Dont' see any posts yet so I thought I'd kick it off with a question.
What experience does anyone have with 40-60 Winchester round in a lever
gun. Also interested in 38-56. Thanks.

Howdy Rick and the Outfi!

Another great idea. Love the levers. Have several from .25-20 to .45-70. Load for all of them. Seems that cowboy action shooters can't get enough of them.

Duane ("Tioga") SASS 1552, BCVC 3

Walnut Creek, CA

--- Jim Patric <jimpa@... Dont' see any posts yet so I thought I'd kick it off
with a question. What experience does anyone have with
40-60 Winchester round in a lever gun. Also interested
in 38-56. Thanks.
--------------------------------------------- I have just the slightest experience with the .38-56
in a Winchester Model 1886 owned by a friend years
ago, using smokeless loadings.

My summary impression was that the .38-56 was and is
a relatively closerange hunting cartridge (which of
course is exactly what it was designed to be), and
that if I had the option of choice, I'd be
better-equipped to borrow his .40-82 Model 1886.

I'd add, we made the .38-56 WCF from .45-70 cases
and this with the case-lubes we had was more difficult
than it should have been. At that time (1950s), we
had the old, heavy extrusion-oil sold by RCBS and it
was very easy to get oil dents and creases when
forming. This probably can be avoided today if one
uses the Rooster Labs type 56 radical case-forming
lube....

Paladin

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Thought I'd let you know what I am doing just for fun. I am arming up
to shoot NRA lever action silhouette rifles.
While I uave a superb Marlin Cowboy in 38-55 fro big bore (Superb gun
not the shooter) I may need a different pistol caliber rifle. Right now
I am developing 45 Colt loads for my 1894 Marlin Cowboy rifle for use
out to 100 meters to see if I can improve on that CAS load. It's 5.5
grains of Red Dot (or American Select) and a 250 grain commercial cast
bullet.
Because of recent gun trading/selling I wound up with a spare Marlin 45
Cowboy Rifle n 45 colt and am tempted to have it relined to 38-40 for
NRA Cowboy Lever Action Silhouettes. Can't rebarrel the gun per NRA
rules so all the tweaking that's allowed outside of shooting original
barrels is relining or reboring (I guess you would have no trouble with
a factory rebarrel because that's an original manufacture barrel).
I called Redman and there was something he didn't like about relining
the large 45 bore so his price jumped from $170 to $250 or $275. Lee
Shaver will install a TJs forged liner for $250. Why do I want to do
this with a perfectly good 45 Colt rifle? Just because.
Ant thoughts , Load info for 100 meters 45 Colt or 38-40?

I sent my 38-40 Win 73 to Redman for relining and am expecting it any
day now. The cartridge carrier is pretty worn and probably should be
replaced. Any suggested sources of either new or original carriers for
the 73?

Bull Schmitt

You can check with the Cowboys and Indian store
www.cowboysandindianstore.com. I heard thay are making a lightened
carrier with a shorter stroke. If you want to get tricky.

Anyone know if the Lever rifles sold by Cabela's are worth the $$$? Been
looking at something in the lines of the 73' but not sure yet,

As I understand the 66. 73 and Henry's are Uberti and excellent
quality good shooters.

I bought a 73 from Cabela's about 4 years ago and it was really nice.
Cabela's was siting on allot of rifles so they were blowing them out at
$599.99. I got it in .45 colt and boy was it accurate. Bye the way I
might as well introduce myself. I got on this list about a month ago and
have several lever actions mostly pistol calibers and Sharps 1874 rifles
also. The only part of the rifle I didn't like was the stamp with
Cabela's name stamp on it it looked like they used a 10 ton stamp on the
barrel. It's really deep. Hope this helps
Steve
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I've been "tinkering" with this gun for some time, especially
regarding heavy lead cast bullets. Thought some of you might be
interested with the latest results. 1/2" groups center-to-center @
50 yds with the LBT 320 grain hard cast over 50 grains of H335.
Haven't chronographed, but all indications are this is a very mild
load. Just guessing at this point, but probably around 1800 fps.

This bullet is superior to both the Lyman 300 grain and the Lee mould
in design. The Lee mould produces a bullet that is extremely wide
at the ogive, and the bullet rubs against the chamber. The Lyman,
although less weight, the crimping groove is too low on the bullet
which results in the cartridge not feeding properly: overall length
being too long. The LBT comes with a double crimping groove which
works, and the Wide Flat Nose (WFNDC) is narrow enough to chamber
without any problems.

Rgds,
Travelr

A friend has the following loading equipment for sale, folks.

Please contact John directly at: dbltap@... if interested.

Rick
Colorado
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I have two Forster case trimmers for sale (see
http://www.forsterproducts.com/Pages/orig_trimmers.htm)
One is bright and shiny and comes with a pilot - $30.00 plus shipping. The
other has surface rust and is missing the pilot - $25.00 plus shipping.

Also, I have an old RCBS Jr. 2 single stage press, $20.00 plus shipping
(it's heavy).

Regards,

John D.
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i still have my firsl rifle my dad got me in 1953 when i was 11 yrs
old.i have gone on to everything have used weatherby's for years and
love them ,ijust took the savage out today and put 50 roungs down
range the first time it has been fired in 39 years.iam going to
canada this fall hunting the savage is going with me,and will be used
for 150 yards and under.
doug cale
foresthill,ca.

i still have my firsl rifle my dad got me in 1953 when i was 11 yrs
old.

Good for you, Doug. Not only is the 99 a fine rifle, and the 300 Savage an adequate cartridge for the ranges you intend, but the sentimental attachment to the rifle will enhance your trip all the more.
Good Hunting!
Tom I.

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Hello neighbor,
I live in Sacramento and have spent many hours hiking around you neck of the
woods looking for turkey sign. I assume your 300 Savage in chambered in a Savage
M99. Yes? There is nothing wrong or deficient with the Savage 300 in a M99.
Just the opposite, it is quite a competitent cartridge. Assuming it is a M99
I'd only suggest you play with Barnes' X-bullet, say around 120-130 grain bullets.
FLAT BASE. If they generate acceptable accuracy you may wish to go this route.
I think you will be quite satisfied with their performance.

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Anyone know of a .41 mag lever rifle? Thought I had seen a new model
listed a while back for the 2004 line up but cant remember which
company it was now.

terrianx

I think there are some original Marlin 1894 round barrel carbines around
as well as a special run made for Davidson's in the Cowboy style with a
20" octagon barrel. Check www.gunsamerica.com etc.

Marlin 1894

No, I don't have one, either. You can usually find one on auction arms or
one of the sites.

Hi,

Don't know of any new models.

The only .41Mag levergun that I'm aware of is a Marlin and it is a
discontinued model.

Regards

Doug

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Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] .41mag lever rifle?

Anyone know of a .41 mag lever rifle? Thought I had seen a new model
listed a while back for the 2004 line up but cant remember which
company it was now.

terrianx

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Check out the latest issue of Shooting Times magazine. On the cover is an
1894, pistol gripped, in 41 magnum that Marlin has just introduced. Should
be available in the not too distant future.
Tom I.

Good spotting Tom. There are actually two for sale on Gunamerica.com.
Must be out.

I stand corrected.

This is good news. The .41 is a really nice cartridge and should perform
very well here as a close range / bushveld hunting rifle. Would be superb
on pigs I reckon.

Doug

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Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] .41mag lever rifle?

Check out the latest issue of Shooting Times magazine. On the cover is an
1894, pistol gripped, in 41 magnum that Marlin has just introduced.

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The .41mag is an awsome hunting class round for medium sized game at
moderate ranges. Much better than the .357 but not as decisive as the
.44mag.

I had a revolver in this caliber back around 1990 and enjoyed shooting
it a lot. It was my dedicated "hog gun" and did a darn fine job.
Ammo was expensive back then, so I am sure its not cheap now.

Anyway a friend of mine was asking me about this caliber in a rifle,
his wife uses a Ruger .41 and wanted a rifle to compliment her setup.

Thanks for all the replies.

terrianx

Been looking for a pistol caliber lever rifle, and want to get some
feedback from owners or previous owners.

I have narrowed my selection down to .357 or .44mag. Will probably
go with the .357 due to the fact that I dont own a .44mag handgun. I
am set up to reload the .38 and .357 so can get a lot of shooting in
with little added expense.

As far as the rifle goes, well thats another story. Been leaning
towards the Marlin 1894 line but have seen some others that look like
good deals. Namely Rossi 92 models or the Puma 92's.

Any suggestions?

terrianx

Just my own personal opinion, but since I have both, I
figure that I might have something worth saying.

The Rossi is cheaper because it is "cheaper." The
workmaship just isn't as good. I'm not trying to say
that they aren't worth having, but if you are looking
for something to shoot on a regular basis, then I
think you'll be happier with the Marlin.

If you are just a casual deer hunter and only take it
out to punch some paper right before the season, then
go ahead and get the Rossi.

If you want to get something that's pretty well made,
has a lot of character, and fun to shoot then you
might look at one of the Italian '73 copies from
Uberti.

I have a beautiful 38-40 and it's a real tack driver.
I've taken a few Pennsylvania white tails with this
rifle and it's just plain fun. I have to be more
careful with shot placement with this one than the
.357 but it works for me and it feel more authentic
when I go against Bambi.

That being said, I eat what I shoot so I don't mind
using the Uberti. If I had to depend on my rifle to
eat then I'd go for the Marlin every time.

TM

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I guess the first question is really "What do you want it for?".

If you are looking for a fast, light fun plinker, by all means get the .357;
I would get a Marlin. Class guns all the way.

If you plan to hunt small animals and use it for (maybe) home defense, I
still say .357.

If you are going to hunt deer, get the .44.

I have a Marlin .44, but I already had .44 pistols, so it fit. I would like
one in .357 also. Actually, I would like a pump in .357 if they are
reliable; I don't know anything about that.
The Marlin 1894 is a ball to shoot, but the design of the stock and
lightness of the gun make the recoil surprisingly objectionable.
I shoot 45/70 in a Handi Rifle, shoot military surplus including Mosin
Nagant carnines, but the little .44 does boot you in the chops with heavy
loads!

--- terrianx <terrianx@... Been looking for a pistol caliber lever rifle, and
want to get some feedback from owners or previous
owners.
I have narrowed my selection down to .357 or .44mag.
Will probably go with the .357 due to the fact that I
dont own a .44mag handgun. I am set up to reload the
.38 and .357 so can get a lot of shooting in with
little added expense.
As far as the rifle goes, well thats another story.
Been leaning towards the Marlin 1894 line but have
seen some others that look like good deals. Namely
Rossi 92 models or the Puma 92's.
Any suggestions?
terrianx
--------------------------------------------
Have Rossi in .357 and .44 Mag., Winchester '92 in
.38-40, Marlins in .25-20 and .32-20, used others in
various calibers.

Overall, am partial to the Rossis: they work okay,
stand up to use okay, shoot accurately (within
leveraction standards), and don't involve much of any
attention beyond the usual chores.

Do not buy any of the replicas of the Winchester
1873 if you plan to use warmer loads: their linkage
system is not strong enough to cope.

The Rossi M'92s in .357 are practical. However, the
smaller the caliber, the more skill is required to
assure humane kills in hunting. The smaller the
caliber, the more one must depend on placement, bullet
design, and bullet construction for effectiveness.

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I've got a Puma '92 with Octagon bbl and brass receiver in .357/38.
It's a pretty gun and it shoots both 38 and 357 very well.
Love the rifle and the wood is pretty to boot.
Lee T/L 158 grn SWC in 38 with w-weights.
Also 180 grn cast in 357 as well as 158 grn jacketed HP in 357 ( might try
it on White tail in close woods-- not sure yet though)

goes with my S&W and Ruger Blackhawk

The PUMA has replaced my 22s ( for the while) in the fun and cheap to shoot
category.
Except unlike the 22s I have to hunt for the brass --
ARNIE

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Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] pistol caliber lever rifle....comments wanted

One of the "best" rifles I ever tramped the wilds of southern Colorado with
was a WInchester 1892 that had been converted to .357 magnum. It carried
well and shot straight.

...looking for another one someday soon.

And that does beg the question as to what are the better brands of
pistol-caliber lever-guns out there today. I've heard the PUMA brand well
reviewed. (I think I'll move up to .45 Colt this time.)

Rick
Colorado
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From: Arnie Talgo [mailto:talgo@...]
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To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] pistol caliber lever rifle....comments
wanted

I've got a Puma '92 with Octagon bbl and brass receiver in .357/38.
It's a pretty gun and it shoots both 38 and 357 very well.
Love the rifle and the wood is pretty to boot.
Lee T/L 158 grn SWC in 38 with w-weights.
Also 180 grn cast in 357 as well as 158 grn jacketed HP in 357 ( might try
it on White tail in close woods-- not sure yet though)

goes with my S&W and Ruger Blackhawk

The PUMA has replaced my 22s ( for the while) in the fun and cheap to
shoot
category.
Except unlike the 22s I have to hunt for the brass --
ARNIE

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I have a Puma in 45 Long Colt that will also shoot a
.454 Casull or maybe that vice-versa. After shooting
a couple hundred of the .454s through it, I had to
take to my gunsmith to tighten up some things that had
shaken loose, but it still works pretty well.

I still like the Marlin design better than the Rossi.
I guess that's why some poeple like Fords better than
Chevy's.

TM
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Lots of the Win 1892s were converted to .347 Mag. and some worked well and others not-so-good-so.. The action design was/is for a bottleneck case and when re-chambered for a straight case other adjustments were needed for reliable feeding. Good gunsmiths made good rifles and still do.
The missing, or not yet mentioned shooter in this link are the Browning B-92s. They were made for the .357 and the .44 Mag and are wonderful short rifles. I believe they were made by Miroku to Browning's design specs. Somewhat rare today as they were a limited production revision of the old Browning patents that made the Winchester 1892 models.
They sometimes do show up on the various gun auction and sale sites. Watch out for shot out throats especially in the 357s which were shot a lot..
tom
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Criminals prefer unarmed victims.

Still looking but here's a few things I found interesting...

Over the years I have browsed the used gun racks of pawn shops and
gun shops alike. One thing I have always found interesting is
firearms that have a higher rate of complaints for various problems
can be found in the used section more frequently.

Besides the well stocked section of 30/30 levers, most of the local
shops had a few used pistol caliber levers for sale. The used guns
in the pistol caliber chambering were the Rossi and Puma models
exclusively. Didnt see a single Winchester or Marlin in the used
lineup. I asked a few of the shop owners if they come across any
used Marlins or Winchesters, most said buying a new one was easier
cause no one was selling their used ones.

Guess this says a lot for the quality of the Marlin and Winchester.
Think I will settle for the Marlin, heard nothing but positive
reports from everyone on them.

Now choosing the caliber... still stuck on that one because I want to
use the rifle on eastern white tail in dense cover and possibly feral
hogs, and enjoy shooting at the range several times a month. Also
will be a house gun if ever needed.

terrianx

I've seen a lot of deer taken in western PA with both
the .357 and 44 Mag's. Both guns will shoot lighter
loads for target plinking 38 Specials and 44 Specials
respectively.

These light calibers can be used for your "house" gun,
but I'm not sure that I'd want to personally. My
walls are thin enough and my neighbors close enough
that a bullet passing through the wall would be a rude
awakening to anyone in the vicinity.

I know that I'm gambling on most bad guys not being
all that bad when I say this, but my house strategy
revolves around a 12 gauge pump and some custom loaded
0 buck shot. I really don't want to discharge my gun
in the house. I wouldn't be able to hear the local
law dogs questions and I don't know sign language. I
also like the fact that my insurance company thinks
that I live in a good neighborhood.

Good luck on your purchase.

TM

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Now that you've decided on a brand, go to their web site,
www.marlinfirearms.com,
and check out the calibers that are available. There are more than just 357
and 44.
Marlin has recently introduced an 1894 in 41 magnum. There are octagon
barreled models in several calibers including 45 Colt. You aren't stuck
with just a short barreled carbine either. Some have 24" barrels. I have
an original in 38-40, a later version in 44 magnum, and a newly acquired 45
Colt. My 44 was bought to be a project gun - I intend to rebarrel it
someday - not sure to waht caliber tho - maybe another 38-40 or maybe to
44-40.
Ain't gun shopping great?
Tom I.

I have an original 38-40 that's still a great shooter.
The action on it is just as smooth as the one on me
357. I'd love to see them reintroduce the caliber
into production along with the 44-40.

Are you listening, Marlin?

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Well, I have become a lever addict, like Tom. I started out with a
Marlin Cowboy with a 24 inch octagon barrel in 45 Colt. A great gun,
accurate and the large hole in the barrel seemed to off set the longer
barrel. For me it balances perfectly and is accurate out to 100 yards. I
haven't tried it farther. These guns in 45 Colt seem to be reasonably
priced used. I purchased two more near new for $400 and $425. I would
watch the classified ads on the SASS wire www.sassnet.com The single
action shooting society's web site. Lots of Cowboy Action Shooters have
these and there is always one for sale on there it seems.
The second 45 I bought with the idea of convering it to a 38-40 for
shooting with black powder and for long range events. I used a Green
Mountain barrel ( $135- Tapered octagon) and had a gunsmith convert it.
Great gun and a real tack driver. Green Mountain barrels are excellent
and the gun is a very fine shooter.
I wanted to shoot NRA Silhouettes for leveractions and was going to use
the converted 38-40 with the Green Mountain barrel but alas, I
discovered the rules forbid rebarreling your gun although you can reline
and rebore a barrel. When I found a near new 45 Colt again, I bit and I
sent it off to get it relined in 38-40. Its' not back yet so when it is
I will be very interested it comparing it to the rebarreled gun in 38-40
and see how close they are in accuracy.
Then like a true addict, I found a new in box 44-40 version of the
Marlin Cowboy rifle with a 24 inch barrel and you know what? I had to
get it. Great wood for Marlin and they are out of production. A warning
though, they do something funny on the 44magnum and 44-40 barrels The
twist rate is 1-38 as opposed to about 1-16 on their other lever guns in
45 and 357. The result was the 44-40 seems much more picky to load for
and much more choosey about the bullets fed it. I am not through testing
it though but I don't really trust it not to do something odd. Just
doesn't seem as steady as the others guns. I don't know what the 100
meter performance will be.
The 357 24 inch Cowboy Marlin guns are harder to come by these days with
Marlin concentrating on their short 38 spl Competition rifle, so when I
found one the other day, I also just picked it up.
What in the heck do I want with all these guns? well. The 45 Colt will
remain my CAS main match rifle. The Green Mountain converted 38-40 will
be the CAS longrange side match rifle and something to use when I feel
like shooting 38-40 in the main match.
I will thoroughly test the .357, 38-40 reline and the 44-40 and when I
discover which is best for the NRA long range lever action matches I
will use that rifle and set it up with the proper sights.
The two that are left, I may sell. Particularly if they prove not to be
accurate. Intresting thing for silhouettes is you need to knock down
that ram at 100 meters. A heavy .357 bullet is 180 grains to maybe 200
grains. The standard 38-40 bullet that shot well for me is the 180 grain
bullet and a SAECO 190. The standard bullet for the 44-40 is a 200
grainer and with that 1-38 twist I don't know how much of a bigger
bullet could be stabilized. I guess the bottom line is how much
difference is there in the three guns when you load the .357 with a
heavier bullet? Not much would be my guess. The .357 is al little
cheaper and easier to load for than the 38-40 and the 44-40 but then it
isn't a big bore and it is not a traditonal lever action caliber. It was
my last choice but then I also want a really accurarte gun for the
silhouettes so pragmatic concerns are paramount.
There is is lever actions owners anonymous. Sign me up..

--- Roger <simon_d_pieman@... my house strategy revolves around a 12 gauge pump and
some customloaded 0 buck shot. I really don't want to
discharge my gun in the house. I wouldn't be able to
hear the local law dogs questions and I don't know
sign language.
---------------------------------------------
You will be happy to know then, that in recent years
a few firms have begun to do a nice business in
(legally) suppressing SHOTGUNS. Some of these show up
occasionally at Knob Creek, Kentucky shoots. So,
y'see, there's a solution for every problem.......

Paladin

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Since I picked up the PUMA in 357-- I've had a lot of fun shooting it.
There are only a few things I'd quibble with on quality-- the magazine
follower is plastic-- and an ugly plastic color to boot. There is a machine
nick in the wood in the nose cap fitting up.

I got the brass receiver and hardware because it's a much nicer looking gun
than the blued and I liked the octagon bbl.
I don't plan on an awful lot of full house loads--so I am not overly
concerned about strength considerations on the brass receiver.
However it takes full house WW296/2400 and unique loads with no apparent
problems as I work up a deer load in 180grn lead fp and 158/170 and 180grm
jacketed. They all shoot very nicely too and I can't make up my mind which
load would be best for NY Tug Hill white tail.

It's a tough choice-- been there-- and I made a lot of trips looking before
I got the PUMA. What sold me on the PUMA is that one of the local gun shops
had a PUMA in the brass --but in 45 colt for a cowboy action customer. I
looked it over very carefully-- nice workmanship, wood and fit. Compared it
to new Marlins and Winchesters on the rack too. Said to Frank-- "aw heck--
gemme one of these in 357"

I'm a lefty--so a lever gun is a good thing.

