300|300|2003-02-25 10:25:16|Geoff|Re: Star 7.62 Pistol For Sale|
More likely to be a 7.65mm as Star didn't make a 7.62 cal pistol as far as I
know.

Value will be around R500, depending of course on which model it is. Is it
an SS, SI, SR, FR or DKI? That info will help with a value. If the guy
doesn't know where the model number is located, tell him to look at the heel
of the grip just behind the magazine well.

Geoffrey

| 301|301|2003-02-25 10:25:24|Geoff|Wanted: .308 |
Hi All,

I am looking for a good .308 cal bolt action rifle. I would prefer a heavier barrel target type rifle and am quite fond of the old RSA action. Iron sights are not a vital requirement as I will fit a scope to it.

If anyone has a Styer Scout at a fair price that would also be very nice. But I am not too fussed and any thing will do as long as it can hit a fair group at a fair distance.

Later
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| 302|300|2003-02-25 10:33:48|Gideon Du Toit|Re: Star 7.62 Pistol For Sale|
Thanx G.

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff [mailto:reds-range@...]
Sent: 25 February 2003 10:12
To: saguns4sale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SAGuns4Sale] Star 7.62 Pistol For Sale


More likely to be a 7.65mm as Star didn't make a 7.62 cal pistol as far as I
know.

Value will be around R500, depending of course on which model it is. Is it
an SS, SI, SR, FR or DKI? That info will help with a value. If the guy
doesn't know where the model number is located, tell him to look at the heel
of the grip just behind the magazine well.

Geoffrey

| 303|303|2003-02-25 10:35:22|Gideon Du Toit|Re: Wanted: .308|
I'll be on DDRC on the weekend if you want to come and play with my Styer
Geoff.

Gideon

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Sent: 25 February 2003 10:32
To: saguns4sale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SAGuns4Sale] Wanted: .308


Hi All,

I am looking for a good .308 cal bolt action rifle. I would prefer a
heavier barrel target type rifle and am quite fond of the old RSA action.
Iron sights are not a vital requirement as I will fit a scope to it.

If anyone has a Styer Scout at a fair price that would also be very nice.
But I am not too fussed and any thing will do as long as it can hit a fair
group at a fair distance.

Later
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| 304|301|2003-02-25 15:33:34|Hilton Bothma|Re: Wanted: .308|
Sorry, wouldn't part with my 30-06 Ackley Improved for anything.......
Hilton.


Hi All,

I am looking for a good .308 cal bolt action rifle. I would prefer a
heavier barrel target type rifle and am quite fond of the old RSA action.
Iron sights are not a vital requirement as I will fit a scope to it.

If anyone has a Styer Scout at a fair price that would also be very nice.
But I am not too fussed and any thing will do as long as it can hit a fair
group at a fair distance.
| 305|305|2003-03-12 14:13:46|Gideon Du Toit|Wanted - Pistol - 9mmP|
Anybody have a good 2nd hand 9mmP for Sale?

Gideon

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| 306|306|2003-03-12 14:21:55|Eastes, Thomas|Walther .22 TPH semi-auto|
Hi All

Can anyone assist me with spares/addresses/contacts etc. where I can locate a slide assembly for my TPH. I tried Carl Walther but was informed that
parts are discontinued. I recall reading in the Magnum about 3 years ago about a chap in CPT area that had spares. Anyone have a contact or know him?
Help will be appreciated.

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| 307|307|2003-03-12 15:58:29|Geoff|Lanber O/U 12ge|
Hi all,

I have a brand new, never fired (except for the proof shots) Lanber O/U 12ge for sale. It is a single trigger (select) with auto ejectors and has fixed chokes. Asking R8000.

My drive to become the SA and world skeet champ will have to wait a bit.

Contact me off line or on my cell.

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| 308|308|2003-03-24 13:21:31|vanair2003|1873 Winchester Lever action rifle - 44 WCF Round barrel|
What would a 1873 Winchester l/a rifle be worth? It is complete but
in a well used condition. The barrel was clipped about 12mm and a
sling attachment was places through the wood under the
barrel/magazine. The rest of the wood is complete but well worn.
The barrel is pitted but the rifling is still visible.
The action seems to be working but it has not fired a shot in many
moons.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Pieter
| 309|309|2003-03-24 13:25:24|vanair2003|Bullet puller wanted|
I am looking for a bullet puller that can be fitted to a reloading
press(the one with the collet that crimps around the bullet).
Calibers .311(303) or .308.

Please contact me at 0846662468

Thanks

Pieter
| 310|308|2003-03-24 17:40:56|Doug Norval|Re: 1873 Winchester Lever action rifle - 44 WCF Round barrel|
Hi Pieter,

In August last year a true Winchester 95 in .303 British in very good
working order, just with worn blueing went for R2700.00 here in Johannesburg

An 1873 (rarer than an 1895) but with a pitted and shortened barrel and the
added slingmount ???? I just don't know for sure.

Why did they add a slingmount? In all the old photo's I've seen of 1873's,
they all have sling mounts already.

The 1873 was a really nice rifle and it came in 3 basic models, The Carbine,
the Rifle, a Military Musket (with bayonet) and also in various calibres.

Here's some info

The 1873 was offered in .32, .38, and .44 calibres. It was also made in
limited numbers in .22 rim fire - quickly identifiable by the lack of a
loading gate on the right side plate. The 1873 Model was the first
Winchester Lever Action designed for centre-fire cartridges. It is known as
"the gun that won the West." This rifle was produced from 1873 to 1923.

CalibresÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…..Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Production Quantities

.44-40 or 44 W.C.FÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…566,487
.32-20 or 32 W.C.FÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…109,558
.38-40 or 38 W.C.FÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â….Â….24,826
.22 Rim fireÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â….Â…..19,738

Regards

Doug Norval
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The Lever Action Rifle Association (SA)
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| 311|311|2003-03-28 10:05:13|Doug Norval|Wanted|
WANTED

Marlin lever action in .30-30 cal.

Would also appreciate information - if anybody knows of a gunsmith with the
necessary reamer, who would be able to convert .30-30 to .30-30 Ackley
Improved - contact name/number, please.

Rudolph Deppe
Tel 012 9911434 (home)
e-mail: depperk@...
| 312|312|2003-03-31 11:16:08|Evan Summerson|Wads, shot, primers|
OK............ So do any of you know who has stock of 12g wads and primers? Also looking for nr7 shot?

Evan
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| 313|313|2003-05-11 13:04:08|Dr L.J. Stander|Swop Mini-14 for lever action .44|
Ruger Mini-14 .223 in excellent condition to swap for Marlin 1894,
Winchester M94 or Ruger 96/44 lever action .44 Magnum.

Contact Leon 082-873-6611 or mbrand@...
| 314|314|2003-05-11 23:59:56|Karel Kruger|(no subject)|
11 Sqm Strongroom for sale.
Comes with 3 bedroom home and other Paraphernalia.
Situated in Brackenhurst, Alberton.
Price R 680 000 neg.

Contact me off list

Karel


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| 315|315|2003-05-13 16:29:22|hubertwentzel|Hornady 366 Auto|
I am looking for a Hornady 366 Auto progressive press (or similar)
for 12 gauge shot shells. New or in good second-hand nick. Please
contact me off-list at hubert.wentzel@... or on (082)881-4333
| 316|316|2003-05-13 16:33:46|hubertwentzel|Reloading dies|
I have a set of 9mmP RCBS and a set of Hornady 45ACP dies available
for sale for R200 each. Both sets are in very good nick. Please
contact me off-list at hubert.wentzel@... or (082)8814333
| 317|317|2003-06-01 21:27:42|Geoff|some good treats|
Hey all,

Two lovely items for sale,

One Lanber O/U 12ge, brand new never fired. Select single trigger fixed chokes auto eject, R8500

Glock 17L, like new condition, new gen frame, R5000

Contact off list at geoffreys@... or phone 083-456-8104.

Thanks, Geoffrey


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| 318|318|2003-06-03 14:28:29|johnretro|Star pistol for sale|
Hi all

On behalf of a little old lady in Stellenbosch who only
shot this pistol on Sundays :-)

Star FR Sport pistol, pretty close to new-in-box condition.
Lady bought the pistol in the seventies, shot some (dunno
how much) target, then stored it in the bank until fairly
recently.

Pictures at http://www.retro.co.za/forsale/STAR/

R1000.

Thanks

Wouter
| 320|320|2003-06-20 08:57:09|Dan Elliott|Items wanted|
Hi,

Looking for the following: -

.303 FMJ ammo
12gg Ammo (specific brand: Armani / Arani)
Need very high powered lights 4 farm security setup (seem to recall
that the old army caspers / ratels were equipped with heavy duty
spotlights fed by gas bottles)

Any info will be appreciated.
Thsnk you.
| 321|320|2003-06-20 08:57:11|Dan Elliott|Items wanted|
Hi,

Looking for the following: -

.303 FMJ ammo
12gg Ammo (specific brand: Armani / Arani)
Need very high powered lights 4 farm security setup (seem to recall
that the old army caspers / ratels were equipped with heavy duty
spotlights fed by gas bottles)

Any info will be appreciated.
Thsnk you.
| 322|322|2003-06-25 11:19:46|Hilton Bothma|(no subject)|
Hi, if you are interested in EXACTLY how far & fast you have walked/run
whilst hunting.
I have a NEW unused TIMEX GARMIN GPS distance measuring system. Price in SA
is R4000.
I want R3000.00.
Mail me on Or phone me after next Tuesday on 012-6673238.
Cheers
Hilton.
| 323|323|2003-07-03 17:51:17|Doug Norval|Magnum Magazines wanted|
Hi,

I'm looking for a Complete set of magnum magazines including the 2
annuals.

Regards

Doug Norval
011 802 7415
083 308 4775
| 324|324|2003-07-04 15:43:13|blign_ch|Springbuck hunting:|
Afternoon all,

Pls forward details of any decent Springbuck hunting farms you know
of. I am coming back from Cape Town from the 6th of August. Would
like to hunt 4-5 Springbuck (2 hunters) within the 600-650km range
from Cape Town, e.g. Beaufort-West, Victoria-West, etc. areas. Basic
accomodation is required (perhaps warm water as the minimum was -3
degrees today!!)

Email: blign_ch@...
Phone: 083-212-8633

Tks,
Christo B.
| 325|325|2003-07-05 15:13:07|Chris X|.303 stripper clips wanted|
Hello All

I'm looking for .303 stripper clips.

GRC arms had, but when I phoned on Wednesday, they were sold out, future
stock uncertain.

If anyone can help, Please e-mail : arms4me@... or phone / sms
082 708 4847.

Appreciated!!

Chris.

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| 326|326|2003-07-11 10:58:34|Evan Summerson|For Sale|
FOR SALE:

1.75 - 4.5 x 20 Bushnell Banner Wideview scope. Good condition. No lens
caps. Removed from recently acquired rifle 2nd hand rifle. Price R750-00 non
neg.

196 off 7,62mm (.308) 146gr FMJBT hardball bullets, pulled from military
ammo, to swop for reloadable .223 cases or what have you.

Contact Vivian
W 960-2035
H 764-1057

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| 327|327|2003-07-11 19:54:09|Peter Moss|270 win - Browning 12ga Semiauto|
Some items for sale. The pics can be had from VJ or Colin
email them direct as they can be posted.

