DIY_EFI Digest Thursday, June 10 1999 Volume 04 : Number 352 In this issue: Re: o2 sensor Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell Re: 61 Corvette TPI conversion Re: 61 Corvette TPI conversion Re: 61 Corvette TPI conversion ECU7 project Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell Re: o2 sensor Re: 61 Corvette TPI conversion Re: speedo converter needed Re: Converting 351C to TBI Re: Edelbrock TBI conversion to PI Re: o2 sensor diy_efi Honda EGO Meter Fwd: Please help Jet Skis--By Voting Against Them in Time's Reader Poll Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell LT1 EEPROM Programming Help Re: Fwd: Please help Jet Skis--By Voting Against Them in Time's Reader Poll Re: Edelbrock TBI conversion to PI Sorry Re: o2 sensor Re: Please help Jet Skis--By Voting Against Them in Time's ReaderPoll Re: diy_efi Honda EGO Meter Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell TOTALLY OFF TOPIC - Re: Fwd: Please help Jet Skis... See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the DIY_EFI or DIY_EFI-Digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:54:31 +0800 From: Goi Sihao Subject: Re: o2 sensor barry, thanks for ur comments, i'll let the engine warm up a bit more next time ... one other quickie, did u get a voltage drop between Ref(hi) and Ref(lo)? i didnt, and i'm really puzzled. like i said, commercial meters from cyndyne and the like dont have a signal ground input ... so i wonder what do they use for Ref(lo)? sihao At 04:18 PM 6/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >Got a 10 segment built & I notice the same thing - when *cold*, you get a >midrange reading till the sensor heats up; maybe a minute or so. Normal >swings after its hot. This is normal performance - doesn't swing back & >forth past stoich point till its fully heated. > >Barry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 04:26:13 PDT From: Brandon Shehan Subject: Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell Since you don't have to worry about Emissions, try Howell's kits. I think they are around 900 bucks. It's all GM parts with the engineering and harness construction done for yout. With a 1970, you don't have to worry about emissions so that should make it cheaper. www.howell-efi.com Good Luck Brandon >From: Full Throttle >Reply-To: diy_efi@xxx.edu >To: DIY_EFI@xxx.edu >Subject: Converting 351C to TBI >Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:58:30 CDT > >Hello everyone. > >Let me introduce myself. My name is Michael Goff and I have been Lurking >for some time. The reason I joined this mailing list is because I want to >retro fit my '70 Torino with fuel Injection. > >Let me first say that I have alot of respect for you guys(I know, brown >noser:), MOST of what is discussed here is at the edge of my ability to >casually follow.( I really do not want to actually LEARN most of what you >guys seem to LOVE to discuss)..heh. > >Anyway, I am rebuilding the engine, and I have purchased an Eldebrock >duel-plane Intake, I will be running Streatable compression, 2V >heads(Aussy), and A 272 comp cam. I have looked at the Holley and Turbo >City setups as 1 possible option. Cost Is a big factor, and I do not want >to go MORE that around $1200-$1500 and I would Prefer alot less, but that >seems to be the retail price of most of the "bolt on" TBI kits. > >I have considered taking a GM TBI from a late 80's-early 90's chevy 350 and >going from there. That is where you guys come in :) > >What do all of you recommend? I am not against something Challenging, as >long as I have good support ...hehe again, you guys. > >Sooooo, lay it on me...I am all ears, er eyes :) > >Mike Goff >aka >Full Throttle > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:38:10 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: 61 Corvette TPI conversion Dan Plaskett wrote: > > Does anyone know if it is possible to simply convert my stock points manual tach drive distributor for use >in a chevy TPI application? If not has anyone ever seen a HEI distributor with a mechanical tach drive? There are ignition systems that use the points as the trigger, but supply a much lower voltage/current signal to them. The points still suffer from any inaccuracies that were present before, and the mechanical advance must be neutralized somehow. There are also optical sensor type conversion kits that I've seen at swap meets. I wonder if MSD makes an electronic dizzy with a tach drive. Other options are to get a faceplate and needle from another vette tach and convert to electronic. Or, I think someone said there's a device available for speedometers that will convert an electrical speed signal to mechanical output (I may be backwards here). Wonder if that will work for a tach drive. Someone who's read the Jags That Run book may have more info on this. Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:39:44 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: 61 Corvette TPI conversion G. Scott Ponton wrote: > > It seems like I have seen a tach drive HEI at some point but can't remember. It's not all that hard to convert the points type though. Pull the shaft out of it and change the upper bushing for one in an HEI. They are the same size just the HEI is slightly longer to make up for the pickup coil height. > I have built a couple of these type convertions. If I can be of any help let me know. > Scott > What's going to drive the tach? Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:43:55 -0400 From: Shannen Durphey Subject: Re: 61 Corvette TPI conversion G. Scott Ponton wrote: > I have built a couple of these type convertions. If I can be of any help let me know. > Scott > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Never mind, was reading your description wrong. To many pronouns to early in the morning. Shannen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:30:12 -0700 From: Al Lipper Subject: ECU7 project Neither have I, but some of the folks in the group have more experience. Anyway, everyone will know exactly what they're getting into before anything happens. Al At 07:33 PM 6/9/99 -0400, you wrote: >i have never been involved in a group order. i have no idea how much it >would cost. could you give me some idea before i commit to anything. > >thanks >Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:28:01 -0700 From: neilaura@xxx.com Subject: Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell At 04:26 AM 6/10/99 PDT, you wrote: >Since you don't have to worry about Emissions, try Howell's kits. I think >they are around 900 bucks. It's all GM parts with the engineering and >harness construction done for yout. With a 1970, you don't have to worry >about emissions so that should make it cheaper. >www.howell-efi.com > 1970 is a bit borderline for exemption. I know California exempts vehicles 25years and older, which makes it 1974. But here in Nevada it's 1967 and earlier. So it depends on what State it's to be registered in. And one final note. If a vehicle was originally fitted with any sort of emmisions control device, it is a Federal offence to remove it. Carries a hideous fine. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:47:42 -0400 From: David Cooley Subject: Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell At 06:28 AM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote: >1970 is a bit borderline for exemption. >I know California exempts vehicles 25years and older, which makes it 1974. >But here in Nevada it's 1967 and earlier. >So it depends on what State it's to be registered in. >And one final note. If a vehicle was originally fitted with any sort of >emmisions control device, it is a Federal offence to remove it. Carries a >hideous fine. Actually, at least in CA, if you do an engine swap, the vehicle must have either the emissions controls for the year of the car, or the year of the engine, whichever is newer. You also are not allowed to put an engine in that wasn't offerred by the factory in that particular chassis. Once the swap is complete you have to go to the smog referee station to get it certified and exempted. =========================================================== David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT@xxx.net Packet: N5XMT@xxx. Member #7068 We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated! =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:59:28 -0400 From: Barry Tisdale Subject: Re: o2 sensor Built this thing several months ago using the LM3914 circuit found on the web somewheres. Only mod I made to it was putting the raw 12-14v power coming in thru a 7809 regulator, thence to the circuitry, w/ a few bypass caps sprinlked here & there - *real* noisy power. Ref lo is ground, ref hi is whatever voltage you set it to w/ the pot; somewhere's around 1v, to get good full scale reading. Also used 10meg input resistor. Only diff between 3 & 4 wire sensors is separate/common grounds for heater & signal. Got mine mounted on steering column, pretty lights flashing back & forth, and actually *useful* - replaced my O2 sensor recently, flash rate was MUCH faster than w/ the old one, so @xxx. Barry At 06:54 PM 6/10/99 +0800, you wrote: >barry, > >thanks for ur comments, i'll let the engine warm up a bit more next time ... > >one other quickie, did u get a voltage drop between Ref(hi) and Ref(lo)? i >didnt, and i'm really puzzled. like i said, commercial meters from cyndyne >and the like dont have a signal