My next lever rifle will likely be a Marlin cowboy in 45/70 octagon bbl.
I like the longer bbl that's offered in that model as well as the classic
looks-- although it not entirely period correct.

When the War Dept. advises that there may be a surplus in operating funds--
I'll be back on the list to find out more about the Marlin Cowboy in 45/70.

Tough choice
ARNIE

Arnie,

Know what ya mean by having to rely on the "War Department" for
funding request. I was just informed by my "War Department" that it
hasnt been a full year since my last "Equipment Purchase" was made
and at this time there is no "National Emergency" to justify
another "equipment upgrade".

Guess I will have fall back to the "special intrest Lobby tactic" for
a while then bring the issue back to council.

Still looking at the Marlin and leaning towards the .357.

terrianx

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Hi all,

My name is Doug and I live in the Johannesburg area in South Africa.

I am a firearms enthusiast, with Lever Actions being my main interest. I
helped start up a Lever Action Association a little while ago and am now
trying to put together a decent website and information resource. The start
of the website can be found at www.lara.co.za.

We are trying to put together a history splurb on all the LeverAction
manufacturers as well as a list of all their models (you can see the start
of this on the Marlin pages on the site) We are also trying to include
exploded diagrams and full dis-assembly and re-assembly instructions such as
can be found on the Rossi pages on our site. ( we have about 7 or 8 rifles
to photograph shortly).

Could anybody help us with some info and photographs ? Pics of your guns,
pics of your hunting trophies, writeups of your hunts etc will be most
welcome. I have sent emails to a number of manufacturers and I have had but
1 response, from Browning, and they just said, "hold on, we'll contact you
later" and even that was months ago. I have been unable to find much on
Rossi and as they are probably the most common Leverguns here, second would
be Marlin, I really would like to do a good piece on them.

I have a hobby site which I am building into a general firearms reference
site, this one is mine personally and is called www.gunweb.co.za. I am
currently sharing some info between the two sites and the more info I can
get for both, the better resources they will be.

My thanks to Paco Kelly and Jim Taylor for their permission to utilise info
from their sites and articles.

Regards

Doug Norval

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Colt/Winchester/Marlin/S&W/Remington etc. available from Southern
Californian collector/locator.

I can locate any arm that you wish, as long as it it legal, and must
transfer through an FFL Dealer.

As an example, I have located everything from antique arms to
warbirds, Rolls Royces and other hard-to-find items, for the regular
Joe to stars, film production companies and insurance replacement
companies.
This includes an 1874 Gatling with 1877 improvements, the limber and
full stock of magazines, all wrapped and in mint condition...the
entire set was from the Dr. R. Gatling Estate Museum, and had been
there since it was manufactured. It was supposed to go to the 10th
Cav. in New Mexico, but Dr. Richard Gatling wanted this particular
Arm to remain in his posession.

I have many rare items in stock, such as an 1873 Winchester Trapper
SRC w/ 15 inch, button mag., mfg. in 1881 (one of less than 20 made
for this special order of prison SRC's between 1881-1883). Letters
from Cody and BATF as being hand inspected, true and correct. I have
the history on this arm.

Another example is an 1894 (BISLEY MODEL) FOR .32 S&W CTG., which is
only 1 of 19 produced.

Also available many 1st Model 1873 Winchester SRC's and Rifles, with
set triggers and round or octagon, half and half's, etc.

Other Colts and Winchesters such as Ainsworth artilleries, full 7.5"
bbl. military marked Lewis Draper, and others.
Winchester 1987's, '97's, and more.

Rich
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Hello everyone how are you doing? Thanks for welcomeing me to your
group 1st thing I would like ask you is what is your appineon of
haveing a bench rest type of shooting match with Lever Action Rifles
only,(I have a Winchester 94 Ranger in 30/30) also how many of you
reload your own ammo?

Hello Everyone!
just want to let you all know that I created a hand loads
reloading database the system did not kick me out (so I hope it's ok
with the Owner and group moderator) for those of uss want to
exchange reloading data information on resolts now the loads I posted
are one that I acualy used with good resaults I got beter accurcy and
a little more distance

I'm not so sure about bench rest, but having a lever
gun match would be fun.

I reload for all of my lever guns. 30-30, 300 Savage,
45-70, 45 Colt/454 Casull, 38-40.

TM
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Tahts great did you chech out the reloading database I created

ThighMaster <simon_d_pieman@... gun match would be fun.

I reload for all of my lever guns. 30-30, 300 Savage,
45-70, 45 Colt/454 Casull, 38-40.

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Benchrest with a leveraction is more a test of the
shooter than the rifle, due to the difficulty of
regaining the same sight/eye alignment for each shot.

Regardless, the English currently are having a
substantial number of matches for leveraction rifles,
primarily those in pistol calibers. This is an
outgrowth of their having their cartridge-handguns
confiscated in 1997.

Concerning handloading, yes, I do this for all my
leveractions. Currently, I am just starting to use
cast bullets in my .30-30 Winchester 94.

Paladin

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--- ThighMaster <simon_d_pieman@... I'm not so sure about bench rest, but having a lever
gun match would be fun.

I reload for all of my lever guns. 30-30, 300
Savage,
45-70, 45 Colt/454 Casull, 38-40.
TM
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welcomeing me to your group 1st thing I would like ask
you is what is your appineon of haveing a bench rest
type of shooting match with Lever Action Rifles
only,(I have a Winchester 94 Ranger in 30/30) also how
many of you reload your own ammo?

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One of the good things I failed to mention is Scope are allowed the reason I am asking is I working out a plan and details with the conservation club i am a member of to have a Lever action Rifle only match because right now they have open varminter bench matched open to the public and Lever Action Rifle are allowed to be use but I want to do something rather diffrent for the Lever Actuon Rifle shooter I can give you more details about the matches they have now via E-mail

Paladin <PaladinWillTravel@... Benchrest with a leveraction is more a test of the
shooter than the rifle, due to the difficulty of
regaining the same sight/eye alignment for each shot.

Regardless, the English currently are having a
substantial number of matches for leveraction rifles,
primarily those in pistol calibers. This is an
outgrowth of their having their cartridge-handguns
confiscated in 1997.

Concerning handloading, yes, I do this for all my
leveractions. Currently, I am just starting to use
cast bullets in my .30-30 Winchester 94.

Paladin

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--- ThighMaster <simon_d_pieman@... I'm not so sure about bench rest, but having a lever
gun match would be fun.

I reload for all of my lever guns. 30-30, 300
Savage,
45-70, 45 Colt/454 Casull, 38-40.
TM
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only,(I have a Winchester 94 Ranger in 30/30) also how
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Hello to this fine Group! Just joined. A brief intro. I live
in Alaska (since 1981) and fly as captain for one of the Anchorage-
airlines after having flown for years in the Alaska Bush. I was born
and raised in Southwestern Pennsylvania. I grew up with guns and
have always loved hunting--big and small game--shooting in general
and target practice as well.
My first lever gun was acquired back in the 1970s in Colorado; a
beautiful, low serial number (in the 9000s) original Winchester Model
71 Deluxe (348 Winchester) which I got in a trade for an old, plain
Winchester Model 12 (12 gauge) shotgun plus $150.00.
My second lever action, acquired earlier this year, is a
Browning Lever Rifle in .308 Winchester. It's their older model with
the original straight grip stock and is in nearly new condition. A
beautiful rifle.
My third lever acquisition, which I tracked down just within the
last couple of months, is a 1960s vintage Marlin Model 39A Carbine
which is completely original and appears to be in nearly 100%
condition with not a single blemish to be found on the wood or
metal. It handles like a dream and I looked a long time for this
particular make/model in such pristine condition.
My fourth lever gun hasn't arrived yet, but it appears to be a
new type of Browning BL22 lever action rifle (.22 rimfire) that I've
never seen before and neither has my very experienced local gun
dealer. Unlike all the other BL22s that we've seen over the years,
this one has a barrel length noticeably longer than the magazine
tube; a silver-colored, engraved receiver, a real nice select walnut
stock with cut checkering, and the description of it says that it has
an octagonal barrel of 24 inches length. The only small picture of
it that I've seen online to date, and I've looked everywhere, is just
too small to clearly show the barrel, however, they say that it is
definitely octagonal. The model is listed as "Browning BG BL-22 GRII
OCTOGN S, 24 S-L-LR." It's supposed to (I'm hoping) arrive at my
local gun dealer's establishment this month, November. He'd never
heard about this particular model Browning until I showed him the
specs and picture. Should be sweet!
My other firearms are an assortment of rifles (centerfire and
rimfire, including an early model Weatherby Mark V .300 Weatherby
Magnum which is German-made and still unfired in the box), plus
shotguns and handguns. Best regards to the Group!

"bigpushrod2002"

Hello all,
I am coming here to get some wisdom from those of you in the know.
I live in TN and own about 40 acres of good deer hunting
timberland. However, I'm in the market for a new lever action. I
have narrowed my choices down to the Marlin 336 in 30/30 Win and the
Marlin 1894 in 44 Rem Magnum. The point of my purchase is to obtain
an affordable, yet quality lever action that I might hunt and shoot
with. I like the idea of the 44 as the loads are cheaper thereby
making it a more economical yet versatile gun. The 44 SW Special
might also be utilized. The hunting I expect to do will probably be
conducted within 60 paces - and in the woods. On the contrary, I
like the idea of the flat trajectory and muzzle velocity of the
30/30 at 100 yards. It looks to me like the 30/30 packs more of a
punch and the loads are much more expensive. I could rattle on, but
I won't. That is my dilemma. And in closing - Marlin bills the 336
as ideal for deer and black bear. The 1894 is ideal for target,
varmint, deer and black bear. I guess my fundamental question is -
will the 1894 bring down a deer (boar or bear) within 120 feet. Or
is the 44 Rem Mag a poor load only suited for handgun sports? The
guy at the gun shop actually said this when I was attempting to
determine which gun to buy. At that point I had to leave and get
more info.
Thanks in advance.
I can't wait to see what ya'll think.
Gordon Stark
Memphis, TN

I can't wait to see what ya'll think.
Gordon Stark
Memphis, TN

Well Gordon,
I live in east TN. and have a pair of 336 Marlins along with a Winchester all in 30-30 win cal.

I have found that in a little over 45 years of hunting game such as Deer and Bear etc the larger bullet
leaves little to chance.

You can go to the smaller caliber and hope for a clean kill.

But I do not want to walk a few miles to find a wounded animal..

My thoughts on the subject and I have hunted the big game in Alaska and a few other countries

Howard J.
east TN.

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A 336 or an 1894? Hmmmmmmmmmm - Most folks that own a 44 handgun would
probably opt for the 1894 and carry on a tradition that began over 100 years
ago of having a long gun and handgun in the same caliber. A very convenient
combination.
On the other hand, the 336 30-30 has been a long standing and reliable deer
killer.
A 30-30 will offer much more energy and muzzle velocity that a 44. But you
don't have to settle for just the 30-30. The 336 is also availble in 38-55,
35 Remington and, althought not currently manufactured, used models in .356,
.307, and 375 can still be found. The latter are souped up higher pressure
rounds that produce ballistics comparable to some bolt action calibers.
A word of caution - never buy a rifle based on the cost of it's ammunition.
It's like buying a Cadillac then asking about the price of gasoline. It
just really doesn't matter.
Prior to hunting seasons, K-Mart and others of it's ilk will sell some 30-30
ammo for $9.95 a box. 44 magnum is available in 20 round packages for the
about same price.
However, you will want to try several different brands and bullet styles to
see which shoots best in your rifle. And, you may want to expand your
interests to the point of handloading your own to get the type of accuracy
you want and save money too.

--- Gordon <bbqbuff@... Hello all,
I am coming here to get some wisdom from those of you
in the know. I live in TN and own about 40 acres of
good deer hunting timberland. However, I'm in the
market for a new lever action. I have narrowed my
choices down to the Marlin 336 in 30/30 Win and the
Marlin 1894 in 44 Rem Magnum. The point of my
purchase is to obtain an affordable, yet quality lever
action that I might hunt and shoot with. Thanks in
advance.
I can't wait to see what ya'll think.
Gordon Stark
Memphis, TN
--------------------------------------------- From my experience, in the conditions you describe I
personally would choose the .44 Magnum and the
jacketed 240-grain hunting loads, given the choice
between these two calibers.

At these distances, trajectory is not a serious
problem (although obviously there needs to be some
practice before going afield).

Ballistically, the .44 Magnum can be expected to do
quite well, making a hole less likely to close up than
is the case with a smaller caliber.

Having said all this, remember that the Marlin 336
also has been available in .35 Remington, a cartridge
which for generations has been highly respected for
your kind of hunting and probably is superior to the
.44 Magnum in this case.

Paladin

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Gordan I have a Winchester 94 Ranger in 30-30 win for deer and bear it is a great rifle I use my 30-30 for shooting compatition ontop you can not go wrong get you a Winchester 94 Ranger in 30-30win

Gordon <bbqbuff@... I am coming here to get some wisdom from those of you in the know.
I live in TN and own about 40 acres of good deer hunting
timberland. However, I'm in the market for a new lever action. I
have narrowed my choices down to the Marlin 336 in 30/30 Win and the
Marlin 1894 in 44 Rem Magnum. The point of my purchase is to obtain
an affordable, yet quality lever action that I might hunt and shoot
with. I like the idea of the 44 as the loads are cheaper thereby
making it a more economical yet versatile gun. The 44 SW Special
might also be utilized. The hunting I expect to do will probably be
conducted within 60 paces - and in the woods. On the contrary, I
like the idea of the flat trajectory and muzzle velocity of the
30/30 at 100 yards. It looks to me like the 30/30 packs more of a
punch and the loads are much more expensive. I could rattle on, but
I won't. That is my dilemma. And in closing - Marlin bills the 336
as ideal for deer and black bear. The 1894 is ideal for target,
varmint, deer and black bear. I guess my fundamental question is -
will the 1894 bring down a deer (boar or bear) within 120 feet. Or
is the 44 Rem Mag a poor load only suited for handgun sports? The
guy at the gun shop actually said this when I was attempting to
determine which gun to buy. At that point I had to leave and get
more info.
Thanks in advance.
I can't wait to see what ya'll think.
Gordon Stark
Memphis, TN

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"terrianx"

Hello! I see in the 2004 Edition of Shooter's Bible, page 213,
Marlin lists a Model "1894FG" as being available in .41 Remington
Magnum. It has a checkered walnut stock, straight grip, 20-inch
barrel and weighs 6.5 pounds. The magazine holds 10 rounds and the
rifle features a solid-top receiver tapped for a scope mount--if
that's your sort of pursuasion. The retail list price is $610.00.
Hope this info helps, especially if you're in the market for a brand-
new rifle out of the box. Good luck and happy shooting!

Best regards,

"bigpushrod2002"

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would
over 100 years
convenient
----------
That was when you carried your ammo aboard your horse, wagon, or
person. Also there was one load generally available for all, and it
was propelled by black powder.
Most lads who wind up with a rifle and revolver in the same caliber
have different ammo for each. Handgun loads usually do not do their
best in the rifle and vice versa. For maximum use the load as well as
the seating depth etc. etc. varies with each gun.
to his particular gun and set for max. accuracy, penetration, etc..
now.
type hunting and have been for over that 100 years. Says somthing!
----------
fact that the 30/30 is very effective in deer hunting and other North
America game it proved it's self threw the test of time 100+ years

Feildmaster2

Have found subsequent information and pictures of the new Marlin
Model 1894FG (chambered for the .41 Remington Magnum) and it is shown
to have a curved pistol grip, not a straight grip, as stated in
earlier info that I came across. Just wanted to set the record
straight.

Well thank you all for your input. Last year at this
time I vowed to purchase the 30-30. However, having
not done so - I began considering other calibers. And
here is one for you all: in considering my options I
even looked into buying a rifled slug barrel for my
Benelli M1 Super 90 Field Gun. That purchase alone -
just for the barrel was going to run easily $410. Can
you believe that? Anyway, the .30 WCF appears to be
my current caliber of choice. Now off to sell a house
or two so that I might afford such a fine piece of
weaponry.
Later,
Gordon

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Got my hands on a second Mod. 71 today. How many styles did Win. make??? One looks rather plain the other has it seems a
bit more care put in to manufacturing. The bolt on the one seems to have slots on top where a peep sight is mounted??? I've not
pulled either apart to have a look-see. Looks to be a full inch diff. in the length of the top tang strap. Billy

Hi Billy,
The Model 71 Winchester was made in two grades, standard and deluxe. The
deluxe grade had checker pistol grip and forearm, forearm nosecap with a
built-in sling swivel stud, and a special Winchester style swivel stud
mounted in the butt stock, and Winchester quick detach sling swivels. The
peep sight you refer to, to my knowledge, was not a standard item on the
deluxe, but was available as an optional extra. It did , indeed, mount to
the top rear of the bolt.
Tom I.

Thanx Tom; The deluxe has the inlayed sling swivels, where as the
standard they are prodruding , as if add on sorta thing. The
release on both slings look the same, as are the slings, rather
narrow leather military style. The peep sight is not truly mounted
"on
top" of the bolt but rather a intergral part of the bolt, dose that
make sense??? I've never been big in collecting the older
firearms,
more into shooting them, got a raft of the older guns ir the rather
uncomon Cal. I like to get those old timers developed for black
powder and the original smoke-less Cal. shooting, fun for me.

Billy

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with a
stud
swivels. The
on the
mount to

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to have slots on top where a peep sight is mounted??? I've not
diff. in the length of the top tang strap. Billy

Hello, Billy!

Congratulations on acquiring your second Model 71 Winchester! I own
an early Model 71 Deluxe Grade, the one with the long tang, checkered
pistol grip and forend with sling swivels and original peep sight.
The Standard Model 71 in 100% condition is valued at $1,200.00; with
the earlier version (long tang) the value increases by another 30%-
50%, depending on condition. Also, the Deluxe Grade, depending on
condition, increases the value by another 50%-75% over the Standard
Grade. It is a sweet rifle, isn't it? Wouldn't part with mine for
the world.

Best regards,

"bigpushrod2002"

I'm wondering if anyone checks into this group, if you do have a great Christmas season. Billy

--- bgoat_1 <bgoat_1@... I'm wondering if anyone checks into this group, if
you do have a great Christmas season. Billy
-----------------------------------------
Thanks. ---Send presents.

As to the group, I have it set up so it sends the
individual messages to me when they are posted. It's
been weeks, even months, since there was one, I think.
BUT, at least it's been spared the porno-posts which
are sent through the little-used groups....

Paladin

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Thanks for the post, Billy.

Small groups like this one are usually quiet by their very nature.

The best answer to that silence is simply to post a question of your
own.

For me, I love lever action rifles and am pleased to see a resurgence of
their use caused, primarily, with the popularity of cowboy shooting.

Of course their are new (and old) calibers out there now that also bring
people into the fold. (.450 Marlin, .45-70, .45-90, etc.)

Personally, I only have one lever action at the moment. That is an
original Winchester 1894 SRC I converted to .458 American (.458x2) while
in gunsmithing school some thirty years ago.

Rick
Colorado
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I'm wondering if anyone checks into this group, if you do have a great
Christmas season. Billy

I may have posted this before........ bear with me.
Last summer I went to Cody, Wy for the Buffalo Bill Summer Range CAS match
and hung around for the Winchester Collectors Assoc. gun show the following
weekend.
At the show I ran across a solid, functioning, fair bored Marlin 1893 in
38-55. The case colors were faded and the blue has mostly browned. The
wood was solid - no cracks - and had most of it's original finish. It had a
24" oct. barrel, cresant butt and full magazine. Just the configuration I
was looking for. I bought it - (I didn't think the $750.00 price tag was
exorbitant but talked the dealer down another $50.00).
I had, at the time, a new Marlin 336 Cowboy in 38-55 with a .381 bore size
that was driving me nuts. Wouldn't shoot particurlay well and leaded with
every .380 bullet I tried, except gas checks. It was my hope the the 1893
would have a .378-.380 bore size. It was not to be. It's bore slugged out
at .386. Without firing a round through it, I sent it to Craig Rittenhouse
for relining. It came back with a .375 bore and shoots gas checked .377
bullets like a charm. Best load so far, has been 20 grains of XMP5744, CCI
BR primer, and Bonus Bullets GC 260 grain bullet. 50 yd iron sight groups
of about 1 1/2" show promise that smaller groups may be achieved.
The 1893 came with some unsual sights. An original Lyman No. 2 tang sight
and a double leaf folding barrel sight, also by Lyman. The front sight was
a Lyman ivory bead. All sights are of the same vintage of the 1893 (made in
1894) and may have been ordered with the rifle.
Just throw this out to possibly start a little more activity to this list.
Tom I.

--- "Rick A. Shay" <rick.a.shay@... Thanks for the post, Billy.
Small groups like this one are usually quiet by their
very nature. The best answer to that silence is simply
to post a question of your own.

For me, I love lever action rifles and am pleased to
see a resurgence of their use caused, primarily, with
the popularity of cowboy shooting.

