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laurieboshell2004 <laurieboshell@...| 4|3|2012-05-17 15:35:34|w4pk1|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Please note, the MILLGOOD.dsk uploaded by me earlier , while a later version than Laurie's, has a bad sector $00 on track 05.

Ted.

| 5|3|2012-05-17 18:59:09|Bill Garber|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

It appears to be a duplicate of Track 1/sector 0.

Am I correct?

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| 6|3|2012-05-18 16:26:49|w4pk1|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

I dont know, I can mail you the original if you want. It is in a new sleave.

| 7|7|2012-06-01 00:37:47|wilserv_41|Limited success using the MILL card|

Hi!

Well, I finally got to see my MILL card running. Sort of. It will run the BASIC program named "DEMO1". But I could not get "ASM09" to assemble a source file. It either fills the screen with garbage or halts with "BREAK IN 9200" after displaying the name of the the assembler and a name and address, depending on how I respond to the prompts regarding object code and listing options.

I was able to isolate the logic in the boot code for OS/9 that checks for the presence of the MILL card and used it in a Kyan Pascal program that simply tells you in which slot the MILL card is located. An attempt to duplicate "DEMO1" via a Kyan Pascal program was pretty much a failure in that, occasionally, it gets as far as kicking off the 6809 counting logic but then crashes. Frequently, it doesn't even get that far.

Willi

| 8|7|2012-06-01 00:45:45|Bill Garber|Re: Limited success using the MILL card|

Hi Willi,

Do you have the OS/9 daughter card? I think you need it.

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| 9|7|2012-06-01 03:11:29|Willi Kusche|Re: Limited success using the MILL card|

Hi!

| 10|7|2012-06-01 05:18:13|Bill Garber|Re: Limited success using the MILL card|

You are probably right, and concerning ProDOS, all of the
ProDOS related programs were released after the card, so,
I'd say, the programs on the /MILL volume should run.

FWIW, the card says 1980 and ProDOS 1.0.1 was released in
January 01 of 1984, from the date that is displayed when
it loads.

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| 11|7|2012-06-01 05:29:13|Willi Kusche|Re: Limited success using the MILL card|

Hi!

| 12|7|2012-06-01 06:51:43|Bill Garber|Re: Limited success using the MILL card|

Try that RELEASE.DSK image by booting a disk with the
SYSTEM.PASCAL program on it first. I wouldn't be very
surprised if everything for it from that era was PASCAL.

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| 13|7|2012-06-01 22:25:19|w4pk1|Re: Limited success using the MILL card|

this is how I got it to work with pascal

downloaded USCD 1.01 (only 1.01 will work) from (4 disks, 0,1,2,3)
http://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/images/programming/pascal/ucsd/

got Laurie's DISTRIBUTION disk and patched the interperter (on disk 1)
boot with disk 1 and run the patcher from the DISTRIBUTION disk.

I then took out my 80 col card to force Pascall to boot to 40 col,
(maybe there is a better way)

now you can boot the patched Disk 1 and see ther 6502/6809 in the upper right)

disk 3 has some graphics programs, run them one of them shows 9809
generatign the butterfly

also these disks have some great programs showing off the 6502/6809
http://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/images/programming/pascal/call_apple/

the hanoi program on disk 04 is my favourite. PI on same disk works
the 6809 nicely too.

if anyonme has some more pascal programs, especialy math intensive,
load them up.

Ted.

| 14|7|2012-06-02 02:48:15|Bill Garber|Re: Limited success using the MILL card|

I've added those files to my queue for uploading to my web site.

I also made a WordPad .DOC file of this post for the Mill6809 folder.

They should be up there later this evening.

Good Job Ted....

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| 15|7|2012-06-11 05:57:47|globalstrategy@gmail.com|Re: Limited success using the MILL card|

this is how i got pascall to work

downloaded USCD 1.01 (only 1.01 will work) from (4 disks, 0,1,2,3)
http://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/images/programming/pascal/ucsd/

got Laurie's DISTRIBUTION disk and patched the interperter (on disk 1)
boot with disk 1 and run the patcher from the DISTRIBUTION disk.

I then took out my 80 col card to force Pascall to boot to 40 col,
(maybe there is a better way)

now you can boot the patched Disk 1 and see ther 6502/6809 in the upper right)

disk 3 has some graphics programs, run them one of them shows 9809
generatign the butterfly

also these disks have some great programs showing off the 6502/6809
http://mirrors.apple2.org.za/ftp.apple.asimov.net/images/programming/pascal/call_apple/

the hanoi program on disk 04 is my favourite. PI on same disk works
the 6809 nicely too.

if anyonme has some more pascal programs, especialy math intensive,
load them up.

Ted.

| 16|16|2012-06-11 06:18:20|Willi Kusche|Oops!|

Hi, y'all!

Ted's message of Jun. 1 got flagged as spam and I didn't notice it
until today. Not expecting messages from members to be flagged.
Anyway, Ted managed to get the message through. If you post a message
and it doesn't show up, please let me know.

Willi

| 17|17|2012-06-27 11:46:00|wilserv_41|Sander-Cederlof 6809 assembler|

Hi!

I found the S-C 6809 cross assembler and tried using it to assemble the source for the binary module that is loaded by "DEMO1", the BASIC program on the "/MILL" disk. I previously assembled the source file using a cross assembler for Windows (available here) and got no errors. The S-C assembler uses different pseudo mnemonics so I had to translate the source for use with the S-C assembler. The documentation for the S-C assembler is quite brief so when I got an error message I couldn't decipher I started to disassemble the S-C assembler to find out what the error message meant. Just as I was pretty much done with the disassembly, I finally figured out what the error was. Details to follow, after I've had some rest.

Willi

| 18|18|2012-07-03 12:15:37|wilserv_41|Giving the 6809 CPU something to do|

Hi!

Just added a couple of files to the 'Files' section. One is the compressed image of a disk containing source and executable for a program that can patch a file or memory. The other file has instructions for patching the disk you use to boot the Apple Pascal that uses the 6502/6809 Pcode interpreter. You can accomplish the same thing by rerunning "RELEASE:INSTALL" but using the ZAP program is a little faster. However, it's also more prone to error.

Willi

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 47|3|2012-08-01 20:02:21|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 48|3|2012-08-01 20:04:46|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 49|3|2012-08-01 20:08:38|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 50|3|2012-08-02 11:46:34|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 51|3|2012-08-02 11:59:07|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 52|3|2012-08-02 12:00:24|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 53|3|2012-08-19 05:44:18|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 54|3|2012-08-19 05:46:48|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 55|3|2012-08-19 05:49:51|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 57|3|2012-08-19 05:51:40|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 58|3|2012-08-19 06:57:24|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 59|3|2012-08-19 10:04:17|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 60|60|2012-08-20 00:06:34|sfischer194087|OS-9 Source code online.|

Hi,

[CoCoList for Color Computer Enthusiasts]
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/coco

This mailing list of ~ 400 members has an impressive list of OS-9 experts including many who have rewritten both OS-9 Level 1 and Level 2.

The source code is online for NitrOS-9. While the graphics will not work, IMHO many other Tandy CoCo OS-9 programs will work. The .dsk format being different is a problem.

It is almost painful to watch some of your uploads as there are perhaps better cross assemblers available and at least one member who is using a MAC. The experts know the boot process very well and I am sure are willing to help.

SHF

| 61|3|2012-08-20 03:24:41|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 62|60|2012-08-20 04:05:39|Willi Kusche|Re: OS-9 Source code online.|

Hi!

| 63|60|2012-08-21 06:18:24|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: OS-9 Source code online.|

Hi,

I too was confused by the start of "OS9P2N.LST". I thought that you might be trying to port OS-9 (6809 CPU) to the 6502.

That was the first file you uploaded that I looked at.

If you are interested in learning 6809 and OS-9 there may be a better way to understand if what you are doing is the best way.

I did not keep track of OS-9 after seeing the announcement in 68Micro Journal until I wanted a "C" compiler and "C" + "OS-9" was cheaper for the CoCo then. Little did I know then what Microware had created.

The 68Micro Journal is online, I scanned many of the OS-9 User group newsletters (MOTD) and there are many other OS-9 resources online.

I am not knowledgeable of OS-9 versions

for other computers but I have the following tidbit.

I installed FLEX on my first 6809 computer (SYM-1) with two (2) defective floppy drives, well they had to be replaced. I did little with it.

It took the CoCo and it's graphics to start any real programming on my own computers.

While I am not suggesting that you stop your work, but as there are so many 6809 emulators that can run OS-9 it might be helpful to also use one of them. That would the way I would proceed.

SHF

| 64|64|2012-08-24 01:26:41|sfischer194087|Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format to / from CoCo OS-9 dsk format utility.|

Hi,

I have been playing around with some of the OS-9 files.

MICROWAREA.DSK
140 KB wilserv_41 Jul 29, 2012
Image previously unknown, recovered by Antoine Vignau

and

OS9.SDK
59 KB wilserv_41 May 9, 2012
ShrinkIt archive of OS/9 boot disk

------------------------

Do you know of any program that will convert between Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format and CoCo OS-9 dsk format?

I have found CiderPress v3.0.1 for Windows but I am unsure if it can be used to reverse ShrinkIt.

If you do not have such a program can you reverse the ShrinkIt process and then zip up the larger files and send them to me?

SHF

| 65|64|2012-08-24 09:15:03|Willi Kusche|Re: Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format to / from CoCo OS-9 dsk format utility|

Hi!

| 66|64|2012-08-24 17:58:01|Willi Kusche|Re: Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format to / from CoCo OS-9 dsk format utility|

Hi!

| 67|64|2012-08-24 21:27:13|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format to / from CoCo OS-9 dsk format utility|

Hi,

It's the entire disk that I am interested in.

Your disks appear to be one year later than the CoCo OS-9 Level I, I am just curious what might have been changed by Microware.

Do you have a Windows computer or a Mac?

If Windows is yes, help may be available for the conversion program depending on the language you use. Please understand I will NOT be putting you in direct contact with him.

I assume that you are able to run OS-9.

Can you get text output from an OS-9 program to send to me?

SHF

| 68|64|2012-08-25 05:40:23|Alex Freed|Re: Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format to / from CoCo OS-9 dsk format utili|

I have figured a translation from Apple .DSK sector numbers to OS9
sectors as a two step process - reversing the Apple's interleave table
and applying the OS9 translation to the result. That's where I stopped.

I'd love it if somebody could dump and disassemble some of the Apple OS9
files. In particular TMODE. It switches to an 80 column mode but not
quite properly on an Apple 2e. Was designed for a different 80 col card.
Shouldn't be too hard to fix.

--
-Alex.

| 69|3|2012-08-25 13:59:22|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 70|64|2012-08-25 14:12:46|Willi Kusche|Re: Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format to / from CoCo OS-9 dsk format utility|

Hi!

| 71|3|2012-08-25 15:00:33|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 72|64|2012-08-25 22:58:03|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format to / from CoCo OS-9 dsk format utility|

Hi,

Â¿Lee y escribe espaÃ±oles?

De su lÃnea de la firma:

Perdone mi InglÃ©s, yo uso google traductor, mi idioma es el espaÃ±ol, soy
espaÃ±ol, pero vivo en Venezuela

La verdadera razÃ³n es que me gustarÃa que trabajara en su programa CoCo.
Como sÃ³lo hay quince (15) personas en su lista, le he molestado ya
demasiado. (Ã‰l dijo que era divertido y su anÃ¡lisis me dijo que yo le habÃa
enviado un archivo de un mal que se habÃa comprimido.)