Peter

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From: "Jonker Vivian * Spoornet (GP)"
<VivianJ@... To: "'BCB FORUM'" <bcbsa@yahoogroups.com Subject: Guns for sale
Date sent: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 08:14:27 +0200

Hi All

Buddy of mine from Bellville posted this, the other weepon is a
Parker Hale (Mauser-type action) scoped .270 Win. with some
ammo. It appesars to have fired +- 10 rounds, and still had 3
rounds in the mag when it was handed to Colin for safe keeping
by the late boss's widow ! Make an offer ! NB: the Browning
autoloader shotty may be a bit tricky to license under the new
FCA, think up GOOD reasons why you want/need it. It too has
fired less than 25 rounds. Colin can be contacted via email addy
below, or at work Tel No 021-980-3200.

Sarah,
Do you perhaps know anyone who may be interested in the Browning
?

Peter,

Could you please forward to the appropriate forum ('sa guns for
sale', or whatever, as my access has been fatally terminated by
our electronic watchdog)

Done

Regards & thanx

VJ

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Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 12:15 PM
To: VivianJ@...
Subject: hi


Hi Viv


I'm still trying to sell my boss's firearms. If you know of
anyone steer
them in my direction.

Find some pics of the shotty.

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| 328|327|2003-07-12 05:31:21|John Duckitt|Wanted|
Hi

Can anyone help. I am looking for the target peep sights for a .303 No 1
Mk3(SMLE) or a No 4 Mk2. If you know of anyone who might have something I
can buy, beg, borrow or steal, please mail me directly to
jduckitt@...

John
| 329|329|2003-07-14 22:52:16|Doug Norval|Volunteers required to help man a SAGA stand at the SAAACA Arms Fai|
Hi All,

I am looking for some Volunteers to help man a SAGA stand at the SAAACA
Arms Faire over the weekend of August 2nd & 3rd.

The Faire hours are from 09:00 until 16:30 Saturday & Sunday. We will
work in 4 shifts over the weekend.

If you are willing to help, please contact me on the below details.

Thanks and regards.

Doug Norval
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| 330|330|2003-07-23 12:34:18|Evan Summerson|gun for sale|
Hi there!

I want to sell a 44Ruger Super Black Hawk gun with a 12 inch barrel. It is
in a very good condition - good as new. Only 50 rounds shot with it.

If it is possible will you please be so kind to spread the word there with
the hunting guys.
My tel. no 082 866 4320 or 011 623 2896.

Gun price - R 5000 neg.

Thank you so much - If somebody is interested they can also e-mail me.

avanloggerenberg@...

Adel.

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| 331|331|2003-07-23 19:17:15|Steve Conisbee|Ruger 44 Mag Sale or Swap for .22LR|
Ruger Blackhawk 44 Magnum 7 3/8" Barrel, TASCO 2 x 20 Scope, + 300 Rounds, + Dies, + 1400 x 245g FMJ bullets value R3500. For Sale or Swap.

Swap for accurate .22LR Rifle plus scope!. or what have you? (7 x 57 or 30-06) cash either way.

Steve & Elly Conisbee
Home Telephone 012 668 1908
Steve Mobile 082 807 3955

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| 332|332|2003-07-30 08:33:01|Geoffrey Sothern|Scorpion torch for sale|
Hi all,

I have a new Streamlight Scorpion torch for sale. Unused in it's packaging. R550.00

Either off-line or 083-456-8104

Thanks,
Geoffrey


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| 333|333|2003-08-01 13:48:25|Hilton Bothma|(no subject)|
TIMEX - GARMIN GPS distance measuring system. Ideal for runners & hikers as
it gives the exact distance covered, times, split times ETC. R3000.00.
[available in SA for R4000]
012-6673238.
Hilton.
| 334|334|2003-08-07 10:26:51|Doug Norval|Re: [SAtalkguns] support each other|
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoffrey Sothern [mailto:reds-range@...]
Importance: High

I honestly believe this is an important concept. Not to get freebies
and
discounts, but to put money in where it counts.............
-----Original Message-----

The first page is up as a start to getting this project going.

go to www.douglascom.co.za/gun_stuff/ and look for "Support these
businesses" on the menu or just bookmark this page
www.douglascom.co.za/gun_stuff/support.htm

Regards

Doug Norval
The I.T. Guy
011 802 7415
083 308 4775
| 335|334|2003-08-07 10:31:48|Doug Norval|Re: [SAtalkguns] support each other|
Sorry, I'm being a dof twit this morning. I missed a directory when
typing out the URLs earlier.

go to www.douglascom.co.za/gun_stuff/ and look for "Support these
businesses" on the menu or just bookmark this page
www.douglascom.co.za/gun_stuff/pages/support.htm

Regards

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| 336|336|2003-08-12 06:58:40|garygriffiths2002|WANTED - .22Rifle|
Hi Guys,

I am looking for .22 Rifle either a savage or Hornet.

Thanks
G
| 337|337|2003-09-09 21:56:13|Doug Norval|WebSite - Shooting from the Lip|
Hi all,

My website, "Shooting from the lip" has finally found a home and a name. It
is no longer being hosted as a subsite. It is now www.gunweb.co.za and
will now start growing.

Regards

Doug


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| 338|338|2003-09-10 08:51:43|Rocco Van Tonder|.223 For Sale|
Hi all,

I have a Vektor H5 .223 For Sale

Details:
Fold-up but
Silencer That works!! done by Sporting Arms In Edenvale
Extra Mags - R4 32 rounds
Extra Rounds
Carry Bag
Leather strap
Scope

R4750.00

Contact Rocco
082 554 3128
| 339|338|2003-09-17 16:11:24|Martin|Another gunshop 4 sale|
Howzit,

A friend of mine in Kempton Park has decided he's had enuff, so is
selling his gunshop, it's in a very busy shopping complex in
the Hyperama centre, anyone in the market for it, ask me for details.
there are only three other gunshops in Kempton.

Martin2
| 340|340|2003-09-23 09:32:14|Doug Norval|FW: SAAACA forthcoming event|
-----Original Message-----
From: S.A.A.A.C.A. [mailto:saaaca@...]
Sent: 23 September 2003 09:09
To: saaaca@...
Subject: SAAACA forthcoming event
Importance: High



Members,
re: FORTHCOMING EVENT - DEALER DAY
SUNDAY, 5TH OCTOBER, 2003 - WAR MUSEUM

Due to the fact that there has been a very poor response to this event, it
will no longer be open for dealers and traders outside of SAAACA.
The event will take the form of a "Swap 'n Trade" and, as we have a limited
number of tables available for participation, it will be a first come, first
serve basis.
Please note there will be no charge for table hire. Should you wish to bring
along your own table, please do so.
Opening time will be 9am and you will be expected to pay your own entrance
fee at the main gate, i.e. R10 for adults, R5 for children and pensioners.

(Mrs) Jenny Nixon
Admin. Secretary
Tel: 27 (0) 11 679-1151
Fax: 27 (0) 11 675-2094
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| 341|341|2003-09-25 22:20:58|Hilton Bothma|(no subject)|
Hi all, help!
Any one know where I can get a magazine for a Mannlicher .243.
It's the plastic rotary type.
Thanks
Hilton.
| 342|342|2003-09-26 08:54:10|Schroder, Heinrich|Items for sale|
Hi All,

I have a 10" TC 300 Wisper barrel (SST) in pristine condition with dies and lots of cases for R3000 neg.
I am in Cape Town.
Contact me on 0833271173

Thanks
Heinrich


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| 343|343|2003-09-26 14:01:21|vanair2002|8x64S Ammunition for sale|
Hi

I have approx. 100 x 8x64S ammunition for hunters or collectors.
There are six boxes of 10 rouns per box made by PS.
The rest are loose rounds consisting of DWM and Brennneke/Leipzig.

I dont know the caliber and what would is a fair price to ask.

Regards

Pieter
| 344|344|2003-09-26 16:18:54|Hilton Bothma|FW: SA guns for sale|
Placed on behalf of John Harris.

Wanted; Small 20ga side/side for my 12 yr old boy. A 12ga still punches him
around too much and I don't want to get him flinching.
Contact on 083-638-3006

Thanks
John
| 345|345|2003-10-02 13:58:48|a017216|12bore and 9mm for sale.|
12 bore double barrel shotgun. Simson boxlock pre WW2. Barrels
engraved Fluss Stahl Krupp Essen. Condition good.
CZ75 9mm pistol. Condition good.
Contact Chris 083 307 9503.
| 346|346|2003-10-02 14:29:55|Gideon Du Toit|Kudu Full Skin for sale|
Brand new Tanned Kudu full Skin for Sale - R600-00

Gideon
082-450-3222
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| 347|347|2003-10-16 08:49:51|Evan Summerson|Webley for sale|
Graham
You may care to have a look-see, seeing as you collect these things

Cheers

VJ

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Subject: Webley for sale


Hi Jenny,
Please advertise amongst your members the following;

Webley .32 S&W Long - break action revolver
A 61106

I hope I interpret the following correctly;

1Xbox Sako .38 Spl Ammo
part box .357 win
part box .32cic

Seller Natalie Sher - 011 793-3892
She is quite eager to sell
I have not seen the items & it is suggested that potential buyers communicate directly with her.

You may vaguely recall me attending on your your annual shoots.

Many thanks

Cedric Glynn

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| 348|348|2003-10-24 17:49:29|Geoffrey Sothern|over & under shotgun|
Hi all,

I have a new Lanber o/u, single trigger auto-eject with fixed chokes, light optic front sight for R7500. This is a beautiful gun, very well made. The price is below cost.

I also have a Winchester 30-30 lever action I am willing to consider selling.

Should anyone be interested, please give me a call

Geoffrey
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| 349|349|2003-10-24 22:16:30|Doug Norval|FW: Winchester 30-30|
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From: CSD Greg Goosen
Sent: 24 October 2003 10:41
To: 'secretary@...'
Subject: Winchester 30-30


Hi Dougie,

Here's what I want.

A 30-30 Winchester 94 with at least a 20 inch barrel. As long as the metal
work is in good condition, I'll be interested.

Regards,
Greg Goosen
Tel : +27 13 690 9034
Fax : +27 13 690 9969
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| 350|349|2003-10-28 17:11:18|Martin|6 weapons for sale.|
Friend of mine, (another one), died about two or three years ago,
used to own Kyalami Arms. Wife is selling his private collection. He
took good care of the set. She's getting rid B4 new licencing laws
come in.

Selling;

AK 47 @ 4.5 thou'.
Uzi 9mm @ 4 thou'
Baikel 12g 2 thou
CBC 12g c/w extra barrel and carry case, 2,3 thou
Parker hale 308 + scope (good one) 3 thou
Mossberg pump 12g pistol grip pump 1.2 thou.

All subject to offer, interested parties Email me with your details,
you will buy direct from her. Cash only.

Martin2
| 351|348|2003-10-29 23:03:57|Martin|Re: 6 Weapons for sale.|
Apologies to everyone, the price I posted on the AK 47 the other day
was incorrect, it should have been five and a half thou', not four and
a half. My mistake.

Offers already in should re-negotiate accordingly. All guns are in
"Excellent" Condition and may be viewed in a dealership in Edenvale,
East Rand.

Martin2, (SAFF).
| 352|352|2003-10-31 14:03:05|Faber, Anton A|Air rifles for sale|
Hi,

If anyone's interested, I have 2 air rifles (.177) for sale:
1. BSA Meteor: brand new, unfired, in it's box. R1300. I bought a few out of
a liquidation sale - decided to keep one and sell the rest.
2. Gamo Shadow 640, second hand, in box, with Gamo 4x20 scope. R900. In
excellent condition.

Does anyone know where I can parts for a Webley Tempest airpistol? The
agents/importers in Cape Town don't have and are in no rush to get any in
either.