Of course their are new (and old) calibers out there
now that also bring people into the fold. (.450
Marlin, .45-70, .45-90, etc.)

Personally, I only have one lever action at the
moment. That is an original Winchester 1894 SRC I
converted to .458 American (.458x2) while in
gunsmithing school some thirty years ago.
Rick
Colorado
=================================================
Okay Rick, hasn't the thrust from your .458x2 managed
to loosen the fit for the locking-lugs???

...I love my Winchester Model 1892 .38-40, but what
must have been a LOT of use has left the action plenty
loose. Leveractions never were my forte, so I've
always wondered whether there is someone reliable (and
affordable) who can tighten them up affordably....

Paladin

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Would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a Happy New year.
Hope Santa fills everyones stockin with a "spankin new" lever gun in
the caliber of your choosing, or at least an "oldie" that you have
wished to have for years.

Make mine a Marlin 1894 SS in 38/357 mag, pistol in same caliber and
finish would be appreciated too.

As far as lever rifle calibers..."Thuty-Thuty" is the only one a man
needs, inless he lives with tha big bears!!!!

Merry Christmas to all.

terrianx

Make mine a stainless Marlin Guide Gun in 45-70. Have nothing in TX that
*needs* that big of a bullet, but I do want one!
And I'm going to buy a Winchester chanbered for 44 Mag. I wanted a Marlin,
but 200 dollars or so of difference decided it for me!

Paul
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The word "need" should not be in a leveraction rifle aficionado's vocabulary!

Glenn

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I have had a 336C for 25plus years and it's great. I really like the
looks of the 336Y with the 16.5 inch barrel.

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be
but
336

Hello Gordonif I was you I would get the Winchester 94 Ranger in 30/30 I have one of them it,s a great rifle I have mine scoped and it is accurete out to 300 yds mine is zero in at 250 yds and it still holds great stopping power I shoot mine all the time I also compete with it so get the winchester 94 Ranger in 30/30

txray22 <txray22@... looks of the 336Y with the 16.5 inch barrel.

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I've had a Winchester 30/30 for several years and this gun/cartridge has
performed very well on several deer. I got an 8 point buck using a
handloaded 150 grain roundnose last year at about 80 yards. Bullet went
clean through him and kept on going. He went about 20 yards and
dropped. Not much meat was wasted either. However, this year I bought
the Marlin 1894 PG in 44 magnum. I also bought a Ruger Super BlackHawk
(44 magnum) because personally, I enjoy the challenge of using a handgun
on deer. I'll go deer hunting and bring both my pistol and my lever
action. I try to get my shot with the pistol, but as the season runs
out, I'll take a longer shot with the rifle. I reload my own ammo, and
developed a cartridge that works well in both my revolver and my lever
action.

I also find this lever action intriguing as a self defense firearm.
This rifle holds 10 rounds in the tube and one in the chamber. Its got
a relatively short barrel and I kept the open sights on it. Call me
paranoid, but if a WMD when off in your neck of the woods, there will
most certainly be looters and rioting, and this would be a nice firearm
to protect your family with.

Anyways, the 44 magnum is an excellent cartridge out to 125 yards, and
maybe even 150 yards with a scope. For my handgun, I try to keep my
shots under 75 yards. Most people seem to go with the heavier bullets
in the rifles. The Marlin has a slow barrel twist, which may limit your
use of heavy bullets. I've heard it will shoot up to 300 grains ok, but
heavier bullets may be a problem. I'm using the Hornady 240 gr HP/XTP
bullets now. I don't want to go any heavier in the pistol.

I think at the short ranges you are hunting, I'd go with the 44 magnum.
The 30/30 will have a flatter trajectory, but that won't matter much
until you get past 100 yards. The 44 magnum with more frontal area and
more weight might have more knock-down power.

Right now I'm drooling over the Marlin 1895 Cowboy lever action in
45-70. Supposedly, it's good out to 200 yards with a scope. That's
good enough for me.

Good luck!

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From: txray22 [mailto:txray22@...]
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To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: Marlin 336 vs. Marlin 1894 in Rem Mag.

I have had a 336C for 25plus years and it's great. I really like the
looks of the 336Y with the 16.5 inch barrel.

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Curtis,

Now ya got me wantin a .44mag combo!!!!!!!!!!

terrianx

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terrianx,
You won't be disappointed with a .44 combo! I've owned a Super Blackhawk for years and finally a few years ago picked up a Marlin 1894 20" in .44. I can shoot some of the same ammo in both, but as a dedicated cast bullet shooter, I find matching bullet diameter to the individual gun helps accuracy and helps a lot in preventing leading. The Ruger takes .431" bullets and the Marlin takes .433" slugs (Not a misprint!!). Gas checked .431" bullets shoot fine in the Marlin, but plain base have to be full size. The .433" bullets won't chamber in the Ruger unless I seat the full-diameter portion all the way in the case. Seated deep like this, they don't shoot as well in the rifle! For plinking the accuracy difference isn't noticeable. Jacketed bullets are so tough they don't much care about differences in throat and bore sizes, but they're no fun!
Glenn

Had a chance to shoot a Marlin 94 stainless steel in .44mag some time
back. Talk about a handly lil rifle and good looks to boot. Recoil
is on par with the 30-30 when using factory loads or stout hand
loads, maybe a bit less but its close.

Fellow that had the rifle said it was his dedicated hog gun, deer
gun, home defense rifle and black bear gun. Guess he was happy with
it because his only other gun is a .44mag pistol.

I was thiking more along the lines of .38/.357 since I already have
reloading setup in that caliber and a pistol. I know the .44mag is a
better choice for deer and hogs but in a pistol I find the recoil a
bit on the heavy side after a few rounds of shooting.

terrianx

--- In Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Latham"
1894 20" in .44. I can shoot some of the same ammo in both, but as a
dedicated cast bullet shooter, I find matching bullet diameter to the
individual gun helps accuracy and helps a lot in preventing
leading. The Ruger takes .431" bullets and the Marlin takes .433"
slugs (Not a misprint!!). Gas checked .431" bullets shoot fine in
the Marlin, but plain base have to be full size. The .433" bullets
won't chamber in the Ruger unless I seat the full-diameter portion
all the way in the case. Seated deep like this, they don't shoot as
well in the rifle! For plinking the accuracy difference isn't
noticeable. Jacketed bullets are so tough they don't much care about
differences in throat and bore sizes, but they're no fun!
Rem Mag.

Many will say the 357 is good on deer out to 50 yards max. Even then
it's marginal. The 44 mag is a better choice, but you need to develop
some good shooting habits to prevent you from turning into a flinching
idiot. Just keep saying to yourself "This won't hurt!" and practice
properly. I have the Ruger Super Blackhawk with the short 4-5/8"
barrel and open sights so its pretty light and does kick pretty good. I
always load only 5 of the 6 rounds in the cylinder while practicing and
give the cylinder a good spin with my eyes closed before shutting the
cylinder. It really helps me to eliminate flinching. Just not knowing
if the gun will fire or not makes me really concentrate on getting a
good trigger pull.

Practicing with lighter loads will help too. I use some 240 gr lead
bullets at about 950 fps for light practice. The point of aim may
differ from full power loads though.

You don't necessarily have to match your rifle caliber to your pistol
caliber. Get the 44 mag Marlin, and use your 357 on a closer shot. But
then you need new dies, brass, etc.

I still want that Marlin 1895 Cowboy in 45-70. Almost ordered one
today, but the gun shop was closed. Oh well, maybe next week. Deer
season closes this weekend for me, so its definitely a next season
endeavor.

cb

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From: terrianx [mailto:terrianx@...]
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To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: Marlin 336 vs. Marlin 1894 in Rem Mag.

Had a chance to shoot a Marlin 94 stainless steel in .44mag some time
back. Talk about a handly lil rifle and good looks to boot. Recoil
is on par with the 30-30 when using factory loads or stout hand
loads, maybe a bit less but its close.

Fellow that had the rifle said it was his dedicated hog gun, deer
gun, home defense rifle and black bear gun. Guess he was happy with
it because his only other gun is a .44mag pistol.

I was thiking more along the lines of .38/.357 since I already have
reloading setup in that caliber and a pistol. I know the .44mag is a
better choice for deer and hogs but in a pistol I find the recoil a
bit on the heavy side after a few rounds of shooting.

terrianx

--- In Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Latham"
1894 20" in .44. I can shoot some of the same ammo in both, but as a
dedicated cast bullet shooter, I find matching bullet diameter to the
individual gun helps accuracy and helps a lot in preventing
leading. The Ruger takes .431" bullets and the Marlin takes .433"
slugs (Not a misprint!!). Gas checked .431" bullets shoot fine in
the Marlin, but plain base have to be full size. The .433" bullets
won't chamber in the Ruger unless I seat the full-diameter portion
all the way in the case. Seated deep like this, they don't shoot as
well in the rifle! For plinking the accuracy difference isn't
noticeable. Jacketed bullets are so tough they don't much care about
differences in throat and bore sizes, but they're no fun!
Rem Mag.
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terrianx,
I haven't hunted deer with a pistol but those "in the know" seem to agree the .357 is on the light side for big deer. One guy said, "You just have to wait a little longer for them to fall over."
I'll agree the recoil of a .44 handgun is significant. I've shot a Super Blackhawk for a lot of years and I suppose I've gotten used to it. However, I find the .454 Casull and .475 Linebaugh, etc. with full loads to be beyond "fun." I wear a thin leather golf glove when shooting hot loads.
For casual shooting you can always load down, and I do. You can shoot 9 grs. of Unique all day and it's quite accurate.
Glenn

My choce would still be the Winchester 94 Ranger or Legacy in 30-30 win for all

Glenn Latham <grlatham@... I haven't hunted deer with a pistol but those "in the know" seem to agree the .357 is on the light side for big deer. One guy said, "You just have to wait a little longer for them to fall over."
I'll agree the recoil of a .44 handgun is significant. I've shot a Super Blackhawk for a lot of years and I suppose I've gotten used to it. However, I find the .454 Casull and .475 Linebaugh, etc. with full loads to be beyond "fun." I wear a thin leather golf glove when shooting hot loads.
For casual shooting you can always load down, and I do. You can shoot 9 grs. of Unique all day and it's quite accurate.
Glenn

Anyone have one of these? Was curios about the quality, durability
and open sight accuracy.

I have seen the regular lr version on the shelf and it looks to be
well built but a bit on the dainty side. Guess I am used to more
robust firearms.

terrianx

terrianx,
Haven't shot any of them, but cycled a .22LR at a shop - nothing smoother!
Glenn

Now you have a .375/55 not a 38/55. I've enjoyed the learning to
make a few of the 38/55 shoot, my own guns and for others.
After firing a few times the brass at the neck thickens on some so
that bullets large enough to group will not easly chamber, if you
use stretch out 30/30 brass should not be a problem. Paper
patching, or a few raps of teflon tape will at times give an idea if
you
working in the right direction. Billy

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Nope- it's still a 38-55 to me - :-) . The new Marlin Cowboy with .381 bore
would only shoot .379 gas checks without leading up, and even they were hard
to chamber.
I even turned the necks of a half doz cases or so and that solved some of
the problem, but they were still snug. The relined 1893 presents absolutely
no problems with modern components, and that's what I wanted.
Besides wanting an original 1893, I bought the rifle for use in CAS long
range events- which really aren't long range in my mind. (I shoot BPCR
silhouettes out to 500 meters and the 160 to 200 yd side matches at CAS
events doesn't compare.) In order to facilitate ease of reloading and
component compatibility, the reline semmed the way to go ....... for me at
least ....... your experiences may differ.
Buffalo Arms sells stretched 38-55 brass that is the original and proper
length for 38-55 but it's expensive and has a tendency to keep on
stretching. It would probably have somewhat thinner case necks since it's
been stretched about a tenth of an inch.
I didn't try it because I wanted to use factory stuff without the additional
expense and special order process. I can buy new 38-55 brass at any gun
show.

I have a old Winchester Model 250 lever action 22. I am in the
process of refinishing it and was wondering some more about it.
Anyone know where I can get a manual for it? I have heard this gun
was made from the late 60's to the 70's. Anyone know how many were
made? Anyone here ever own one?

Thanks for any info!!

Tim

Ya you can contact Winchester themselfs and get one mailed to you

baja74vw <baja74vw@... process of refinishing it and was wondering some more about it.
Anyone know where I can get a manual for it? I have heard this gun
was made from the late 60's to the 70's. Anyone know how many were
made? Anyone here ever own one?

Thanks for any info!!

Tim

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I have checked on there website and they do not show that gun model
anymore. I have searched the web for info on this model and can't
find anything either. It is as if the gun was never made!

That's why I asking for help.

Thanks again!

Tim

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Tim-
I well remember the Winchester model 250. They were not well received and
dropped shortly (couple, 3, 4 years , maybe) after their introduction. What
I can't remember is if they were introduced before I got into the industry
in 1969 or after.
Well, I just checked my Gun Digest collection and they first appear in the
1965 edition which runs a year behind the times. That means they were
introduced in the infamous year of 1964. That year Winchester dropped most
of their good guns and went to "modern" manufacturing methods to produce
sub-standard firearms. They've been fighting an uphill battle ever since
and still don't make a model 70 as good as the pre-'64.
Tom I.

I can imagine that they were not well received! I do not like the
action on this gun.

Any idea what this gun could sell for? I could not imagine very
much.

Thanks for all the replies! I will call Winchester and try to get a
manual.

Tim

Not a clue. Couldn't be too valuable. Of course, condition plays a big
role in value.
If it's new in the box, mint, unfired condition, it might bring somewhere
around $250.00 from the right buyer. If used and beat around, stock
marred, blue thinning, probably somewhere around $100.00. Just guessing. I
wouldn't want one at any price. :-)
Tom I.

The 250 I have had seen better days. I have re-blued metal parts,
powdercoated the receiver, and refinished the stock. Maybe cost me
$10 because I did all of it myself. I think I will take it to a
local gun store to try to sell on consignment. It is a OK shooter,
but I think I might as well get rid of it and get something I like.

I a want to get a 30-30 lever action. Brand is still to be
decided. Growing up in Montana, I always hunted with a friend and
would borrow his. They were the good old days. Now I am in college
in ND and it is too cold to do anything here!!

Thanks again!!

Tim

Has anyone tried a Ghost Ring sight on there lever gun? I have a 336
Marlin .30-30 I thinking about trying one.

Phil

I use a Williams 5D-336 with Marble front blade (.406 high). The 5D uses the rear two scope mounting holes. For fast sighting I remove the screw in apeture from the 5D and sight through the threaded opening (poor boy Ghost Ring). Works great and total cost for both was less than $35.

John

txray22 <txray22@... Has anyone tried a Ghost Ring sight on there lever gun? I have a 336
Marlin .30-30 I thinking about trying one.

Phil

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I found a Marlin 336 RC in a pawnshop. Can anyone tell me when this
model was made. Is there a website to find out when different models
were manufactured?

Try the Marlin web page ask them they mite beable answer your questons go to attach link

txray22 <txray22@... model was made. Is there a website to find out when different models
were manufactured?

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Model 336RC Carbine , Mfg. 1948-1968 , 100%-$300 , 98%-$275 , 95%-$200 , 90%-$175 , 80%-$155 , 70%-$140 , 60%-$120 , add 10% for 1st model mfg. , 1948-1952 . These are out of Blue Book #24 . Call 203-239-5621 for exact year (with serial #)

The Long's
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Thanks for the info. From what you say I shouldn't offer more than
$175 for it. It has a saddle ring and the serial number starts with
AD. I found another Marlin in another shop with the serial number
starting 2300####. I can't remember the whole number. It's a
standard pistol grip style.

I'm finding a few 336s in 35rem caliber.

Phil

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model mfg. , 1948-1952 . These are out of Blue Book #24 . Call 203-
239-5621 for exact year (with serial #)

I'd be interested in hearing comments on the Marlin lever in 45-70 with the
long octagon bbl.
I'd likely put on a tang sight--or reciever peep and hand load with cast
bullets ( suggestions welcome-- powder and bullet form/size--etc).
Northern NY deer, cutting paper, woods walk with steel gongs, maybe gongs at
several hundred yards.
Got a wild idea that it might be fun to go after wild pigs/hogs someday.

On the other hand-- I'd also fancy another single shot that would also
accomodate BP and the associated cleaning as well as smokeless.

Help-- I've got an itch.....
Regards,
ARNIE

Well, I am more than happy with mine. It will shoot 1" groups @ 100 yds with
300 gr jhp and 3031 or 4227. I had to change over to the pistol grip stock
because we aren't allowed to shoot anything but bench rest at the range I
belong to. It was comfortable enough shooting offhand with the straight
stock, but very punishing from the bench. I just loaded up some 350 gr hard
cast over a case full of 4064 to try out next week. (51+ grains I think) I
hope this load works out without too much leading because I have quite a bit
of 4064.

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From: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Date: 3/19/2004 9:53:07 PM
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] Marlin 45-70 CB

I'd be interested in hearing comments on the Marlin lever in 45-70 with the
long octagon bbl.
I'd likely put on a tang sight--or reciever peep and hand load with cast
bullets ( suggestions welcome-- powder and bullet form/size--etc).
Northern NY deer, cutting paper, woods walk with steel gongs, maybe gongs at
several hundred yards.
Got a wild idea that it might be fun to go after wild pigs/hogs someday.

On the other hand-- I'd also fancy another single shot that would also
accomodate BP and the associated cleaning as well as smokeless.

Help-- I've got an itch.....
Regards,
ARNIE

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Hmm--you are helping the cause
Had a marlin CB in my hands a week ago --seemed right-- but you can't shoot
it in someone's kitchen at night--at least here in northern NY.
Picked up a PUMA in 38/357 a while ago--brass receiver --octagon bbl-- It's
hoot to shoot-- perhaps more fun than a 10/22 with a scope.
Regards,
ARNIE

Arnie,

I've got the marlin 1895 cb and really like it. This has the 26"
octagonal barrel, straight stock and no checkering. I plan on shooting
deer and wild hogs with mine too as well as target shooting at the
range. Its a pretty gun. Its still pretty new to me, so I haven't shot
it much. Can't really comment on its accuracy potential.

From what I've read, the longer barrel doesn't give you much additional
velocity over what the guide gun will deliver. With open sights, the
longer barrel may help by giving you a longer sight radius though. Some
people may say the guide gun has a stiffer barrel, which may contribute
to accuracy. Honestly, I bought the cowboy model cause I liked the way
it looked, and didn't mind the long barrel. If my decision was based
solely on hunting performance and portability, I would have gotten the
guide gun. I already have a 44 mag 1894 rifle, which is very similar in
portability to the guide gun, but lacks the power.

I'd love to get a BP single shot someday. Been eyeballing one of the
1874 Sharps models. Don't think I can affort a Shiloh, but maybe one of
the C. Sharps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Arnie Talgo [mailto:talgo@...]
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:30 PM
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] Marlin 45-70 CB

I'd be interested in hearing comments on the Marlin lever in 45-70 with
the
long octagon bbl.
I'd likely put on a tang sight--or reciever peep and hand load with cast
bullets ( suggestions welcome-- powder and bullet form/size--etc).
Northern NY deer, cutting paper, woods walk with steel gongs, maybe
gongs at
several hundred yards.
Got a wild idea that it might be fun to go after wild pigs/hogs
someday.

On the other hand-- I'd also fancy another single shot that would also
accomodate BP and the associated cleaning as well as smokeless.

Help-- I've got an itch.....
Regards,
ARNIE

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Arnie,

Regarding loads, I'm using the RCBS 45-405-FN mould, which results in
415 grain bullets using wheelweights. I'm working with two powders at
the moment, Hodgdon 4198, and Accurate Arms XMP5744. Lots of people
like to use IMR 3031 for the heavier bullets.

The February 2004 issue of Shooting Times has a good article by Mike
Venturino on the 45-70 where he lists some of his favorite guns and
loads. He's a black powder shooter too and has some pictures of his C.
Sharps 1874 rifle in there.

-----Original Message-----
From: Arnie Talgo [mailto:talgo@...]
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:30 PM
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] Marlin 45-70 CB

I'd be interested in hearing comments on the Marlin lever in 45-70 with
the
long octagon bbl.
I'd likely put on a tang sight--or reciever peep and hand load with cast
bullets ( suggestions welcome-- powder and bullet form/size--etc).
Northern NY deer, cutting paper, woods walk with steel gongs, maybe
gongs at
several hundred yards.
Got a wild idea that it might be fun to go after wild pigs/hogs
someday.

On the other hand-- I'd also fancy another single shot that would also
accomodate BP and the associated cleaning as well as smokeless.

Help-- I've got an itch.....
Regards,
ARNIE

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I have used mine to shoot a 250 lb Russian bore. One shot at about 30 yds. Also my son killed a buffalo near Dodge City, KS. It took several shots but Buff are Tuff.
I have a tang sight on a similar Marlin lever action CB in 38-55 which I use for targets. I shoot both black and smokeless
Tennessee Shooter

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Thanks for the comments
ARNIE

If it is an AD that is a different story $175 would equal $325 and add 20% if it has a Monte Carlo stock and is a 2nd edition . . .