Cuando usted puede leer y escribir CoCo OS-9 archivos y Ã©l me ha enviado
una versiÃ³n mÃ¡s reciente de decir a los cocos espaÃ±ol sobre Le dirÃ© tambiÃ©n.

No leer y escribir en espaÃ±ol.

That's a cold pail of water. Is anyone on your list able to run Apple6809
OS-9?

My searches came up with a perhaps recent effort to produce one.

SHF

| 73|64|2012-08-26 02:00:49|alexfreed58|Re: Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format to / from CoCo OS-9 dsk format utility|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H. Fischer"
Now the conversion program. AFAIK standard OS9 disks keep system data on sector 0. It is on a different sector in case of an Apple.

-Alex.

| 74|64|2012-08-26 03:52:03|Willi Kusche|Re: Apple6809 OS-9 dsk format to / from CoCo OS-9 dsk format utility|

Hi!

| 75|3|2012-08-26 05:25:28|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 76|3|2012-08-26 07:20:52|alexfreed58|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Thanks. I need to read up on OS9. While the source is short enough to make it reasonably easy to understand what it does I need to understand first how the drivers work in OS9.
As I said if I type "tmode type=3" I get 80 column text but not quite right on a 2e.

| 77|3|2012-08-26 08:40:36|Bill Garber|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

How about "tmode type=PI"? :-|

Very sorry, but I just couldn't resist
trying to lighten the mood a bit.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
http://www.sepa-electronics.com

| 78|3|2012-08-26 20:41:24|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 79|3|2012-08-26 20:45:04|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 80|80|2012-08-26 21:07:46|sfischer194087|CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

File : /OS9/CONVMICR.DSK
Uploaded by : wilserv_41
This disk appears to be bad, starting with the first directory.

To save time, I uploaded a snip to photos "Nani's test results"

If the test had produced more I would have captured the results in test format.

SHF

| 81|80|2012-08-26 21:37:43|Willi Kusche|Re: CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

Hi!

| 82|80|2012-08-26 21:51:23|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

Hi,

Look at BadDisk1.png

It says that OS9Boot is a DIRECTORY! It is a file.

DEFS is really a directory.

SHF

| 83|80|2012-08-26 22:17:40|Willi Kusche|Re: CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

Hi!

| 84|3|2012-08-26 22:37:26|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 85|80|2012-08-27 02:11:26|sfischer194087|Re: CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

Hi,

I checked your latest upload and it looks much better!

(Nani_8_26_2012.txt )

I am concerned about:

OS9Boot 82/01/29 13:04 3400
Module header is incorrect!

ident is the program that was called.

There may be 6502 code at the beginning.

SHF

| 86|80|2012-08-27 07:56:06|Willi Kusche|Re: CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

Hi!

| 87|3|2012-08-27 08:44:06|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 88|3|2012-08-27 08:51:01|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 89|80|2012-08-27 21:14:30|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

Hi,

Not having OS9Boot in the normal format will make it more difficult to extract it's parts, something I would want to do and you may want to do also so they can be disassembled.

On a running system the command "save" can be used to copy them from memory to a disk file. "mdir" displays parts but not all.

I realized COBBLER and OS9Gen were not there and many more commands so I am unsure if users were to be allowed to "fix" the system.

I uploaded ("CoCo OS-9 Level-I_II DiskLogs.txt') so you can see what we CoConuts got from Tandy.

When you code the reverse, CoCo to Apple, these listings may help you.

NOTE: The second disk is incorrect and is much less interesting than the third disk.

The last two, CoCo OS-9 Level - II, I included because this list when completed will be attached to a post in the CoCo Forums.

SHF

| 90|80|2012-08-27 21:22:34|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

Hi,

OK, I will send text when football is over. Two games today, five in four days. Then there is the America's Cup and Nascar.

Are you saying that your program cannot write the file correctly and you must hand patch it?

As you are running XP do you want instructions to boot OS-9 Level - I so you can check the results yourself?

SHF

| 91|80|2012-08-27 21:29:31|Willi Kusche|Re: CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

Hi!

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 93|80|2012-08-27 23:04:30|wilserv_41|Re: CONVMICR.DSK uploaded Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:41 am Bad|

Hi!

| 94|80|2012-08-28 03:45:45|Stephen H. Fischer|Running CoCo OS-9 Level -I on VCC|

| 95|80|2012-08-28 07:55:56|sfischer194087|Re: Running CoCo OS-9 Level -I on VCC|

The "CoCo OS-9 Level-I_II DiskLogs.zip" file has been corrected and moved to:

OS-9, Compilers and other links to Tandy Original Disks
http://tandycoco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=730&sid=66cc6cab0b45fb05754c078b93c99f19#p730

"Listing of the six (6) Tandy CoCo OS-9 Master Disks"

The OS-9 Level - I disks are also there.

SHF

| 96|96|2012-08-28 23:15:13|sfischer194087|/OS9/CONVOS9.DSK is GOOD!|

Hi,

I have checked /OS9/CONVOS9.DSK and it looks good.

("OS9.SDK" uncompressed and converted to Color Computer disk format)

The results and disk log are in the file "Nani_8_28_2012.txt".

If the files "Nani_8_26_2012.txt and Nani_8_28_2012.txt wish to be saved, please change their names and perhaps shrinkit them if desired.

----------------------------

If my post "Running CoCo OS-9 Level - I on VCC" in is your SPAM folder, please let me know so I can test another Yahoo list to see if the problem is also there.

NOTE: I cannot run OS-9 Level - I on VCC and have asked for help.

----------------------------
HDirect was a program in Rainbow Magazine that I corrected and expanded. It looks at the entire disk so it is a good quick.

It is a Basic09 program that produces 80 column listings and is in "SHF888.dsk" on my webpage.

The source will be placed on my webpage soon.

http://home.mindspring.com/~sfischer1/

SHF

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 98|80|2012-09-01 17:15:59|sfischer194087|Re: Running CoCo OS-9 Level -I on VCC|

Hi,

Well the experts have spoken and,

VCC will NOT run OS-9 Level - I.

It's a bug that is common to CoCo 3 Emulators.

I suggest running OS-9 Level - II with 128K and writing a program to reduce available memory.

Adding:

"display 1b 24 1b 20 1 0 0 28 18 0 2 7 1b 21"

to the beginning of "STARTUP" will convert the single window you need to use to 40 columns.

Just do not use any graphics.

If you have a FAT32 partition then you can run the CoCo 2 Emulator which will work. Best with Windows 98 SE.

Then if you wish to Mess around, you may be able to use your MAC.

For the complete thread with noise:

http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/coco/2012-August/061499.html

Also, I have not broken into the NitrOS-9 archive, but AFAIK there is a branch
that is 6809 Source Code for NitrOS-9 LEVEL - I.

SHF

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 100|96|2012-09-02 07:15:36|wilserv_41|Re: /OS9/CONVOS9.DSK is GOOD!|

Hi!

| 101|96|2012-09-02 08:02:39|sfischer194087|Re: /OS9/CONVOS9.DSK is GOOD!|

Hi,

I realized from the start that almost all of my personal disks would be
a problem for you as they are 80T 2S. And lots of other disks.

I have been waiting for persons complaining about some of the disks I
have put on my Web Site, but no complaints so far from the CoCo group.

As all the emulators that I have used can handle 80T 2S ".dsk" files I
have assumed that files can be selected and put onto new smaller ".dsk"
files.

Before the first ".VHD" was invented I used 255T 2S, or was it 255Tracks
255Sectors 2Sides?

You will need to build an empty disk that you can accept and transfer
files to it.

--------------------------------------

I am waiting for the CoCo / OS-9 ".dsk" expert to send me a new version
of his (For Me) main project before giving him some more of your "Fun".

texts,

He went on to detail so many things that demonstrated he could
understand so much even though I gave him a bad (Evil) compressed file.

I hope to receive his latest work soon at which time I give him some
more fun.

Your round trip Apple - that would be a much better test than what I am able to do.

SHF

| 102|96|2012-09-02 08:11:02|wilserv_41|Re: /OS9/CONVOS9.DSK is GOOD!|

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 106|2|2012-09-12 14:42:46|w4pk1|Re: Schematic and Parts List|

any interest in putting together the daughter card together?

name your price.....

:o)

| 107|2|2012-09-12 16:52:15|Willi Kusche|Re: Schematic and Parts List|

Hi!

| 108|2|2012-09-12 16:58:56|Bill Garber|Re: Schematic and Parts List|

Well, I don't need the daughtercard now.
I bought an Alex Freed clone. It has the
OS9 capability.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 109|109|2012-10-01 21:35:23|wilserv_41|Freed 6809 card|

Hi!

Sean Fahey was kind enough to sell to me his second card. I received it on Friday and started playing with it this weekend. My first attempt to boot OS-9 with the card in slot 1 of an unenhanced IIe was a failure. Fortunately, it didn't me too long to notice that I still had my Mill card in slot 5. Removing the Mill card allowed OS-9 to boot. Later testing revealed that the card will also run the dual processor version of the Apple Pascal P-code interpreter.

Willi

| 110|109|2012-10-01 22:29:07|Bill Garber|Re: Freed 6809 card|

Hi Willi,

This is awesome news, as I have not tried mine as yet.

At least I now know that I should not have any problems.

Thank you so much,

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
http://www.sepa-electronics.com

| 111|109|2012-10-01 22:48:34|Willi Kusche|Re: Freed 6809 card|

Hi!

| 112|109|2012-10-02 00:50:39|snhirsch5|Re: Freed 6809 card|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, "wilserv_41" Where did you find a dual-processor pascal interpreter? Is that on one of the Mill software diskettes?

| 113|109|2012-10-02 01:13:59|Willi Kusche|Re: Freed 6809 card|

Hi!

| 114|109|2012-10-02 02:22:38|Bill Garber|Re: Freed 6809 card|

Hi Willi,

Oh good, because I like my mouse card installed and
it will be better to use the Freed Mill Clone in the
optional slot.

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| 115|115|2012-10-02 02:25:46|wilserv_41|Booting OS-9 using a 3.5 inch drive|

Hi!

I took a baby step today towards being able to boot and run OS-9 Level 1 using 3.5 inch drives. Works in AppleWin by telling me that there is no Mill card. I'll try the boot disk with the real thing tomorrow.

Willi

| 116|115|2012-10-02 03:05:48|Bill Garber|Re: Booting OS-9 using a 3.5 inch drive|

Hi Willi,

You are just awesome, Willi. I can't wait to get this
thing up and running. Looks like everything will nearly
be done before I get around to it.

I have a ton of devices to program on now, and I hope
that one of them will inspire me to actually write one.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
http://www.sepa-electronics.com

| 117|109|2012-10-02 03:29:13|Bill Garber|Re: Freed 6809 card|

Hi Willi,

According to Alex, his card is set to run OS-9 with that
place for the switch closing pins 1&2 with a resistor.