ground input ... so i wonder what do they >use for Ref(lo)? > >sihao ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:31:48 -0500 From: Steve Ravet Subject: Re: 61 Corvette TPI conversion I knew I'd seen the answer from when I was on the vettenet. MSD makes one. Try searching altavista for +hei +"tach drive" and you'll find this link: http://www.re-racing.com/msd-distributors.htm#CHEVROLET It's not GM HEI, but it sounds essentially the same. Magnetic pickup, not points. I also seem to remember that there is a company that adds tach drives to HEI distributors. Ask around Corvette specific places or people, they've all ran into this problem. - --steve > Dan Plaskett wrote: > > Does anyone know if it is possible to simply convert my stock points > manual tach drive distributor for use in a chevy TPI application? If > not has anyone ever seen a HEI distributor with a mechanical tach > drive? - -- Steve Ravet sravet@xxx.com Advanced Risc Machines, INC www.arm.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:48:34 -0700 From: Bill Edgeworth Subject: Re: speedo converter needed Peter Gargano wrote: > I don't have one, but.. > > A simple frequency converter, as described below, isn't a simple thing to > do accurately. An easy, all analogue way, is a frequency to voltage to > frequency converter. The bit in the middle could have a "volume" control > to account for gears, tyres, or whatever - perhaps even with switched > variable resistors that need be calibrated just the once. > Things like this seem to work well I built the opposite many years ago. I took an analogue signal put it through an a/d converter the output of the a/d was used to address an eprom. the eprom data was used as input to a d/a. The idea of the circuit was to compensate for non linear transducers in instrumentation. As you can put whatever data you want in the eprom you can make the output anything you want for any given input. However it is not a cheep circuit if you want good resolution. Bill Edgeworth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:04:48 CDT From: Full Throttle Subject: Re: Converting 351C to TBI hehe, never been referred to as "Mr. Throttle" before :) JFYI, My Nickname actually has nothing to do with REAL cars but from my slotcar hobby. I will do this research and check into it. As someone else mentioned, I COULD use multi port by modifying a single-plane intake, is there somewhere I can get more info on that? I really do not mind the research, and I do kinda like the idea of truely DIY. Thanks for the info. Mike Goff >From: Steve Ravet >To: Full Throttle >Subject: Re: Converting 351C to TBI >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:45:03 -0500 > >Mr. Throttle, have a look at the programming 101 project and the tuning >tips document on the diy_efi page. Click on OEM systems, the GM, then >read everything there. progamming 101 is about the GM 1227747 ECM used >on full size trucks and astro vans from 88 to 92 or something like >that. It sounds like just the ticket for you. > >Bear in mind that the money you save by visiting the junkyard will be >"spent" in time figuring it out, wiring it up, editing PROM images, >etc. If you love that kind of stuff (like most people on the list >probably do) great. You'll also have to get some equipment like a PROM >burner and eraser, and learn a vocabulary that includes words like >checksum . With the aftermarket ones you can get right to tuning, >usually with a laptop. Tuning the GM will mean pulling the EPROM out, >changing it, sticking it back in, etc. Not trying to turn you off just >letting you know what's in store. If you do go the GM route, subscribe >to the gmecm list, it's dedicated to all GM ecms. > >good luck, >--steve _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:56:29 -0400 From: WAYNE JOHNSON Subject: Re: Edelbrock TBI conversion to PI On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:14:03 +0000 jweir@xxx.net writes: >I've got a copy of the chip from Edelbrock, Jason, I would like to have a copy of the chip. Send to: DynozTec@xxx. Thanks, Wayne ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:37:01 -0400 From: Frederic Breitwieser Subject: Re: o2 sensor > Got mine mounted on steering column, pretty lights flashing back & forth, and actually *useful* - replaced my O2 sensor recently, flash rate was MUCH faster than w/ the old one, so @xxx. Though you can cascade two, three, or four for more resolution if you must. I'd offer a schematic but its been ages... I think Radio Shack's "Electronics Experimenter" book (orange cover) has a cascaded 3914 schematic in there. - -- Frederic Breitwieser Bridgeport CT 06606 1993 Supercharged Lincoln Continental 1989 HWMMV w/turbocharged 500cid