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I just joined the list. I used to be a very active hunter/shooter
and am trying to get back into it. I am considering a Marlin 1895
for my next hunting rifle purchase. I would prefer the standard
rifle or the "Cowboy". The guide gun concept doesn't really appeal
to me. The .450 Marlin seems like a good cartridge but I can't see
all of the new cartridges that hace been introduced in the last ten
years still being around ten years from now. The .45-70 should be
around forever, I reload almost all of my ammunition so the low
power factory ammunition isn't really a problem.

The 1895 would join a Marlin .30-30, a 1905 production Win 94 .30-
30, and a Spencer carbine in my lever action collection. I haven't
fired the Spencer, I am considering getting a centerfire breechblock
for it. That would be the cheap part of the project, the dies and
bullet mold cost much more.
George in Las Vegas

I going to buy a 30.30 for hog hunting. I'm not sure if I want a
Marlin or Winchester. I do like the Trapper model. Can anyone offer
any input?

If it is for hog hunting, have you considered buying one in .45 Colt? At
ranges typical for hog hunting here in Texas, it's pretty hard to beat a
big, slow moving 255 or 300 grain solid from Laser-Cast in front of 15.0
grains of 2400. Drops 'em like a sledge hammer. I like the Winchester
Trapper except for the sights, but that is easy to fix with a Ghost ring, so
it really isn't a problem. The Marlin, on the other hand is also excellent
quality, and is also available in .45 Colt. LSI also puts out an 1892 under
the Puma name that is available in .45 Colt and also in .454 Casull. (in
which you can shoot .45 Colt for fun and to save money). Just thought I'd
throw in a couple alternatives, there's really nothing wrong with either
rifle you mentioned in 30-30 either, so I guess it comes down to personal
preference based of fit and feel.

Jay
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I going to buy a 30.30 for hog hunting. I'm not sure if I want a
Marlin or Winchester. I do like the Trapper model. Can anyone offer
any input?

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TXray that is a great choice I have the Winchester Legacy in 30.30 and I like it alot and would not trade it for the world also being if you get the one with the 24" barreal you will have a drwat log range rifle also mine has the 24" barrel and I curently trying to get a silhoulette match at the conservation club

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I going to buy a 30.30 for hog hunting. I'm not sure if I want a
Marlin or Winchester. I do like the Trapper model. Can anyone offer
any input?

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I will keep the .45 in mind. What would a ghost ring cost? Would I
have to change the front sight also?

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Well I'm the new owner of a Marlin 45-70 CB--
I'm looking at the lee 405 grain hollow base--
459-405-HB 459 Diameter 405 Grain Hollow Base

but they come in 457 and 459 diameter.

I plan on plain old wheel weights.

What diameter mould should I get forthis new rifle
Regards,
ARNIE

You need a bullet 1/1000 over the groove diameter of the barrel.
Tom I.

Arnie,

I have the RCBS 45-405-FN which throws 415gr bullets using
wheelweights. I size and lube them in an RCBS sizer using the .459
sizer. These bullets require a gas check.

I'd suggest getting the 459 diameter if you go with the Lee mould.

Congratulations on the CB. I've had mine a few months. This is my
first "big" gun. I shot one of my 415 gr wheelweights through a
Grainger catalog last weekend using a starting load. These books are
thicker then most large phone books and use a stronger paper. I was
impressed! The bullet was pretty disentegrated. Probably because the
wheelweights are pretty hard.

Good Luck

-----Original Message-----
From: Arnie Talgo [mailto:talgo@...]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:07 PM
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] Marlin 45-70 CB Bullet Size

Well I'm the new owner of a Marlin 45-70 CB--
I'm looking at the lee 405 grain hollow base--
459-405-HB 459 Diameter 405 Grain Hollow Base

but they come in 457 and 459 diameter.

I plan on plain old wheel weights.

What diameter mould should I get forthis new rifle
Regards,
ARNIE

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I have the Winchester 94AE in 30-30 and have shot several deer with it
and had good success. I also have a Marlin 1894 in 44 mag that I'm
calling my "hog" gun. Its pretty short and easy to handle. I think the
larger caliber gives you more knock down on a pig. I lost a pig that I
hit with a 30-30 once. Which I had something bigger at the time.
Recoil on the two guns is probably about the same. The 45 colt would be
good too, and may even have a slight advantage over the 44 mag. I just
got the 44 mag since I have a 44 mag revolver.

Personally, I like the Marlin better. Its very simple to remove one
screw on the lever and pull the lever out, which then allows you to pull
the bolt out the rear. Makes it real easy to clean the gun, and also
allows you to run your cleaning rod from the breech.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Loveless [mailto:jayl@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:50 PM
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Leveraction-Rifle] info needed

If it is for hog hunting, have you considered buying one in .45 Colt?
At
ranges typical for hog hunting here in Texas, it's pretty hard to beat a
big, slow moving 255 or 300 grain solid from Laser-Cast in front of 15.0
grains of 2400. Drops 'em like a sledge hammer. I like the Winchester
Trapper except for the sights, but that is easy to fix with a Ghost
ring, so
it really isn't a problem. The Marlin, on the other hand is also
excellent
quality, and is also available in .45 Colt. LSI also puts out an 1892
under
the Puma name that is available in .45 Colt and also in .454 Casull. (in
which you can shoot .45 Colt for fun and to save money). Just thought
I'd
throw in a couple alternatives, there's really nothing wrong with either
rifle you mentioned in 30-30 either, so I guess it comes down to
personal
preference based of fit and feel.

Jay
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:24 PM
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] info needed

I going to buy a 30.30 for hog hunting. I'm not sure if I want a
Marlin or Winchester. I do like the Trapper model. Can anyone offer
any input?

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I just bought the 1895 CB last month. I really like it.

I'd go for the 45-70 over the .450 Marlin, especially if you reload.
You can load the 45-70 to be equivalent to the .450 Marlin. Check out
the Hodgdon 2004 reloading manual for a good data source on reloads that
take full advantage of this cartridge. Most reloading manuals are
overly conservative and keep pressures very low to remain safe in the
old guns.

Brass will be cheaper in the 45-70 too. I got 250 rounds of starline
brass.

Curtis

-----Original Message-----
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I just joined the list. I used to be a very active hunter/shooter
and am trying to get back into it. I am considering a Marlin 1895
for my next hunting rifle purchase. I would prefer the standard
rifle or the "Cowboy". The guide gun concept doesn't really appeal
to me. The .450 Marlin seems like a good cartridge but I can't see
all of the new cartridges that hace been introduced in the last ten
years still being around ten years from now. The .45-70 should be
around forever, I reload almost all of my ammunition so the low
power factory ammunition isn't really a problem.

The 1895 would join a Marlin .30-30, a 1905 production Win 94 .30-
30, and a Spencer carbine in my lever action collection. I haven't
fired the Spencer, I am considering getting a centerfire breechblock
for it. That would be the cheap part of the project, the dies and
bullet mold cost much more.
George in Las Vegas

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One of the nicer ones I have seen is the XS Ghost ring. It is available for
most lever actions including the Win 94 (AE only) . It comes as a set with
an appropriate height front post. Brownells has them for 90.00 and
MidwayUSA has them for 84.95.

Jay
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I will keep the .45 in mind. What would a ghost ring cost? Would I
have to change the front sight also?

--- In Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com, "Jay Loveless" Colt? At
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Curtis--
Thanks--
Have not purchased the moulds yet
Will see if any of my friends have those moulds to try before I buy them
might just try some laser cast or Meister hardcast 405grn before I get the
moulds.
ARNIE

For a good hog hunting rifle its hard to beat a lever action .44 mag
or .45LC (using hand loads), about the only thing I can think of that
hits harder with more lead is a 12ga using slugs.

I have had a chance to shoot both the .44 mag Marlin and several
different .45LC lever guns. For factory load ammo the .44 mag would
be the better choice, but if you hand load then the .45LC has a lot of
possibilities because you can load them really hot in a Marlin lever
rifle or modern Ruger single action. Factory loaded .45LC is on the
lower ends of the load spectrum, this is because of all the old guns
still floating around in shooters hands.

Recoil with the Marlin .44 mag is slightly above the ft lb levels of
the Marlin 30-30, this is with factory loads. Felt recoil is about
the same when shooting the two side by side.

As far as hogs with a 30-30, the 170gr JSP works ok so long as you
have good shot placement, but due to the short ranges of hog hunting
and short reaction time between aquiring the target and pulling the
trigger its sometimes hard to get that perfect shot lined up. So a
heavier bullet is always more desirable on larger hogs with an attitude.

My all time favorite hog gun is an SKS using Wolk 154gr soft points,
quick follow up shots are a plus and I have a legitimate "pig sticker"
on the gun if needed....LOL!

terrianx

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| 121|109|2004-04-28 16:02:28|Roger|Re: info needed|

I took a boar with my Rossi Puma .454. It was about
50 feet away and looking right at me. The jacketed
hollow point hit him right between the ears and the
wound channel traveled down his neck, through his
chest cavity and exited below his rib cage. There was
a red misting of blood and I'm assuming brain on some
of the vegetation close to where he was initially
standing.

Even with a head shot he still managed to get up and
run about 5 ft before he finally laid down. I was
surprised when he got up. It freaked me out a little.

Next time I go after hogs I'm taking my 45-70 Marlin.
I'm all in favor of a heavier bullet. There's
something to be said for mass as opposed to speed.

Roger
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| 122|122|2004-05-11 13:55:47|epijunkie67|My new Marlin|

Well I did it. After all the checking around I finally bought a
Marlin 1894C in .357. I've never fired a lever action in my life and
certainly never fired a rifle in .357 before so I wasn't quite sure
what to expect.

Damn is this thing fun or what?!

.38 Special +P feels almost like a .22 going off and even the Mag is reasonable. On my first outing I tried a variety of round
from the .38 +P to 3 different .357 mag rounds. The one with the
most kick was the Winchester silver tips.

I noticed that CorBon makes a couple of hunting rounds in .357. One
is a 180 grain expanding round and the other is a 200 grain FMJ for
penetration. They give velocity and power values on their web site
but those are for pistol fired rounds.

Anyone here ever use either of these rounds? What other rounds would
you suggest for use in a lever .357?

Thanks

Don.

| 123|122|2004-05-11 14:14:43|Tom Ireland|Re: My new Marlin|

They are a ball of fun! The next thing that ought to be on your "to do"
list
is reloading. Reloading your own will actually bring out the best accuracy
the little rifle has to offer.
Also, shooting cast bullet loads at lower velocities keeps the recoil factor
to a minimum and increases the fun to the maximum. Several companies
offer commercially cast bullets and all of the powder companies provide
load info....... and the best part is that it's available on-line.
Have fun!
Tom I.

| 124|124|2004-07-07 12:14:56|Arnie Talgo|Marlin 1895 peep sights|

Anybody have a recommendation for replacement of factory rear sight with a peep type sight.
I have the Marlin 1895 cowboy in 45-70.

I'm leaning towards the William's FP as it can be mounted on top of the receiver without new drilling?
I think the bolt throw is too long for a tang type
Thanks,
ARNIE

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| 125|124|2004-07-10 01:51:15|Glenn Latham|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

Arnie,
I have a top-mounted peep sight on my M-336 Cowboy in .38-55 and like it. Compact and unobtrusive.
Glenn

| 126|124|2004-07-10 02:08:07|gryghost|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

I also had one on my CB. I had to go to a scope tho, cuz I can't see very
well @100 yds anymore. Anything shorter I would leave the peep on it. Course
I haven't tried it since I got new specs and a cataract removed.

-------Original Message-------

From: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Date: 7/9/2004 7:51:25 PM
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] Marlin 1895 peep sights

Arnie,
I have a top-mounted peep sight on my M-336 Cowboy in .38-55 and like it.
Compact and unobtrusive.
Glenn

| 127|124|2004-07-10 02:31:32|Arnie Talgo|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

Glen and gryghost--
What make and model peep.
Was it the type that mounts using the factory drilled and tapped holes on
the top of the receiver??
Or did you have to drill and tap?

Thanks and
Regards,
ARNIE

| 128|124|2004-07-10 03:28:13|gryghost|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

Mine is a Williams I think. It mounts in the predrilled holes on top of the
receiver. It hangs over a bit it you mount it in the rear holes but I
mounted mine in the front holes and it worked fine. Anyway, I got it from
Brownell's a while back. Wasn't real expensive. I've forgotten the
designation for it. But it's adjustable. You can probably find out more info
over on the Marlin collecters list. I'll dig out my B's catalog and see what
the description is a little later.

-------Original Message-------

From: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Date: 7/9/2004 8:31:43 PM
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] Marlin 1895 peep sights

Glen and gryghost--
What make and model peep.
Was it the type that mounts using the factory drilled and tapped holes on
the top of the receiver??
Or did you have to drill and tap?

Thanks and
Regards,
ARNIE

| 129|124|2004-07-10 03:56:19|gryghost|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

It's the Williams WGRS sight for the Marlin list price is $33.

-------Original Message-------

From: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Date: 7/9/2004 8:31:43 PM
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] Marlin 1895 peep sights

Glen and gryghost--
What make and model peep.
Was it the type that mounts using the factory drilled and tapped holes on
the top of the receiver??
Or did you have to drill and tap?

Thanks and
Regards,
ARNIE

| 130|124|2004-07-10 13:13:31|Arnie Talgo|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

Thanks--
It has been shooting real well with 35 grns of IMR 4198 under a 405 grn lee
bullet.
Just love hearing the gong ring
But the rear leaf sight is fuzzy-- I don't want to put a scope on it.
So a peep should do the trick.
Regards,
ARNIE

| 131|124|2004-07-10 16:47:19|Tom Ireland|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

lee
Arnie,

Why not got for a traditional tang sight? Marbles makes one that
requires only one screw hole to be drilled and tapped. The sight
comes with an extra length stock screw that replaces the one that
came with the gun and provides the second anchor point for the sight.
The sight has easy to use click adjustments for both windage and elevation.
It would lengthen your sight radius and put the peep closer to your eye,
where it should be.
Tom I.

| 132|124|2004-07-11 22:38:32|Arnie Talgo|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

Tom--
I've never seen a Marbles tang sight mounted on an 1895/ 45-70--( anyone
have any photos or link to a web site shows it)
-- but I thought about it and conjectured that the throw of the bolt would
interfere with the sight.
Are you using a marbles tang on yours?

I got bored these past few days at camp-- I can ring the 11x11 gong, offhand
at 125 yds all day long. But for the shoulder, I'd have finished off my
reloads. I'll need to tone the 35 grns of 4198 down for plinking-- but I've
got a good hunting load for sure.
Regards,
ARNIE

| 133|124|2004-07-12 02:43:32|Tom Ireland|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

Check out ......... http://www.marblesoutdoors.com/sights/specs/peep.html
.

They list a tang sight for the Marlin model 1895 Cowboy with a product code
no. of
009805. They are pictures on the tang sight main page but not on a rifle.
I have a Marbles tang sight on a Marlin 1894 Cowboy. Also an original Lyman
No. 2 on an original Marlin 1893 38-55. I'm going to install one on my
Marlin
336 Cowboy 30-30. I don't think you would have a problem with bolt throw.
Tom I.

| 134|124|2004-07-12 13:02:07|Arnie Talgo|Re: Marlin 1895 peep sights|

Tom--
You are convincing me--
Can't wait --
ARNIE

| 135|135|2004-07-13 18:29:29|tredegar12|Marlin Spikehorn|

Does anyone here have A Marlin 336Y Spikehorn? It looks like a good
truckgun. I want some feedback from anyone who has one.

| 136|136|2004-07-23 07:08:57|shaner6996|hello gent's , new member|

hello guys , iam an old lever rifle lover thought id join in .

| 137|135|2004-07-23 07:09:08|tredegar12|Marlin Spikehorn|

Does anyone here have A Marlin 339Y Spikehorn? I am considering one
for a truck gun. I would appreciate any feedback.

| 138|136|2004-07-23 07:23:51|Paladin|Re: hello gent's , new member|

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| 139|136|2004-07-23 16:42:29|shaner|Re: hello gent's , new member|

well depends on what iam tradin for ,
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| 140|136|2004-07-23 20:28:04|Paladin|Re: hello gent's , new member|

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Well, whatcha lookin' for??? I gota pile of stuff here I don't need no
more. Whatta ya like t' mess with???

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| 141|136|2004-07-24 05:05:12|shaner|Re: hello gent's , new member|

well iam lookin to get into cowboy shootin need a 45lc lever gun and a double barrel shotgun , all the levers i have arent the right caliber for the rules ,

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| 142|136|2004-07-24 07:35:47|tom patton|Re: hello gent's , new member|

Shaner,
Perhaps you should look into some good shooting programs that have good, reasonable rules.
Try any NRA (that is National Rifle Association) lever action silhouette program. They are listed around the country in Shooting Sports magazine.
You can wear normal footwear and whatever trousers you prefer while shooting.
tom
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| 143|136|2004-07-24 07:41:18|Paladin|Re: hello gents , new member|

--- shaner <shaner6996@... well iam lookin to get into cowboy shootin need a 45lc lever gun and a
double barrel shotgun , all the levers i have arent the right caliber for
the rules,
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Heck, I don't have a .45LC levergun. Have an antique (1870s-vintage)
double 10ga., but it has London Twist barrels and ain't no way I'm gonna
sell it for shootin' --I don't trust those things any further than I can
throw a solid brick outhouse. I guess, having said that, I suppose the
gun would do okay if it was lined to 12ga. or whatever, maybe. It sure is
pretty, age considered. Pretty heavy, too. I suppose that'd make recoil
more controllable....

I know some 'smiths do relines, but right now I can't remember
who........

What caliber levers do you have now???

Paladin

| 144|136|2004-07-24 12:56:33|shaner|Re: hello gents , new member|

yeah that would be an interesting project , not sure it would be very cost effective on the 10 ga , would kill any value it has , plus u'd still have an old gun in 12 ga? ive got 45/70's 2 of them old marlin 32/20 .2-30/30's 2- 22lr's 1- 22mag

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| 145|136|2004-07-24 12:59:27|shaner|Re: hello gent's , new member|

thanks maybe ill look thata way , i didnt relize the nra did those in lever guns i do defensive handgunning now , that is a problem with cowboyin, lot of rules an regulations just to shoot, which leads in to cost from what iam finding out ,

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| 146|136|2004-08-03 06:41:13|avi8tor67|Re: hello gent's , new member [45 wanted]|

--- In Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com, shaner caliber for the rules ,

Hey shaner,

I got a Winchester 'Trapper' in 45 LC.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=534&type_id=094&cat=003C

Few years old w/ a cross-bolt safety - not the tang safety the web
site mentions. Apparently unfired (I've never fired it). Bought from
an estate, haven't got around to shooting it. No box, but it appears
(and feels) new. I'll sell it for what I've got in it: $350 & I'll
pay shipping. You'll need to find an FFL in your neck of the woods to
handle a transfer. I can supply digital pictures. If you're
interested, reply to avi8tor67(at)yahoo.com.

Aviator67

| 147|136|2004-08-03 13:24:18|shaner|Re: hello gent's , new member [45 wanted]|

thanks for the offer , but i can buy that same rifle here for 339.00 i was lookin at them last week , thats plus govt , so bou tthe same price i guess , darn FFL's in my area (ohio ) charge$ 25-35 to recieve firearms they havent sold sort of high in my eye s but thats the deal, i love those trapper models they just handle so great the new model have a safety thats in the grip sort of like a shotgun safe of a over an under it slides forwards an back not sure i like them as well as the cross bolt???

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| 148|136|2004-08-03 16:40:11|Tom Ireland|Re: hello gent's , new member [45 wanted]|

of a over an under it slides forwards an back not sure i like them as well
as the cross
I don't like either of'em. I can't stand the looks of the "Angle Eject"
receiver. As far as I'm concerned, Winchester screwed up a neat
rifle with all of the lawyer advised changes (safety, I mean). Angle eject,
in my opinion, is a useless feature, because scopes don't belong on
neat old lever guns. Rather have a good tang sight, which now, you can't
mount on the new Winchesters, because of the safety.
I'd rather have an older Marlin........pre-crossbolt safety.
Everyone has different opinions......that's what makes horse races.
Tom I.

| 149|136|2004-08-04 01:06:31|shaner|Re: hello gent's , new member [45 wanted]|

well if ya dont like them
maybe u want to really get rid of that one hahahahah relllllllllllllllllllllllllllll cheap????

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| 150|136|2004-08-04 04:51:06|Bryan Lewandowski|Re: hello gent's , new member [45 wanted]|

I like The new Winchesters I bought The new Winchester 94 Legacy in 30-30and yes i mounted a scope on it to it is acuret out to 300 yds.

shaner <shaner6996@... thanks for the offer , but i can buy that same rifle here for 339.00 i was lookin at them last week , thats plus govt , so bou tthe same price i guess , darn FFL's in my area (ohio ) charge$ 25-35 to recieve firearms they havent sold sort of high in my eye s but thats the deal, i love those trapper models they just handle so great the new model have a safety thats in the grip sort of like a shotgun safe of a over an under it slides forwards an back not sure i like them as well as the cross bolt???

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| 151|151|2004-08-16 23:22:36|twoguntom2000|Owner's Manual For Marlin|

Greetings all.