You would have to remove that and apply the header jumper
to 'not' run OS-9. Or, as you say, a switch, which sounds
like the better choice.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
http://www.sepa-electronics.com

| 118|109|2012-10-02 04:26:42|Willi Kusche|Re: Freed 6809 card|

Hi!

| 119|109|2012-10-02 04:43:33|Bill Garber|Re: Freed 6809 card|

Hi Willi,

Actually, one way it is connected to Pins 1&2 and runs OS-9,
and the other way it's just not connected at all. PIN 3 isn't
connected to anything, so you can use a SPST switch to make
it active OS-9. Off would just be off.

I believe, IIRC, that Alex said it is a 1K ohm resistor,
but isn't really needed.

I doubt that it has anything to do with the program crash.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
http://www.sepa-electronics.com

| 120|109|2012-10-02 04:57:24|Willi Kusche|Re: Freed 6809 card|

Hi!

| 121|109|2012-10-02 20:29:22|alexfreed58|Re: Freed 6809 card|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garber"
-Alex.

| 122|109|2012-10-02 21:12:38|Bill Garber|Re: Freed 6809 card|

Oops, so sorry. So, a switch on Pins 2&3 will give us the
desired results. That's great. Now I just need to find one.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
http://www.sepa-electronics.com

| 123|115|2012-10-03 01:03:52|Willi Kusche|Re: Booting OS-9 using a 3.5 inch drive|

Hi!

Success!!! I was able to start the OS-9 boot process with the
stage zero boot logic on a 3.5 inch disk. The 3.5 inch disk is NOT an
OS-9 disk, it's just a test disk to let me test the boot code. The
next step is to design the specifications for OS-9 file system on an
Apple 3.5 inch disk.

Willi

| 124|115|2012-10-03 02:56:21|Bill Garber|Re: Booting OS-9 using a 3.5 inch drive|

Hey Willi,

Great job, Willi. I'd like to run off 3.5" disk anyway.

Will it run from a 1.4MB disk on the Superdrive, maybe? :-)

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 125|115|2012-10-03 03:09:16|snhirsch5|Re: Booting OS-9 using a 3.5 inch drive|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, Willi Kusche I wonder how difficult it would be to adapt the hard disk driver from NitrOS9 Level 1?

| 126|115|2012-10-03 05:19:13|Willi Kusche|Re: Booting OS-9 using a 3.5 inch drive|

Hi!

| 127|3|2012-10-12 20:08:03|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 129|129|2012-10-12 20:32:45|wilserv_41|Source for "EDIT" module|

Hi!

I just uploaded two source files. Both are source for the "EDIT" module. "EDIT.ASM" is from the NitrOS-9 source repository. "EDIT.A09" is a source file I created using a disassembler, then making extensive changes with a text editor. When I was done, I found that I had created a source file that I believe is superior to "EDIT.ASM", the source file in the NitrOS-9 source repository. If anyone reading this message has any free time, I invite them to compare the two files using a file compare utility like that available at http://www.prestosoft.com/edp_examdiff.asp to either validate or rebut my claim.

Willi

| 130|130|2012-10-12 21:09:47|wilserv_41|Using the Freed 6809 card in various models of the Apple II|

Hi!

The first model of the Apple II I used to try out the card, graciously sold to me by Sean Fahey, was an unenhanced IIe. There, there were no problems using the card. I then moved the card to a platinum IIe where I had some initial success. But then I started seeing OS-9 being unable to finish booting with the monitor screen filling with random characters and constant clicking emanating from inside the IIe. Finally, I gave up on the platinum IIe and am now using the unenhanced IIe as my test bed. But now I've noticed that the unenhanced IIe will hang booting OS-9 when I turn on both the IIe and the monitor, using the switch on the power strip that they are both connected to. This after they've both been off for many hours. No problems booting OS-9 after that, even if I use the power strip switch.

Willi

| 131|130|2012-10-13 20:52:51|alexfreed58|Re: Using the Freed 6809 card in various models of the Apple II|

I don't think the "enhanced" plays a major role here - I did all my tests on a "platinum" 2e. I did see a glitch on the first cold start from time to time, but then it worked fine for hours.

As I mentioned on my web page the original Mill card design violated some 2e timing guidelines. Same applies to my version that was designed before I found the tech notes about the DMA in 2e.

One thing for sure - it will not work in a 2 GS has has significantly different slot timing.

| 132|130|2012-10-14 03:26:53|Egan Ford|Re: Using the Freed 6809 card in various models of the Apple II|

This is normal (see Freed's website). Â On cold boot it hangs, ctrl-reset and it boots after that.

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 138|130|2012-10-15 02:49:10|wilserv_41|Re: Using the Freed 6809 card in various models of the Apple II|

Hi!

| 139|130|2012-10-15 03:17:57|Bill Garber|Re: Using the Freed 6809 card in various models of the Apple II|

Hey Willi,

It might, but take it out and see if it improves. :-)

No need to feel embarrassed, you should see my system.

I have a CFFA 2.0 with 32MB CF card in slot #7.....
and, a Disk II in slot #6, with a Unidisk 5.25" drive...
and in slot #5, a Liron with a SPVHD connected.....
and in slot #4, a Mouse Card with M0100 mouse attached...
and in Slot #2, the Alex Freed Mill Clone, good Job Alex...
and finally in slot #1, my CFFA 3000 with 8MB CF card...

I just started adding stuff and it got like this. Weird...

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 140|130|2012-10-15 23:47:46|Laurie Boshell|Re: Using the Freed 6809 card in various models of the Apple II|

Mate that's nothing.....

I can admit to this because the people who know me won't be reading this.

I built one of Mike Willegal's Apple II rev 0 motherboards

Â (http://www.willegal.net/appleii/appleii-first_page.htm),Â

and it would not work.

I checked all voltages, went over the video circuit with a CRO, and thought the CPU was dead.

After he sent me many helpful emails on debugging, I checked the orientation of the 6502 chip, and I had it in back-to-front. Â How embarrassing...especially when I had to admit it to Mike.Â

Laurie.

| 141|130|2012-10-16 00:07:50|Willi Kusche|Re: Using the Freed 6809 card in various models of the Apple II|

Hi!

Removing "The CP/M Card" has cured the problems I was experiencing
with the Freed card in a platinum IIe.

Willi

| 142|130|2012-10-16 01:04:57|Bill Garber|Re: Using the Freed 6809 card in various models of the Apple II|

Hi!

Interesting... Did you happen to check if the Freed card
had any effect on the operation of the CP/M card? ;-)

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| 143|130|2012-10-16 01:29:53|Willi Kusche|Re: Using the Freed 6809 card in various models of the Apple II|

Hi!

| 144|144|2012-10-17 00:56:12|wilserv_41|Adding a third 5.25 inch drive to my OS-9 test system|

Hi!

The platinum IIe that I'm now using as an OS-9 test system currently has nothing in slot 4. Wanting more disk storage capacity I decided that I should put a 5.25 inch drive controller card into slot 4 and connect two drives to the card, but only one to start with. I created a source file named "D2.A09" by modifying the source file named "D1R.A09", available in the group's 'Files' section. I then used "MAMOU", a Windows cross-assembler, to create the binary file "D2". Getting "D2" onto an Apple II OS-9 disk will be the first test of a program I just finished testing that takes an input file and uses it to create a 140K image file. Well, time to get off my duff and see if entering "DIR /D2" actually lists the directory of an OS-9 disk in slot 4, drive 1.

Willi

| 145|145|2012-10-18 02:30:52|snhirsch5|Verifying basic operation|

I just finished assembling my 6809 card and am trying to verify functionality. How do I do this?

What I've tried:

- Card in Slot 4
- Jumper installed on pins closest to 3.3V regulator (are these 1-2?)
- Boot OS9BASIC

I hear two quick beeps and see a message about OS9 V1, followed by a single beep and an inverse "64K". And, that's it. After a second or two the drive light goes out and there's no keyboard response.

This is a Platinum 2e. Next:

- Jumper on pins furthest from regulator.
- Boot DOS 3.3 and run DEMO1 from MILL.DSK.

It tells me "This is from the Mill..", but I see and hear nothing even though it mentions something about a low beep. There's some nonsense about running BASIC while the Mill does... something, but it doesn't make any sense to me.

What to try next?

| 146|145|2012-10-18 06:11:46|Willi Kusche|Re: Verifying basic operation|

Hi!

| 147|145|2012-10-18 12:59:17|rjustice@internode.on.net|Re: Verifying basic operation|

Â Hi,

I assembled my own as well, and haven't had to much luck with it.

When you run the demo, in the middle of the screen there will appear a line of text and a counter that gets incremented. This is from code running on the 6809, and writing direct to the screen buffer. When it updates the counter it also creates a tick on the speaker every so often.

The basic program running on the 6502 then prints lines out scrolling when it gets to the bottom, and the counter from the 6809 should overwrite it. When the 6809 is running the demo program, the 6502 runs quite slow due to the 6809 hogging the bus.
The key here is that you need either a apple II plus, or i think maybe a non enhanced 11e. The 6809 reads the last two bytes from the rom and the demo expects it to be 40 FA.(6809 reads them the other way around compared to the 6502) Which as Alex noted, is not what a later iie has as its reset vector bytes.

The demo sometimes works on my ii+, and sometimes it doesn;t. I haven't managed to work out why yet I've also tried an enhanced iie with the os9, but no success there.

/Rob

| 148|145|2012-10-18 14:09:57|snhirsch5|Re: Verifying basic operation|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, rjustice@... wrote:
On an unenhanced 2e, the BASIC demo appears to be working. Does anyone else see an "@" appearing after the counter, or is that garbage on my system?

But, still no luck with OS-9. It double-beeps, shows an inverse "64K" and locks up.

One issue may be the sector ordering on the various images. I have things in the form "OS9" and OS9BASIC.DSK. Are these ProDOS order (PO)? Are they DOS order? The entire issue of A2 diskette images drives me nuts. Why was it necessary to have multiple standards?

| 149|145|2012-10-19 02:20:19|snhirsch5|Re: Verifying basic operation|

A pattern is emerging. The Mill Pascal disk works just fine in an unenhanced 2e, as does the Applesoft 'DEMO1' from the mill diskette.

But, no matter what I try OS-9 will not run. It gets as far as an inverse "64K" and hangs, usually with the drive motor still running. No keyboard response.

I'm starting to wonder if there isn't an issue with the CPLD since it's responsible for remap. Sort of stuck at this point.

| 150|145|2012-10-19 04:01:38|Bill Garber|Re: Verifying basic operation|

I haven't tried anything but OS-9..... see below.....

I find that every 3rd to 4th boot, I need to remake the
OS-9 boot disk, when trying it on my enhanced Apple //e.
Every brand new disk write boots perfectly.

I'm working it on my Apple II Plus now, and although there
is apprehension to use this complete IIplus, ever, but, I'll
continue until I get my work IIplus into a IIe case. (yes,
I use an adapter to run a IIe Keyboard with it, works good)
Also, I am finding that if I have a CFFA in, it must be in
a lower slot than the Mill card. The Liron doesn't work at
all, no matter what slot it is in. Ok, no SPVHD, no problem.
Maybe it's that, and the Unidisk 3.5" will work. Who knows?

I'm not sure if it is anything on the card,
but there is definitely something wrong. :-(

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 151|145|2012-10-19 19:02:06|Bill Garber|Re: Verifying basic operation|

It is working on my IIplus, but, I don't get the counter from
the 6809, just the scolling count from Applesoft. Not slowed
down. I have the 6809 card in slot #2, and no other cards,
except the Language card, and the Disk II card.