Anton Faber
(011) 636 6024 (Office)
(083) 324 9023 (Mobile)
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| 353|352|2003-11-02 14:37:03|Martin|Berdan Primers, anyone?|
I have been tasked with the disposal of a considerable quantity of Berdan
Primers for a friend. I have no use for them.

There are two types ;

1./ Vihtavuori No 6, 4.5mm Made in Finland by a company name of Kemira oy, Still
in original packing of 250 per packet, cartoned in quantities of 10 packets.

2./ "Firearms Import Export Miami Florida", tightly sealed, small red steel
"snuffbox" type container indicating ".22 Cal crimped blank official cartridges
for all starter pistols" (with the warning they are "Extra loud"), that also
look like Berdan's to me. These have all been permanently stored under "ideal"
conditions.

Seller is open to any offers, for any quantity. (Buy now while stock last, LOL).

These items form part of a complete "lifetime of serious reloading" collection
from a deceased estate for sale over the next few weeks. Books include; Complete
book of revolvers, Gun Digest book of Exploded firearm drawings, (275 exploded,
isometric views), Handguns for self defence, (an SA guide by Gerry Gore). The
seventh edition of Handloaders Digest by John T Amber. Cooper on Handguns,
revised edition 1975. The Guns and Ammo guide for home defence. The auto pistol
handbook. The complete book of handguns. The Lyman Reloading handbook, 46th
edition, 1982 (a massive tome of 450 pages).

Caseguard ammo boxes, brand-new unfired brass still in sealed containers, bullet
moulds, presses, dies, case trimmers, lube kits and an exhaustive, fully
comprehensive RCBS reloaders equipment list some would die for. An excellent
"Christmas wish list" for the dedicated reloader. Most items in pristine
condition.

All Items will only be sold via this forum.

Martin2
SAFF, Kempton Park.


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| 354|352|2003-11-03 08:01:44|Eastes, Thomas|Re: Berdan Primers, anyone?|
Hi Martin

I would be interested in the reloading components, cases and brass. Especially 8x57JS and .458. Do you have a list that you can forward with prices?

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| 355|352|2003-11-03 12:54:41|blign_ch|Re: Berdan Primers, anyone?|
Martin,

Pls post the said shopping list. I am interested in anything
for .44Mag caliber (cases, case trimmer, ammo boxes, etc)

Rgds,
Christo B.

containers, bullet
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| 356|352|2003-11-04 15:07:12|Martin|Reloaders list.|
Deceased estate, reloaders disposal list.

RCBS
1 X JR3 Loading Press, complete, hardly used.
1 X Lube-a-matic bullet lubing press
2 X hand autoprimers, (one Lee, one unknown - grey) both are c/w both rams but
no primer trays.
1 X Molten lead dipper/ pourer.
1 X Reloading scale, complete, new, still boxed.
1 X Powder trickler
1 X case lubing kit, complete.
1 X Bullet lube "hollow stick".
1 X Powder funnel
1 X Uniflow powder measure, boxed.
1 X Bullet puller, non kinetic, (fits to press) c/w collet
1 X Case-trimming "mini-lathe" kit up to .30 cal c/w 3 collets. boxed
1 X 3 die set 9mm
1 X 3 die set 38/357
1 X De-burring tool
2 X Top punch, RCBS 429 and a Lyman 311
2 X Shellholder, No 6, No 16
3 X Bullet sizer die, .355, .356 and .357
-----------------------------------------------
1 X Lee loader kit, pistol, boxed.
3 X Lee bullet molds double cavity, 9mm .356 RN 111gr, 9mm .356 RN 125 gr,
38/357 - .358 SWC 140gr
300 X Brass, new, boxed, Hirtenburger - 200 X 9mm Para. Sako -50 X 9mm Para,
Norma X 50 38 sp
550 X Brass, used, primed, 400 X PMP - 38 sp, 150 X PMP 9mm Para.
200 X Bullets, PMP SJHP 158 gr
3 X Reloading trays, carefully hand made, nice lacquer finish, -
take 100 cases each, sized perfectly to .38/357 Measure 400X80X23mm
8000 X Berdan primers, Vitavuori.
10 X Caseguard green ammo boxes (take 50), 9mm
8 X Caseguard green ammo boxes (take 50), 38/357.
1 X Parker hale cleaning rod, baguette.

Serious offers only please, most gear is in VGC, some not even unpacked. All
with full instructions.

Martin2 (SAFF).

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| 357|352|2003-11-04 15:11:51|Rolly Galpin|Re: Reloaders list.|
Martin,

I am interested in the reloading scale. Do you know what type it is and what
capacity?

Rolly



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| 358|352|2003-11-05 07:16:42|Michiel Meyer|Re: Reloaders list.|
Will you sell the items individually?

Martin wrote:

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| 359|352|2003-11-05 11:20:13|Grant Van Niekerk|Re: Air rifles for sale|
Have you tried Cape Guns in Cape Town? If they don't have or cannot order,
they may be able to smith it.

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Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:03 PM
To: 'SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [SAGuns4Sale] Air rifles for sale


Hi,

If anyone's interested, I have 2 air rifles (.177) for sale:
1. BSA Meteor: brand new, unfired, in it's box. R1300. I bought a few out of
a liquidation sale - decided to keep one and sell the rest.
2. Gamo Shadow 640, second hand, in box, with Gamo 4x20 scope. R900. In
excellent condition.

Does anyone know where I can parts for a Webley Tempest airpistol? The
agents/importers in Cape Town don't have and are in no rush to get any in
either.

Anton Faber
(011) 636 6024 (Office)
(083) 324 9023 (Mobile)
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| 360|360|2003-11-05 13:15:00|Martin|Christmas prezzy?|
Howzit SA "gunners",

Apart from all your usual gun-nut friends, you may have a few
"undecided's" amongst them. Maybe our book "Conditioned Victim" would
make a nice present.

Dealing with personal and group strategies on reducing your chances
of becoming a victim, it touches on firearms, (well, slightly more
than "touches"). But it eases the reader gently into considering a
weapon of some sort, from kitchen knives and the lid on your toilet
cistern, through batons, zappers, sprays etc.

The most "pro-firearm" statement we make is that a firearm is of
course the only weapon that'll keep your attacker at a distance.

CCI, (the publisher), is the closest NGO to being "Gun Friendly" so
you're supporting the cause anyway.

Corporates may offset costs of purchase against the government's
"social awareness" levy which is payable anyway, direct your levy to a
good cause, Crime Prevention - Community and Citizen style.

After all. for all you practise actually shooting a perp, prevention
is ten thousand times more important than cure.

"Conditioned?" is available over Christmas for R29.99 each, for five
or more.

Martin Hedington.

GM - CCI. Community-driven Crime-prevention Initiative,
(NPO/PBO)

Publisher - Conditioned Victim? Your Choice!
(27) (0)11-391-2979 / (0) 82-392-9744
Kempton Park. South Africa.
| 361|352|2003-11-05 13:15:06|Martin|Reloaders list.|
If the stuff doesn't move as complete kits, yes.
Martin2
| 362|362|2003-11-09 21:45:02|Doug Norval|New Draft Regulations for the Firearms Control Act|
Hi All,

There is a indexed, HTML version of the new October 2003 draft regulations
available on my WebSite www.gunweb.co.za in the section on SA Firearm Laws.

The file is some 100 odd pages. If anybody wants a copy, just drop me a
mail at gunweb@....

Regards

Doug Norval


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| 364|364|2004-01-02 14:00:19|blign_ch|Rohm .22LR|
All,

Mother-in-law has got a Rohm in .22LR calibre. The revolver was
inherited from her father in the late 1980's. It has not seen a lot
of shooting, even since my involvement in the family. She is
considering selling it since at her age to go through all the shlep
of the new FCA's relisensing procedures is not what she anticipates
doing with her pension time !

I am interested to find out what the selling potential of this
firearm is as I do not know the make well at all - any suggestions
will help !

My initial advice/thoughts were to hang on to it as long as the
conversion timing (5 years correct?) of the FCA makes it legal to
posess, if that is adviseable....

Rgds,
Christo B.
| 365|364|2004-01-02 14:08:50|Barry|Re: Rohm .22LR|
I may be wrong, but I forsee a glut of used arms on the market as the first re-licensing period approaches. The Rand will then probably be worth less than it is now. People buying firearms then will have to REALLY be wanting them and they will have to be useful arms, eg to add to a collection or for use in sport. Plinking will be out.

Probably be best to sell soon.

But then, look on the bright side, the FCA may not be implemented at all. ;-)

B

Mother-in-law has got a Rohm in .22LR calibre. The revolver was
inherited from her father in the late 1980's. It has not seen a lot
of shooting, even since my involvement in the family. She is
considering selling it since at her age to go through all the shlep
of the new FCA's relisensing procedures is not what she anticipates
doing with her pension time !

I am interested to find out what the selling potential of this
firearm is as I do not know the make well at all - any suggestions
will help !

My initial advice/thoughts were to hang on to it as long as the
conversion timing (5 years correct?) of the FCA makes it legal to
posess, if that is adviseable....

Rgds,
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| 366|366|2004-01-15 22:58:54|Hilton Bothma|(no subject)|
Hi all,
I have a .17 Remington Contender , immaculate [I mean MINT], about 10
shots fired.
Includes 3-9 Extended eye Relief Leopold scope.
About 90 rounds, 100 unprimed cases, 500 bullets, all reloading 'Wilson'
dies.
What's it worth please?
Also a .223 Contender Bbl with same 3-9 scope.
Value please?
Thanks
Hilton.
| 367|367|2004-01-16 09:10:16|Gideon Du Toit|Re: |
Hi Hilton

What mounts do you have for the 'scopes?

Gideon

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Subject: [SAGuns4Sale]


Hi all,
I have a .17 Remington Contender , immaculate [I mean MINT], about 10
shots fired.
Includes 3-9 Extended eye Relief Leopold scope.
About 90 rounds, 100 unprimed cases, 500 bullets, all reloading 'Wilson'
dies.
What's it worth please?
Also a .223 Contender Bbl with same 3-9 scope.
Value please?
Thanks
Hilton.




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| 368|367|2004-01-16 13:08:18|Hilton Bothma|Re: |
Ok, Just checked.
Both scopes mounted with Leopold mounts & scopes are 2.5 - 8 EER
Leopold's!
The .223 is a 14" ported bbl & the .17 is a 14" bbl with a blade sight!
I 'acquired' them both new myself & was wondering the value!
Thanks
Hilton.

Hi Hilton

What mounts do you have for the 'scopes?

Gideon
--------------------------------------
Hi all,
I have a .17 Remington Contender , immaculate [I mean MINT], about 10
shots fired.
Includes 3-9 Extended eye Relief Leopold scope.
About 90 rounds, 100 unprimed cases, 500 bullets, all reloading 'Wilson'
dies.
What's it worth please?
Also a .223 Contender Bbl with same 3-9 scope.
Value please?
Thanks
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| 369|369|2004-01-16 13:49:46|Gideon Du Toit|Re: |
Scopes are about R3500 - R5500 each.


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Ok, Just checked.
Both scopes mounted with Leopold mounts & scopes are 2.5 - 8 EER
Leopold's!
The .223 is a 14" ported bbl & the .17 is a 14" bbl with a blade sight!
I 'acquired' them both new myself & was wondering the value!
Thanks
Hilton.

Hi Hilton

What mounts do you have for the 'scopes?