I am looking for a place to download an owner's manual for a Marlin
336 lever action 30/30. I need to do a detailed cleaning and the
spring on the loading door is worn out. They look simple to break
down, but not knowing what is under each screw or if parts will go
airborn when the sideplates are removed has prevented me from doing
it thus far.

Surprisingly, Marlin does NOT offer downloadable owner's manuals at
their site like most manufacturers do.

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| 152|151|2004-08-17 00:25:16|Joe Meyers|Re: Owner's Manual For Marlin|

Here's a link to Brownells schematic pages maybe this will help.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=774&m=9&mn=Marlin%c2%ae&model=336+SS+%2f+C+%2f+CC+%2f+W+%2f+A+%2f+Y+%2f+CB

| 153|151|2004-08-17 01:04:10|twoguntom2000|Re: Owner's Manual For Marlin|

Thanks Joe. That is part of what I was looking for. I know that it
is a "loading spring" now and what it interfaces with.

When you clean one of these things, do you cycle the lever, and scrub
from the muzzle end? Can you or is there a simple breakdown?

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| 154|151|2004-08-17 01:52:46|Tom Ireland|Re: Owner's Manual For Marlin|

They're very easy to take down for cleaning........that's why I love
Marlins.
1. Open the lever about 1/3 of the way.
2. Remove the lever screw.
3. Pull the lever out of the bottom.
4. Pull the bolt out of the rear of the receiver.

Be careful not to loose the ejector. It's just lying there loose
in a groove on the left side of the receiver. Hold youe hand over
the ejection port and turn the rifle over so it falls into your hand.

Now, clean the rifle from the breech, like it should be.
Tom I.

| 155|151|2004-08-17 02:02:23|gryghost|Re: Owner's Manual For Marlin|

Try it this way: 1. Make sure the mag tube and chamber are empty. 2. Open
the lever about 1/3 of the way which will back the bolt partially out. 3.
Remove the lever pivot screw from the receiver. (don't lose it) 4. Remove
the lever carefully and remember how it comes out. 5. Slide the bolt the
rest of the way out, but be sure not to lose the ejector. Make a note of how
the ejector is mounted in the ejector groove. Clean from the breech end and
reassemble the reverse of the above. Note: I use some grease to hold the
ejector in place while I slide the bolt part way in. (Bolt far enough in to
hold the ejector in place and permit installation of lever.) Line up the
lever screw hole and get the lever tip in the bolt properly and you are done
Further disassembly should wait until you are more familiar with the action
components.

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Thanks Joe. That is part of what I was looking for. I know that it
is a "loading spring" now and what it interfaces with.

When you clean one of these things, do you cycle the lever, and scrub
from the muzzle end? Can you or is there a simple breakdown?

2guntom
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| 156|151|2004-08-17 02:05:48|Joe Meyers|Re: Owner's Manual For Marlin|

My son has a .44 Rossi With 24 inch hexagon barrel and mines a .45 16 inch round barrel Saddle Ring Carbine.We bore snake them occasionally at the range and my son tears them down completely once in awhile for a good cleaning from the chamber end.
We shoot cowboy loads and have been using magtech bullets and getting great groups and very little leading. in fact my son swears the magtech bullets have removed lead in the barrel left from other brand lead bullets, that cleaning with a brush and solvent wouldn't completely remove.

| 157|151|2004-08-17 20:36:44|twoguntom2000|Re: Owner's Manual For Marlin|

Thanks Tom and Grayghost.

I knew there had to be an easy way to clean these things.

Whenever someone has a question about firearms, they always ask me.
I am quite obsessed with firearms and that is about all I talk about,
so I guess that makes sense. I don't always have all the answers,
but I'm not afraid to research and ask questions.

Here's the full story-
I have a shooting range out back. A friend from work, Jim, has been
stopping by almost every weekend to go shooting with me. We went
through most of his guns and did a very detailed cleaning. The
exception was his Marlin 336CS 30-30. I told him there probably is a
way to break it all the way down, but since I was unfamilar, I didn't
want to render the gun inoperable.

I was quite intrigued with his Marlin. The scope that is mounted on
it is a Bushnell with bullet drop compensation. He could
consistently hit an 8oz. water bottle out to 150 yards. The whole
time I was saving and polishing the 30-30 brass. I had him convinced
that he needed to start reloading.

My shooting range was 150 yards long. Behind the targets the terrain
drops down hill, then a creek, then it goes up a mountain (my
backdrop). I wanted to have a target at 300 yards, but with the
hills and creek it would be impossible to measure with my surveyors
wheel. I decided to use a little redneck engineering. I scoped a
target at 150 yards and made a reference of how much space it
occupied of the reticle. I turned the target around and hiked up the
mountain. The distance may not be as precise as what I measure with
the surveyors wheel, but it is relatively close. My friend Jim came
over with his atv and a big weedeater so the successive trips weren't
as tiresome.

Shooting his 30-30 at 300 yards was quite interesting. The bullet
drop compensator wasn't much good at that distance. 170 grain
bullets were still 2 - 3 feet low as would be expected normally. I
believe if we play with the scope settings we can improve that. We
just ran out of daylight. After a little research, I found that
switching to a lighter bullet will decrease the drop too. This all
happened this Saturday.

The other part of the story-
I was over at my parents house Sunday. I was talking with my dad
about the new 300 yard target. I encouraged him to come over soon
and bring his Remington 700PSS .308. In the conversation, he asked
if I wanted the leveraction 30-30 back. I had completely forgotten
about giving that gun to him 7 years ago. 7 years ago I didn't need
it and wouldn't get the opportunity to shoot it much. My dad wanted
to do some deer hunting, but lacked the rifle. I gave him the rifle
with the understanding that as long as he needed it, keep it. If you
don't want it anymore, give it back. I got it back Sunday.

I am very happy to say the least. Now I have a Marlin 336 (older
model) 30-30. Since there is double the demand for shells in that
caliber now, I ordered some reloading gear. When it comes in, I'll
head out and get the components. I'm looking at loading 150 grain
for hunting, and 100 - 110 for target shooting at 300 yards.

I'll keep you posted if you're interested.

Thanks again for the help.

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| 158|151|2004-08-17 21:17:27|twoguntom2000|Re: Owner's Manual For Marlin|

That's interesting. I'm not sure if Magtech makes 30-30's, but I
kind of doubt it.

I've changed my cleaning routine drastically. It is of utmost
importance to clean your guns the day that they are shot. I started
cleaning my guns with diluted Simple Green. I quit using nylon bore
brushes and only use the metal ones. I dip the brush in the Simple
Green and push it through the bore a few times. Two more times, dip
and scrub. Next I run a tight patch through (usually 2 squares of
toilet paper). The powder residue is out now. Start over with the
dip and scrub. This time the patch pushes out lead and/or copper
specs and you can actually see them on the patch. If you look in the
barrel at this point you will see some crud actually curling or
flaking up from the grooves. A total of about 6 times of this and
the bore is clean.

Occasionally I get a stubborn groove (just one groove) that has some
crud that won't come out. I'll hit it with a cleaning brush dipped
in Hoppe's No.9 and push pull it through 3 times, then dip and
repeat. I push several patches through then do one more go around
with the Simple Green. Now it's clean.

I don't get the same results just using Hoppe's, Nitro, or any other
solvent including the supposed lead and copper removers. Keep in
mind, my guns are dirty if they get shot. If I shoot them, they get
a minimum of 300 rounds fired through them. Sometimes it is 500 or
more.

Since Simple Green is water based, I then cover everything in 3n1 oil
and let it set for a few minutes. I let the excess run off, and wipe
everything down real good just before re-assembly. And I make sure
the bore is bone dry.

I know this may seem strange or even unorthodox to some. I
discovered the Simple Green when I purchased a cosmoline dipped SKS.
It worked great! I have been using the same $6 bottle of Simple
Green ever since. If I were using Hoppe's, I would have gone through
6 $3 bottles by now. It works better and costs less.

If you should want to try this, first get a small container and fill
it with a 50/50 Simple Green/water mix. Soak all of your cleaning
brushes in this. After a few hours remove the brushes, shake the
excess from them, and put them on a towel to dry. If the Simple
Green solution looks real poluted, discard it. If you don't clean
your brushes first, the solution will be trying to clean your gun and
your brush and won't be as effective at first.

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occasionally at the range and my son tears them down completely once
in awhile for a good cleaning from the chamber end.
getting great groups and very little leading. in fact my son swears
the magtech bullets have removed lead in the barrel left from other
brand lead bullets, that cleaning with a brush and solvent wouldn't
completely remove.
it
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the
will
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| 159|159|2004-08-23 04:02:28|twoguntom2000|I Broke It!|

I broke my Marlin 336 today.
If I cycle the lever it gets locked in the open position. If I take
the lever pivot screw out, and remove the lever, the action will move
forward easily by hand. When I re-insert the lever and screw, the
action will close like there is nothing wrong, but if I open it
again, it locks down again.

I'm thinking the lever is taking the action too far rearward, and/or
the lever is getting hung on something inside.

Any ideas of where I should look?

2gun

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| 160|159|2004-08-23 05:09:31|Bryan Lewandowski|Re: I Broke It!|

I hate to say this but you should of bought a Winchester 94 you have that prblem

twoguntom2000 <twoguntom2000@... If I cycle the lever it gets locked in the open position. If I take
the lever pivot screw out, and remove the lever, the action will move
forward easily by hand. When I re-insert the lever and screw, the
action will close like there is nothing wrong, but if I open it
again, it locks down again.

I'm thinking the lever is taking the action too far rearward, and/or
the lever is getting hung on something inside.

Any ideas of where I should look?

2gun

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| 161|159|2004-08-23 06:11:47|twoguntom2000|Re: I Broke It! [clarification]|

Are you saying this is a common problem with the Marlins? How do you
fix it?

I really wanted a M94 Ranger Compact in .357MAg. This one was
used...... a 30-30......now I have reloading equip. and components,
and I'm miffed.

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| 162|162|2004-08-23 15:49:35|gryghost|Fw: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: I Broke It! [clarification]|

-------Original Message-------

From: gryghost
Date: 08/23/04 09:16:18
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: I Broke It! [clarification]

-------Original Message-------

From: gryghost
Date: 08/23/04 07:53:00
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: I Broke It! [clarification]

Bull hockey, the Marlin is much superior to the post '64 Win 94 in my nsho!
And the pre '64s are not nearly as strong, but are very smooth. It sounds
like you may have the ejector out of position. Try removing the ejector and
then working the action with the lever inserted thru the bolt properly. That
will answer the question.

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From: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/23/04 00:12:34
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: I Broke It! [clarification]

Are you saying this is a common problem with the Marlins? How do you
fix it?

I really wanted a M94 Ranger Compact in .357MAg. This one was
used...... a 30-30......now I have reloading equip. and components,
and I'm miffed.

2gun

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| 163|159|2004-08-24 02:30:57|Bryan Lewandowski|Re: I Broke It! [clarification]|

I can not tell how to fix that problem, but Winchester been around along time and never herd of that happening to Now myself I have owned a Winchesters rifles for along time and never encountered that plus my Winchester Ranger that use to have ( before tradeing it in for a new Winchester 94 Legacy in 30-30) had 1000's of rounds put threw it with fast cycling
twoguntom2000 <twoguntom2000@... fix it?

I really wanted a M94 Ranger Compact in .357MAg. This one was
used...... a 30-30......now I have reloading equip. and components,
and I'm miffed.

2gun

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| 164|162|2004-08-24 02:35:19|Bryan Lewandowski|Re: Fw: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: I Broke It! [clarification]|

As for you grygost I will put my Winchester 94 Legacy 30-30 up against your Marlin any day

gryghost <gryghost@...
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From: gryghost
Date: 08/23/04 09:16:18
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: I Broke It! [clarification]

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From: gryghost
Date: 08/23/04 07:53:00
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: I Broke It! [clarification]

Bull hockey, the Marlin is much superior to the post '64 Win 94 in my nsho!
And the pre '64s are not nearly as strong, but are very smooth. It sounds
like you may have the ejector out of position. Try removing the ejector and
then working the action with the lever inserted thru the bolt properly. That
will answer the question.

-------Original Message-------

From: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/23/04 00:12:34
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: I Broke It! [clarification]

Are you saying this is a common problem with the Marlins? How do you
fix it?

I really wanted a M94 Ranger Compact in .357MAg. This one was
used...... a 30-30......now I have reloading equip. and components,
and I'm miffed.

2gun

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| 165|162|2004-08-25 08:06:25|twoguntom2000|Re: I Broke It! and Now I Fixed It!|

grayghost,

thank you for the suggestion. That wasn't it, but it was worth
looking into.

The screw on the bottom of the triggerguard assembly closest to the
forend was seized up. I had to let it soak in oil a few days to
loosen up. I don't want to rehash the whole story, but it is posted
here
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/2guntom/message/29

Thanks again for your advice. After breaking that gun down all the
way, I really like it.

Long live the Marlins!

2gun

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| 166|162|2004-08-26 00:27:29|grrewssum|Re: I Broke It! and Now I Fixed It!|

-Great! glad you found the problem. Sounds like that screw may be a
bit too long.

| 167|162|2004-08-27 00:56:13|twoguntom2000|Re: I Broke It! and Now I Fixed It!|

Na, it was just being stubborn. The rifle is an older one. It was
used when I got it 7 - 8 years ago. There was just some rust or gunk
making the screw difficult to remove.

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| 168|168|2004-08-27 01:06:44|shaner6996|new 94|

hey gents , bought a band new trails end this past week 45colt ive
shot 100 rounds thru it an its still tight the first half of the
lever motion is tight an makes u work on it to finish it open , any
idea on a good way to loosein her up alittle ive tried alcohol heheh
didnt loosein her up any its a fine shooting accurate thing i will
say so far with 250 gr lead

| 169|168|2004-08-27 01:26:34|gryghost|Re: new 94|

If you are a mechanic, disassembly will show you where contact is made.
(the shiny spots) Some judicious polishing of these surfaces will probably
help. Otherwise, more alcohol and keep cycling for a while.

-------Original Message-------

From: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/26/04 19:06:54
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] new 94

hey gents , bought a band new trails end this past week 45colt ive
shot 100 rounds thru it an its still tight the first half of the
lever motion is tight an makes u work on it to finish it open , any
idea on a good way to loosein her up alittle ive tried alcohol heheh
didnt loosein her up any its a fine shooting accurate thing i will
say so far with 250 gr lead

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| 170|162|2004-08-27 01:29:04|gryghost|Re: I Broke It! and Now I Fixed It!|

I must have missed something in your original post or misunderstood
something. The screw I thought you were talking about doesn't have to come
out to remove the lever??

-------Original Message-------

From: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/26/04 18:56:22
To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Leveraction-Rifle] Re: I Broke It! and Now I Fixed It!

Na, it was just being stubborn. The rifle is an older one. It was
used when I got it 7 - 8 years ago. There was just some rust or gunk
making the screw difficult to remove.

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| 171|162|2004-08-27 06:19:44|twoguntom2000|Re: I Broke It! and Now I Fixed It!|

Yep, it's my fault. My original question was how to break one down
for cleaning. That was easy. Just remove the lever pivot screw,
lever and action.

Then I started to reload 30-30's. My sizing die is faulty. It
doesn't size a tiny section of the case neck just above the
shoulder. This fact had eluded me at first. What happened is the
reloaded shells were hard to chamber. I had one that didn't want to
go in so I tried to eject it. The bullet stuck in the chamber, but
the case was ejected. In the process powder went everywhere. I
drove the bullet out, then flushed out the action with an aerosol gun
cleaner. At this point, the lever would open the action, but it
would not close. The gun was locked open. If I removed the lever
pivot screw and lever, I could push the action back in and reassemble
the gun. If I cycled the lever back again, it would lock open
again.

I tried to completely disassemble the gun. From the parts diagram I
printed from Brownell's, it appeared that I needed to remove the
trigger guard first. The screw at the top of the stock came out
fine. The other screw, the one on the underside by the forend would
not budge at all. I soaked it in oil and left it alone for a few
days.

I tried the screw again, and got a quarter of a turn. I flooded it
with more oil and worked it back and forth. More oil, kept working
it. I started to remove what I could from the gun to take a little
tension off that stubborn screw. I finally worked the screw out. I
disassembled the gun all the way. The problem was the shell
elevator/carrier. There was still gun powder that stuck on the front
and either side. It was wedged in place and couldn't move.

When you move the lever to close the action, this is the point where
the shell elevator/carrier raises the cartridge to bring it in line
with the chamber. This is also the lever's point of least leverage.
With little leverage and a lot of gunpowder jamming up the works, it
would seem that the gun was locked up.

I cleaned everything out thoroughly, oiled everything, reassembled,
at it works just fine.

I had posted at several groups trying to find a solution to my
dilemma. I had posted what happened and what I found elsewhere.
Sorry about that. That's what I get for being a member of so many
groups. I have several different conversations going in several
different groups at the same time. That can get a little confusing.

I switched from talking about minor disassembly for cleaning to
complete disassembly.

Sorry for spreading the confusion here.
Thanks for all the help.

2gun

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| 172|162|2004-08-27 14:57:30|gryghost|Re: I Broke It! and Now I Fixed It!|

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| 173|173|2004-08-29 13:33:04|shaner6996|still breakin in the new 94|

every evening i run 75 or so rounds of 45long colt thru her , i
really enjoy shooting this new 94, ive been useing 250-255gr hard
cast hard lubed bullets with red dot powder , 5.5gr under them with
not a bit of trouble , so i switched it 200gr lyman soft lube
bullets and 5gr of clays ,when i shot this load in the 94 i get what
ill call blowback out the top of the rifle, where it closes around
the chamber, any ideas why this would be happening?

| 174|173|2004-08-29 16:26:44|Rick A. Shay|Re: still breakin in the new 94|

Sounds like a lack of obturation to me - caused by a low pressure load.

The case probably isn't sealing the chamber at the front sufficiently to
prevent gas from escaping.

What type pf crimp did you use?

Check your load. I wouldn't load any hotter than your manual advises,
though. Clays should be a good general powder for you with that caliber.

Rick Shay
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every evening i run 75 or so rounds of 45long colt thru her , i
really enjoy shooting this new 94, ive been useing 250-255gr hard
cast hard lubed bullets with red dot powder , 5.5gr under them with
not a bit of trouble , so i switched it 200gr lyman soft lube
bullets and 5gr of clays ,when i shot this load in the 94 i get what
ill call blowback out the top of the rifle, where it closes around
the chamber, any ideas why this would be happening?

| 175|173|2004-08-29 16:37:56|shaner|Re: still breakin in the new 94|

hanks rick , yes its a roll type crimp not real deep, the load is mid range starts at 4.5 so iam at 5.5 an it only does it with this bullet???
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| 176|176|2004-09-01 03:28:27|Ross|Hi, I'm new|

I'm on a mission. I've been trying to find a .44 mag.Winchester
Trapper that has a long enough chamber to take a Garrett Hammerhead.
As strange as that sounds, some of them will. Paco Kelly has one
that will and a Rossi .44 that will take the Hammerhead.
I kinda hate to ask this question, but almost everyone on every site
agrees with me, so I'll ask it: The Winchesters are usually loose
and sloppy when new. They rattle like a toy. That does not mean
they are inferior; the 1911 rattles also. I would like a
recommendation for a good Winchester gunsmith.
If any of you have a Trapper and have shot a Hammerhead, would you
mind sharing your experience with me, please.
Thank you,
Ross

| 177|176|2004-09-01 06:02:51|shaner|Re: Hi, I'm new|

well i ll show my stupid side , whats a hammerhead bullet?

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| 178|176|2004-09-01 11:38:51|Tom Ireland|Re: Hi, I'm new|

What in the dickens is a Garret Hammerhead and why would you want to shoot
it?
Tom I.

| 179|176|2004-09-01 11:47:01|Rick A. Shay|Re: Hi, I'm new|

For those of us who had to look that one up:

http://www.garrettcartridges.com/products.asp

Rick
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What in the dickens is a Garret Hammerhead and why would you want to shoot
it?
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| 180|176|2004-09-01 11:59:51|Tom Ireland|Re: Hi, I'm new|

Thanks, Rick. I learn something new everyday. But at my age, I may not
remember it tomorrow. ;-)
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| 181|176|2004-09-01 13:21:44|shaner|Re: Hi, I'm new|

yeah u an me both tom, i never heard of those till now? or wait have i????? hahahaa
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| 182|176|2004-09-01 18:35:50|rick.a.shay@comcast.net|Re: Hi, I'm new|

Yeah, me too, Tom.

Both as to the "I don't know what that is," and the "I'll probably forget tomorrow, again."

As for me, I like rifles and handguns of 'lesser' recoil now...