Caddy 1975 Dodge D200 Club Cab soon to have 431 stroker + turbos 2000 (I hope) Buick GTP (Mid-Engined Sports Car) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:04:53 -0600 From: "Kevin Yachimec" Subject: diy_efi Honda EGO Meter I'm new to the group and decided before I start asking too many questions I'd do a search of the diy_efi archives for any information on the Honda EGO Meter project. After spending hours of searching and reading I have a good idea were the project got to. I found a post that was dated April 13,1998 'Re: Return of the diy_EGOmeter (YES, it's finally ALIVE!!)'; that said that a working prototype meter was completed and working. After that date I can find anymore information about the project. I was wondering if anyone had information since that date? I'm thinking that I'd like to build one. The whole operation of these sensors is very interesting with the ion pump and the special circuit that controls the pump. Is there a site that has more information on the operation of these sensors? Thanks in advance. Kevin Yachimec Cybertech Automation Inc. Edmonton Alberta Canada keviny@xxx.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:02:28 EDT From: A70Duster@xxx.com Subject: Fwd: Please help Jet Skis--By Voting Against Them in Time's Reader Poll - --part1_d3019b51.249165c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jet skis have engine too..... - --part1_d3019b51.249165c4_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v59.38) with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:11:01 -0400 Received: from nail.commpro.com (adsl-209-232-186-59.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [209.232.186.59]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id OAA06584; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: Received: from hammer.commpro.com (209.232.186.58) by nail.commpro.com (Worldmail 1.3.167) for underground@xxx.com; 10 Jun 1999 11:06:59 -0700 Received: by HAMMER with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) id ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jetman To: underground@xxx.com Subject: Please help Jet Skis--By Voting Against Them in Time's Reader Pol l Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:07:18 -0700 Return-Receipt-To: Jetman MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1459.74) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In this week's Time Magazine, they have a list of the "100 Worst Ideas of the Century." Along with Prohibition, the Maginot Line, the Dalcon Shield, Spray on Hair and the Red Sox's sale of Babe Ruth to the Yankees - you guessed it - THE JET SKI. The internet site for Time has a page devoted to the list where visitors can vote. And yes, we are THE WORST IDEA OF THE CENTURY SO FAR!!! The Jet Ski has the support as the worst idea of 43.36% of the 2223 voters. The closest other "worst idea" is Prohibition - at only 4.18%. I guess the environmentalist groups got a hold of the survey and e-mailed the site to their membership. Time will probably do something on the worst idea, so it looks like more great press for us (even if there is a disclaimer stating that it is an informal survey for the interest and enjoyment of www.time.com users). Here's what you can do to help: 1--go to www.time.com and vote. 2--We all should vote for one thing (to make it #1 instead of the Jet Ski), and since I am an avid fan of beer, please vote for Prohibition. Time Magazine site is at TIME.com. The exact poll is (or has been) at: http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/time100/worstideas2.html Thanks for caring about our passion to RIDE FREE! Jetman - --part1_d3019b51.249165c4_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:58:44 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" Subject: Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell Federal emission regulations only apply to manufacturers and their dealers. After you own the car, its up to the state you live in. Here in Ohio, it was actually legal to open a shop and advertise "Smog equipment removed here" up to about 15 years ago. Gary Derian > At 06:28 AM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote: > >1970 is a bit borderline for exemption. > >I know California exempts vehicles 25years and older, which makes it 1974. > >But here in Nevada it's 1967 and earlier. > >So it depends on what State it's to be registered in. > >And one final note. If a vehicle was originally fitted with any sort of > >emmisions control device, it is a Federal offence to remove it. Carries a > >hideous fine. > > Actually, at least in CA, if you do an engine swap, the vehicle must have > either the emissions controls for the year of the car, or the year of