Gideon
--------------------------------------
Hi all,
I have a .17 Remington Contender , immaculate [I mean MINT], about 10
shots fired.
Includes 3-9 Extended eye Relief Leopold scope.
About 90 rounds, 100 unprimed cases, 500 bullets, all reloading 'Wilson'
dies.
What's it worth please?
Also a .223 Contender Bbl with same 3-9 scope.
Value please?
Thanks
Hilton.




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| 370|370|2004-01-16 17:39:14|Geoffrey Sothern|guns and other bits & pieces|
Hi all,

I have a new Japanese made Lynx scope, 4x32 Professional Monotube Series available at R900 cash.

Also, I have a few AK banana mags, some ribbed some smooth available for R120 each.

I can also help with 7.62x39 ammo of Polish origin at R1.50 a round, packs of 500.

Call me on 083-456-8104, thanks Geoffrey


I have been asked to place the following:

broomhandle Mauser, 7.63 (very good condition) and
Colt Delta Elite 10mmAuto (like new condition) for sale,

please call Grant on 082-498-0010 for prices etc.


Best regards,
Geoffrey Sothern
Consultant
Combined Life (Pty) Ltd
Randburg
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| 371|371|2004-01-22 09:10:46|stu_ramsay|CZ 78 - R2000|
Anybody interested in a CZ75, 1993 model ? It's hardly been used, it
still has the orgiginal finish on the exterior and most of the
internals. It is totally original - no fancy sights, grips etc. If
you are interested contact Neil on 083 253 8171. Make him an offer,
he might accept it ;-)
| 372|372|2004-01-22 14:22:48|Doug Norval|Firearms in an Estate|
Hi,

The following firearms are in an estate and are currently up for sale.

----------------------------
1 x Webly Mk6 6" .455 revolver

1 x Colt .22 Revolver (model unknown)

1 x BSA .22 Cadet Rifle

1 x BSA .22 Martini International Rifle

Contact Ray @ 082 442 9771
----------------------------
| 373|373|2004-01-26 13:30:49|blign_ch|.270 CZ Rifle for sale|
Afternoon all,

For sale:
CZ Prestige (USA) in .207 cal
Scope = Lynx 3-9x44
Leather sling/belt
Canvas type bag
Condition: Mint (according to owner, have personally not seen the
firearm)

Asking price = R8000

Contact: Gerhard @ 072-280-5645
| 374|373|2004-01-26 13:32:11|blign_ch|Re: .270 CZ Rifle for sale|
Sorry, caliber is .270 !!!

| 375|375|2004-01-28 11:59:32|Evan Summerson|357Mag|
Ruger .375mag (Police Service Six) for sale. Stainless Steel, excellent condition. Original box & wooden grips.

Reply/realistic offers to the following link only : mailto:evans@...?subject=357Ruger

Regards
Evan
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| 376|376|2004-02-03 12:34:25|Mr G|leupold rifle scope R3700|
leupold rifle scope 3-9*40
brand new still in box,never been used
R3700 contact gerald 0845588881

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| 377|377|2004-02-04 09:09:48|Eastes, Thomas|3-9 x 40 Leopold scope (Brand new)|
A friend is wanting to sell a brand new 3-9 x 40 Leupold scope. Never been used or on a rifle. Original and still in the box. Asking price is
R3600-00. Offers can be made to Gerald Pitter at: erry111@... erry111@... Tel numbers: 0845588881 or 7941506


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| 378|378|2004-02-04 15:40:27|Braam van Rooyen|Re: 4Sale|
Following handguns for sale:

.22 Anshutz Exemplar 14" R3000.00 (R 8000.00+ new according to Potshot
Kolskoot Joburg)

.22 Weirauch Revoler 10" R3500.00 (R 7500.00+ new as above)

7mmTCU 10" Thompson Contender R3000.00 (6000.00 + new estimated by City
Guns Capetown)

All arms well cared and good as new-willing to send digital photo of any
handgun in jpg format.

Cases,bullets and dies available,POR.

Contact me @ bvrooyen@...

Braam
| 379|375|2004-02-09 20:51:22|Braam van Rooyen|Re: 308 & 375H&H|
Hi

Do you perhaps know of any 308 and 375 H&H that are for sale?
Braam
| 380|375|2004-02-09 21:53:27|Geoffrey Sothern|Re: 308 & 375H&H|
Hi Braam,

A friend has a lovely Sako .308 with scope he is looking to sell. Wants
about R6500, if I remember correctly. If you are interested give me a call
or a mail (to geoffrey.sothern@...) and I will find out exactly
for you.

Best regards,
Geoffrey Sothern
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Combined Life (Pty) Ltd
Randburg
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| 381|375|2004-02-09 21:58:55|A Holmes|Re: 308 & 375H&H|
I have a .375 H&H I have been toying with selling.

It is an early sako action (FN commercial mauser action) with a
Douglas premium barrel and a fibreglass stock, put together by
Terry Harrison for me. The rifle has been fired a couple of times
for sighting in but never hunted, total shots fired less than 50.

At the moment it has a Leupold 3.5-10x50 variX-III on it and Apel
swing off mounts. Haven't given it serious thought but would want
something around R12,000 for it. The scope and mounts today would
cost at least R10,000 on their own.


Alex
| 382|382|2004-02-13 14:41:15|blign_ch|Reloading items for sale|
Afternoon all,

Below a list of items for sale plus contact person details. Bundled
offers for a die set and related ammo probably the better way to go.

Rgds,
Christo B.
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RCBS 3 Die Carbide
1 x .32 Auto (new) R200
1 x .38Spl/.357Mag (new) + Shell Holder R220
1 x .380Auto (new) + Shell Holder R220
1 x .45ACP (used) + Shell Holder R170
1 x 9mmp (used) R150

RCBS 2 Die
1 x .22-250 (new) + Shell Holder R180
1 x 30-06 (new) + Shell Holder R180

Other RCBS kit
RCBS Uniflow Powder Measure (used) R100
RCBS Trim Pro Manual case trimmer (incomplete) R70
RCBS Automatic Priming tool (incomplete) R50
3 stage powder funnel + RCBS powder trickler (used) R15

Ammunition
RWS 375H&H = 4 Live (300gr) + 1 Fired case R30
PMP .270Win = 14 x 150gr + 7 x Winchester (?gr) + 2 Fired cases R30
.303 Hornady = 20 x 150gr + 13 Fired cases + 10 x PMP (?gr) + 1 Fired
case R60
.22-250 Remington = 14 x 55gr + 23 Fired cases R30
30 cal bullet heads = 28 x 150gr PMP ProAmm R30
.38Spl = 28 x Fired cases + 47 x heads (?gr) R20
.357Mag = 24 x Fired cases R10
.32 ACP = 50 x 75gr FMJ-RN PMP + 4 x Unknown brand FMJ-RN (?gr) R40
9mmP = 116 x Unknown brand FMJ-RN (?gr) + 36 x RN-Lead Reloads (?gr)
+ 92 x FMJ-Heads (?gr) R80


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| 383|383|2004-02-17 07:53:40|Johan Gouws|375 H&H For Sale|
Hi

A friend is interested in selling his 375 H&H.
It was build by LPH van Deventer, gunsmith from Potchefstroom.

Not too sure it this it how to link to the pictures but here goes:-
to :

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SAGuns4Sale/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.d
nm=375+Pic+1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%
3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SAGuns4Sale/lst%3f%26.dir=/%
26.src=gr%26.view=t

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SAGuns4Sale/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.d
nm=375+Pic+2.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%
3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/SAGuns4Sale/lst%3f%26.dir=/%
26.src=gr%26.view=t

Can someone give us an estimate value??

Thanx
| 384|384|2004-02-18 12:47:41|Eastes, Thomas|.303 reloading components & accessories|
Hi All

I have the following for sale:
.303 Bullets:

120gn Stewards x 50 @ R150-00

150gn PMP x 100 @ R160-00

174gn Hornady x 100 @ R200-00

174gn PMP x 100 @ R180-00

Speer 180gn x 100 @ R250-00

215gn Stewards x 50 @ R200-00

.303 Virgin brass PMP x 50 @ R190-00

.303 O/F brass X 50 @ R90-00

.303 Lee Mould - R180-00

.303 Lee Sizer die - R150-00

.311 Gas checks x 1000 @ 120-00

#3 or #4 .303 scope bases and rings @ R330-00

Berdan De-capping dies @ R200-00

Scarce 10x40 Tasco (Original Japanese) @ R800-00 (used but good condition)

All above exclude shipping. Contact me on 084-761-1202 (All Hours) or 021-940-5233 (Office)

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| 385|385|2004-02-26 13:11:40|Hilton Bothma|(no subject)|
Anywhere I can get a Manlicher .243 rotary magazine?
Hilton.


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| 386|386|2004-02-26 13:19:06|Andy Norton||
Hi

Does anyone have any H&K MP5 30 rd curved mags and/or two mag clamps available?

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| 388|386|2004-03-01 19:14:04|Tarquin|Estimates on value|
Hi all

I was hoping some of you could shed some light (2c worth) on possible
value of some firearms, these are out of a deceased estate and the widow
would like to get rid of them (I am interested in a couple of them)

1. Taurus .38sp 4" barrel, it seems in good condition it indexes ok and the
blueing is in very good condition it was licenced in 1994 so I presume its
about that old

2. Baby Browning (6.35mm) pretty old, surface finish so-so condition
mechanically sound, no rust problems

3. Old Gecado underlever air rifle needs new spring etc

4. Old Gecado model 1, probably suitable for teaching a small kid too shoot,
rather bad condition

5. Mauser .22lr also licenced in 1994 excellent condition with Tasco 4x32
scope

6. Safe 4 rifle single door (Brand "phoenix safes")

Please note these items are not for sale yet, I just want to get a rough
estimate of their value, as soon as I know what is going to happen (Family
bickering incl) and any items are actually for sale I will place such a
posting.

Thanks keep well

Tarquin
| 389|389|2004-03-04 12:06:01|Xavier X|Wanted: .45ACP slide|
Is there anyone with a "spare" Colt / Norinco .45ACP slide that you would like to allow a change in ownership ?? The amount of cold hard cash it would take to allow such a change to take place?

Thanx!

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| 390|390|2004-03-04 12:15:38|Gideon Du Toit|Specials!|
Hi All

My better half has started a small business called Angels and Operators. She plans on supplying Tactical and Outdoor Equipment and also some higher quality Corporate gifts.

She has some amazing value opening specials, here they are.

Please give me a buzz should you be interested in any of the items.

Many thanx,

Gideon
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| 391|390|2004-03-04 12:35:38|Gideon Du Toit|Re: Specials!|
Oh, appears this list does not allow attachments. I'll copy and paste instead :

Item Description Specials
.38/9mm handgun kit in wooden display box 99.00
12guage 3pce kit in wooden display box 99.00
25X Brass telescope 250.00
8" Guthook Hunter serrated 198.84
Black Spyderco Worker 486.05
C405 JOT Khalsa Serrated 909.72
CKT Concourse L/L Alum Folder 154.65
CKT Rallye L/L Alum Folder 154.65
Deben slim electronic 900.00
Dragonfly l.weight 331.40
DWCP4x44 Dull (Tasco w/class riflescope) 720.24
Endura Plain edge 486.05
EZO 1x20 Red Dot (paintball guns) 209.89
Gerber 600 Delux w/tool kit 598.73
Gerber 700 Urban Legend 618.61
Gerber 800 gator Jaw box 729.08
Gerber E-Z out clam 331.40
Gerber Silver Serr 6" Filleter 154.65
Hawke Bino 10X50 600.00
NI fibre Optic- AA7I 81.30
NI fibre Optic- AAA 54.58
Police RH Spyderco 950.01
Pride Plain edge 267.46
Wenger Proffessional 38.88
Rustic Rifle Rest full size bipod 312.94
S&W Neck knife 236.40
S&W Neck Knife Tanto black 249.65
Spyderco Solo Zytel 121.51
Spydercard plain 331.40
Spyderrench Spyderedge 1,215.13
Std s/stl nesting (cup) 11.05
Stillcrin Cleaning Kit (shotgun) - 410 to 12 G For the serious Shotgun Collector! 499.00
SWHRT2B Badge knife black 265.12
Ultraoptic Camo 10X50 Bino 381.35
Ultraoptic r/cov comp black 10x25 145.56
Ultraoptic Ruby Bino 8x20 145.56
Ultraoptic Ultra focus 10x26 109.17
Ultraoptic WFG18-36x60 Spotting Scope 1,273.61
Ultratec s/stl hip flask tall 63.68
Wenger "Rhythm" 66.28
Wenger "Zebra" 66.28
Wenger 7th Ave 66.28
Wenger Basic 66.28
Wenger golfer blis 88.37
Wenger Golfer 124.76
Wenger N/Cape pres.w/com 124.76
Wenger Security 124.76
Wenger Std 159.07
Wenger top exec 143.61

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Subject: [SAGuns4Sale] Specials!