I wouldn't know. I'm apparently not getting the counter.
I get the low beep, so I know the 6809 is working.

Have you tried re-writing the disk? Yours might be scrapped.

Sector ordering doesn't matter if you're making the disks
using ADTPRO. It will even overwrite an IBM formatted disk.

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| 152|145|2012-10-19 23:44:02|snhirsch5|Re: Verifying basic operation|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garber" That's odd.

Several times, with several different images.

Good to know, but I don't use ADTPRO. I have all the A2 boxen on an Appletalk network with a Linux appliance as server.

I'm going to pull a ][+ out of the garage and see if that works any better.

| 153|145|2012-10-20 00:13:14|Bill Garber|Re: Verifying basic operation|

Something that dawned on me after I wrote all that, do I need to
have the jumper on pins 2&3 for the Demo disk? And.. do you have
the jumper on 1&2 for the OS-9 disk?

Oh, sorry to hear that. ;-) Just joking, of course. :-)
What exactly do you use to make the disks? Quite interested.

Good Idea. Be sure to keep us informed.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 154|145|2012-10-20 04:02:04|snhirsch5|Re: Verifying basic operation|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garber" Yes to both.

I copy the image file from the netatalk server to the local disk on my primary 2e, then use 'diskmaker8' to write the diskette. Diskmaker lets you choose between DOS and ProDOS sector ordering. In a perfect world, folks would use *.DO or *.DSK for DOS ordering and *.PO for ProDOS. But unfortunately it's sometimes guesswork.

I don't have the energy to dig into storage tonight. If I get my firewood loaded in early enough tomorrow I'll tackle it then. Winter's a-coming.

| 155|145|2012-10-20 05:33:30|Bill Garber|Re: Verifying basic operation|

I was afraid you were going to say that. Time to spread out
and make space for soldering. I need to put on a header.

Ah yes, Diskmaker8, I love that program. I use ADTPRO via
WI-FI through an Uthernet card on my IIgs ROM 03. It does
have its tiny problems though, like when the router gets
bogged down with traffic.

Again, I don't know why Sector Ordering should be an issue.
Physical sector ordering should be good enough, I would think.
Too bad it's not. I should go read up on ADTPRO some more.
Maybe ask David Schmidt some questions about that.

That it is, and I am glad. I hate the heat.

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| 156|156|2012-10-20 08:43:10|wilserv_41|Good testing session|

Hi!

I had OS-9 running for about 8 hours today. A lot of those hours were with the IIe sitting at the 'OS9:' prompt while I was upstairs doing other things. I booted many, many times and had no problems booting except for a couple of times at the beginning of the testing session. Also, no disks were corrupted. Nevertheless, I used "ShrinkIt" frequently to create '.SDK' files, just in case.

I discovered that the '~' character is a no-no in a file name. Also, if you use a disk editor to change a file name and forget to set bit 7 of the last character of a file name, you'll have a disk that will send OS-9 into limbo if you enter a 'DIR' command for that disk. Finally, I kept forgetting to enter the file name in the second operand of the 'COPY' command.

Willi

| 157|156|2012-10-20 08:52:18|Bill Garber|Re: Good testing session|

Hi Willi,

I, too, have had no problems with it in a II+. Next, I will
try it in an unenhanced IIe. The //e enhanced is nothing but
trouble. Apparently, the 65C02 is not liked by the 6809. :-(

Most 8-bit command line OS's don't like special characters in
file names. Also, most command line systems require Input and
Output filenames, even if they are going to remain the same.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 158|156|2012-10-20 09:08:56|Willi Kusche|Re: Good testing session|

Hi!

| 159|145|2012-10-20 21:45:14|alexfreed58|Re: Verifying basic operation|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garber"
Trying the BASIC demo with wrong memory mapping may explain the symptoms: low beep (6809 running) but no video (writing to the wrong address, not the text screen).

Also I don't think the z80 card can not co-exist with my card for any software reason. It's just that DMA on Apple is very sensitive. Extra load and capacitance on the bus may screw up the timing. The SoftCard is one of a few that also uses DMA, so the DMA pin is connected. That puts an extra load on the line and cause the DMA signal to be asserted a bit later. And it is already a little too late relative to the address bus driven by the 6809.

| 160|145|2012-10-20 21:59:37|Willi Kusche|Re: Verifying basic operation|

Hi!

| 161|156|2012-10-21 03:19:21|Bill Garber|Re: Good testing session|

Hi Willi,

I had it going with the Platinum IIe as well, once
I took out all the cards except Disk II and 6809.
It worked with the CFFA in as well, if it was in a
slot below the 6809 card.

I am not well-versed in OS-9 command, so, try to bear
with me if I don't understand anything you just said.

Are you saying you can use hard disk with OS-9 ???

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 162|145|2012-10-21 03:21:50|Bill Garber|Re: Verifying basic operation|

Hi Willi,

I thought I saw something to that effect in the BASIC code.
I'll have a look to see if I have the right slot number in.

Thanks,

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 163|156|2012-10-21 04:07:15|Willi Kusche|Re: Good testing session|

Hi!

| 164|156|2012-10-21 05:57:39|Bill Garber|Re: Good testing session|

Hi Willi,

Understand. That's exactly the reason I am
not fond of Command-Line operating systems.

Is there available somewhere a comprehensive list
of OS-9 commands and their functions? Especially
ones for the Apple II 6809 Mill card? I have been
searching but to no avail. :-(

That's actually good news. I am having enough trouble
with OS-9 with just a single floppy disk. :-)

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 165|156|2012-10-21 06:38:01|Willi Kusche|Re: Good testing session|

Hi!

| 166|156|2012-10-21 07:10:57|Willi Kusche|Re: Good testing session|

Hi!

| 167|156|2012-10-21 10:52:30|Bill Garber|Re: Good testing session|

Hi Willi,

Oh wow, I thought I felt something tickling my
mousetache. ;-) I feel quite dumb right now.

Got it, thanks.

Yeah, I figured out the "DIR CMDS" command. I have
used several of the commands correctly, I just thought
a nice listing of how they all worked would be great.
There is program development info in there, as well.

Good stuff, thanks so much. :-)

Actually, WinZip did the job quite nicely. :-)

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 168|156|2012-10-21 10:53:54|Bill Garber|Re: Good testing session|

Hi Willi,

Awesome, I'll check that out tomorrow. G'night.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 169|169|2012-10-21 15:17:38|snhirsch5|Out of luck|

It looks like my Freed 6809 card is not capable of running OS-9. I've tried it on three boxes: Platinum //e, unenhanced ][e and ][+ with the same lack of success. Tried three different CPUs (2 x 6809 and a 6309). Even tried randomly swapping out the TTL parts.

Behavior is the same in all cases. It gets as far as displaying in inverse "64K" and freezing - usually with the drive running.

I have tried three or four different diskette images as well. This is not a software problem from what I can see. All non-remapped functionality appears fine. Pascal works properly, the Mill demo works properly.

Alex indicates that at least one of the boards he fully populated similarly refused to work in OS-9 mode, but he does not know why. This is very disappointing, as it's the main reason I purchased and built the card. Alex did make the good suggestion that I code something in 6809 assembler and poke around to see what the card actually addresses in remapped mode. I'm also going to try reprogramming the CPLD chip if I can rig an adapter for my JTAG programmer.

| 170|156|2012-10-21 17:21:28|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Good testing session|

Hi,

What is the free memory available when you start and the size of your empty
disks? Two disks right?

SHF

| 171|169|2012-10-21 18:32:44|Bill Garber|Re: Out of luck|

Steven,

Are you jumpering pins 1&2 for OS-9?

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 172|169|2012-10-21 18:49:56|snhirsch5|Re: Out of luck|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garber"
I'm just SOL. If Alex builds any more, I'll order one assembled and tested (even though I don't think my construction has anything to do with the problem).

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Hi!

| 176|156|2012-10-22 03:32:19|Willi Kusche|Re: Good testing session|

Hi!

| 177|156|2012-10-22 04:46:57|Willi Kusche|Re: Good testing session|

Hi!

| 178|156|2012-10-22 04:58:37|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Good testing session|

Hi,

If you can capture a before and after "The let's-corrupt-a-workdisk gremlin" occurs disk images I can send them to the CoCo dsk expert. He is not taking my hints about what he should be working on so sending him more "fun" would be OK.

I wonder if the disk could be write protected, I vaguely remember that OS-9 might boot that way.

My startup script had a file to remember the date, I do not think that yours does. Off hand I do not think of any reason to write files.

One of the reasons I stopped using real CoCos was hardware problems with hard disk sectors repeatedly being destroyed.

When my Floppy controller died taking the HD controller with it I just had no energy left to fight more hardware problems.

I suggest that you clean all connectors, reseat all IC's involved and so on. That's what I can to the conclusion years later that might be the problem.

The free number of sectors on a empty disk was the number I was looking for. Four drives, I was allowed only three, and if they were double sided, only two. 2880, 1440, 720, ...?

SHF

| 179|179|2012-10-22 05:27:07|wilserv_41|SPAM|

Hi!

It's beginning to look as if, if you don't go to plain text when you prepare a message that will wind up being posted here, there's about a 1 in 10 chance that it will be flagged as spam by Yahoo! It wouldn't be so bad if Yahoo! would notify me when that happens but they don't. I've never seen a message, flagged by Yahoo! as spam, that really was spam.

Willi

| 180|179|2012-10-22 05:52:03|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: SPAM|

Hi,

Fully Featured

Traditional

I had selected "Fully Featured", I changed it to "Traditional".

Yahoo may have selected "Fully Featured" all by itself.

OE replies in kind.

We will see if it make a diference.

SHF

| 181|156|2012-10-22 06:23:25|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Good testing session|

Hi,

My VCC is broken, I cannot type anything when booting Level-I.

I will have to look at it when I have the time. Perhaps getting the CoCo 2
emulator running again would be a better idea. My memory is sometimes not
good for answers.

I think that there is another command that would help understand free memory
going up, but see line one. Do you have mmap and pmap? mdir / mdir e /
mdir -e / smap?

Try the "e" parameter on all of these, it has been so long since I fought
Level-I and was glad to put it into the rear view mirror.

SHF

| 182|156|2012-10-22 06:49:17|Willi Kusche|Re: Good testing session|

Hi!

| 183|169|2012-10-22 14:25:55|snhirsch5|Re: Out of luck|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, Willi Kusche I have a CoCo 3 and FPGA CoCo (25Mhz. emulation), so no problem playing with OS-9. We have some good pictures of the daughter board, so it may be possible to fabricate one.

I'm also going to order a few more 6809s and CPLDs. My suspicion is that something is right on the hairy edge timing-wise and normal production variation may be the difference between working and not.

Biggest hurdle is figuring out how to program the CPLD. I have a Xilinx USB JTAG pod, but I need to do some research to figure out what's needed to blast the part.

| 184|184|2012-10-23 02:57:02|snhirsch5|Success!!|

I changed out all three 74HCT245s for LS245s and the card started working again with the Mill demo. Then, I tried OS-9. It wouldn't boot and I noticed that it was destroying the boot diskette every time. On a hunch, I generated a fresh disk and stuck on a write-protect tab.

Bingo! Booted right up into OS-9 the first time. I have no idea why that's necessary... Now that I'm up and running can anyone tell me how to get it into 80-column mode? Or lowercase?

| 185|184|2012-10-23 05:06:39|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Success!!|

Hi,

Great!