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| 183|176|2004-09-01 19:18:51|twoguntom2000|Re: Hi, I'm new|

E-gads man! That cartridge looks like some hot stuff!
(Thanks for the link to the website guys. Pretty neat stuff)

First, you need to get a rifle or find one that has already had the
smithing done(if the smithing has already been done, I doubt the
owner would sell it). Basically you are needing the chamber and
forcing cone(if it has one) of your rifle extended to occomodate a
longer bullet. A .44 caliber chamber reamer is all that is needed;
actually if it is reamed, it should be polished too. Any
experienced, competent gunsmith should be able to handle this(in
theory). Measure the OAL of the Hammerheads and cut the chamber deep
enough so the bullet just almost engages the rifling when chambered,
but not quite. The negative side is that you will probably suffer
accuracy losses with regular .44mags.; you will only be able to use
the hammerheads.

In my area it is difficult to find a good competent gunsmith. I have
tried several and have been disappointed. When my gun comes back,
the problem is still there and I end up finding the real solution
myself. I simply lack the tools and the customer base to pay for
them.

There is one smith left, and from what I've seen he does great work.
His work is good enough that I am going to try to get a job working
for him. I am scrambling trying to get enrolled in the necessary
classes to pad my resume. I'll be talking to him soon; I can ask
about your querry when I'm there.

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| 184|176|2004-09-01 20:06:20|Ross|Re: Hi, I'm new|

As Dirty Harry said, a good man knows his own limitations...or
something like that.

| 185|176|2004-09-01 20:29:22|Ross|Re: Hi, I'm new|

Here's another site you might want to read about the Hammerheads.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/garrett.htm

Since no one seems to know much about it, I should explain. The
Hammerhead, of course, has more recoil than the usual .44 mag,
however, it certainly doesn't come close to the big-game rifles,
the .45-70, the .454 Casull, etc. If the Hammerhead recoil scares
anyone, they should not try the big stuff. The Hammerhead is easily
capable of taking black bear, and, for those who shoot straight, it
can take a Griz. I didn't say it is a Grizzly caliber, I said it
can, in the hands of an experienced shooter who is a marksman and
isn't afraid of recoil. The reason for wanting a Trapper with a long
enough chamber to take the Hammerhead is that when I fly fish I
can't have a rifle. When fishing I use a customized four-inch
Redhawk with Garretts. At all other times a rifle is in the truck.
It's just nice to have the same caliber rifle and pistol. Grizzlys
aren't usually a problem where I fish, but black bears are as
abundant as wild berries. I'm fully aware that many people hunt
bear (why, I don't know) with a.44 mag handgun. But it doesn't hurt
to add a little insurance. I think the article I've provided the URL
for should clear things up a bit.

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| 186|186|2004-09-07 23:08:16|twoguntom2000|Shooting Report|

I went shooting Sunday. I was quite pleased with that Marlin 336 30-
30. I had removed the scope and was wanting to use it with just
plain sights. The rear sight had me a little concerned because it is
a wide V-notch. It shot just fine. I had to tap the rear site a
little with a hammer to adjust the windage. I was blowing up water-
filled 2-liters at 50 yards with ease. I just love the air time you
get with the 170gr softpoints! The 2-liter jettisoned about 20 feet
in the air, a little hang time, then plummetted back to earth. Love
it!

I was using factory ammo. I had all but given up on reloading when a
friend offered to help. I have all of the components, all I need to
do is buy the dies for him. He said he would gladly load for me and
I would just owe him a favor. I don't think I can beat that deal.

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| 187|187|2004-09-12 14:32:48|shaner6996|question for all members!!|

how many levers do u own ?
which one do u shoot more often

myself i have 5
30/30
357
45lc
22lr
22mag

;ately its been the 45lc since i just got it 2weeks ago !!!win
trails end model , iam startin to really like it still shoppin for
reloads for it ?

| 188|187|2004-09-13 08:08:35|Paladin|Re: question for all members!!|

--- shaner6996 <shaner6996@... how many levers do u own ?
which one do u shoot more often
--------------------------------------------------------------

I think around a dozen or so. Can't remember how many are in storage.

Lately, I've been enjoying cast bullets in a Winchester Model 94 .30-30.

Probably my favorite is a rather loose Winchester Model 1892 in .38-40.
It's total fun.

I also enjoy, but don't use often, my Rossi Model 92 in .357.

My Rossi Model 92 in .44-40 is becoming more interesting and enjoyable
than I expected. It's going to get shot quite a bit now that I've figured
out how best to feed it with cast bullets....

It's been years since I did much shooting with the others. I reckon I
do not have any leveractions in heavy calibers now. That's just as
well....

Paladin

| 189|187|2004-09-19 23:03:00|nastyandy444|Re: question for all members!!|

I myself have 4 levers.

Winchester BigBore AE 444
Marlin Pre Saftey 24 in. barrel 444
Marlin Pre Saftey 26 in. barrel 35/444
Winchester 9422 Mag Delux

I shoot the Winchester Bigbore 444 and the 35/444 the most.

Andy

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| 190|187|2004-09-20 03:00:03|Tom Ireland|Re: question for all members!!|

Let's see......

I have a Marlin 336 Cowboy 30-30;
a Marlin 1894 Cowboy 45 Colt;
a Marlin 1894 original in 38/40;
a Marlin 1894 Cowboy relined to 38-40;
a Marlin 1893 38-55;
a Marlin 39A 22LR
a Marlin 1894 44 mag......soon to be a 44-40;
a Marlin 336T 30-30.......another project gun.
and, for a short time, a Winchester 64A 30-30.
The Winchester will be auctioned off in about 2 weeks.
That makes 8 for the time being.

I shoot the 38-40's more than any of them. The 1893
38-55 is the next most shot. Then the 1894 45 Colt.
They are fun to shoot and interesting to reload.
Tom I.

| 191|191|2004-09-22 09:48:18|davhue68|357|

I am looking for a lever action in 357 caliber. Trying to get into
Cowboy action shooting and need a rifle to match my pistols.
Bob D

| 192|191|2004-09-22 11:34:12|Howard Potash|Re: 357|

Marlin model 1894 C is 357/38 spl ,Walmart about #367.00 out the door
Howard J.
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| 193|193|2004-09-23 02:46:12|nastyandy444|marlin 336 in 219 zipper|

i am thinking about picking up an old marlin 336 in 219 zipper
for$600.00 does anybody know about them ?? think its a good deal??

| 194|193|2004-09-23 03:16:42|Tom Ireland|Re: marlin 336 in 219 zipper|

Depends on the condition of the rifle. To bring that kind of money,
in my mind, it should be damn near mint. I'm not aware that 219
Zipper's command a premium, but maybe they do. It's a neat old
cartridge but you will have to reload to continue shooting it. It's
no longer manufactured by any of the ammunition companies that I
know of.
Tom I.

| 195|193|2004-09-23 05:27:41|shaner6996|Re: marlin 336 in 219 zipper|

well i dont know much about the caliber , but the price i suppose
would be close , 500 would be better hahahah i know ive been lookin
for a marlin lever in 218 bee an they all bring 500+ so ur probobly
righton

| 196|193|2004-09-23 05:46:09|Paladin|Re: marlin 336 in 219 zipper|

--- nastyandy444 <amhenderson@... i am thinking about picking up an old marlin 336 in 219 zipper for
$600.00 does anybody know about them ?? think its a good deal??
--------------------------------------------------------------------- First, this rifle is priced at twice its actual value.

Second, this rifle and caliber proved to be unable to provide the tiny
groups demanded by varmint shooters of its day. Consequently, sales
lagged and production ended.

Third, the combination probably ought to be re-explored using modern
components. However, even if it proves possible to develop the
"cloverleaf" grouping loads one expects from the .22 bore, the rifle
remains specific mainly to certain kinds of hunting, such as coyote, etc.

The flip side is, if someone thinks this is a nifty rifle and has that
kind of money, and wants to screw around with all the details (including
making cases, etc.), then the practical assessment of its value is
measured not in its use for hunting, but whether it is a diverting and fun
recreational investment in its own right.

Paladin

| 197|191|2004-09-25 18:16:08|twoguntom2000|Re: 357|

I found this link in the NEF yahoo group. If you want to shop at
home before a gun purchase, this is a cool link.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/catalog.gsp?cat=170080&path=0%3A4125%
3A4155%3A170\080

[you may have to copy/paste that link]
I can't say that buying guns from Walmart is a good thing. When you
are on a budget like me you are forced to do what fits in the budget.

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| 198|198|2004-10-25 04:37:36|nastyandy444|marlin 336 219 zipper|

ok bought rifle,for $550.00. now i have to make brass for it.i am
using 25/35 brass and cutting them down and then neking them down.i
fond some loads on the web, so in a coulple weeks sould have some
loads to take to the range. thanks andy

| 199|199|2004-11-11 02:08:02|rikkicat94545|custom guide gun|

looking for info on cow pilot take down .i lost bookmark
need help.

thank you
doug cale
foresthill ca

| 200|199|2004-11-11 02:44:49|Rick A. Shay|Re: custom guide gun|

Try this one, Doug.

http://www.wildwestguns.com/CoPilot_And_Guide_Rifles/body_copilot_and_guide_
rifles.html

or

http://snipurl.com/ajx3

Rick Shay
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| 201|201|2004-11-11 03:21:38|shaner6996|removal of glenfield 30a forearm?|

anyone know an easy way to remove these ? i loosined all the screws
around it , but she is still tight wont come off do i have to remove
the hole magazine tube also ? and if so is this a toughy?

| 202|199|2004-11-12 22:32:20|Doug Cale|Re: custom guide gun|

the co-polit is what i was after
thank you

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| 203|203|2004-11-14 20:23:25|alongcountryroads|.32 Winchester Special|

Has anyone ever shot this caliber with black powder? Since it was
originally conceived as a dual purpose casing for both black or
smokeless, it is kind of unique. Any experience or comments on this
or loading for this caliber in general?

| 204|203|2004-12-03 03:01:58|ku4fl|Re: .32 Winchester Special|

No experience, but I'd sure love to have one, preferably in a pre-'64
M94. With the 1:16" rifling twist, it should be great for cast
bullets with either black or smokeless.
I think NEI has a plainbase bullet mould in the 180-200 grain range,
that works for the .32/40 and, presumably, the .32 Special.
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| 205|205|2004-12-09 04:58:38|Daniel Brighina|marlin 30-30 for wild hogs|

HI, I'm new in the group, It is good to know that there are some
people that like the same that you do...
I did shoot 3 wild hogs in central California (two this year) with
my Remington .270; now in my next trip I will take my old Marlin 30-
30 out of the closet.
If any one had shot a wild boar with a 30-30 Winchester I would like
to know about his experience.
I will use Remington 170g factory ammo, and shots will be in the
range of 100 to 150 yard. My rifle has a 6x scope and it print in
the range about 2" at 100yrd (most of it, without the flyer)
At that distance; is the 30-30 enough medicine for a 300/400 pounds
boar? Does Remington 170g have enough penetration on those critters?
I know that the 30-30 Winchester works well in soft skin animals
like a deer; I'm just concern about how tuff those pigs are...
Thanks for the info.
Daniel

| 206|206|2004-12-24 18:31:24|bob davy|brass|

I am going to be needing some brass in quantities
soon,
What is a good price to pay for .38 spl, .45 ACP and
30-30 preowned brass for reloading?
Bob D

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| 207|206|2004-12-25 01:33:04|Tom Ireland|Re: brass|

Depends.......I guess......on where you buy. Midway usually has
once fired 38 Spec and 45ACP........can't remember what it sells for tho.
Rifle brass usually sells for 5 - 10 cents a case.
Tom I.

| 208|206|2004-12-26 16:55:41|Jay Loveless|Re: brass|

For the .45 acp, I suggest you look at Jeff Bartlett's page,
http://www.gibrass.com . He has various offerings, ranging between
53.00/1000 and 73.00/1000 depending on the quality and how much work you
are willing to put into cleaning and primer pocket crimp removal you are
willing to put in. You might also want to look at
http://www.starlinebrass.com, though, because for very little more money
you can get top of the line brand new brass there. Right now, they have
.38 Special brass at 83.00 per 1000 and .45 acp brass at 99.00 per
thousand. That price is also better than it looks since when you order
from Starline, the shipping is included, so those prices I quoted are
the total to your door. It is also, IMNTBHO, the best brass on the
market.

Jay
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What is a good price to pay for .38 spl, .45 ACP and
30-30 preowned brass for reloading?
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| 209|209|2005-01-02 19:35:32|Ross|1894 Winchester|

I would very much appreciate it if someone could tell me the value
of my 1894 Winchester. Serial # is 707xxx. It has an octagon bbl.
and is marked .30 WCF (is this a .30-30 that can use modern ammo?)
It is stamped "especially for smokeless powder") It has a steel
curved butt plate, and is stamped "Model 1894 WINCHESTER" on the
metal (tang?) that the stock is joined to. Bluing is gone. Any
information you could provide, even where to find more infor, would
be much appreciated.
Thank you

| 210|209|2005-01-02 20:02:55|Tom Ireland|Re: 1894 Winchester|

Ross,
Is the stock cracked, chipped or broken? Is there any original stock
finish?
Is the metal bright white or dull brown? Is the bore smooth and shiney?
Or dark and rough? Are the sights original to the gun? What's the barrel
length? Are the screw heads buggered up? Or nice straight slots?
Is the metal pitted anywhere?
These are some of the things a collector looks for in evaluating a gun.
The closer to original the gun, is the higher it's value.
Yes, it will shoot modern 30-30 factory ammunition.
I've seen 1894's sell at gun auctions for anywhere from $350.00 to $1800.00
and higher. Your's doesn't sound like it would be in the area of the
higher end guns.
Tom I.

| 211|209|2005-01-05 03:55:49|Ross|Re: 1894 Winchester|

It's probably at the lower end due to the bluing being gone. It's
just a shiny metal now. Works real well, though.
Thanks for the response.
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barrel
gun.
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| 212|212|2005-01-22 22:49:42|Ross|.454|

Is anyone still active here:)
Have any of you ever heard of the Winchester Legacy in .454. Is it
still being produced? I heard they had problems with it and
discontinued it. Some of the guys on the .454 Yahoo Group would
like to know. If you would, please let us know,by responding here,
or joining the group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/454casull/
Thank you for any help you can be.
Ross (dzrtram)

| 213|213|2005-01-23 22:48:42|william iorg|Re: Digest Number 87|

DZ,
I dont think Winchester ever produced a Model 94 in .454.

I read on leverguns that someone tried to convert several and it did not
work.

Try a search of alod threads on leverguns.com.

I remeber they tried both the Marlin and the Winchester and neither one
worked. Funny how the Model 92's work isnt it?

Slim

| 214|214|2005-01-24 23:17:54|DesertRam|Re: Digest Number 88|

I asked Jeff Quinn about the Winchester because of Paco's article on Gun Blast. He forwarded my email to Paco, and Paco cleared it up for me; NO Winchester has been able to handle the .454. Paco has a Puma 92 that works very well, even after thouands of rounds. Winchester and Marlin should be embarrassed. There is a demand. A friend and I tried to find a .454 web site or Yahoo Group, but could not, so he started one -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/454casull/
We had 30 members and well over 100 messages in three days, so there is an interest

Thanks for the response,
Ross
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DZ,
I dont think Winchester ever produced a Model 94 in .454.

I read on leverguns that someone tried to convert several and it did not
work.

Try a search of alod threads on leverguns.com.

I remeber they tried both the Marlin and the Winchester and neither one
worked. Funny how the Model 92's work isnt it?

Slim
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| 215|212|2005-01-26 02:55:02|william iorg|.454|

It is just that the Model 94 and the Model 336 are breeched differently. No
one envisioned these high pressure handgun rounds 100 or so years ago!

The modern .454 in a 20" barrel carbie will exceed the baliistics of the
.45-90 with the same 300 grain bullet. The .454 will do this with modern
brass and no problems with air space in a large case.

Mic Mcpherson will convert a Marlin Model 94 to .50AE which will exceed the
.50-70 Govt in the 20" barrel.

The new S&W .460 will be an amazing cartridge with a rumored operating range
of 70,000 PSI! This is in the .270 Winchester range.

Slim

| 216|212|2005-01-26 02:55:49|william iorg|.454|

| 217|212|2005-01-26 02:57:04|william iorg|.454|

| 218|212|2005-01-26 19:35:31|Ross|Re: .454|

Do you have any experience with the .454 that you could share with
us on the .454 site? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/454casull/
Most of us are just beginners trying to learn all we can about this
cartridge and the guns that go with it.

Thanks for any help you can be.

Ross(dzrtram)

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modern
exceed the
operating range

| 219|219|2005-01-26 19:51:06|william iorg|Triple posting|

Sorry about that, Not quite sure how it happened.

Slim

| 220|219|2005-01-26 19:59:07|rick.a.shay@comcast.net|Re: Triple posting|

Not to worry, Slim.

It's a problem which crops up occasionally with the Yahoo groups.

It's on their side.

Rick Shay
Colorado

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| 221|191|2005-02-04 04:53:15|nordster0|Re: 357|

I use the winchester .357 mag short saddle carbine for cowboy
action shooting. I don't remember variant number, but it is a model 94
something or other. It was just over $300 and has been a dandy. I
have a recommendation: the Lyman #2 Tang sight. Nuff said. Try one and
you'll see what I mean. I need to install the one I just got on my
Marlin .44 mag cowboy.

Happy CAS,

TL

| 222|222|2005-02-18 19:36:24|nordster0|Re: Brass|

I have to agree with the other fellow, starlinebrass.com is the
best place to get handgun brass. They also make straight wall rifle
brass in a number of offerings.

For bottle neck rifle cases visit midwayusa.com or grafs.com and
buy new Remington or Winchester cases. Grafs also has their own
headstamp in a few calibers. For the very best rifle cases Lapua or
Norma but, have your wallet ready. I have used Lapua and they are
well worth it. I have yet to spend the exorbitant amount that Norma
wants.

Happy Hunting,

TL

| 223|223|2005-02-22 01:48:17|William Iorg|200 grain RCBS bullet|

Anyone here shooting the 200 grain RCBS cast bullet in the .358
or .356?

Slim

| 224|223|2005-02-22 02:37:22|grlatham|Re: 200 grain RCBS bullet|

Slim,
No, but have tried it in the .35 Rem. Good bullet.
Glenn

| 225|223|2005-02-22 18:05:47|William Iorg|Re: 200 grain RCBS bullet|

Glen,

I agree great bullet. I am comparing a .358 Winchester-Savage M-99 to
a pair of .356 Winchester-Model 94 Big Bore rifles. In the
Winchesters have shot the 200 grain RCBS bullet at speeds of 2100 fps
into less than four inch groups (not all of the groups were that
small!). Reducing the velocity to 2000 fps reduces the group size
about an inch. I have not had this level of success with the Savage.
The indications are it will shoot well but I am having trouble doing
everything the same for each shot.
These bullets are about 20bhn as measured by my Lee hardness tester.
I have
seated the Hornady gas checks using the Lyman gas check seater on my
450
lubricator/sizer. I then hand lube the bullets with Javelina Alox and
shoot
them unsized. Loaded to 2.500" for the Savage and 2.550" for the
Winchester
both rifles have just slight resistance as the cartridges are
chambered and
the action is closed. Not a tight squeeze on the lever but just
a "feel" as
the action is closed.
I have used Hodgdon Varget and Alliant Reloader 15 while looking for
hunting loads. The Winchesters and the Savage are enough different
that
shooting them from the bench has required some adjustment to my bench
set up.
Developing good bench technique with the Savage 99 has been difficult
with hunting loads. I have tried some reduced loads to improve my
technique. Loads with Alliants Unique and 2400 have not given the
accuracy I need to improve. I switched powder to one a bit slower.
33.0 grains of IMR 3031 proving to be THE LOAD for both the Savage
and the Winchester rifles at 50 yards. This load is consistently
giving me just shy of 1650fps and has been shooting some 3/4 to 1"
groups at 50 yards. I loaded these loads in Winchester .358 cases and
shot them in both rifles to eliminate the variables. I will now load
them in their respective .358 and .356 cases. No effort was made with
any of
the reduced loads to position the powder charge. Now that I have the
load worked out I'll move out to 100 yards and see if I can learn to
shoot groups with the Savage.
The Savage is a straight stock Model 99A and will not feed the 200-
grain
RCBS bullet from the magazine. Out of curiosity mostly, I am looking
around for anyone shooting the RCBS bullet in a .358 Savage 99. I am
curious if other Savage 99's will feed the RCBS bullet from the
magazine?

Slim

| 226|223|2005-02-23 02:42:20|grlatham|Re: 200 grain RCBS bullet|

Slim,
I agree the bench technique can be a bear to figure out with the
leverguns. The M-336 .35 Rem. is a recent acquisition, and I've only shot
it a couple times. The last time out I tried putting the front rest just
ahead of the receiver and reaching around the rest and gripping the fore end
firmly with my left hand. It seemed to work pretty well.
I have an old Sav. 99 in .25-35 Ack. Imp. and it's a picky feeder. I
gave up on using the magazine. I don't hunt with it anyway.
Glenn

| 227|227|2005-02-24 02:06:02|william iorg|Re: Digest Number 95|

Glen,

I have tried the but plate wedges from Brownells on the Winchesters. This is
a wedge that kicks the toe of the stock out 3/4". This has the effet of
reducing the drop and reducing the felt recoil on the bench.