Hi All

My better half has started a small business called Angels and Operators. She plans on supplying Tactical and Outdoor Equipment and also some higher quality Corporate gifts.

She has some amazing value opening specials, here they are.

Please give me a buzz should you be interested in any of the items.

Many thanx,

Gideon
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| 392|392|2004-03-11 10:53:15|Christo Els|Press for Sale|
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| 393|393|2004-03-17 14:49:56|Gerald|Leupold rifle scope (brand new) R3400|
Leupold rifle scope 3-9*40 still in box R3400. It has never been
used. I purchased 2 and only now need the one.
Contact Gerald 0845588881
or email me erry111@...
| 394|394|2004-03-24 01:23:35|Geoffrey Sothern|velly good ammo & more|
Hi all,

I have a few boxes of scarce Federal 9BP LE +P+ 115gr JHP 9mmPara ammo available at R350 per box of 50. This is ammo is highly rated by Marshall&Sanow and has remained in the top 10 for some time. First edition gives 89% whilst latest book give 84% one shot stops. However you look at it, very good ammo for self defence/duty carry. Price includes postage.

Also have an original Parker Hale peep sight for the Lee Enfield .303 rifle. With original retaining screw.

Also, a wide selection of magazines including an STi mag at very good prices. Call and I will see if I have what you are looking for...

Look forward to hearing from you all. Prices include postage.


Best regards,
Geoffrey Sothern
Financial Advisor
Waterman & Son (Pty) Ltd
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| 395|395|2004-04-05 12:40:28|Niki Murphy|30cal bullets for sale.|
Hi All.

As the hunting season is almost upon us I thought I would let you know what is currently available from Bushveld Bullets and the prices.

.308 dia 180grain protected point bonded-core.
.308 dia 220grain Lead-tip Spitzer bonded-core.
.308 dia 150grain flat point bonded-core for 30-30 .

My retail price is R125-00 per box of 50, postage excluded, for all of the above. Interested dealers are welcome to call for special pricing. Anyone interested in pic's of the bullets or the wet pack test's recovered bullets can e-mail me offline and I will be happy to send them to you or just give me a call if you have any questions.

Thanks.

Sean Murphy.
Bushveld Bullets.
083 454 6742.
| 396|396|2004-04-05 14:27:33|blign_ch|Items for sale:|
Afternoon all,
Have not viewed below items myself, but are reported to be in good
nick. Sandy lives in West Rand area. Contact him directly pls.
******************************************************************
1x Rifle Safe ( 0.4 x 0.4 x 1.3m ) from S.A. Safe Equipment Edenvale
@ R600

.44Mag Ruger Redhawk Stainless Steel 7" barrel @ R3000
20 rounds of Hydro-Shock Jacketed Hollow Point @ R60
247 rounds of Norma, Hornady and Federal brands @ R400
30 rounds of Shot Shell 1/3 ounce #9 shot +/- 210 pellets @ R50
.44Mag speed loader @ R35
Hip Hugger Holster (.44Mag) @ R50

.22cal Ruger New Model Single Six 6" barrel (with .22Mag and .22LR
chambers ) @ R1500
240 rounds of .22Mag @ R200
538 rounds of .22LR @ R120
Carry bag (.22 Single Six ) @ R30

Parker Hale Cleaning Rods for both guns, 6 brushes, 2x2's, 2x4's
Wads, 2 cans of gun grease ( 30ml each ) @ R80

Contact: Sandy McCallum @ 011-763-3077 or 083-447-6541
| 397|397|2004-05-03 14:37:21|yahoo@dW.co.za|22 pistol for sale|
Hi all

On behalf of a little ol' lady who only shot it on Sundays,
I have a STAR .22 target pistol for sale.

She wants to get the pistol off her licence, being in no
mood for the new act etc. So any offers will be considered,
but it will have to happen via a dealer to get her licence
cancelled.

(Huge) pics at http://www.dw.co.za/forsale/STAR/

I also have a 14" 300 Whisper T/C barrel, if anyone knows
of anyone who would want such a thing :-)

Wouter
Cape Town
| 398|398|2004-05-04 11:04:57|Evan Summerson|Two scopes for Sale|
A mate of mine is selling 2 rifle scopes. Details as follows.

Tasco 3-9 x 40mm and,
Supreme 3-9 x 44mm.

Make him an offer, His name is Dave @ 082 903 6148

Cheers
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| 399|399|2004-05-04 11:06:53|Gideon Du Toit|Scope for sale|
Hi All

Tasco World Class Plus 4 x 40 brand new in box for only R800-00!

Gideon
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| 400|399|2004-05-09 11:47:00|Martin|Berdan primers|
Berdan small pistol primers.
Vihtavuori. Finnish.
Good for starter pistols and berdan brass.
R140 per thousand.
R18 per hundred.

Limited stock.

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| 401|401|2004-05-10 12:20:47|Geoffrey Sothern|LM5/R5 firing pin needed|
Hi all,

Need a firing pin for an LM5, must be the new mk2 one.

For a police buddy's service rifle which broke on the range during practice Saturday and he'd rather get it fixed privately (and therefore quicker).

Thanks, Geoff


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| 402|402|2004-05-10 12:26:16|Gideon Du Toit|Casco Expandable Batons|
Hi All

Our shipment of Casco Expandable Police Batons (See www.kreature.co.za) has landed. All sizes 16", 21", 24" 26" in chrome or black at only R780-00 each. These batons carry a lifetime warranty! Dealer and bulk enquiries welcome. We also have baton lights for Casco and ASP available from R 147-00.

Thanx,

Gideon
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| 403|403|2004-05-10 20:03:21|hubert.wentzel|FN spares available|
Hi all

I have various FN spares for sale. I have at least one of all the basic
components, excluding upper receiver and barrel. Was going to build an FN
from spares and buy a new barrel. Got one in the trade instead and am now
sitting with a box full of sought-after expensive spares....

Regards
Hubert
| 404|404|2004-05-17 10:24:23|Michiel Meyer|for sale|
An aunt of mine (in her 80's) wants to sell the following:
.22lr cal Astra pistol
.25 cal Astra pistol

ALL offers above R100 will be considdered, as she does not really care
about the money. I personally have not test fired them, but have
examined them, and they seemn to be functioning correctly. They were
last fired about 10years ago. Both are still in the original packaging
in which they were bought, and have the two original mags. I do not
know how old these pistols are. Reason for selling is that she does not
want to have them on her name anymore, and has moved to a retirement
village.

Interested parties can Email me with offers. I will pass these offers
on to the lady conserned.
Mic
| 405|405|2004-05-20 23:35:18|Geoffrey Sothern|Fw: BSA Meteor .177|
Hi All,

BSA Meteor Carbine, with factory moderator (silencer), like new R1200

Contact me offline on geoffreys@... or on my cell

Best regards,
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| 406|406|2004-05-20 23:35:23|Geoffrey Sothern|limited stock of special ammo etc|
Hi All,

I have some of the following available. Please note that quantities are limited.

Cor-Bon .40S&W 135gr +P JHP R250 per box of 20

Federal 9BPLE 115gr +P+ 9mmPara R350 per box of 50

Beril expandable batons, made in Czech Republic R550 each

223 SS109 62gr steel core ammo R60 per box of 50

other bits and bobs to follow...
Please contact me offline on geoffreys@... on my cell.
Thanks

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| 407|407|2004-05-21 07:43:35|Gideon Du Toit|Casco Batons and Baton lights|
Hi All

We have landed a shipment of Casco Expandable Batons and Ram Baton lights for Casco and ASP. These batons come with a lifetime guarantee and are currently used by our own SAPS Task Force, Recce's, several Metro departments and some of the better CQP agencies. See WWW.KREATURE.CO.ZA for more details. These are fantastic products of incredible quality. 16", 21", 24", 26" Black or Chrome - all sizes R780-00 each. Dealer enquiries welcome.

Baton lights from R145-00, dealer enquiries also welcome.

Have a great weekend!

Gideon

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| 408|408|2004-05-24 19:19:49|Geoffrey Sothern|Walther PP .22 magazine|
Hi all,

I have a immaculate cond magazine for a Walther PP in .22 LR calibre. R350


Best regards,
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| 409|409|2004-05-24 19:19:50|Geoffrey Sothern|CZ pistols and Sako .308|
Hi all,

These items are for sale on behalf of friends and acquaintances.

CZ75, late model but NOT the "B". Very good nick with pair of aftermarket wooden grips. R2800

CZ83. very good condition. R2000.

Both these pistols are the "used by little old lady" syndrome. Seldom fired, seldom carried. That is the reason for "very good condition" etc etc.

Sako .308 comes with a Hakko 3-9x40 scope. Illuminated reticule, if I recall but will confirm for those that are interested. This rifle is what I call a Mannlicher type stock, although those in the know will undoubtedly correct me. It has a full stock, to the end of the barrel. Also, very good condition with honest wear.

Contact me offline or on cell. Thanks. geoffreys@...

Best regards,
Geoffrey Sothern

084-680-0409


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| 410|410|2004-05-26 08:04:45|blign_ch|Somchem S365|
Morning all,

Have 4 x S365 tins (unopened/sealed) bought +-2 years ago for sale at
R90 a tin. Is stored in a safe with silica to prevent moisture. I
am in the Roodepoort/JHB area

Direct email pls - blign_ch@... or 083-212-8633 (leave a
message if unanswered pls)

Rgds,
Christo B.
| 411|411|2004-05-28 11:15:20|Eastes, Thomas|.303 - No4Mk1/2 bolt wanted|
Hi All

Have a club member that lost his .303 No4 Mk 1 bolt. He now has a virtually useless rifle. Does anyone have such a bolt for sale or have contacts for
one. He is even considering purchasing a complete rifle, use the bolt and have the rest scrapped legally. Please help if you can. Please mail offline
to myself.

Best Regards
Thomas F. Eastes
021-940-5233 - 084-761-1202
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| 412|412|2004-06-06 06:24:54|vroom_617414@cameasy.com|visit our new forum|
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| 413|413|2004-07-05 10:57:02|Martin|Advert, fundraiser.|
Howzit campers, hunters, sporters, duckers and divers.

Just got word from a friend that's brought in a container-load of
mini-fridges/ovens.

Works off 220 or 12v (car cigarette lighter) C/W two power leads. Drags 70w.
max.

Size: about 40cm high, 25cm wide 30cm deep, carry handle on top, rubber feet on
bottom.