I just verified my memory, OS-9 Level-I will boot just fine on the CoCo2
emulator with the dsk write protected.

So keep that write protect on.

You can perhaps remove the write protected disk and put one of the bad ones
in not write protected for running. I swapped boot disks quite often.

then "CHX /D0/CMDS"

and "CHD /D0" will put you in good shape.

Branding? What are they doing?

SHF

| 186|184|2012-10-23 05:12:52|sfischer194087|Re: Success!!|

/Do should be /D0 in all places. Darn Keyboards.

| 187|156|2012-10-23 05:31:47|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Good testing session|

Hi,

MFREE for me shows
ADDRESS PAGES
--------- -----
B00-ACFF 162
AF00-AFFF 1

Running the first OS-9 Level-I version on the CoCo2 emulator.

Four drives are possible for me. On the CoCo2 emulator I think I used 255
Tracks / 255 Sectors at one time before a HDD was added.

My real CoCo2 had two 80 track double sided drives with 2880 sectors free.

SHF

| 188|184|2012-10-23 06:06:10|Willi Kusche|Re: Success!!|

Hi!

| 189|184|2012-10-23 19:27:37|Bill Garber|Re: Success!!|

Although I probably will run in 40 column because it
does that thing with the overwriting of the 'S' with
the inverse single quote, could you please tell us
how to edit the files? Thank you. :-)

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 190|184|2012-10-23 20:31:12|snhirsch5|Re: Success!!|

--- In Apple6809@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Garber"
You can switch the mode on the command line with:

TMODE TYPE=3 -UPC

There's no editor on the boot diskette I'm using.

| 191|184|2012-10-23 20:33:06|Willi Kusche|Re: Success!!|

| 192|184|2012-10-23 21:41:01|alexfreed58|Re: Success!!|

Very happy to hear that. I felt a bit guilty, you know...

The 80 col mode is AFAIK intended to work with one particular 80 col card in a ][+. To correct the imperfection with a 2e somebody needs to edit the drive. I was hoping you would be a perfect candidate for this job :)

As for programming the CPLDs if you ever need to do it, it's easy.
Take a socket like the one mounted on the board. Connect the 4 JTAG pins to the flying wires from the Xilinx box. Now the tricky part: use some wire to connect all the grounds together and the VCCs. Apply 3.3V from a bench power supply if you have one. Or use a regulator chip.
The software is free from Xilinx.
Well, I guess not quite that easy...

I just bought a brand new USB connected box on ebay for about $50 that programs EEPROMS and all kinds of PALs, GALs and even microcontrollers. Maybe this is a good solution for your activities too.

| 193|184|2012-10-24 07:13:27|Bill Garber|Re: Success!!|

Alex,

Can you make the JEDEC file available? I can generate it
via ISE, but if I don't have to, it would be much easier.

I have a Xilinx 9536 CPLD development board, and software
to use with it, so, I should be able to program the CPLD
myself.

O/T: Do you have any spare "Not Your Father's Applicard"
boards left? If not, I can make one from the specs on
the web site. I can kick myself for selling mine, well,
I actually traded it along with a few other things for
an Oscilloscope, which I needed more at the time. :-|

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 194|184|2012-10-25 02:47:55|alexfreed58|Re: Success!!|

I put the file 6809_card.jed on
http://alexfreed.com/FPGApple/Mill6809/

However it may be a good idea to rebuild it disabling the IRQ output so that a trace won't need to be cut.

And no, I have no z80 cards to spare.

| 195|184|2012-10-25 05:30:05|Bill Garber|Re: Success!!|

My trace is already cut, but I appreciate
your making this all available to us. :-)

That's a shame because I really liked it.
Well, I guess I can make one from the data
made available on the site. Thanks, anyway.

Bill Garber @ SEPA Electronics
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| 196|156|2012-10-26 20:22:28|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Good testing session|

Hi,

I will have to check, some of those might work on Level-I.

MDIR e might be good enough to discover why memory increased. Try it before
and after, perhaps "MDIR e
Shucks, you do not have TCMP.

Is "T1" a serial port? If yes then you can get 80 cols x 24+ lines easy.

I have a Windows 98 SE Virtual machine that with a fresh copy I can use the
CoCo2 emulator on.

But I have to close out two online project first.

SHF

| 197|184|2012-10-26 20:22:28|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Success!!|

Hi,

At some point, if you wish, I can supply some of the SLED (Screen Line
EDitors) versions that I found on my OS-9 Level-I boot disks.

It has been so long that I have no idea what point in the development of
SLED they were and how safe (Not likely to lose your edit session, a problem
with the original author's version on the OS-9 Users Group disk #46).

The earliest version that I have the source saved is version 3. That sounds
like about the time I gave it to others (Local "CoCo Software Collector
(Thief)") so it must have been somewhat useful.

If requested, I can speed up this process.

I directed all my efforts toward SLED as soon as I got it, the Editors
supplied with OS-9 were so horrible to use.

I plan someday to make the source for the present version of SLED 6B
available and the archives of the previous versions.

SHF

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Hi!

Wow, it sure took me long enough to discover that I have the ability to turn off filtering. Which I have done. My apologies to Stephen for the delay in pulling his last two messages out of the SPAM bucket.

Willi

| 204|204|2012-10-31 06:38:42|wilserv_41|Restructuring the "OS9" folder in the 'Files' section|

Hi!

Yes, I did. Hopefully, the new structure makes files easier to find. Constructive criticism is welcome.

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 212|3|2012-11-06 09:30:07|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Hi,

Now I know what has been bothering me.

Where is "Shell"?

It must be in the bootfile.

In both the versions for the CoCo "Shell" is in CMDS.

I thought that your OS-9 Level-I version was later than the first CoCo
version.

Now I realize that two different teams were working at the same time.

SHF

| 213|3|2012-11-06 10:44:31|Willi Kusche|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Hi!

| 214|214|2012-11-06 13:55:01|wilserv_41|"DELDIR" module|

Hi!

While compiling the list of OS-9 commands I noticed that "DELDIR" and "DCHECK" were missing from the Apple II distribution. The source for "DCHECK" is pretty big so I decided to skip it, for now. I assembled "DELDIR.ASM" from the NitrOS-9 source repository, using the "MAMOU" cross-assembler. The assembly was clean so I moved the executable to my test system. "DELDIR" did remove the target directory but the option to first list the contents of the directory did NOT display the names of any of the three test files. Will investigate.

I'm now leaving the test system on 24/7 to avoid the problem of not being able to cold start OS-9. Usually, OS-9 will boot on the second try but one day it took five tries. So, now I leave the platinum IIe running all the time but I do shut off the monitor when I'm done testing.

Willi

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 219|219|2012-11-08 09:15:35|wilserv_41|"Document Not Found"|

Hi!

Then again, the message might be "Document Not Available". Whichever it is, what you need to do is go to the parent folder then back to the desired folder. Then you should be able to access the file you want.

Willi

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 228|228|2012-11-13 23:42:33|Willi Kusche|Today's testing session|

Hi!

I've been able to assemble many source files, using a
cross-assembler. Today I finally created a source file that the
native assembler converted to an executable file that actually ran
correctly. Yes, it was just a program that displays "Hello, world!".
But the problem of corruption of the boot disk was back today. I
think I had to use ShrinkIt twice to rebuild the boot disk. Once
because Copy2Plus showed that every sector of track 11 was bad. A
second time because, although Copy2Plus found no errors, the boot disk
would not successfully process the "STARTUP" file.

Willi

| 229|228|2012-11-13 23:56:47|Bills Mail|Re: Today's testing session|

Hey Willi,

We need to figure out what is happening to the boot disk. What is factoring
in there? Is it the Disk II or the Freed card? Does it occur in all models
of
Apple II, or just the enhanced //e? Is it possibly caused by borderline
speed,
or alignment of the actual drive? I haven't had time to experiment lately,
so,
I can't say when it happens, or what is causing it. Could there be something
on the actual disk that is erasing or writing a bit here or there?
Puzzling.

Bill Garber
http://www.sepa-electronics.com/

| 230|228|2012-11-14 00:13:41|Willi Kusche|Re: Today's testing session|

Hi!

| 231|228|2012-11-14 09:20:39|Bills Mail|Re: Today's testing session|

Hi Willi,

Ok, so we have an intermittent problem, caused by unknown conditions.
I'll try to continuously boot up the disk sometime this weekend and see
if I an get it to roll over and play dead at the same point repeatedly. I'll do
that with just the Disk II and the Freed card in place first, then add some
other things like the CFFA to see what it does. Hopefully I can figure out
why it is doing what it's doing.

If you are writing to this disk, then my testing might be for naught. ;-)

Bill Garber
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| 232|3|2012-11-15 06:43:59|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 233|3|2012-11-17 17:41:14|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 234|234|2012-11-22 08:25:06|wilserv_41|Disk corruption|

Hi!

I've been able to identify two kinds of corruption of Apple ][ OS-9 disks. One kind is where the basic Apple ][ disk format is intact but the data in a sector has been changed. The other is where an entire track is no longer in Apple ][ format. The latter problem can be found by using the disk verify function available in Copy II Plus. The former problem isn't as easy to diagnose. Either way, I just recreate the disk from a backup made with ShrinkIt.

Willi

| 235|235|2012-11-22 08:38:54|wilserv_41|Sneaky line editor problem|

Hi!

I was having problems with the line editor ("EDIT") that I couldn't figure out. Finally realized that my problems were all due to the fact I was trying to edit a file containing mixed case text, created with Windows Notepad, without first issuing a "TMODE .1 -UPC" command.

Willi

| 236|236|2012-11-23 18:08:10|wilserv_41|"E" command in "DEBUG" not working for me|

Hi!

I get "module not found" when I enter "E DSPSEP". A "DIR" command shows that "DSPSEP" exists in the "CMDS" subdirectory. Entering "E /D0/CMDS/DSPSEP" gives the same result. VERY demoralizing!

Willi

| 237|236|2012-11-23 18:55:34|Bills Mail|Re: "E" command in "DEBUG" not working for me|

First, admitting that I'm talking out of my arse, as I know
nothing of OS9, I will offer this suggestion.

Perhaps the file type is incorrect. Or, this is a command
that only runs from within another program.

Bill Garber
http://www.sepa-electronics.com/

| 238|236|2012-11-23 19:21:14|Willi Kusche|Re: "E" command in "DEBUG" not working for me|

Hi!

| 239|236|2012-11-23 19:37:59|Bills Mail|Re: "E" command in "DEBUG" not working for me|

I think you might be. I keep complaining about having sold my
Freed "Not your Father's Applicard", but I probably wouldn't be
using it anyway, same as the Freed Mill Card. Not using it.

Bill Garber
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| 240|236|2012-11-24 01:02:58|Willi Kusche|Re: "E" command in "DEBUG" not working for me|

Hi!

| 241|236|2012-11-24 01:16:20|Bills Mail|Re: "E" command in "DEBUG" not working for me|

So, are you saying that you've got that problem solved,
or at least know where to find the information?

Bill Garber
http://www.sepa-electronics.com/

| 242|236|2012-11-24 01:47:27|Willi Kusche|Re: "E" command in "DEBUG" not working for me|

Hi!

| 243|236|2012-11-24 01:58:44|Bills Mail|Re: "E" command in "DEBUG" not working for me|

Awesome, Willi. You get everything working and then we'll use it. 8o)

Bill Garber
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| 244|244|2012-12-11 10:54:53|wilserv_41|Group's database feature activated|

Hi!