the > engine, whichever is newer. You also are not allowed to put an engine in > that wasn't offerred by the factory in that particular chassis. > Once the swap is complete you have to go to the smog referee station to get > it certified and exempted. > > =========================================================== > David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT@xxx.net > Packet: N5XMT@xxx. Member #7068 > We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated! > =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:05:04 -0700 From: Aaron Willis Subject: Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell At 09:47 AM 6/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >Actually, at least in CA, if you do an engine swap, the vehicle must have >either the emissions controls for the year of the car, or the year of the >engine, whichever is newer. You also are not allowed to put an engine in >that wasn't offerred by the factory in that particular chassis. >Once the swap is complete you have to go to the smog referee station to get >it certified and exempted. > Last I heard, here in CA, these are the rules: 1) Anything pre-1974 is open to do with what you like. They are not inspected. 2) In 2004, 1974 vehicles will become exempt; in 2005, 1975 vehicles will become exempt; at that point, the state will test only (!) the last 30 years worth of vehicles. 3) Engine changes may only be performed if the engine is as new or newer than the vehicle. 4) No (heavy) truck engines into light trucks or cars. 5) All equipment required on the engine in its original vehicle must be present on the vehicle after the swap. 6) You may swap any newer angine into any car, providong you follow those rules, and the car will be smogged as whatever car the engine came out of. If you simply replace an engine with another that was available in that chassis, it supposedly simplifies things a great deal and reduces your likelyhood of a trip to the referee - apparently the smog tech can handle this on his own without the state taking over. Again, just the best I can remember - no guarantees! Aaron Willis ICQ #27386985 AOL IM: hemiyota http://surf.to/garage-te51 Garage TE51 International ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:19:03 -0700 From: neilaura@xxx.com Subject: Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell At 02:58 PM 6/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >Federal emission regulations only apply to manufacturers and their dealers. >After you own the car, its up to the state you live in. Here in Ohio, it >was actually legal to open a shop and advertise "Smog equipment removed >here" up to about 15 years ago. > I make my living as a Class 2G Nevada smog inspector. A great deal of the licensing exam deals with Federal and State laws regarding emission equipment and EPA requirements. I have never heard of Ohio being any different, but just out of interest I'll check with the emissions lab. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:24:11 -0500 From: "Jeff Bromberger" Subject: LT1 EEPROM Programming Help Hello, I'm new to the list so forgive me if this has been asked before... What are my options to reprogram the EEPROM on my '94 LT1 camaro? I'd like to change values such as fan turn-on temps, timing advance, injector/fuel maps, etc. I don't want to use something like the hypertech programmer, I'd prefer to do it myself. Is the PCM proprietary hardware or is it a commonly available uP like a motorola? any help would be greatly appreciated, Jeff Bromberger bromberger@xxx.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:35:27 -0600 From: bearbvd@xxx.net (Greg Hermann) Subject: Re: Fwd: Please help Jet Skis--By Voting Against Them in Time's Reader Poll >1--go to www.time.com and vote. >2--We all should vote for one thing (to make it #1 instead of the Jet >Ski), and since I am an avid fan of beer, please vote for Prohibition. Do you mean Prohibition of -----alcohol, drugs, gambling, or prostitution??? 8-O Mebbe we could REALLY get their attention!! Hehehehe! Greg > >Time Magazine site is at TIME.com. The exact poll is (or has been) at: >http://cgi.pathfinder.com/time/time100/worstideas2.html > >Thanks for caring about our passion to RIDE FREE! > >Jetman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:29:37 -0400 From: Jason Weir Subject: Re: Edelbrock TBI conversion to PI This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------52E72C5BACA6E4F0BED49B2B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WAYNE JOHNSON wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:14:03 +0000 jweir@xxx.net writes: > >I've got a copy of the chip from Edelbrock, > > Jason, > I would like to have a copy of the