Small door on front with insulated viewing window. Takes two canned six-packs.
Cute in pastel blue.

This stock will disappear to the hardware stores etc within a month or two,
ready for the summer season.

Selling at R440 new. 50% of profits to SAFF "War Chest", balance to CCI.

Martin2@CCI

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| 414|414|2004-08-02 10:52:35|Doug Norval|CZ83 Magazine required|
Hi All,

I have a friend who is in desperate need of a magazine for a CZ 83 (7.65mm).

Thanks

Doug
083 308 4775

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| 415|415|2004-08-04 10:35:43|Evan Summerson|.357|
Hi Guys,

I got a Ruger .357 to swap / sell. (See attached pics)

Specs= 4 inch barrel Police service six, Stainless, original grips, original box, excellent condition.

Swap options include
- .38 snubby is same condition (must be suitable for young lady)
- .45 Colt 1911 (not too fussy here, and am prepared to make cash adjustment, depending on condition)
- Other autos would also be considered on swap.

Sell options
- Prob not gonna go this route, but if you feel the need.... make an offer.

Cheers
Evan
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| 416|415|2004-08-04 10:37:27|Gideon Du Toit|Re: .357|
R5-00!

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Sent: 04 August 2004 10:19
To: SAGuns4Sale
Subject: [SAGuns4Sale] .357



Hi Guys,

I got a Ruger .357 to swap / sell. (See attached pics)

Specs= 4 inch barrel Police service six, Stainless, original grips, original box, excellent condition.

Swap options include
- .38 snubby is same condition (must be suitable for young lady)
- .45 Colt 1911 (not too fussy here, and am prepared to make cash adjustment, depending on condition)
- Other autos would also be considered on swap.

Sell options
- Prob not gonna go this route, but if you feel the need.... make an offer.

Cheers
Evan
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| 417|415|2004-08-05 09:46:12|Evan Summerson|.357|
Nice try Gideon. But the middle finger to you on this one :-)
Evan

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| 418|415|2004-08-05 10:48:07|Gideon Du Toit|Re: .357|
Hey, the bidding has to somewhere!

But I understand. ;-}

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Subject: [SAGuns4Sale] .357


Nice try Gideon. But the middle finger to you on this one :-)
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| 419|419|2004-08-10 10:58:05|Evan Summerson|12ga Pump|
Viv mentioned Pete Bauhaus has a Fabarm 12ga pump action up for sale. Price Neg. (Best offer gets the gun I guess).

Call Vivian on 011 773 3526 (o/h) for the low-down.

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| 420|420|2004-08-16 09:56:59|Evan Summerson|Sauer|
HI Guys,

I need some input / information.

A friend of mine has been offered the following:

Sauer (spelling) 90 in 30-06.
Full stock
Schmidt & Bender Scope (4/6x40 it seems)
Crocodile leather bag etc.
I believe that it hasn't been fired, or possibly a few times.

Now the big question: What would be a fair price for a gun like this?

Thanks in advance

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| 421|420|2004-08-16 12:11:52|Richard Meyer|Re: Sauer|
On Mon, 2004-08-16 at 15:57, Evan Summerson wrote:
Gideon'll give you fifty cents!

But seriously, that ensemble will cost a packet, although with gun
prices as they are ......

The scope alone is worth R1 000's

RichardM

| 422|422|2004-08-17 15:05:07|Doug Norval|Rossi Lever Guns|
Re: [List-lara] New comerHi all,

I have been approached by a dealer who has 31 BRAND NEW Rossi 38 Spec (only) Lever Action Rifles for sale , VIA LARA, at the ridiculous price of R1300.00 ex vat.

If we can get 15 of these sold, HE WILL DONATE 1 TO LARA as a club gun.

Orders Please :-)

Thanks & Regards

Doug Norval
Chairman
The Lever Action Rifle Association (SA)
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| 423|423|2004-08-26 20:09:34|Evan Summerson|classifieds|
classifiedsHi Jenny,

please would you include the below in the classifieds. Vivian asked me to forward to you. Also, I have no idea on the banners, maybe give John Keene a ring.

Thanks

Evan



One of the guys at work has fallen victim to the 'financial disarmament' factor of the FCA (as I predicted ! )
Dewald Gouws wants to sell the .38 S&W rewolwer featured in the attached pix.
Gun, plus 100-odd rounds ammo and holster for best offer.
Rollie was SAP-issue, which he purchased from his 'swaer' some years ago. Apparently no marks other than S&W's markings. Either reblued or original condition, does not seem to have had extensive use judging by condition of bluing. I doubt Dewald put more than 50 rounds thru it in the last 10 years.

Seller : Dewald Gouws
Tel W 011-773-3286

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| 424|424|2004-09-01 13:32:38|Evan Summerson|Bruno Stuff|
Brno .22 10 round magazines

I have used a 'no name brand' 10 shot magazine to shoot some hundreds of
rounds through my recently acquired Brno Mod 2 with no glitches. My main
complaint is the length of metal hanging out below the stock.
Which brings me to my next point: Does anyone know where I can obtain a
spring for the standard 5 round Brno magazine ? (The previous owner managed
to lose it). I have all the other bits, I just need the spring to restore it
to operation.

Cheers

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| 425|424|2004-09-01 15:30:56|Richard Meyer|Re: Bruno Stuff|
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 19:26, Evan Summerson wrote:
Try Randburg Guns, they used to have a display case containing all sorts
of odds and sods. Got 3 Norinco mags that worked perfectly for +- R20
each
| 426|426|2004-09-03 11:12:59|Evan Summerson|Re: Digest Number 177|
Thanks Richard, I will pass on to Viv

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| 427|427|2004-09-14 07:52:59|Mike Smith|Shotgun 4 Sale|
Shotgun 4 Sale

Beretta 12-gauge pump action. Immaculate. Hardly used. Any offers before I
take it to a gunshop?

Mike
| 428|427|2004-09-14 10:14:41|Martin|Re: Shotgun 4 Sale|
Come back and ask again on your return from the gun shop. :-)

Martin2


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Subject: [SAGuns4Sale] Shotgun 4 Sale


Shotgun 4 Sale

Beretta 12-gauge pump action. Immaculate. Hardly used. Any offers before I
take it to a gunshop? Mike


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| 429|429|2004-09-17 22:14:40|riflemans88|plse forward guns for sale message|| 430|429|2004-09-20 18:46:44|Claudio|Looking for|
Mike Mansell is looking for a Beretta 92 in lousy condition or better still
one that has been deactivated - URGENTLY

Tel: (011) 803-7181
| 431|431|2004-09-21 07:34:41|A Holmes|sectioned AK|
I have a fully sectioned AK47, actually an east German MpiK, not
a firearm so no licences required, it is fully cut away to
demonstrate the working parts etc, was going to paint all the
parts in contrasting colours but never got around to it. Much
like the R4 cutaways that LEW did many years ago.

Any interest? Haven't decided what I would want for it yet but
not a cheap toy, probably start the haggling at R10 000.

Alex
| 432|427|2004-09-27 16:10:41|Grant van Niekerk|Re: Shotgun 4 Sale|
Mike

What would you like to get for it?

Grant

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Shotgun 4 Sale

Beretta 12-gauge pump action. Immaculate. Hardly used. Any offers before I
take it to a gunshop?

Mike





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| 433|433|2004-09-30 10:08:17|Doug Norval|BREAKING NEWS !!!|
The Amnesty has been postponed !!

The Minister's office has just released a statement saying that the amnesty due to start tomorrow has been postponed. No new date specified yet.

Well Done SAAACA and other parties who made submissions to the minister.

Regards

Doug

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| 434|434|2004-10-01 14:40:36|Doug Norval|Fw: [SAFirearmForum] Vote on MWEB|
| 435|435|2004-10-06 11:52:46|Mike Smith|Pistols 4 Sale|
Pistols 4 Sale

1) CZ75 9mmP #20386 15-shot mag, hardly used

2) Beretta 92FS 9mmP #BER2768927 15-shot mag, brand new

Guns belong to my father who is interested in selling them? What offers?

I also have a friend who wants to know how he goes about selling a handgun
that is not registered?

Mike
| 436|435|2004-10-06 12:58:37|A Holmes|Re: Pistols 4 Sale|
selling a handgun
In such a hypothetical case the answer is simple, he doesn't.
There is no way to legally sell it and of course merely having it
is worth 15 years in jail these days. Not to mention the criminal
offence of anyone having knowledge of such an illegal firearm and
failing to report it to the SAPS (as for instance if this was not
a hypothetical case and all the readers of this message thought
it might be true) which is worth another 15 years in jail for all
of those people.

Anyone who has an illegal firearm could/should make use of the
coming amnesty to hand it over
| 437|435|2004-10-06 13:25:02|Gideon Du Toit|Re: Pistols 4 Sale|
I thought he meant like a black powder or replica, aren't those not registered?

-----Original Message-----
From: A Holmes [mailto:aholmes@...]
Sent: 06 October 2004 01:02
To: SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SAGuns4Sale] Pistols 4 Sale



selling a handgun
In such a hypothetical case the answer is simple, he doesn't.
There is no way to legally sell it and of course merely having it
is worth 15 years in jail these days. Not to mention the criminal
offence of anyone having knowledge of such an illegal firearm and
failing to report it to the SAPS (as for instance if this was not
a hypothetical case and all the readers of this message thought
it might be true) which is worth another 15 years in jail for all
of those people.

Anyone who has an illegal firearm could/should make use of the
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| 438|438|2004-10-13 11:46:05|Doug Norval|Online Vote|
| 439|439|2004-10-13 15:51:49|Doug Norval|Fw: TV Alert - Sunday 17 October|
| 440|440|2004-10-13 21:43:58|Hilton Bothma|(no subject)|
Hi,
I have someone interested in a Glock....9mm .
Ok,
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| 441|441|2004-10-15 13:16:41|Doug Norval|CZ83 Magazine required urgently|
Hi,

I have a friend who has a CZ83 and who requires a magazine URGENTLY.

Thanks

Doug
083 308 4775

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| 442|441|2004-10-25 07:37:22|blign_ch|Re: CZ83 Magazine required urgently|
Doug,

Between the first post of 2/8/04 and now he could have had it posted
from K-Mag ! Bought 2 extra's for then my, now the wife's CZ83 12
years ago and they are going as good as the originals (I rotate all
my mags weekly).

They are actually better than the originals in that they do not
rattle with any amount of rounds loaded...

Rgds,
Christo B.

| 443|441|2004-10-25 08:20:07|Doug Norval|Re: CZ83 Magazine required urgently|
Hi,

We had a look at K-Mag but I have since found out that he has a reasonably
different '83 in that it is chambered for the 7,65 cartridge and not the
"standard" 9mm short.
Regards

Doug

| 444|441|2004-10-25 22:04:13|Hilton Bothma|(no subject)|
from K-Mag .
Be very careful what you buy from K-mag. The ones I bought for a BM
wouldn't feed!!!
Hilton,.
| 445|445|2004-10-29 10:21:59|Doug Norval|Fw: Classifieds - w/e 29th October|
| 446|446|2004-11-02 16:13:13|Doug Norval|Reloading kit for sale...|
Reloading kit for sale...fyiHi,

Posted on behalf of seller, Jürgen Briggen. He can be reached after 19h00 at home on (011) 609-3791, please contact him directly.