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Willi

| 245|3|2012-12-11 15:12:29|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 247|247|2012-12-17 08:45:33|wilserv_41|Adding Super Serial card causes boot disk corruption|

Hi!

I replaced the clock card in slot 2 of the test system in the basement with an Apple Super Serial card so that I could create test disks with ADT. The Super Serial card is connected by a cable to an old Dell P133 system running Windows '98. I assembled "DCL.A09", a file I just uploaded to the group's 'Files' section, converted the output executable into a disk image using "F2I9" and created a real disk with ADT. Then I booted OS-9 to see if "DCL" would work. That is, I tried. After seeing my boot disk corrupted on every boot attempt, about eight tries, I stopped to try to figure out what was going on. Well, apparently it was the Super Serial card, in slot 2. The Freed card is in slot 1. Pulled the serial card, put back the clock card, rewrote the boot disk and was able to boot. And, found that "DCL" worked.

Willi

| 248|248|2012-12-18 05:54:33|wilserv_41|New line for my "STARTUP" file|

Hi!

I've added a new line to my "STARTUP" file. It is:
TMODE .0 EOF=1A

This allows the escape key to get through to a user program. I need this because I'm attempting to convert a 6502 ProDOS program that I use a lot to 6809. Too used to using the escape key to learn using some other key.

By the way, if you specify "eof=1a" you will see "SYNTAX ERROR". Apparently, the letters A to F, when used to specify hexadecimal values, must be in upper case.

Willi

| 249|3|2012-12-19 02:11:53|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 250|250|2012-12-19 02:43:27|wilserv_41|Discoveries resulting from playing with "KEYPR"|

Hi!

I wrote "KEYPR" after discovering that pressing the escape key wasn't getting through to a program I was working on. Playing with "KEYPR" revealed that some keys, pressed at the same time as the control key, weren't generating expected values. It turns out that, to make up for the lack of the "{", "}", "|", "\", "[" and "]" keys on the ][ and ][ Plus, there is logic in the 6502 side of OS-9 for the Apple ][ to generate these ASCII characters from other keys. This translation is not needed for models of the Apple ][ after the Plus. And, IMHO, unwanted.

I was able to kill the translation by using "DEBUG". An attempt to do this with a very simple program was a failure. Even more puzzling was how "DEBUG" hung up when I tried to find out why this very simple program wouldn't work. Stay tuned for further developments...

Willi

| 251|251|2013-01-14 21:09:30|dcvdm|6809 Kitt started in school(1982)|

Hello all, i am from Belgium.

I can not trow away my 6809 kitt i start making for the first time years ago in school. Every 2 year i get out of the box and contignue adding hw( RTC chip, new LCD display) and code in assembler. As this is difficult to restart every time i am wondering if there exist win7 programs i could use instead of those old on my dos pc?
For example an assembler compatible with my current code in meta16 assembler, an win7 rs232 terminal interface and maybe a pascal compiler that could run on my win7 desktop.

Many thanks in advance for any help with keeping my 6809 kitt alive.

Dirk De Coppel

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 254|254|2013-01-28 22:39:39|wilserv_41|File just uploaded was the wrong one..|

Hi!

...so it was deleted.

Willi

| 255|3|2013-01-28 22:48:26|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809 |

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 256|256|2015-09-13 23:22:08|w4pk1|Excell 9 card|

Hello everyone, glad to see this message group is alive and well,

Question regarding the excell 9 card, will it boot OS 9? I was always under the impression it was a clone of the Stellation Mill.

Ted.

| 257|256|2015-09-14 00:20:45|Bill Garber|Re: Excell 9 card|

| 258|256|2015-09-14 00:22:39|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

| 259|256|2015-09-14 01:46:12|w4pk1|Re: Excell 9 card|

That was me that bought it. ;O)

I will post clear pictures of it once I get it.

| 260|256|2015-09-14 02:33:03|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

| 261|256|2015-09-14 03:29:38|w4pk1|Re: Excell 9 card|

Attachments :

Excel-9_AD.JPG

Oh, sorry,

would be happy to provide any info on it, or lend it to you for documentation purposes.

attached is something I found in the depths of the internet, if you think it belongs here.

| 262|256|2015-09-14 03:31:53|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

| 263|256|2015-09-14 03:37:01|w4pk1|Re: Excell 9 card|

absolutely

| 264|256|2015-09-14 09:00:18|weirdocollector .|Re: Excell 9 card|

Congratulations!!

You beat me on 260â‚¬ :)

I understimeted the card's rarity and value.

Let us know how it works.

Cheers.

Fabio.

| 265|256|2015-09-14 10:32:01|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

There's a group that I started about two years ago that I'd pretty
much forgotten about. It is:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FLEX9/info
There's a neat emulator for Windows called Flexemu. I spent a LOT of
time playing with it then dropped it. Burnout?

Willi

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 3:00 AM, 'weirdocollector .'
weirdocollector@... [Apple6809] <Apple6809@yahoogroups.com wrote:

| 266|3|2015-09-16 03:00:12|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809|

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 269|3|2015-09-18 09:42:28|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809|

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 270|256|2015-09-19 13:09:12|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

I am in great anticipation of getting a look at the content of the
two ROMs on the EXCEL-9 card. I used AppleWin to single step through
the boot code and bypassed the check for the presence of the card.
Aftthe check the code does a jump to location $E000. According to the
writing on the ROMs that can be seen in the image on eBay, that's
where the code in the ROMs lives.

Willi

| 271|256|2015-09-25 01:11:34|w4pk1|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi,

I now have the card, but have never saved a rom image to file , I have an AP-64e burner

if I load the rom image to say $4000 how do I save it to file?

I presume , but I am nor sure of what length to specify, they are 2732 roms

BSAVE filename,Aaddr,Llen

| 272|256|2015-09-25 01:18:09|Bill Garber|Re: Excell 9 card|

A 2732 is a 4K eprom, so it would be:

BSAVE filename, A$4000, L4096 ,or,
L$1000 in hexidecimal.

Please email it to me, I'd like to see it.

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 273|256|2015-09-25 01:25:47|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

| 274|256|2015-09-25 01:31:25|w4pk1|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi I got the card in good condition and was about to copy the roms, except I just realized I have never done that. I mean never copied to file, I have an an AP-64e eprom writer.

The roms are 2732 so if read the rom into say $4000 can somene give me the syntax to save to a bin file?

it would be

BSAVE filename,Addr,Llen    I just don't know what length to specify.

| 275|256|2015-09-25 01:39:52|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

| 276|256|2015-09-25 04:15:06|w4pk1|Re: Excell 9 card|

Attachments :

EXCEL9roms.DSK

| 277|277|2015-09-25 06:47:40|Bill Garber|Re: Excell 9 card [1 Attachment]|

Thanks. Change the attribute from $4000 to $E000
for the first ROM, and from $4000 to $F000 for the
2nd one. That way all of the jumps go to the right
places.

I was looking around my hard drive and found an
SDK image that contained a 140K DSK image for
the Excel-9 card, but I lost it again. LOL I am in
the process of trying to find it again.

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 278|256|2015-09-25 07:04:10|Bill Garber|Re: Excell 9 card|

Attachments :

excelflex9_sdk.zip

Ok, I found it. Here it is attached.... I hope!!!

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 279|277|2015-09-25 08:10:49|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

| 280|256|2015-09-25 10:31:24|Bill Garber|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi,

Maybe the 6809 takes over the system. It is possible.

Yah, I wondered where I got it. 8
Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 281|256|2015-09-25 12:36:49|w4pk1|Re: Excell 9 card|

it does take over the system, I tried posting some pictures but I think they were too big. Will upload smaller

resolution pictures. I got it to boot the flex disk. But yes it takes over the computer and boots into a "monitor" and asks for a command, typing L (for load?) and return boots the floppy, but have not figured out if there is a command to exit the monitor.

| 282|256|2015-09-25 17:51:01|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

| 283|256|2015-09-25 18:41:42|Jack Rubin|Re: Excell 9 card|

I know the feeling - it sucks not to be able to get to your tools! I wonder if DOS-Box would work for something like that? Luckily I still have desktop I can use but when I'm traveling with my Chromebook, I feel kind of helpless!

Jack

| 284|256|2015-09-25 18:57:49|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

| 285|256|2015-09-25 19:01:06|w4pk1|Re: Excell 9 card|

windows xp laptops on ebay are incredubly cheap

can use AVG free virus controll on Windos XP.

here is an example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Compaq-NX9030-15-Laptop-Pentium-M-1-5GHz-512MB-40GB-HDD-Windows-XP-/221849548009?hash=item33a74374e9

| 286|3|2015-09-27 04:54:25|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809|

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w4pk1 <globalstrategy@...| 287|256|2015-09-27 06:38:19|Willi Kusche|Re: Excell 9 card|

Hi!

| 288|3|2015-09-27 06:43:55|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809|

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 289|3|2015-09-27 07:15:56|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809|

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 290|290|2015-09-27 10:20:19|wilserv_41|FLEXible goal|

Hi, y'all!

Now that I have my tools back I think I can mention what I hope to accomplish. First, reverse engineer the code in the 8196 bytes of ROM. And, the code in the "APFLEX.SYS" file. Then, get Flex running on the Stellation Mill/Freed 6809 card. Finally, using hard drives or the flash media equivalent. Impossible? Could be, especially with my tendency to jump from project to project.

Willi

P.S. If at all possible, please switch to plain text when originating or responding to messages.

| 291|290|2015-09-27 10:51:52|Bill Garber|Re: FLEXible goal|

Hey Willi,

I had thought about burning the roms and putting them onto my
Apple II+ ROM Board, then I would install my Freed 6809
card and see if it would run like that. Failing that, burn them
onto 2732 Eproms and put them on a ROM card, and try that.

However, I also have that 'Restless Project' syndrome.

I'm in the process of thinning out my junk, I mean, stuff right now.
Some people may find what I am doing to be inappropriate, but,
1-800-GOTJUNK takes everything and anything, so any computer
things that I don't want, they are taking. They've already taken my
TI-99 stuff, except for the boxes of computers, unless they are empty.
I am planning to let them take the Commodores and peripherals, being
I haven't used them since I got them. I'll make further decisions on
some of the hold-overs before they come back for another load.
I have many loads of old hard drives, and CD/DVD drives, and
ZIP drives, and they might all go, too.

I'm keeping the Atari, both computers and games.

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 292|290|2015-09-27 13:17:53|Willi Kusche|Re: FLEXible goal|

Hi!

| 293|293|2015-09-28 03:44:29|wilserv_41|Reverse engineering the ROMs|

Hi!

I now have semi-usable source for the ROMs. The ROMs have a 6809 monitor with a dis-assembler among the goodies. But, it's looking as if they do NOT have what it takes to run Flex. I hope I'm wrong about that. Stay tuned...