chip. > Send to: DynozTec@xxx. > Thanks, > Wayne Here you go Wayne Jason Weir - -- 88 Wrangler - 155K miles and counting 258 I6, 4.0 head, Cherokee header, 2 1/2 exhaust with high flow cat & Flowmaster GM TBI, Crane 260H Cam TJ Fender Flares http://home.att.net/~jweir CNC 4X4 Member - http://cnc.4x4.org/ - --------------52E72C5BACA6E4F0BED49B2B Content-Type: 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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:41:46 -0400 From: Jason Weir Subject: Sorry Sorry about sending that attachment to the group, I forgot and just hit reply Well that way anyone who wants the file can get it. Jason Weir - -- 88 Wrangler - 155K miles and counting 258 I6, 4.0 head, Cherokee header, 2 1/2 exhaust with high flow cat & Flowmaster GM TBI, Crane 260H Cam TJ Fender Flares http://home.att.net/~jweir CNC 4X4 Member - http://cnc.4x4.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:42:44 -0400 From: "Peter D. Hipson" Subject: Re: o2 sensor Why not get one of those cheap digital meters that radio shack has for fine tuning? At 01:37 PM 6/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >> Got mine mounted on steering column, pretty lights flashing back & forth, and actually *useful* - replaced my O2 sensor recently, flash rate was MUCH faster than w/ the old one, so @ least you can tell when its going. No real use for tuning, though, too coarse resolution - need a scan tool to do that well. > >Though you can cascade two, three, or four for more resolution if you >must. I'd offer a schematic but its been ages... I think Radio >Shack's "Electronics Experimenter" book (orange cover) has a cascaded >3914 schematic in there. > >-- > >Frederic Breitwieser >Bridgeport CT 06606 > >1993 Supercharged Lincoln Continental >1989 HWMMV w/turbocharged 500cid Caddy >1975 Dodge D200 Club Cab soon to have 431 stroker + turbos >2000 (I hope) Buick GTP (Mid-Engined Sports Car) > > Thanks, Peter Hipson (founder, NEHOG) 1995 White NA Hummer Wagon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:07:01 EDT From: Regnirps@xxx.com Subject: Re: Please help Jet Skis--By Voting Against Them in Time's ReaderPoll In a message dated 6/10/99 2:43:41 PM, A70Duster@xxx.com writes: >In this week's Time Magazine, they have a list of the "100 Worst Ideasof >the Century." Along with Prohibition, the Maginot Line, the Dalcon >Shield, Spray on Hair and the Red Sox's sale of Babe Ruth to the Yankees - you >guessed it - THE JET SKI. >I guess the environmentalist groups got a hold of the survey and >e-mailed the site to their membership. Time will probably do something on the >worst idea, so it looks like more great press for us (even if there is a >disclaimer stating that it is an informal survey for the interest and >enjoyment of www.time.com users). Environmentalists? Maybe just people who love on the shoreline! A lot of us own our tidelands and/or a 300 foot buffer from the beach. Imagine dirt bikes in your front yard all weekend every weekend all summer. Now personal watercraft, thetas different : ) I salt water flyfish from one of the sit down variety that is stable enough to stand and cast. Its a great way to chase the Sea Lions away (oops, don't tell the Feds). Charlie Springer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:36:00 -0700 From: garfield@xxx.com (Gar Willis) Subject: Re: diy_efi Honda EGO Meter On Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:04:53 -0600, "Kevin Yachimec" wrote: >I'm new to the group and decided before I start asking too many questions >I'd do a search of the diy_efi archives for any information on the Honda EGO >Meter project. After spending hours of searching and reading I have a good >idea were the project got to. > >I found a post that was dated April 13,1998 'Re: Return of the diy_EGOmeter >(YES, it's finally ALIVE!!)'; that said that a working prototype meter was >completed and working. After that date I can find anymore information about >the project. I was wondering if anyone had information since that date? >I'm thinking that I'd like to build one. Well, you said you were gonna read the archives. Too bad you didn't read them all the way to the end. But, all-in-all, you didn't do too badly. The longNshort of the progression was that there was indeed a working prototype completed, AND even tested against an NTK and Horiba box, and was slated to be released freely to anyone who wanted to use it. It was and is called EGOR. But the author of the design (me) stated ONE proviso; that there be NO construction using the design, that was to be sold for profit. That single provision apparently stuck in the craw of some of our illustrious members, all of whom I can see are with us to the present day, in which in