Regards

Doug



Bullets (lead bullets are mainly Frontier bullets)

8 x 300's 9mmP - 122gr

3 x 250's .45 - 200gr

11 x 200's .45 - 200gr CMJ

100 x .45 175 gr

Total: R1500

Powder

5 x MP200

Total: R500

Primers

5382 x CCI small pistol

506 x CCI small pistol magnum

6312 x RWS large pistol

646 x CCI small rifle

353 x Winchester large rifle magnum

931 x PMP large rifle magnum

Total: R3800

Presses, dies, etc.

1 x RCBS Rockchucker press / case kicker / case catcher

2 x RCBS scales Model 5-10 (1 x new)

1 x RCBS Uniflow powder measure with stand

1 x RCBS hand priming tool

1 x Lee auto prime tool

1 x RCBS kinetic bullet puller

1 x Lyman powder dribbler

1 X Lyman scale weight check set

1 x automatic multi-cal self adjusting shell holder

10 x MTM multi-cal loading trays

1 x RCBS loading tray

1 x RCBS fl die set .375 H/H Mag & shell holder

1 x Lee .375 H/H Mag case trimmer

1 x RCBS carbide die set .45 ACP / shell holders

1 x RCBS carbide die set 9mm P / shell holders

1 x Hornady Titanium die set 9mm P / shell holders

1 x Lee speed die 9mm P / shell holder (carbide)

1 x Lee carbide die 9mm P / shell holder (new)

1 x Lee carbide die .45 ACP / shell holder (new)

2 x Lee carbide die .40 S&W / shell holder (1 x new)

1 x RCBS 9mm P taper crimp die

1 x RCBS 9mm P taper crimp seater die

1 x RCBS .45 ACP taper crimp seater die

1 x Lee Factory crimp die .375 H/H Mag.

1 x Lee Factory crimp die .40 S&W

1 x Lee Factory crimp die .45 ACP

1 x Lee Factory crimp die 9mm P

Various shell holders for an assortment of calibers

Deburring tool

Powder funnel

Total: R4700


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| 447|447|2004-11-17 13:25:36|Doug Norval|Fw: Can you assist?|
Hi Guys,

I am looking for responses on Value and purchase interest for the following pistols for a friend. The pistols are in the JHB area.

Thanks

Doug

Glock 19 No. BLCXXX
9mm P
licence issued 19/1/1996

Walther PPK
No. 19XXXX
Cal 7,65 mm
licence issued 30/10/1985


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| 448|448|2004-11-18 23:02:37|Karel Kruger|Re: Blanks|
Hi,

Someone was looking for 22 cal blaks a while back.
Craig at Blunderbuss has got some.

Contact me if you are still interested.

Cheers
Karel
| 449|449|2004-12-15 13:23:09|Doug Norval|Fw: Licence Renewals - Poslec and SAQA Update|
| 450|450|2004-12-30 12:17:58|Doug Norval|Position Offered|
Laser Shot SA - Shooting Simulators

We are currently looking for people who are technically computer oriented as well as knowledgeable and competent with small arms to market, sell and install Laser Shot systems anywhere in Southern Africa.

There will be a start-up salary for 3 months and thereafter a commission only remuneration package.

It is important that you are well connected in the firearms industry, that you have a functional vehicle and that you have a solid sales history.

Information about the Laser Shot Systems can be seen at www.lasershot.com

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| 451|451|2005-01-28 12:36:27|Gideon Du Toit|2nd Hand Rifle wanted|
Hi

I'm looking for a GOOD 2nd hand rifle in .308 or 30-06. Any suggestion?

Gideon
082-450-3222
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| 452|452|2005-01-31 07:12:38|crimefreeza|National Organisation - New|
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a view to as soon as possible holding elections to elect working
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base of names and addresses, a website, limited funds, bank
account... and a well recognised name.

However all that is not just going to be handed over, we have to
show that we are worthy and can take this organisation to the top
making it the strongest national organisation in SA. Only the names
of sufficient volunteers willing to do the initial work will show
our good intentions.

The organisation will represent firearm owners to the fullest
without hesitation.

The organisation will fight and continue to fight unrealistic
and repressive legislation that removes rights from firearm
owners.

The organisation having sufficient funds will challenge any
legislation in court including the constitutional court

The organisation will promote firearms ownership in the media
and counter the propaganda of gun control.

The organisation having sufficient funds will facilitate
research on firearm related matters.

The organisation will attend where possible all meetings that
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legislation and not stop until realistic firearm legislation is in
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The organisation will keep in close contact with members by
written report and news as well as a email newsletter. Members can
receive help and advice as well a guides to legislation compliance.

The organisation will actively seek partners in challenging
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There is only one paid official position and that is the CEO. Alex
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What will a volunteer/s be expected to do. Increase membership in
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| 453|453|2005-03-31 15:34:34|Evan Summerson|Ruger for BP|
I have a .357 Ruger Police Service Six in excellent condition, 4 inch,
Stainless Steel up for a swap.

What have you in BP rifle?

Evan


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| 454|454|2005-04-21 10:15:25|Doug Norval|For Sale - Estate Ric Rohlandt|
Hi,

The following firearms are up for sale on behalf of Eric Rohlandt's family.

The firearms are all off Eric's Licences and are currently listed as stock at David Lok's Gun Connection in Ormonde, south of Johannesburg.

We understand that the current licencing crisis has depressed the market somewhat but please remember that all of these firearms are in excellent condition. David will hold the firearms for as long as it takes to get your licence.

Typically when one purchases a firearms, you pay the shop and apply for a licence, if the licence is refused, you get your money back and the shop resells the firearm. I would ask you to consider the following with these firearms, Pay for the firearm and allow David to pay the money through to Eric's family. If your license is refused or you no longer want the firearm for whatever reason, David will sell the firearm on, on your behalf.


Listed below are the guns held at Gun Connection (011-835-2484) on behalf of Eric Rohlandt:
4" Ruger s/steel .357 Magnum Revolver

Bruno .22 Bolt Action Rifle with scope

Rossi .357 Magnum Rifle Lever Action

Browning .30 Remington Bolt Action Rifle with scope

Thanks and regards

Doug Norval
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| 455|326|2005-04-28 11:17:59|iwilbfine|For Sale|
Hi list
Seems the only logical thing to do.
I am sitting with a number of licensed fire arms, that are in someone
elses care as I am not resident in South Africa at the moment.
I was a keen target shooter and my late husband the same as well as a
hunter. His estate left all his fire arms to his 3 sons, who are
under age to take a license, so therefore I had them licensed in my
name.
So in a way I feel bad to sell them as it is part of their
inheritance and a legacy from their Dad, but I have been advised to
either sell them all or hand them in at a police station, the latter
of which I have been warned against, as it seems the weapons get
stolen or sold at some police stations, without them ever being
dereistered from the licensed owner who hands them in.
Can anyone here advise?
WEAPONS ARE:-
1 Walter ppk 9mm short
1 Falke wind pellet gun " which I have been told does not
need/require a license, but at present is licensed.
1 Mauser 7.62 Rifle "this is a collectors item"
1 9mm Beretta parabellum long
1 Musgrave 243 rifle
1 Musgrave 30-06 rifle
1 Mossberg 12 BR shotgun
1 Boito 12 BR shotgun "I think one of the shotguns are pump action"

The weapons are all in very good condition and have been kept in a
safe since the passing of my late husband in 1993.

Thanking all in advance on this list for any help.

AKA
Iwillbefine
| 456|456|2005-05-18 11:37:40|Gerald|Bruno cz70 :7.65|
Hello
I am looking for a Bruno CZ70 7.65 magazine for a friend of mine who
is in nesperate need as he lost his and does not have a spare if
anyone can help please contact me on
084 5588881
Thankyou very much
Gerald
| 457|456|2005-05-18 15:48:55|Barry|Re: Bruno cz70 :7.65|
TRY
... E-mail: k-mag@... PO Box 9069 Hutten Heights 2956 Newcastle
South ... K-MAG magazines are manufactured in South Africa by HK Precision.
...



| 458|456|2005-05-18 15:50:01|Barry|Re: Bruno cz70 :7.65|| 459|456|2005-05-19 12:54:14|Hilton Bothma|Re: Bruno cz70 :7.65|
Be careful when you buy K-MAG's - I bought a couple & they wouldn't
work!! Fitted BUT wouldn't let the cartridges cycle!!!
Good luck,
Hilton.
.
.
TRY
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Newcastle
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| 460|456|2005-05-19 13:02:16|Doug Norval|Re: Bruno cz70 :7.65|
tried kmags on my armscor 45, same issue, they wanted to sell me a 13shot
mag that i still had to modify for close on R500 @ the aim show


| 461|461|2005-07-07 11:42:43|Doug Norval|Uberti Replica - 1858 Remington New Army|
Hi,

I am looking for a home for my Italian replica 1858 Remington New Army Revolver.

It was a kit gun that I acquired with some parts missing. I have had it sorted and now it works properly. It hasn't been finished off yet in that the brass needs to be smoothed and the grips finished etc.

Reasonable offers will be looked at.

Photo available on request.

Regards

Doug


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| 462|462|2005-09-14 15:37:14|Doug Norval|For Sale, Books, DVDs|
Hi,

I am clearing some stuff out to concentrate more fully on my theme.

this is the stuff:

Books:
Men At War - Edited by Hemingway
A farewell to Arms - Hemingway
The torrents of spring - Hemingway
The short happy life of Francis Macomber - Hemingway
First Journey - Winston Churchill
The Six Day War - Winston & Randolph Churchill
Here is your war - Ernie Pyle
HM Destroyers - Lt. Commander PK Kemp
Dieppe, The shame & the glory - Terence Robertson
D-Day 1944 - Voices for Normandy - Roderick de Norma & Robin Neilands
Green Beach (Dieppe) - James Leason

Videos:
Airwar - South East Asia
Britain @ War - The Homeguard

DVD:
The War File - The Great War
The War File - Great Sea battles of WWII
The War File - Battle of Britain
The War File - Special Forces
The War File - Snipers
Movie - Saving Private Ryan
Movie - Full Metal Jacket
Movie - The Last samurai (2 disk set)
Movie - Once upon a time in the West (2 disk set)

Regards

Doug

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| 463|463|2005-10-03 09:14:18|Evan Summerson|Various items for Sale|
post ll to BCB 4rumFrom: Vivian Jonker
For sale:
Krico 7x57 rifle with sling & Tasco scope
Winchester Mod 37 single barrel 12ga shotgun
Browning Hi Power 9mmP nickel-plated frame + 2 spare mags
Browning Hi-Power 9mmP with date 1958 and Belgian crest on slide forward of
rear sight "Congo Model"
Various holsters for the Brownings
Bushnell Stalker 10x-30x spotting scope with bench tripod
Lyman powder dribbler
250 x 22-250 (mostly Sako) unprimed cases
3x FN FAL/R1 20 round magazines
1 set Pat 83 chest webbing for R4 35-round magazines
Bushnell 2.5x20 rifle scope
Aitor skinning knife
Mundial butcher knife
Various reloading goodies and books

All reasonable offers considered

6 foot Venter trailer, tyres & general condition good, plus spare wheel,
licence up to date, R5000 neg

Contact Vivian Jonker W 011-773-5526 H 011-764-1057

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| 464|464|2005-11-14 09:41:41|Richard Boothroyd|Phone costs|
Guys, I just got a phone bill for over R700. I suppose that's normal for some people but it's untenable for me. Wish to hell we could have some competition to Telkom. Of that, R220 was calling cell phones from my land line. Of the R700 total, just over R100 could be identified as business related. Financially, I live permanently on the edge. I'm not complaining about it, but wastage of any sort reduces what I can put into the firearm fight. This is just to say that I won't be calling cell numbers except for work and firearm related matters that can't be handled any other way. Anyone who wants me to return calls, please give me the option of land line or e mail. If it's urgent enough for a cell call, please say so.