Willi

| 294|293|2015-09-28 08:24:14|Robert Justice|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

Have you seen the 6809 Flex adaption guide? (this details how to setup Flex for different systems)

http://www.flexusergroup.com/flexusergroup/pdfs/6809fadg.pdf

/Rob

| 295|293|2015-09-28 10:32:20|Willi Kusche|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

Hi!

| 296|293|2015-09-28 21:00:56|w4pk1|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

would it help if I made a short video of the card booting? I can put it on my blog?

| 297|293|2015-09-28 21:14:31|Willi Kusche|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

Hi!

| 298|293|2015-09-28 21:34:13|Bill Garber|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

Hello,

Or, perhaps someone could reverse engineer the card and
make a clone. Not necessarily an exact "copy", but similar
to the Freed 6809 card, only one that works like an Excel9.

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 299|293|2015-09-29 01:51:41|w4pk1|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

I made a video of booting up, cat and newdisk

sorry for the shake, can't find my tripid.... here is the link

Picasa Web Albums - Global Strategy - September 28,...


			Picasa Web Albums - Global Strategy - September 28,... Photos by Global Strategy, Sep 28, 2015
			View on picasaweb.google.com	Preview by Yahoo

| 300|293|2015-09-29 02:52:22|Willi Kusche|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

Hi!

| 301|293|2015-09-29 02:58:37|Jack Rubin|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

Very cool â€“ sometimes stuff you get on eBay actually works!

Congratulations â€“

Jack

From: Apple6809@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Apple6809@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 6:52 PM
To: Apple6809@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Apple6809] Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs

I made a video of booting up, cat and newdisk

sorry for the shake, can't find my tripid.... here is the link

Picasa Web Albums - Global Strategy - September 28,...


			Picasa Web Albums - Global Strategy - September 28,... Photos by Global Strategy, Sep 28, 2015
			View on picasaweb.google.com	Preview by Yahoo

| 302|293|2015-09-29 03:51:39|Robert Justice|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

Hi,

Thanks also, nice!.

With the card in, does it always go straight to the Excel monitor?

/Rob

| 303|293|2015-10-01 05:12:38|w4pk1|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

yes, it literally takes over, kind of awkward , have to remove it to do anything else.

if there is a command in the monitor to exit out and boot , have not found it yet.

| 304|293|2015-10-01 19:01:57|Willi Kusche|Re: Reverse engineering the ROMs|

Hi!

| 305|3|2015-10-15 02:48:14|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Hello,

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File : /FLEX/ROMS.LST
Uploaded by : wilserv_41 <a2@... Description : A listing generated by using the FLEXemu emulator to assemble a source file created by Willi Kusche using a disassembler on the ROMs on the Excel-9 card

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 306|3|2015-10-17 02:25:27|w4pk1|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

does anyone have the windows binaries for flexEMU ?, I can find lots of references, but all the download links have gone stale.

my email is tminchev@...

| 307|3|2015-10-17 02:47:55|Willi Kusche|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Hi!

| 308|3|2015-10-17 07:42:54|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Hi,

Somewhere I have a very huge file from the webpage. It was from ~ Feb 2006.

SHF

| 309|3|2015-10-18 04:22:47|w4pk1|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

AH

thank you.

| 310|3|2015-10-18 22:47:46|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Hello,

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wilserv_41 <a2@...| 311|3|2015-10-18 23:18:40|Bill Garber|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Hi Willi,

What is the difference between the two archives?

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 312|3|2015-10-18 23:44:08|Willi Kusche|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Hi!

| 313|3|2015-10-19 01:15:35|Bill Garber|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

Hi Willi,

Ok... Not only does this not say that the other didn't have them,
it does not suggest whether both archives are needed or not. 8
I do want you to know that I appreciate all that you do for us.

Thank you,

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 314|3|2015-10-21 21:17:31|w4pk1|Re: New file uploaded to Apple6809|

I was wondering where the binaries were.

thank you for the follow up.

they are no where else to be found.

| 315|315|2016-03-31 22:54:39|wilserv_41|Daughter card for the Mill|

Hi!

We have a new member who seems confident that he can recreate a daughter card for the Mill card. He outlined his plans for doing so in a series of private messages to me as a result of my welcoming him to the group. I requested that he re-post those messages here. Hopefully, those messages will soon follow.

Willi

| 316|316|2016-03-31 23:08:47|Apple6809@yahoogroups.com|New poll for Apple6809|

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the Apple6809 group:

Ownership of a Mill co-processor card

Created by: wilserv_41

Thanks!

| 317|315|2016-03-31 23:25:50|linvjw|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

A clone of the OS-9 card? Or something new and different?

John

| 318|315|2016-04-01 00:03:56|Willi Kusche|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hi!

| 319|315|2016-04-01 04:38:52|Willi Kusche|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hi!

Here's a link to images of both sides of the daughter board:
http://www.hackzapple.com/THEMAS/M2/COPROC/XL6809MODULE.JPG

Willi

| 320|315|2016-04-01 05:00:44|Bills Mail|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hi Willi,

I assume that this will not work on the clone 6809 card
which was devised several years ago. I'll dig mine out
and have a look, and upload pics of it so you can see.

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 321|315|2016-04-01 05:33:22|Willi Kusche|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Bill wrote:
The Freed clone card was designed with the logic of the Mill's
daughter board built in.

Willi

| 322|315|2016-04-01 05:36:02|Bills Mail|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Ok... So, did you ever get OS-9 to run on it?

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 323|315|2016-04-01 06:30:53|Willi Kusche|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hi!

| 324|315|2016-04-01 12:10:26|Robert Justice|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Attachments :

mame_os9.JPG

apple2_mame_roms.zip

Hi,

That's great to hear. I had a go at making the memory mapper board but did not get it to work, and never got back to it...

On a related note, the latest Mame(now includes the Mess emulator in the one package) has the Mill card memory map corrected and set as the default config, so you can boot OS9 in Apple II emulation now :-). See attached pic.

1. Download from here:
http://mamedev.org/

2.You need apple rom images in the roms folder, I have attached the ones for the II and IIe. unzip into the roms folder.

3. Then i run it from the command line like this:

have fun

/Rob

| 325|315|2016-04-01 15:38:27|Bills Mail|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

The Write-Protect didn't help at all? I kind of recall back when
you were working on that, but, I don't have all the details. I still
have the images and the real disks that I made from them, but
I am not sure if the disks are any good. Guess I can try messing
with it again later on today, but, I can't promise anything. I have
many other things that I need and want to do, mostly need. 8<(

Did Alex Freed do anything with it, by any chance?

Bill Garber * http://www.sepa-electronics.com *

| 326|315|2016-04-03 20:00:38|oracolo37|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hello,

I'm the one.

I'm working on a replica of the The Mill daughterboard that remaps 6502<-| 327|315|2016-04-04 02:47:46|Robert Justice|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hi Mario,

Great that you have progressed so far on this, looking forward to your next update.

/Rob

| 328|315|2016-04-04 21:09:49|oracolo37|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hello,

I have problems understanding how this Yahoo thing works so if this is a replica of a message I tried to send before, I apologize.

Just a line to say that my daughterboard WORKS.
I have OS/9 running on my apple II.

I've been working all day on this and it's late, I'm tired and I want to go partying , so I'll update You all tomorrow.

Cheers
Mario

| 329|315|2016-04-04 21:45:06|oracolo37|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hello,

good news, my doughterboard works.

I have OS9 running on my apple II; I'll update You all tomorrow, I've been working on this all day UV printing, acid etching and drilling the PCB then soldering, correcting errors etc., I'm tired and It's late, I'll go partying !!!!

Cheers
Mario

| 330|315|2016-04-05 12:29:24|oracolo37|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hello,

I've been able to run the "Primes" BASIC09 program on my The Mill board with my daughterboard.

What I see is that:

1) only two OS disk images of all those circulating on the internet work
2) one of the good images has some OS/9 native commads corrupted
3) some of the corrupted commands work if loaded from other non booting disk images
4) BASIC09 is one of the above, corrupted on the booting disk and good in a non booting disk; this got me really confused since the OS continued to show a #215 error while attempting to run BASIC09 from the boot disk.
5) OS/9 works in 40 col mode and in 80 col mode with my 80 col videx clone card

what I'm going to do:

a) create the final PCB
b) make order in the documentation
c) pictures
d) recreate a goot boot disk

........

Cheers
Mario

| 331|315|2016-04-05 14:54:12|Robert Justice|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Great stuff Mario, well done.

looking forward to some pictures.

/Rob

| 332|315|2016-04-06 09:52:14|oracolo37|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Attachments :

P1010136.JPG

P1010135.JPG

Hello,

here are a couple of pictures.

A full report by the end of the week.

Cheers
Mario

| 333|315|2016-04-09 20:23:10|oracolo37|Re: Daughter card for the Mill|

Hello,

here is a link of a better report:

Stellation Two "THE MILL" 6809 card, daughterboard and OS/9 | Applefritter


			Stellation Two "THE MILL" 6809 card, daughterb... Hello, I recently had the chance to buy a Stellation Two "THE MILL" 6809 card on ebay (the collectors "sancta santorum"!) and install it in my A...
			View on www.applefritter.com	Preview by Yahoo

Cheers
Mario (a nick name)

| 334|334|2016-04-17 17:34:32|oracolo37|Request to original THE MILL card owners|

Hello,

I see by the poll that we are a total of 5 owners of THE MILL cards. Excluding me, there are 4 THE MILL cards out there and I don't know how many original (not Alex Freed version).

I've been in contact with a guy from the other side of the world that had a 48z02 Zero Power ram installed in the 2716/32 expansion rom socket and I wrote a 6502/6809 software combination that backups the THE MILL ram/eprom content to a floppy.

Unfortunately his 40Z02 did not contain anything; most probably the battery cell went exhausted.

If You have an expansion eprom/rom/ram installed and wish to share its content with the community and/or just have a backup and try to understand what's in it, please contact me and I'll send You the floppy image with instructions.

Just note that Eproms do not live forever, they have an average life of 20 years and if not copied, the content will be lost forever; at the same time a piece of computing history would be lost.

Thank You
Best Regards
Mario

| 335|334|2016-04-19 09:46:35|Robert Justice|Re: Request to original THE MILL card owners|

Hi,

I assumed this poll was for the original card. Maybe we should have created two polls for this, one for the original version and one for the clone one.

I have one of each. I purchased one of Alex's clone first, and then an original revB from eBay some time later.

I would be interested in one of your memory mapping boards.

/Rob

Sent from my iPad

| 336|334|2016-04-19 17:51:03|oracolo37|Re: Request to original THE MILL card owners|

Hello Robert,

please contact me at oracolo37@... for details.

Thank You
Mario

| 337|334|2016-05-14 03:04:35|w4pk1|Re: Request to original THE MILL card owners|

I too have an original card, Are you doing upgrades on them Mario?

Ted.

| 338|334|2016-05-14 20:15:42|oracolo37|Re: Request to original THE MILL card owners|

Hello,

I answered via PM.

Thanks

Mario

| 339|339|2016-06-17 00:55:33|Mark D. Overholser|Hello, a New Member here..|

Hello All:

I got approved to this Group back in APR ( 2016 ), but I haven't
introduced myself.

I am Mark D. Overholser, a Long Time Apple ][ user, ( JAN-1982 ), and
only recently have I been interested in the Motorola 6809 ( and Motorola
68008 ).

I don't have a Mill Card, but in the past few years have become a CoCo
Owner.. I have One CoCo 3, Two CoCo2s, and a 4K CoCo 1.