I shoot several .30-30AI rifles and really enjoy them.
I like the .25-35. My current rifle is a 24" TC barrel. This is quite a
varmit rifle. I am going to buy one of the new Winchester M-94's in .25-35.
My intent is to rechamber it to Francis Sells .25-35 Tomcat. This is similar
to the 7-30 Waters case shape.

I will be off line a day or two but when I get back I would like to discuss
your .25-35AI load experiamce.

William Iorg

| 228|228|2005-03-21 03:24:50|nordster0|Unknowingly Supporting the Enemy|

Knowledge is power. You have heard this before. Now for the
knowledge. To find out how we are financially supporting the enemy,
visit this website: nraila.org (I hope you all belong to the NRA),
at the bottom of the homepage click on site map. A small window will
pop up then click on fact sheets and close the small window. At the
bottom of the fact sheet page click on the more items directory.
Select the heading called: National Organizations with Anti- Gun
Policies. This will open a very long list of prominent businesses,
movie stars, musicians, national organizations and so forth who all
have donated time and/or money and/or their vocal public support to
those who would take away our rights to keep and bear arms.

If you believe (as I do) in your right to keep and bear arms you
will make it a point to tell others of this list. That is not enough.
You will also make it a point to boycott those on this list. One
person making a boycott won't make a difference. Many thousands who
join ranks in the same cause will.

It could be a serious change of lifestyle if you like to wear
Levi's and watch Julia Roberts movies. Make a small sacrifice and act
on the information that the NRA has provided us. These people are
attacking our way of life. Will you stand for that? I hope not.

Thank You,

TL

| 229|229|2005-06-23 20:26:14|Doug Norval|History of Rossi Company and Lever Action Rifles|

Hi Everybody,

I am the Chairman of The Lever Action Rifle Association of South Africa and we are trying to research the history of Rossi Firearms and the company but are not having much luck.

So far we have found various sites but not much info past,

"The Rossi revolution of firearm design and manufacture started with the founding of the company in 1889 by Amadeo Rossi. Over the last 115 years, that tradition has grown along with the company and the Rossi Family. The Rossi name represents a piece of firearm history and a tradition of excellence. "

I emailed Rossi Brazil and they pointed me to the RossiUSA site but it does not give the history of the company in any detail. The serial number lookups only cover their firearms, and there is no information on the differences between the older Rossi leveractions and the newer ones that they sell with the safety etc and in fact it doesn't cover LeverActions at all.

It is simply not informative at all.

I have had my personal Rossi 357 LeverAction for some 13 years, it has worked hard and well, I have played with it and hunted, I have modified it and it is accurate.

Many of our members have Rossi firearms as they are affordable, but there is almost no published information about them. The website www.leverguns.com has information about lots of different makes but Rossi is not one of them, our site, www.lara.co.za has some information about the models but we have not been able to source more than a paragraph on the history of the company.

We now know who started Rossi and when, BUT......where was it started, what did they offer, where were they manufactured, was manufacture subcontracted, when were leveractions introduced, what made Rossi copy the 1892 Winchester etc, what happened in the early and mid 1900's, more information is requested on the move to Braztech, Taurus and RossiUSA. More information is required on the various models offered during the years , the calibres, why discontinued, sales figures etc.

Please can you help point us to some informative resources.

Thanks and Regards

Doug Norval
Chairman
The Lever Action Rifle Association (SA)
the.chairman@...

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| 230|230|2005-06-25 18:59:26|william iorg|Re: Digest Number 98|

You need to post this same question on Leverguns.com then Beartooth Bullets
Shooters Forum and 24 Hour Campfire. Leverguns will probably give the
immediate and knowladgeable responce you are looking for.

Slim

| 231|229|2005-06-27 11:52:32|shaner|Re: History of Rossi Company and Lever Action Rifles|

that would be an interesting topic to know about ,for years ive wondered about them ,wish i could help yu out ive own a lot of rossi taurus , and still do have a few , good luck in yur hunt

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| 232|232|2005-07-06 19:46:17|Burd|Winchester 94 in 7-30 Waters|

I have been trying to get a 94 in the 7-30 caliber but find it out
of price range. I have attained an "Winchester AE XTR 7-30 Waters
Caliber" with the belief that I could purchase a 30-30 and rebarrel
it since the casing is the same with resizing the neck. I have also
attained head space gauges.
I read in one article (don't remember where and can't lay my hands
on it now) that there is no trouble in rebarreling this rifle.
Can someone give information about doing this.
Mainly questions are:
1) Do I have to stick to the XTR since that is what the barrel is or
will an AE work just as well? - seems like there maybe possibility
of the forend groove radius being different.
2) Can this job be done by the average enthusiast since there is
realy no change in head spacing (both cartridges are 2.55 in oal)?

Thank You

Thunder Burd

| 233|233|2006-04-28 06:21:16|fieldmaster2|Hornady Lerverevalution ammo|

Hello everyone how are you doing has anyone tried that new ammo from
Hornady called Leverevalution in 30/30/.45-70gov

| 234|233|2006-04-28 06:22:19|fieldmaster2|Hornady Lerverevalution ammo|

Hello everyone how are you doing has anyone tried that new ammo from
Hornady called Leverevalution in 30/30/.45-70gov

| 235|235|2006-04-29 01:32:52|Ross|Re: Digest Number 102|

Great Question: I'd like to know about that, also.

Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are 2 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

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2. Hornady Lerverevalution ammo
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:20:39 -0000
From: "fieldmaster2"
Subject: Hornady Lerverevalution ammo

Hello everyone how are you doing has anyone tried that new ammo from
Hornady called Leverevalution in 30/30/.45-70gov

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:20:57 -0000
From: "fieldmaster2"
Subject: Hornady Lerverevalution ammo

Hello everyone how are you doing has anyone tried that new ammo from
Hornady called Leverevalution in 30/30/.45-70gov

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| 236|236|2006-05-28 10:14:32|kitsaplorax|Action Job for Puma in 44?|

Could someone here recommend a gunsmith to tune a new Puma in 44? I'm
a SASS shooter.

Gordon Cooper

| 237|236|2006-05-28 16:13:12|Wyr Twister|.44 Mag|

| 238|236|2006-05-28 17:06:02|Tom Ireland|Re: .44 Mag|

I have a Marlin & a Winchester M94 AE in .44 Mag .

The Marlin seems to feed a little better than the Winny , but neither
seem to feed that great . Both seem to need pretty violent action of the
lever .

My Marlin .45-70 seems to fee much better , but it has been shot more .

I was cycling SWC ammo loaded for my S&W M29 . Am I going to have to
get a round nose mold ?

Lever actions seem to be sensitive to cartridge over-all length. You
wouldn't think this would
be a problem with factory ammo, but I'd check cartridge length against
reloading manual specs.
My Marlins cycle flat nosed, semi wadcutters, and round nosed equally well,
but I handload and
make sure the length is correct. Then I test the cycling, and make
adjustments as needed.
Tom I.

| 239|236|2006-05-28 20:35:42|Wyr Twister|Re: .44 Mag|

The SWC's were home cast bullets .

They are crimped at the last groove , closest to where th SWC " nose "
starts .

This has been fine in the wheel gun .

Will check the OAL .

Can seat the bullet longer , to the next groove , if needed , but can
not go shorter on this bullet .

I have cast some more SWC's from a different mold , suspose to be
slightly heavier . But have not shot enough of the " revolver " loads to
test those bullets .

I know a lot of .45 ACP 1911's are not very happy w/ SWC's , but feed
round nose with no problem .

Did not know if this was a simular thing ?

I have had the .45-70 for years , just got the 2 .44 Mag lever guns .
First Wiinny I have ever owned . Si , I have less lever gun experience ,
than with bolt actions & SA's .

Thanks ,

God bless
Wyr

| 240|240|2006-05-29 01:27:10|Ross|Re: Digest Number 104|

There is 1 message in this issue.

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From: "kitsaplorax" kitsaplorax@...
Date: Sun May 28, 2006 1:14am(PDT)
Subject: Action Job for Puma in 44?

Could someone here recommend a gunsmith to tune a new Puma in 44? I'm
a SASS shooter.
M&M Gunsmithing
204 S. Union Street
Alexandria, VA 22314
703-739-2150
703-739-9890 fax

Gordon Cooper

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| 241|236|2006-05-29 05:17:37|Glenn Latham|Re: .44 Mag|

| 242|236|2006-05-29 07:30:24|Wyr Twister|Re: .44 Mag|

Thanks ,
wyr
God bless

| 243|236|2006-05-29 10:28:42|Wyr Twister|.44 Mag|

Found some factory ammo some one gave me .

Soft nose - hollow point jacketed bullet .

Tried it in the Winny & seems to feed fine . :-)

Will measure the OAL & compare it to the SWC loads I have .

Wyr
God bless

| 244|236|2006-05-29 10:41:19|Wyr Twister|.44 Mag|

The Marlin is out in the truck .

Will try the factory ammo in it tomorrow .

Wyr
God bless

| 245|236|2006-05-30 20:02:49|Wyr Twister|.44 Mag|

Tried the factory ammo in the Marlin & it feeds fine . :-)

God bless
Wyr

| 246|236|2006-05-31 13:27:36|Wyr Twister|.44 Mag|

Tried seating the SWC futher out , longer OAL . Still had problems
...........

God bless
Wyr

| 247|247|2006-06-06 16:00:07|yob1945|D-Day remembrance|

www.presidentreagan.info/speeches/omaha.cfm

Omaha Beach, Normandy

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
President Ronald Reagan, June 6, 1984. Normandy, France.
Address at the U.S.-French Ceremony at Omaha Beach, Normandy on the
40th Anniversary of D-Day.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

We stand today at a place of battle, one that 40 years ago saw and
felt the worst of war. Men bled and died here for a few feet of - or
inches of sand, as bullets and shellfire cut through their ranks.
About them, General Omar Bradley later said, "Every man who set foot
on Omaha Beach that day was a hero."
Some who survived the battle of June 6, 1944, are here today. Others
who hoped to return never did.

"Someday, Lis, I'll go back," said Private First Class Peter Robert
Zannata, of the 37th Engineer Combat Battalion, and first assault wave
to hit Omaha Beach. "I'll go back, and I'll see it all again. I'll see
the beach, the barricades, and the graves."

Those words of Private Zanatta come to us from his daughter, Lisa
Zanatta Henn, in a heart-rending story about the event her father
spoke of so often. "In his words, the Normandy invasion would change
his life forever," she said. She tells some of his stories of World
War II but says of her father, "the story to end all stories was D-Day."

"He made me feel the fear of being on the boat waiting to land. I can
smell the ocean and feel the sea sickness. I can see the looks on his
fellow soldiers' faces-the fear, the anguish, the uncertainty of what
lay ahead. And when they landed, I can feel the strength and courage
of the men who took those first steps through the tide to what must
have surely looked like instant death."
Private Zannata's daughter wrote to me, "I don't know how or why I can
feel this emptiness, this fear, or this determination, but I do. Maybe
it's the bond I had with my father. All I know is that it brings tears
to my eyes to think about my father as a 20-year old boy having to
face that beach."

The anniversary of D-Day was always special to her family. And like
all the families of those who went to war, she describes how she came
to realize her own father's survival was a miracle: "So many men died.
I know that my father watched many of his friends be killed. I know
that he must have died inside a little each time. But his explanation
to me was, `You did what you had to do, and you kept on going."

When men like Private Zannata and all our Allied forces stormed the
beaches of Normandy 40 years ago they came not as conquerors, but as
liberators. When these troops swept across the French countryside and
into the forests of Belgium and Luxembourg they came not to take, but
to return what had been wrongfully seized. When our forces marched
into Germany they came not to prey on a brave and defeated people, but
to nurture the seeds of democracy among those who yearned to bee free
again.

We salute them today. But, Mr. President [Francois Mitterand of
France], we also salute those who, like yourself, were already
engaging the enemy inside your beloved country-the French Resistance.
Your valiant struggle for France did so much to cripple the enemy and
spur the advance of the armies of liberation. The French Forces of the
Interior will forever personify courage and national spirit. They will
be a timeless inspiration to all who are free and to all who would be
free.

Today, in their memory, and for all who fought here, we celebrate the
triumph of democracy. We reaffirm the unity of democratic people who
fought a war and then joined with the vanquished in a firm resolve to
keep the peace.

From a terrible war we learned that unity made us invincible; now, in
peace, that same unity makes us secure. We sought to bring all
freedom-loving nations together in a community dedicated to the
defense and preservation of our sacred values. Our alliance, forged in
the crucible of war, tempered and shaped by the realities of the
post-war world, has succeeded. In Europe, the threat has been
contained, the peace has been kept.

Today, the living here assembled-officials, veterans, citizens-are a
tribute to what was achieved here 40 years ago. This land is secure.
We are free. These things are worth fighting and dying for.

Lisa Zannata Henn began her story by quoting her father, who promised
that he would return to Normandy. She ended with a promise to her
father, who died 8 years ago of cancer: "I'm going there, Dad, and
I'll see the beaches and the barricades and the monuments. I'll see
the graves, and I'll put flowers there just like you wanted to do.
I'll never forget what you went through, Dad, nor will I let any one
else forget. And, Dad, I'll always be proud."

Through the words of his loving daughter, who is here with us today, a
D-Day veteran has shown us the meaning of this day far better than any
President can. It is enough to say about Private Zannata and all the
men of honor and courage who fought beside him four decades ago: We
will always remember. We will always be proud. We will always be
prepared, so we may always be free.

Thank you.

| 248|248|2006-07-22 04:13:13|tim45acp|paper patch 44 mag.|

I gave my son my Marlin 1894 in 45 long colt. I had it shooting great
with a 300 grain paper patched bullet from a mold I made. I bought a
1894 in 44 magnum - stainless steel and made a bullet mold that is
adjustable and the patched bullets I tried weighed 270 grains. Does
anyone have suggestions for the best bullet weight in a 44 mag? I
have tried W296 with good luck.
Tim

| 249|233|2007-01-03 13:42:46|jack.murd|Re: Hornady Lerverevalution ammo|

Does Hornady make the leverevolution bullets for reloading? Or just
factory loaded in a few calibers? I have a .25-35 levergun which I'd
like to try with reloaded flexible tips with a 117gr bullet. I bet it
would shoot more accurately at distance.

Jack Murd

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| 250|250|2007-03-14 10:08:53|Jack|.45-70 Birdshot|

Anyone know of a load of birdshot for the .45-70?

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/bigbore/1895G.aspx

| 251|251|2007-05-12 03:08:49|2guntom|GunsAmerica Has Gone to the Dogs|

If you've been to GunsAmerica since the first of this year, you know they have been going through a lot of changes.

They used to be a simple honor system classifieds ad site for guns and gun stuff. They had oodles of traffic and it was a great place to sell a gun.

Then they decided to update the site and switch to new software. It was one hiccup after another. One day everything would look okay, the next it was messed up and everything changed. Pictures would work, pictures wouldn't work. You had to pay for pictures, then you didn't. The fee schedule was there, then it changed, then it disappeared. Certain features didn't work, then they'd work, but you couldn't change your out of date info, and on and on. This went on for months.

I noticed the traffic died back, then it picked up, then it died almost completely, except for those scam artists that try to write a bogus money order for more than the purchase price.
Anyway, I endured the constant headaches, the constant changes, things not working, and so on. I actually, and surprisingly sold a few guns through all the termoil.

Then it came time to pay GunsAmerica for the listings. Their system was creating 2 to 3 invoices for every gun sold. The fee schedule had disappeared so I wasn't sure what I actually owed. I looked everything over, searched all over the website, and paid what I thought was correct. Defaulting to the side of error, I sent a note with my payment asking them to contact me so I would know if I owed any more, that way I could pay up quickly. I didn't know how else to contact them because there was no link on their site and their "help forum" quit working (if it ever did).

I got an email from a Michele who is "Customer Support Manager". Very rude, very condiscending, very contrived,... Michele didn't answer my question at all, just gave me a multitude of links to their FAQ files and many chastisements. I had 4 seperate browser windows open trying to make sure I was seeing everything correctly and not lose anything in the process. Another email I had said I owed them $20, but now the website said all invoices were paid and one of the invoices had disappeared.

I sent one more email trying to get clarification and see if I was paid or if I owed $20. Wow! This Michele broad is really something! I've never seen chastisement and looking down one's nose to this extent before. She could really give my first wife a run for her money (and she's a tough cookie!). It is hard for me to describe exactly how rude this woman was in her downtalking. To beat all, I'm not really sure if the bill is paid or not; she never did give me a straight noncondescending-laden answer.

I don't know what happened, but GunsAmerica is toast. They had a system that worked before, but this new mess is aweful! And it changes from day to day so you never have a clue to what is going on. Then this customer service, dominatrix-school marm with the leather girdle, E-GADS! My recommendation- DON'T USE THEM! GunBroker, AuctionArms, and some of the others are just fine. Avoid GunsAmerica! Avoid Michele!

Consider yourself warned.

2guntom

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| 252|252|2007-05-29 03:57:59|Bob|Lever Action ?|

I just checked out the "Photos" section and found pictures of some nice
rifles, that were not lever actions. So I thought I'd add a little to
the group topic and post a couple pictures of my Marlin 336. Check it
out. That thing is a tack driver! It outshoots my custom built Sako L-
461 in .222 Remington.

I hesitate to post a picture of my Ruger No. 3 in .45-70, for fear some
may not consider a falling block to be truly a lever action.

| 253|253|2007-06-08 01:53:40|davhue68|Wichester 74 AE|

I have a Trapper Model .357
It is a 9 shot carbine but I need 10 for CAS shooting
10 .38 spl fit in, but just barely and every once in a while I can't
get that last round in and have to load in manually (on the clock)
I tries shortening the rounds to get them all in, but that causes
loading problems.
Any way to do something to the magazine to get that little extra room
to get all my bullets in?
Bob D

| 254|253|2007-06-08 06:18:45|Paladin|Re: Winchester 74 AE|

--- davhue68 <davhue68@... I have a Trapper Model .357
It is a 9 shot carbine but I need 10 for CAS shooting
10 .38 spl fit in, but just barely and every once in a while I can't
get that last round in and have to load in manually (on the clock)
I tries shortening the rounds to get them all in, but that causes
loading problems.
Any way to do something to the magazine to get that little extra room
to get all my bullets in?
Bob D
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Here are some random ideas:

1. Study the follower to see if it can be modified to gain additional
magazine space;

2. Can a cartridge-carrier be modified and installed to feed properly
cartridges such as the .38 Long Colt or even the .38 Short Colt?

3. What bullet pattern are you using?

4. Does your magazine spring need all the coils it currently has???

5. Have you considered that this problem might be solved by adding a new
rifle to your battery --such as one of the Henry-brand leveractions???

I'm sure I'll think of more ideas, but these are enough for the moment.

Paladin

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| 255|253|2007-06-08 13:31:06|shaner|Re: Winchester 74 AE|

if i was you and ive been there done this, i set the rapper aside an bought a EMF hartford model, 357 they work great have a 11 round cap, and cost around 350 bucks,, problem solved, check out gunbroker and get an idea, i dont think you will be sorry ,

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| 256|253|2007-07-10 11:33:22|bgoat_1|Re: Wichester 74 AE|

--- In Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com, "davhue68" in this game do??? Billy

| 257|253|2007-07-10 12:40:57|Tom Ireland|Re: Wichester 74 AE|

Mostly they shoot longer barreled rifles with higher capacity magazine
tubes.
Like the Marlin 1894 Cowboy series. Or the many Winchester 1892 clones.
A few Colt Lighting's, both import and domestic.......

He can use his trapper, but he will have to single load the tenth round,
which will
cost him some time......but it shouldn't be that much....his problem will be
keeping
count so that he doesn't lever the gun closed after the 9th shot....which
will cost him
even more time.

His best bet would be to trade the trapper on a rifle that has the proper
magazine capacity.
Or retire the trapper and buy a Marlin 1894 Cowboy.....
Tom Ireland
Hagerstown, MD

| 258|258|2007-09-26 13:12:12|gchugginspl|Anti-Gun Zealots Trying to Ram Disarmament Bill Though Senate|

-- Immediate action required

Gun Owners of America
8001 Forbes Place Suite 102
Springfield VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408

Tuesday, September 25, 2007

You'd think that when rabid, anti-gun legislators like Sen. Charles
Schumer and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy join together to pass anti-gun
legislation, it would raise a few red flags.

But these two New York Democrats are currently planning to roll over gun
owners with H.R. 2640 -- legislation which would bar you from owning
guns if:

* You are a battle-scarred veteran suffering from Post Traumatic Stress
Disorder; or

* As a kid, you were diagnosed with ADHD.

Not to mention the fact that your ailing grandfather could have his
entire gun collection seized, based only on a diagnosis of Alzheimer's
(and there goes the family inheritance).

Gun owners have been desperately fighting this bill for several months.
You will remember that it passed in the House with an unrecorded voice
vote in June and was later passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee
-- also without a recorded vote.

Sen. Schumer is pushing hard to pass this legislation -- dubbed the
Veterans Disarmament Act -- so he is circulating an "agreement" which
would waive the Senate rules in order to bring up and pass the bill.

This agreement could come about in the next few hours or the next couple
of days!

