re: Metric essay Try it with German Doppelbock some time. It looks like coca-cola in your glass. On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:08:08 -0400 brucep@xxx.net writes: >> >>> BTW, a pint's a pound the world 'round. English units can be nice >on >>> occasion, too. >> >>I don't think so... >> >>US liquid, US dry or British Imperial. All different. >> > >All I know is a "pint" of English beer will sure kick your butt alot >faster >than an "pint" of US beer hehehehe!! Been there done that . . . > >Bruce > >PS thanks to all for the Dyno info still negotiating on prices . . . > > There are those that have, and those that will . . . > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:27:53 -0400 From: Raymond C Drouillard Subject: Re: Metric essay On Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Orin Eman writes: > >> BTW, a pint's a pound the world 'round. English units can be nice on >> occasion, too. > >I don't think so... > >US liquid, US dry or British Imperial. All different. > >Orin. The part that you snipped indicates that we're talking about water. A pint of water weighs about a pound. I don't claim that it's exact, but it's useful for making quick calculations in your head. For instance, a five gallon bucket of water will weigh about 40 pounds plus whatever the bucket weighs. If we're talking about an imperial gallon, we just have to remember that it contains ten pints instead of eight pints. Five imperial gallons of water weigh about fifty pounds. If you know what you're doing, and aren't trying to confuse someone, it works fine. Ray Drouillard ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 01:08:03 -0500 From: greg kring Subject: What mfg are GM eproms? Asked this question about how to identigy chips a few days ago. I'll try again with a more specific question. Trying to reprogram eproms from a GM 1227748 (sequential turbo MAF) ECM. I need to know the manufacturer of the chip to set up the device type in my EMP10 programmer. What is it? The programmer doesn't tell my as far as I know. Apparently I'm supposed to know? Sorry, I'm in over my head. The chips are only marked "Delco" along with a bunch of part numbers that mean nothing to me. I can't even get one to read correctly without knowing that info. Any body want to help out a newbie? greg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 16:34:51 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Subject: Re: Metric Not! C. Towne Springer Regnirps@xxx.com wrote: > So, what do you call it when you pay for something you already have? Taxes! > Re-tooling the most productive economy on the Earth is a GOOD idea? I'd suggest a lot of industries re-tool regularly - how much of the US auto industry now uses robots - this is a fairly recent "re-tool"! > I so far avoided the fact that certain body organs sound a lot bigger in > centimeters, ... In Holland some years ago I thought it interesting that the "pondt" (or a similar pronunciation) was a convenient measure meaning half a Kilogram (an imperial pound is of course 450 odd grams). Did anyone know that a "barrel" is 31 and 1/2 gallons (is that imperial or US gallons?) > ... but I think this is a major factor for the European Union's > "members". Don't worry - in 20 years time "six inches" will still mean the same! - -- Peter Gargano ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 03:22:16 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: Metric essay bg wrote: > > Greg Hermann wrote: > > > Now--let's try extending that survey to see what percentage of NEA members > > don't know the answer! > > > > Greg > > > > After reading the stats on the number of School Teachers that flunked the state test > in an eastern state (Massachusetts??) I would really be afraid to try that one!! > rap That story is not as it appears. I have a friend that's a teacher in MA, and there is quite a bit more to the story than the blurbs on the evening news. Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 03:51:47 EDT From: Regnirps@xxx.com Subject: Re: Metric essay In a message dated 6/5/99 11:43:10 PM, claresnyder@xxx.com writes: >Oh? How many ounces to a quart (40 or 32 us), or to a gallon (128 or 160 >us)? Is a quart larger or smaller than a litre? Depends which side of the >border you are on - because the british and american systems do not agree. >The yankee quart is less than a liter, while the british, or crown quart >is more than a liter. The American gallon is only 4/5 of a British or Canadian >gallon ( officially the "canadian" gallon no longer exists). Also we have >nautical miles, statute miles, and british nautical miles. In feet we >haveregular feet at30.48cm, us survey feet at 30.48006 cm, (12 inches and >12.000024inches). Historically the foot has varied considerably - 12.44 >(athena), 12.36 (aegina), 12.52 (miletus), 12.64 (olympia), 11.66 (rome), >13.19 (england and old north), 12.79 (france) and 13.17 (moscow). There >are also at least two ounces used for measure of mass, as well as the fluid >ounce, a measure of volume. In the US you have two different pints - dry >and fluid, and the british pint is different again (550.61cc, 473.176cc, and >568.261cc respectively) Go to barrels, and you have us dry, us liquid, >and us oil, as well as british. There are at least 3 BTUs. There are two >different chains used in the british/american system, and the cubit has >had >at least nine different sizes over the years. There are at least 3 differend >dimensions for a league as well. > >In comparison, the meter, and all of it's derivatives, have only one >dimensional definition, and the gram and all of it's derivatives likewise. > >Every british/american conversion requires a different factor - 16 oz to >the pound, 12 inches to the foot, 660 feet to the furlong, 2000 lb per ton, >ad infinitum. The metric system converts by adding or moving zeros - can't >get much simpler. Great Mother of Pearl! I never realised how awfull it is! Next time you need to figure out how many furlongs per fortnight you can do with a 50 hogshead load let me know and I'll work it out for you. I hate to see people suffer. Charlie Springer ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 03:56:07 EDT From: Regnirps@xxx.com Subject: Re: Metric essay No EFI content In a message dated 6/6/99 12:39:12 AM, darkmonahue@xxx.com writes: > I plan to learn Chinese. I'm just not sure what SORT of Chinese to >learn!! Everyone in these parts speaks Cantonese, but I guess the official >language is Mandarin...is there an ISO standard to guide me? They have not finished scheduling the meetings to decide who to hire to do the training sessions on how to set up the paperwork for starting an ISO qualification team selection process. Charlie Springer (Actually seen it happen. Its like the FAA; they NEVER measure the parts you make, just check that you are leaving the correct paper trail). ------------------------------ End of DIY_EFI Digest V4 #339 ***************************** To subscribe to DIY_EFI-Digest, send the command: subscribe diy_efi-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@xxx. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace "diy_efi-digest" in the command above with "diy_efi".