At some point I am sure I can acquire a Mill Card, or a Clone on it, but
in the meantime, I am trying to build this card:
http://www.appleii-box.de/H061E_MC68008pageEN.htm

With these and a few more that came from China, that hopefully work...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153646248720960&set=pb.575680959.-2207520000.1466117310.&type=3&theater

And see if I can get OS-9 68K to Boot on the Apple ][.

MarkO

| 340|339|2016-06-17 04:20:46|Willi Kusche|Re: Hello, a New Member here..|

Hi!

| 341|339|2016-06-17 06:15:27|Mark D. Overholser|Re: Hello, a New Member here..|

On 6/16/16 19:14, Willi Kusche a2@... [Apple6809] wrote:
I will have to look into Apex/XPL0... Is it Command Line only, or does
it have a Graphic Shell?? The Amiga has way better Graphics than the
Apple ][, so there might be a few limitations...

I actually have ALL the Hardware, including Five, MCM68008s, in plastic
Packages, All the Way from Hong Kong, plus the Two that came from
Germany, made in France..

I just need to Make up a Proto Board with ALL the Parts, or Learn
Eagle/KiCAD/Copper-Connection or some other Program to generate a PC Board.

MarkO

| 342|339|2016-06-17 06:39:43|Robert Justice|Re: Hello, a New Member here..|

Sounds interesting Mark. I've also looked at that board and thought about making one. I've only got as far as printing out the article and having a read a few times. I have 68008 that came from an old equipment board that i can use.

Let us know if you progress any on this.

/Rob

| 343|343|2016-06-19 02:03:20|Mark D. Overholser|The Mill owners using the Hitachi 6309??|

Anyone here swap out their 6809 for a 6309???

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_6309
This is a popular mod for the Tandy CoCo "crowd"....

MarkO

| 344|343|2016-06-19 02:35:50|Willi Kusche|Re: The Mill owners using the Hitachi 6309??|

Hi!

| 345|343|2016-06-20 02:22:32|Robert Justice|Re: The Mill owners using the Hitachi 6309??|

oh, that's interesting Willi.
I bought a couple of supposed HD63C09E's from china, and i have tried one of these in my Mill card and it does not work.

I have a home brew 6809 board that uses the non 'E' version, I'll try one in there and see if it works.

/Rob

| 346|343|2016-06-20 04:40:18|Mark D. Overholser|Re: The Mill owners using the Hitachi 6309??|

On 6/18/16 17:34, Willi Kusche a2@... [Apple6809] wrote:
Whatever works....

It appears The Mill uses the 6809E, ( External Crystal ), like the Tandy
CoCos do... So a 6309E would be the Correct One... Some of the
suppliers in China aren't on the Up-and-Up...

That is why after I ordered some 68008s in Plastic, I decided to get a
couple in Ceramic, with "a pedigree", for Testing..

MarkO

| 347|347|2016-10-06 00:07:57|w4pk1|AE transwarp II|

I know this is off topic but I am desperate

would anyone here have a copy of AE Transwarp II rom, either version 1.0 or 1.1

what little I can find on the net seems to be no good.

| 348|347|2016-10-06 00:25:28|snhirsch5|Re: AE transwarp II|

IIRC, the Transwarp II was their RocketChip based accelerator that was almost immediately pulled off the market due to legal action from ZipChip. Don't know anyone who's even seen one of those, much less has the ROM image.

| 349|347|2016-10-06 03:10:02|sean.fahey@sbcglobal.net|Re: AE transwarp II|

I have three TWII boards (all 1.0)... ReactiveMicro should have a dump of the 1.0 ROM in their archives, and we might have 1.1.

| 350|347|2016-10-06 08:18:38|laurieboshell2004|Re: AE transwarp II|

Have you checked here:
http://www.downloads.reactivemicro.com/Public/Apple%20II%20Items/ROM_and_JEDEC/TransWarp/

Laurie

| 351|347|2016-10-06 12:48:06|sean.fahey@sbcglobal.net|Re: AE transwarp II|

Those ROMs are for the original Transwarp not the Transwarp II.

| 352|347|2016-10-07 03:27:10|w4pk1|Re: AE transwarp II|

I checked, reactive micro have bad copies , those guys are realy busy , would you be able to make me a copy?

if it s bother no worries, it's just I have a dead card and its killing me. ;o(

Ted.

| 353|353|2017-01-15 11:18:00|sfischer194087|Has it been done?|

See:

Stellation Two "THE MILL" 6809 card, daughterboard and OS/9 | Applefritter


			Stellation Two "THE MILL" 6809 card, daughterb... Hello, I recently had the chance to buy a Stellation Two "THE MILL" 6809 card on ebay (the collectors "sancta santorum"!) and install it in my A...
			View on www.applefritter.com	Preview by Yahoo

| 354|353|2017-01-15 15:47:18|laurieboshell2004|Re: Has it been done?|

Hi Luca,

Congratulations on working out what the daughter card does.

I have one of the Mill cards that I used for the Pascal speedup kit.

I was able to upload the original disks some years ago when the search

began.

Can you give me any details on the daughter card?. I would like to see

OS-9 on my Apple II. I have an ulterior motive: I'm looking for the

source for Dynasoft Pascal what was released for the 6809. I've

lucked out on finding it for the Apple II.

I can etch the PCB if needed.

Laurie

| 355|353|2017-01-15 17:19:42|Willi Kusche|Re: Has it been done?|

Hi!

| 356|353|2017-01-15 22:40:40|Jason Burke|Re: Has it been done?|

The pictures I see show a 6809E, handful of discrete 74LS logic chips, and a 2716 EPROM. No PALs, GALs, or PLAs. Even if there were PALs, GALs, or PLAs, they are all SPLDs from the 1980s and are generally simple to duplicate, even if the protection fuses are blown.

Reversing and reproducing a Stellation Mill card doesn't look like a difficult job for the motivated hobbyist with some electronic skills.

If one were going to the trouble of making a card today, I don't see any reason not to use the more powerful Hitachi 63C09. Even without software support for the extra registers and instructions, a ~10% speed improvement can be had by running it in native mode.

Jason

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:19 AM, "Willi Kusche a2@... [Apple6809]"

ï»¿

Hi,

You do realize that I posted the link and "Luca" may not be a member!

I said on the Facebook CoCo page that this group had not gotten it working and got a post back with a link that I posted here.

There appears to not be a membership list available to members so I cannot check.

SHF

| 358|353|2017-01-15 23:22:07|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Has it been done?|

People on the CoCo list are designing circuits, laying out the PCB boards with the same software, ordering samples and then selling populated boards.

PLA(?) chips are easy with the skills of some of those people.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2359462640/?fref=ts

--------------------------

On the "FLEX User Group" page:

http://www.flexusergroup.com/flexusergroup/fug7.htm

From (c) Allan G. Jost
(Dynasoft Pascal, Dyna-C, DynaForm, and DynaStar)
Right below is:

From (c) Bud Pass:
Who wrote great disassembler software which a member of the CoCo group has all that he produced.

The website where I may have listed Pascal is offline but I have hope that it will return. I could search again if necessary.

http://www.brutaldeluxe.fr/projects/cassettes/dynasoft/index.html

Is for the Apple.

I know that I get great results from Google "Dynasoft Pascal" and other searches, are others not getting the same? Google IS just a few miles to the North and West from me but that should not matter.

SHF

| 359|353|2017-01-15 23:25:19|Willi Kusche|Re: Has it been done?|

Hi!

| 360|353|2017-01-15 23:38:01|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Has it been done?|

OK, My memory must be failing, I just remember bad words. Sorry.

I was shocked to read the post on Facebook that it was running.

Have fun!

SHF

| 361|353|2017-01-16 01:12:03|laurieboshell2004|Re: Has it been done?|

Hi all,

Luca: Not a member? somehow I got an email notification.

On checking it was sent to me via AppleFritter. I don't quite

understand why!

My post to this group might have been ambiguous.

I was referring to etching the PCB for the small daughter

board for the Mill that has 2 (or 3) DIL sockets or plugs.

This board re-maps 6809 memory to allow OS-9 on the

Apple II.

Dynasoft PAscal: I purchased this in 1982 from Arnie Lee

of Abacus Software. The manual stated that the source

was available, I sent a cheque only to receive a second

copy of the product (not the source). Life intervened and

I never chased it up.

I am aware of the earlier discussions on this board about

the Mill card. Yes, google is your friend: For those interested,

the 6809 disks (no compiler source) can be downloaded

from here: (scroll down to the pascal heading)

http://www.evenson-consulting.com/swtpc/fufu_downloads.htm

I'll chase Luca on AppleFritter.

Laurie

| 362|353|2017-01-16 01:42:14|Stephen H. Fischer|Re: Has it been done?|

ï»¿

My mind has finally realized that I did not state what was done, I was told YES on Facebook when I said NO.

OS-9 Level - I running on the apple.

On the AppleFritter page:

because of the lack of information and also due to the fact that a lot of OS/9 disk images that are published on the internet are broken.

So he must have found a good OS-9 image or generated one for his use.

----------------------------

As far as Pascal I found:

Pascal15.dsk

DynaSoft Pascal 1.5 w/runtime source

in the http://www.flexusergroup.com/flexusergroup/fugdfhl.htm

FLEX unlike OS-9 is a single user with fixed addresses for I/O, OS-9 programs for Level - I should run on any OS-9 Level - I system but FLEX versions will not perhaps. Still the source should help. (I installed FLEX on a SYM-1 with the 6809 CPU replacement board for the 6505 CPU. (SN00000001, I badgered Synertek and even had to get a eprom down the street at Halted to take to Synertek to program to fix the board.)

-------------------------------------------

style="WORD-SPACING: normal"

Neither do I unless he IS a member of [Apple6809 group at Yahoo].

I see no posts after April 10, 2016 - 8:25am on AppleFritter

Checking all the posts I have received back from [Apple6809 group at Yahoo] none have any reference to AppleFritter.

Some one needs to sign up for AppleFritter and ask him for the good OS-9 Level - I disk for the apple.

But my mind is now on the Packers so I still may be saying bad things.

SHF

| 363|353|2017-01-16 04:18:25|Mark D. Overholser|Re: Has it been done?|

On 1/15/2017 15:43, 'Stephen H. Fischer' SFischer1@...
[Apple6809] wrote:
<< SNIP
<< SNIP

I asked Luca, ( on Apple Fritter ) if he had a link to the working OS-9
disk..

MarkO

| 364|364|2019-10-24 13:10:00|wilserv_41|End of the line|

Hi, y'all!

Starting December 14, 2019 Yahoo Groups will no longer host user created content on its sites. Well, I'm not waiting for them to pull the plug. As soon as I complete backing up all the files, this group will be terminated.

Willi

Group "owner"

| 365|364|2019-10-24 14:29:04|Wouter de Waal|Re: End of the line|

Hi Will

Yea, that's the problem with relying on free servers and services.

Will you be putting the archive somewhere people can get at it?

W

| 366|364|2019-10-26 01:09:13|w4pk1|Re: End of the line|

move over to google groups?

| 367|364|2019-10-29 22:42:16|snhirsch5|Re: End of the line|

Hi, Willi.

Is there any way for me to get a tarball of the files section? Life is too short to download one at a time.

| 368|364|2019-10-30 15:15:16|John W. Linville|Re: End of the line|

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 01:15:38PM +0000, snhirsch@... [Apple6809] wrote:
+1

--
John W. Linville Someday the world will need a hero, and you
linville@... might be all we have. Be ready.