one case, one guy said he thot I was being "two-faced", since I had "reverse-engineered the NTK device", a thing that was NO WAY true, and therefore where did I come off setting out rules for EGOR's use. An owner of an NTK box, who's still on list and can vouch for this (right, Frank?), helped me to understand the OUTPUTS that an NTK interface produced under certain start-up and quiescent conditions. But there was NO reverse-engineering, no copying, or even viewing of circuits. The owner of that NTK box did NOT break it's warrranty seal nor look inside AT ALL, on my behalf. That same "you're being two-faced" individual said it was just human nature that some of those who'd see the freely shared design, would make some to sell for profit, anyway. I took this as a direct shot across the bow, that no matter MY restrictions on the use of the design, he and others viewed that as just so much blather, and would damn well do whatever they bloody-well felt like doing, once I released the design. I then received a private email from one of the then (and current) members of DIY, that he indeed intended to make for-profit copies of EGOR, whether I liked it or not! To snap the camel's back, one Buttbert HairAss threatened to write a letter to both Saab and Ohio State Univ., alleging that I was promoting patent breach by investigating the ION stuff. He did this, by his own admission, cuz "he didn't like Gar". Soooo, at that point, lacking any support from other members of the group against this assault, I bailed from the group, set up the present plan whereby the design will remain hidden, and engaged a friendly mfg. company to make and sell commercially, Precision AFR Meters based on the EGOR design. Then I returned as a vendor of said EGOR. End of story. That's where we are at present. Gar Willis AirSIG, Inc. Castle Airport 1210 Propeller Place Atwater, CA 95301 garfield@xxx.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:24:49 -0500 From: Steve Gorkowski Subject: Re: Converting 351C to TBI..Try Howell If you are going to spend $900 look at ecc tuner that is $350 bucks(plugs into service plug in the box and can tune any value in a eccIV Mustang box and go to a local Junk yard and pull eec stuff out a junker stang . I would keep it all Ford and you should look at ecc users group and they can answer you questions. Steve Gary Derian wrote: > Federal emission regulations only apply to manufacturers and their dealers. > After you own the car, its up to the state you live in. Here in Ohio, it > was actually legal to open a shop and advertise "Smog equipment removed > here" up to about 15 years ago. > > Gary Derian > > > At 06:28 AM 6/10/99 -0700, you wrote: > > >1970 is a bit borderline for exemption. > > >I know California exempts vehicles 25years and older, which makes it > 1974. > > >But here in Nevada it's 1967 and earlier. > > >So it depends on what State it's to be registered in. > > >And one final note. If a vehicle was originally fitted with any sort of > > >emmisions control device, it is a Federal offence to remove it. Carries a > > >hideous fine. > > > > Actually, at least in CA, if you do an engine swap, the vehicle must have > > either the emissions controls for the year of the car, or the year of the > > engine, whichever is newer. You also are not allowed to put an engine in > > that wasn't offerred by the factory in that particular chassis. > > Once the swap is complete you have to go to the smog referee station to > get > > it certified and exempted. > > > > =========================================================== > > David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT@xxx.net > > Packet: N5XMT@xxx. Member #7068 > > We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated! > > =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:20:38 +1000 From: Peter Gargano Subject: TOTALLY OFF TOPIC - Re: Fwd: Please help Jet Skis... I draw the line for off-topic subjects at all of the following Jetskis, and as Greg Hermann (in response to jetman@xxx.com as forwarded by A70Duster@xxx.com), wrote: [snip] > ...alcohol, drugs, gambling, or prostitution... [snip] gi'me a break, please... (at least "metric.." WAS vehicle/EFI related) Please flame me: mailto:peter@xxx.au if you don't agree, but please give DIY_EFI a break. or flame the origin mailto:jetman@xxx.com regards, (and sorry to waste everyones' time!) - -- Peter Gargano ------------------------------ End of DIY_EFI Digest V4 #352 ***************************** To subscribe to DIY_EFI-Digest, send the command: subscribe diy_efi-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@xxx. A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace "diy_efi-digest" in the command above with "diy_efi".