This agreement is extremely diabolical, as it would eliminate the
ability of pro-gun senators to offer amendments which would clean up the
legislation... and would grease the skids for immediate passage!

But there is good news: In order for Schumer's "agreement" to prevail,
he must get "unanimous consent." This means that just ONE single senator
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ACTION: Please contact your two U.S. Senators RIGHT AWAY and urge them
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You can use the Take Action feature the following site to send a
pre-written message as an e-mail to your Senators:

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| 259|259|2007-10-19 17:22:35|gchugginspl|Duncan Hunter on the 2nd Amendment|

An Interview With Duncan Hunter <http://www.gohunter08.com/
Keyboard and a .45

JR interviews Duncan Hunter on the Second Amendment

Representative Duncan Hunter sparked my interest when he announced that
he was throwing his hat into the ring and run for president on the GOP
ticket. The Duncan Hunter '08 <http://www.gohunter08.com/index.asp website did an excellent job of defining his core values and beliefs in
the areas of the war in Iraq, terrorism, taxes, abortion and the like,
but had scant information on his views of gun rights and the Second
Amendment.

So what's a blogger to do other than get in contact with his campaign
staff and request an interview?

After correspondence back and forth, and a bit of time to allow
Representative Hunter's staff to vet both myself and my blog, he agreed.
An interview (via email) with presidential candidate Duncan Hunter:

JR: Thank you for taking the time to answer the following firearm
related questions. The Second Amendment, the right to keep and bear
arms, and firearms issues in general are not addressed on your campaign
web site so folks are interested in your views on these issues.

Duncan Hunter: "Thank you for the opportunity to address these vital
issues of liberty with you. Our website was put together piece by piece
and the Second Amendment statement was one of the later things added.
That does not reflect the slightest lack of commitment on my part
regarding Second Amendment rights. My record over 26 years in Congress
is absolutely clear."

Question 1: Please state, in your own words, what the Second Amendment
to the Constitution of the United States means to you. Do you understand
the right to keep and bear arms to be an individual or a collective
right?

Duncan Hunter: "The right to keep and bear arms is an absolute right of
Americans to protect their families and their communities and their
nation with firearms. In this age of post-911, Americans, I believe are
comforted by the fact that our ability to resist terrorism is not
limited to law enforcement or defense agencies but is also within the
ability of all gun-owning Americans."

Question 2: There has been a lot of discussion in the media and in the
legislature about "Closing the Gun Show Loophole." What is your
definition of a "Gun Show Loophole", and how would you address this
issue?

Duncan Hunter: "I reject the term `loophole'. It is a clever verbal
device of the left to restrict the rights of Americans. Constitutional
rights are not loopholes in governmental regulations. As President, I
would veto legislation that would require a background check on private
firearms transactions at gun shows or any other bill that restricts the
Second Amendment Rights of American."

Question 3: Representative Carolyn McCarthy has introduced H.B. 1022,
the Assault Weapons Ban and law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007. Do
you believe that Americans have the right to own, use and carry weapons
of military pattern? Do you support restricting a citizen's access to
firearms based upon cosmetics or ease of function?

Duncan Hunter: "As President, I would veto any bill that reauthorizes
the semi-auto ban that was sunset in 2004. These types of bills
represent "feel good" measures that impede the rights of law-abiding
citizens by banning guns based not on facts but based largely upon how
scary they look."

Question 4: In Congress, you represent the great state of California, a
state applauded by some and demonized by others for having extremely
restrictive gun control laws. Do you understand California's gun control
laws to be a necessary and effective deterrent to violent crime?

Duncan Hunter: "Gun control laws directed at law-abiding citizens are
not a crime deterrent. In fact, studies show that private ownership of
firearms by Americans reduces crime. You and I both know that the one
thing criminals prefer more than any other is unarmed victims."

Question 5: If you are elected President of the United States, how would
your presidency affect firearm owners?

Duncan Hunter: "As President, I will not sign any treaty that impedes,
in any way, the Second Amendment rights of Americans.

Only judges who have a demonstrated commitment to interpret the
Constitution as our founders intended will be nominated to the federal
bench.

I would ask Congress to send me for my signature, legislation to repeal
the D.C. gun ban, legislation to allow reciprocity among states with
concealed carry rights and other pieces of legislation to restore rights
that prior administrations have eroded.

In fact, I authored the Hunter amendment, Roll call 241 in 1999, to
allow DC residents to keep and bear arms."

JR: Representative Hunter; thank you again for taking time out of your
busy day to answer these questions and address issues that many
Americans see as important. Your voting history on Second Amendment
issues is appreciated.

Respectfully,

JR

There it is, Duncan Hunter on the Second Amendment. I am very thankful
to Representative Hunter for taking the time to answer these questions.
I hope the questions were sufficient to give you information you can use
in making a decision in the Republican primaries.

View JR's Interview with Duncan Hunter here:
http://akeyboardanda45.blogspot.com/2007/03/interview-with-duncan-hunter\
.html
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Duncan Hunter is rated A+ by the National Rifle Association and Gun
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Please join our group in supporting Duncan Hunter for President:
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| 260|260|2007-11-20 19:44:04|researchdoc|.38 Special in .35 Rem.???|

I was just reading on another forum that a .38 specials would feed
reliably in a .35 Remington Lever Gun. I thought maybe it meant you
could load .38 special designated bullets in a .35 Rem case... but the
way it reads, you can actually shoot a .38 special cartridge in the .35
rem. Anyone know if this is possible? Not that I would do it.. I just
was jarred to read that.

| 261|260|2007-11-20 19:47:52|rick.a.shay@comcast.net|Re: .38 Special in .35 Rem.???|

I find it hard to believe that a .38 Special would feed at all in a lever gun designed for the .35 Remington - let alone feed reliably.

It would be extremely dangerous to the shooter if such a combination actually fired successful - since the .38 Special case would certainly burst.

Rick A. Shay
Colorado
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| 262|260|2007-11-20 22:42:09|researchdoc|Re: .38 Special in .35 Rem.???|

I agree... I couldn't believe I read that.. I searched on the net for
something related to that to no avail.. I don't think the case
dimensions would even allow it to fit. I found that curious.

| 263|253|2007-11-27 17:26:36|Tracy|Re: Wichester 74 AE|

I would remove the magazine end plug and grind the inside face to
remove excess material, and also cut a couple of coils off the
magazine spring. Both of these parts should be cheap, so you could buy
extras to modify, leaving the original parts intact. Even an extra
tenth of an inch should solve your problem.

| 264|264|2007-12-25 06:18:50|Bryan|Hunting season|

Hello everyone how is the hunting come along I hope it's going great

| 265|265|2007-12-27 19:25:59|jack.murd|Henry lever action .22 cal === what is your opinion of them?|

Hello.... I am in the market for a .22 cal LR/L/S lever action rifle
or carbine. I am considering a Henry. Has anyone on this Group had
one and what is your opinion of them? Thanks !..... Jack Murd

| 266|265|2007-12-27 20:25:03|Tracy|Re: Henry lever action .22 cal === what is your opinion of them?|

I haven't had one, but I've handled them. Personally, I would go for
either a Marlin 39 or Winchester 9422.
The Henry is an aluminum-receiver rifle with all the quality of a
typical $100 autoloader, like a Marlin 60 or a Ruger 10/22 (nevermind
that they sell for $200 now). They're functional, and if that's all
the quality you're looking for, OK but the Winchester & Marlin
leverguns are steel and walnut, and are way above a Henry in quality.

--- In Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com, "jack.murd"

| 267|267|2008-01-06 02:19:38|Bryan|winchester 94 Legacy 30/30|

Would anyone have a Winchester 94 Legacy for sale in 30/30 because I
need to ge another one my old one is gone

| 268|268|2008-02-03 20:41:11|G-minor|New guy here,|

Hey folks...I am new to the group and wanted to introduce myself. I
have been a handgunner for 17 years (with a few 22s and shotguns owned
in that time) But I'm going to be purchasing a Marlin 336W 30-30. Does
anyone own one of these Marlin's? If so...what do you like or dislike
about the rifle. Anything I can do as far as customizing to make this
a "better" rifle? Peronally I think its a great looking rifle and a
good deal..I'm getting it for $357.00 including tax. Well its
superbowl sunday so time to have some pizza and then a cigar. Take care
fellas.

-Geoff

| 269|268|2008-02-03 23:15:48|Tom Ireland|Re: New guy here,|

I own several......336T, 336Cowboy, 1893, and 4 1894's.....I love'em.
Calibers are 30-30 (2), 38-55 (1), 38-40 (2), 44-40 (1), 45 Colt (1).
They are, hands down, the best lever action rifle one can buy.
They are the only lever gun that can be easily cleaned from the breech.
One screw removed.....drop the lever out of place and pull out the bolt.

I don't know about "better" but Precision Gun Works has stocks that will
make
it look like the old original Marlins:
http://www.precisiongunstocks.com/index.html?lmd=39478.424815

Tom Ireland
Hagerstown, MD

| 270|268|2008-02-04 00:13:17|G-minor|Re: New guy here,|

Thanks Tom.

You do have quite a few...do you handload? That's something I look
forward to learning. I have heard that the Marlin's lock-up more
tightly than other levers and for the price can't be beaten.

I see you live in Hagerstown..I'm not too far from you in Germantown,
MD. Any recommendations for an outdoor/indoor range?

--- In Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ireland" I
owned
Does
love'em.
(1).
breech.
bolt.
rifle?
will

| 271|268|2008-02-04 04:19:30|Tom Ireland|Re: New guy here,|

Yep.....for all those calibers plus some others....

Only indoor range i know of is the NRA range in Fairfax, VA.
I belong to 2 clubs with ranges in nearby PA.....

Tom Ireland
Hagersown, MD

| 272|268|2008-02-09 19:26:53|G-minor|Re: New guy here|

Thanks for the info Tom.

--- In Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Ireland" Germantown,

| 273|273|2008-02-09 19:29:25|G-minor|Lubricant/oil for wooden stock and blued steel?|

I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a lubricant/oil that I
could use on both the wooden stock as well as the steel of my rifle?
Since all the oils I know of contain distilates that would damage the
wood it would be great to fine one for both.

Thanks in advance,

Geoff

| 274|273|2008-02-12 05:50:05|G-minor|Re: Lubricant/oil for wooden stock and blued steel?|

I found this stuff online and am wondering if its a keeper. Anyone know
about this product or one like it?

http://www.prolixlubricant.com/

| 275|275|2008-08-04 04:34:08|Bryan|just saying hello|

just wanting to say hello

| 276|276|2008-08-21 01:48:05|steveburkholder|New to the Group|

Just wanted to say Hi. I live in Lima Ohio & am a NRA Life Member. I
also belong to a gun club with a range & the local gun collector's
organization that puts on the largest gun shows in the area. I shoot
mostly pistols, but own some shotguns, a SKS & a Rossi/Puma 16".357/.38
lever action rifle that I love to shoot.I hope to be useful to the
group whenever possible.
Thanks

| 277|253|2008-08-22 01:40:33|Peter|Re: Wichester 74 AE|

--- In Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com, "davhue68" can't
room
I had a problem like yours with my Ruger 44 mag.semi auto.I had
loaded
some rounds to just touch the rifling when chambered.These rounds are
very accurate,but I could only get 3 rounds into the magazine instead
of 4 Rds........D":":"::"::" I
said ..Then I took the Magazine plug and made a new one out of
aluminum,but I made it 1/8 inch shorter,to the retaining lip,I also
recessed the face 1/8 inch .This gives me and additional 1/4 inch of
space..The gun has worked fine for the last 10 years..I may have
the
advantage on you ,in that I am a Machinist by trade.Any good gunsmith
should be able to do this for you .Maybe some hobby machinist in your
area..Anyway hope this helps ..Always Peter T.

| 278|253|2008-08-22 16:55:58|bob davy|Re: Wichester 74 AE|

Thanks- I retired my 94AE last year from CAS competiton--- may be a good gun, but I would advise against it for any cowboy shooter.Â Â I picked up a 2nd hand 92 to replace it- an original made in 1910----much better rifle for the type of shooting I am doing.
Bob D

| 279|279|2009-01-19 04:09:19|stlmojjm|Henry Recommednations|

I am interested in alever acion rifle and leaning towards the Henry
Big Boy. I will primarily being using it for shooting at the range
and was looking for recommendations on the caliber (357, 45 or 44). I
am willing to spend the extra money to get the Henry but I am
concerned about ammunition costs.

I am interested in any recommendations and comments on the Henry Big
Boy.

| 280|279|2009-01-19 06:24:53|Bryan Lewandowski|Re: Henry Recommednations|

I would try to find one of the Winchester 94 Legacy's in 30-30 if you can not get a good Winchester 94 Legacy's then a Marlin 336C in 30-30 will fit the bill

| 281|279|2009-01-19 14:24:45|Wyr Twister|Re: Henry Recommednations|

As far as ammo cost , do you reload ? If not , consider the .357 / .38 Special for cost .

For hunting , the .30-30 .

I too recommend the Winny or the Marlin .

God bless
Wyr

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| 282|282|2009-02-22 23:29:27|mnclabhart|another question - after market stocks?|

Does anyone know a source for after market stocks for a Legacy Arms
Puma 92 .454 Casull Leveraction?

Thanks

| 283|283|2009-02-22 23:30:18|mnclabhart|scopes for puma 92|

Hello All,

I am trying to find a suitable scope to put on a Puma 92 lever
action. It's top eject so the scope has to be mounted forward of the
receiver which means an eye relief of about 9-10 inches. I was hoping
to find a variable power scope and looked at a few pistol scopes but
the eye relief was far too long. I have a 2.5 power scout scope but
wanted something with more magnification as my vision is not the
best. I've heard of a company named Leatherwood that makes something
like this but apparently its discontinued. Anyone have any
suggestions? And I know many of you recoil at the idea of putting a
scope on a lever gun but with my eyes its scope it or don't shoot it.
Thanks for your help.

Mark

| 284|282|2009-02-23 01:31:48|Bryan Lewandowski|Re: another question - after market stocks?|

Ram-line and advance technoiges are two good sources of after marcket stocks for rifles

| 285|285|2009-03-18 19:12:47|Wyr Twister|Ammo Boxes|

I started shopping around for GI
ammo boxes . Was told Uncle is no longer selling them
, they are mashing them ?

Is this true ?

If this is true , would you all be
willing to participate in raising a voice to try to get that
reversed ?

This is a double insult .
First , we the tax payers paid for these . We , the
tax payers deserve the right , to an opportunity to buy it
back from the government ( at a decent price ) that which we
paid for in the first place . Even if it means we ,
the tax payers , are paying for them twice .

Second , this amounts to the
government stealing from the tax payers , the dollar amount
that could be recovered by selling the items to , we , the
people . And they are stealing from us the dollar
amount it coasts to squash these items .

I would bet there are thousands of
cases like this where the best interests of the tax payers
are ignored ?

Thank you ,

God bless
Wyr

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| 286|285|2009-03-19 04:13:21|Paladin|Re: Ammo Boxes|

Wyr,

When I was researching the cartridge-case demil matter, I noticed a few sales of GI ammo boxes --but didn't notice whether they had to be ruined or not. The photos were of many, banded together on tall pallets.

My guess would be that if a particular lot of these was sold with a demil requirement, it likely would be due to their having in them a residue of some kind which is hazardous in the ordinary sense of the term.

However, a surplus store which I frequent here usually has a decent supply of .30, .50, "SAW," and 20mm boxes for sale at very reasonable prices. Of course, these are not over-inventory surplus, they each are damaged in some way. I've learned to inspect them before buying. Apparently, today's kids who're handling the military supplies are, in some instances, not very respectful in the way they handle stuff, so dents, rust, and so forth are the basic reason for these cans being sold.

I bought another .50 can just the other day. It's decent and usable. However, upon opening it I was greeted with a strip of green tape bearing the words "Inert Ammunition Residue" stuck across the open top. Naturally, I looked and looked, but try as I might I couldn't detect even one iota of ammo residue, inert or not. Very disappointing. One would think that, if they went to all the trouble to stick the tape across, they'd at least throw in a box or two of 5.56, or even some old .45 rounds. ---But, no...... ;-
Anyway, I suspect that after the cartridge-case demil flap of the last few days, there are a lot of people closely watching the way the DoD handles its surplus-sales operations and, being very quick to make a stink when they see questionable practices.

Which is always the way it should be.

Paladin

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| 287|285|2009-03-19 12:34:58|Wyr Twister|Re: Ammo Boxes|

I suspect I got lied to . :-(

God bless
Wyr

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| 288|288|2009-06-09 15:19:52|foureyed.jack|Used Lever Action Rifles for SASS or CAS?|

Does anyone have a recommendation for a good lever action if I want to start out buying used? I am joining the local SASS group but I don't want to spend a whole lot of money until I know if I intend to stay with it. Thank you for your time.

Four Eyed Jack

| 289|288|2009-06-10 02:15:06|shaner|Re: Used Lever Action Rifles for SASS or CAS?|

hey finding a nice used one is half the battle jack,Â the pumas ive owned seem to hold up great , the emfÂ do too,Â of course marlin and if yu wanttoÂ pay forthe name winchesterÂ too,Â good luck finding one

| 290|290|2010-03-15 00:18:18|Terry K|gun ID|

Hi folks I'm new to the forum but I have a question. I have a 30-30 marlin. It has the old square bolt on it. the confuseing part is that the barrel markings where the marlin logo and information goes is under the barrel band. I dont think marlin would do this just for advertisement resons. This gun is my go to rifle as I'm not afraid to get a nick or dent in the stock and it shots well. I have toyed with the idea of re-barreling to a longer barrel or maybe even going to a 35 rem. All the gunsmiths give me the rased eyebrow and ask why do that the guns not worth the effort. This is about the time I say thanks for your time and walk out the door. Out here in the west it seems no one thinks a lever gun can get game like a bolt gun. What do you guys think and are there any lever gun gunsmiths that can help or can I even do this myself? I have converted a 8mm mauser to 30-06 so I'm not completly stupid ( my wife thinks different) Hope you folks can help.

| 291|290|2010-03-15 16:01:26|Tom Ireland|Re: gun ID|

The square bolt long action Marlins were the 1893, 93, 1936 and the Model
36. The barrel band did not cover any of the barrel markings.
Sounds like you've got a rifle that has already been rebarreled, or the
barrel has be set back and re-chambered, for whatever reason.
As to replacing the existing barrel, the new barrels Marlin makes today are
the same thread as has been used since the beginning of
that models manufacture. You can even swap an 1993 barrel to that receiver.
One needs to be able to control headspace and make sure
the sight dovetails end up on top.....if you can handle that......go for
it.....
Tom Ireland
Hagerstown, MD

| 292|290|2010-03-16 02:52:28|Terry Kenney|Re: gun ID|

Thanks now all I have to do is get the barrel.
Â Terry Kenney
If you surrender Freedom for security. You soon will loose Freedom and your security will be slavery.

________________________________
From: Tom Ireland <win1885@... To: Leveraction-Rifle@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 7:01:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Leveraction-Rifle] gun ID

Â
The square bolt long action Marlins were the 1893, 93, 1936 and the Model
36. The barrel band did not cover any of the barrel markings.
Sounds like you've got a rifle that has already been rebarreled, or the
barrel has be set back and re-chambered, for whatever reason.
As to replacing the existing barrel, the new barrels Marlin makes today are
the same thread as has been used since the beginning of
that models manufacture. You can even swap an 1993 barrel to that receiver.
One needs to be able to control headspace and make sure
the sight dovetails end up on top.....if you can handle that......go for
it.....
Tom Ireland
Hagerstown, MD

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| 293|293|2012-02-13 19:04:02|Wyr Twister|new Rossi .45-70|

I have been reading about the new Rossi .45-70 . Photos look like a Marlin ?

Anyone have any first hand info ?

One article I read seems to indicate that the barrels may be a little " tighter " than the Marlins ?

God bless
Wy

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| 294|265|2012-10-21 02:49:19|Lawrence|Re: Henry lever action .22 cal === what is your opinion of them?|

I've got one. VERY accurate and has always operated liquid smooth...which I understand is common to Henry rifles. I recommend
it. And the receiver IS NOT aluminum. It's steel. Mine is the blued
model.

ol' Lawrence

| 295|265|2012-10-21 04:42:16|Sam Bradley|Re: Henry lever action .22 cal === what is your opinion of them?|

I will second that review of the Henry. It's a great and fun rifle.

Sent from my iPhone

| 296|296|2012-10-21 16:06:29|ddimmick@chartertn.net|Henry lever actions|

Someone said that a Marlin 39A would be a better choice. I have owned
(and tried to use) two 39A Marlins. I was fixing and replacing parts to
the ammo feed section more than I was shooting it! There was always
something that would mess up.
I gave up on them and would never own another.

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| 297|265|2012-10-21 21:41:08|Steven Burkholder|Re: Henry lever action .22 cal === what is your opinion of them?|

I am the proud owner of a Henry Big Boy .44 Magnum. I'll put it up against
anything out there!

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| 298|265|2012-10-24 07:41:14|Lawrence|Re: Henry lever action .22 cal === what is your opinion of them?|

Wanna trade it for a half troy ounce gold Liberty round bullion?

ol' Lawrence