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| 465|465|2005-11-14 10:24:19|Barry|Re: Phone costs - TELKOM!!!|
Richard,
just be sure you pay the full amount.
I have a debit order, but the month before last I was over the limit by
R9,41. I went to Pick 'n Pray to pay the balance. I did not look at the
receipt. Next month I found that I had underpaid by 1c (PnP don't handle
cents). The interest charged for being 1c in arrears for one month was 15c.
Accounting folks will see that the annual % interest charged would make a
loan shark verrrrrrry happy.
This month I have underpaid by 94c. Wonder what interest I will be charged!!
Keep yer powder dry!
Barry



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| 466|311|2006-02-27 20:06:14|Karel Kruger|Re: Wanted|
Hi all,

I am looking for a stock for a TC Contender to turn it into a carbine.

If anyone knows where I can obtain one please let me know.

Regards

Karel Kruger
| 467|467|2006-05-23 17:33:40|Hubert.Wentzel|FW: Extremely Important - NO JOKE|
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| 468|468|2006-05-24 16:44:11|Doug (The IT Guy)|Re: Digest Number 207|
It's a hoax, pls ignore !!!


| 469|469|2006-05-25 09:00:14|meyerri|Evil Virus|
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Subject: Re: [SAGuns4Sale] Digest Number 207
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:42:28 +0200

Yup it is a hoax, but if the more computer literate want a good
laugh, try this http://www.cs.arizona.edu/~mohan/hacker.htm

Yes, there aren't any guns mentioned, and it's totally off-topic.
Cheers
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| 470|470|2006-06-05 07:48:32|Doug (The IT Guy)|Savage 22|
Hi,

This was received via the LARA website

Regards

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| 472|471|2006-06-14 11:34:20|meyerri|Re: FW: Most Outrageous iBurst Special Yet!|
Why are you spamming us, Doug?

Was it just a brainfart?


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| 473|473|2006-06-21 07:43:18|Doug (The IT Guy)|Fw: Request for Submission: Firearms Control Amendment Bill [B12-20|
| 474|474|2006-06-29 08:48:57|A Holmes|sale of AK's|
I have two AKs for sale.

One is a cut away, fully mechanically functional but obviously cannot be fired. No licence required. Not sure of the exact factory of origin but it has East German MPiK furniture and it is an AKM (stamped receiver) , was originally 7,62x39. R5000

The other is somewhat special, also 7,62x39, it is an export version of the AK 100/102/103 series (black furniture, new style folding stock, integral side mount etc). It was a personal gift from Kalashnikov himself and has his autograph engraved into the stock. By export version I mean they had to do a couple of minor mods to export it on a civilian permit instead of getting a "weapon of war" export permit from Russia. The mods are basically, a semi auto sear fitted, simplified muzzle break and the markings on the rear sight are different. Still new in the box, never been fired or licensed. It is one of 4 rifles he presented to his hosts here after visiting SA. Not sure what the value really is but will listen to offers from about R20,000

Alex Holmes
| 475|475|2006-07-28 08:56:51|Barry|Accessories|
Not exactly guns, but branded name sunglasses are available at ecxeptional prices in Bruma today and tomorrow.
If you are interested, mail me for the info.
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| 476|476|2007-01-31 14:40:08|Wouter|Looking for Astras, LLamas and Stars|
Hi all

In theory, I'm collecting Spanish handguns. And in theory, I should be able
to get licences for these.

So, if you have any Spanish handguns lying around that you've been thinking
of maybe not relicencing, please let me know.

Same goes for leverguns :-)

Oh, and if someone has a BAR? (Yea, right)

W
| 477|477|2007-02-25 20:27:39|hilton|(no subject)|
Hi,

How do I get onto GOSA???

I've lost the thread..

What has happened to that arch activist Peter Moss??
Hilton.



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| 478|478|2007-02-26 19:18:05|Peter Moss|Re: Digest Number 215|
http://www.gunownerssa.org/

You are not alone SALGO?

SALGO-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Regards
Peter



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| 479|479|2007-04-10 11:53:25|A Holmes|FN HP mags|
Anyone have any use for FN HP mags? I have 5 for sale, used but in good condition R150 for the lot?

Also fired cases in .45 acp, .38 spl, .357 mag and some in .30-06 , .270 and .30 M1


Alex
| 480|480|2007-04-24 21:47:42|Lance Ridge|243 ammo|
125 rounds of PMP .243 100gr Ammo for sale or swop for .222 ammo.
Contact Thomas on 083 777 9048.
| 481|481|2007-09-21 11:19:07|hilton|LUGER|
Hi all,

Does anyone have a REAL value on this item? And where would we find a buyer?

.

LUGER

LONG BARRELL

DATE STAMP 1917

SERIAL No 3036

All matching except slide mechanism cover (No 73)

SNAIL DRUM MAGAZINE

WOODEN CLIP ON STOCK

NORMAL MAGAZINE X2

LEATHER HOLSTER

LOADING TOOL

RAMROD / CLEANING TOOL

.

Thanks

Hilton.





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| 482|481|2007-09-21 11:29:03|Wouter|Re: LUGER|
At 11:17 2007-09-21 +0200, you wrote:
Worth what you can get for it.

Having said that, I'd guess at least in the 15-20k range?

Classic Arms are the people to speak to, both for a valuation and to sell
(via one of their auctions).

W
| 483|481|2007-09-25 09:50:39|Richard Boothroyd|Re: LUGER|
Don't have enough knowlege of collectibles to say much. Except that a long
barrel model ( artillery model ? ) in good condition with all those extras
would be worth something I'd have thought. Your best bet for a good price
would probably be Holt's of London via Suburban Guns in Cape Town. I have
two fairly recent catalogues. I'll dig them out to see if there are
examples of prices got for Lugers. Just give me a day or two.

Dick

| 484|481|2007-09-25 10:53:58|hilton|Re: LUGER|
Thanks for that!

I'll stand by.

Hilton.



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Behalf Of Richard Boothroyd
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:32 PM
To: SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SAGuns4Sale] LUGER



Don't have enough knowlege of collectibles to say much. Except that a long
barrel model ( artillery model ? ) in good condition with all those extras
would be worth something I'd have thought. Your best bet for a good price
would probably be Holt's of London via Suburban Guns in Cape Town. I have
two fairly recent catalogues. I'll dig them out to see if there are
examples of prices got for Lugers. Just give me a day or two.

Dick

| 485|481|2007-09-25 16:01:45|Peter Moss|LUGER|
Dick, Hilton

Essentially the value of any socalled collectable has a number
of variables attached, not least of all is finding a willing
buyer.

"Lugers" PO8's were made by a number of companies for various
contracts, markings and use. Some were made in large batches
others not. In total some 2 million were made. So they are not
exactly uncommon.

From the memory the most common LPO8 is the 1917 DWM ~137,000.
Look at the toggle.

How much is it worth? Huh! how long is piece of string?

What condition from mint = unfired, unused and in exact original
condition to reworked reblued made from random parts, down to a
rusted piece of scrap. Original condition is unmarked,
unscratched, 100% original finish, no wear, no stains, no pits,
no barrel wear - nothing but fired other than proof rounds and
seen very little use.

The percent blue is usually given. ie good some holster wear
finish 95%. Left scale dented

Issued -

The value will depend on condition, matching numbers on all
major parts and matching magazines and the condition of each.

It is rare to find matching std magazines but it will not
increase the value by that much.

Holster and wooden stock condition + tools include std mag
loading tool and cleaning rod.

Std mag pouch, holds two

Sight adjust tool.

Not issued with firearm

Snail drum magazine - fairly rare, may be worth more than the
gun who knows. Condition will determine exact value. Number
will not match, not issued with firearm.

Snail drum mag loading tool only one issued per box - rare.
and if you ever try to load one of these mags to full capacity
you will really need one. Winding the spring back helps but...

Snail drum canvass bag/pouch - yeah I want one - very rare.

Without more information or examination nobody on this earth can
give a decently close value.

You can look at Classic arms old sales and prices which may
help. It may also help to split issued from not issued stuff
depending on demand for snail drums.

As Wouter said it is only worth what a collector is willing to
pay. The more unique, the more complete, the more original
condition will determine that.

Peter
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Where is the list?

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legally privileged.
| 486|481|2007-09-30 13:40:41|Richard Boothroyd|Re: LUGER|
Hi Hilton,

I have two Holt's catalogues I got because of routing a few guns to Holt's
via Suburban Guns in Cape Town. They would otherwise have been sacrificed
to SAPS and probably destroyed. The owners all get a catalogue from Holts
and two of them gave them to me.

One is for the auction of June 2004, the other March 2006. Only the latter
has a Luger and only one. It is an artillery model. The description reads

DWM 9mm PO8 1914 Military Pattern Artillery Luger self loading pistol,
serial No 7902 dated 1917, 8 inch barrel, some original blued finish,
magazine with wooden base ( some wear and patches of surface corrosion
to metal parts, one grip retaining screw missing ) with stock-board with
leather holster ( flap an old replacement ).

Judging from the ( small ) photo the gun seems to be in respectable if less
than perfect condition. Some slight pitting is visible on the barrel and
bright spots are visible where the bluing is worn off. But it looks quite
decent otherwise. The flap holster looks well used but complete and intact,
no damage. It fetched 730 pounds sterling. That would be about R 10 000.

Although Lugers are not rare, even artillery models, it is a little
surprising that only one appears in this catalogue compared with eight
broomhandle mausers.

Judging from the C96 Mausers, there is a big variation in price. The two
factors seem, not surprisingly, to be condition and rarity. Seven of the
eight sold. The eighth had the most blue wear and pitting. I suspect the
best offer was below reserve. The seven others varied from 360 to 1800
pounds. The 360 pound example has some pitting and a lot of blue wear.
Three of them sold for 420, 850 and 1600 pounds despite being of similar
condition. The 1600 example was made for and sold by Westley Richards, so
maybe it is rare.

An apparently mint example fetched 1100, while another good but not quite as
good fetched 1300. The latter had both the wood holster/stock and leather
holster so maybe that's what made it more valuable.

The one that fetched 1800 pounds was good but had some blue wear. What made
it worth so much was that it is a Bolo model with four inch barrel.

The 730 got for the Artillery Luger puts it pretty much in the same bracket
as the Mausers given it's condition. On that basis, a mint or near mint
example might fetch upwards of 1000 pounds. This is a limited "survey" but
I hope it gives you some idea. I suggest you send some good pics to Claude
at Suburban Guns for an opinion. As far as I can tell, in the wake of the
FCA, good examples fetch a better price in the UK where collecting seems to
be thriving despite the otherwise anti gun attitude in the UK.

Regards

Dick


































| 487|487|2007-09-30 13:41:17|Richard Meyer|Looking for Leon Stander|
Sorry to post to both lists, but I need to get hold of Leon Stander.

Leon, please contact me off-list - there is something you should know.

Thanks for the forbearance, guys.

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| 488|481|2007-09-30 13:42:14|Du Toit Lambrechts|Re: LUGER|
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-----Original Message-----
From: SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of hilton
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:18
To: saguns4sale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SAGuns4Sale] LUGER


Hi all,

Does anyone have a REAL value on this item? And where would we find a
buyer?

.

LUGER

LONG BARRELL

DATE STAMP 1917

SERIAL No 3036

All matching except slide mechanism cover (No 73)

SNAIL DRUM MAGAZINE

WOODEN CLIP ON STOCK

NORMAL MAGAZINE X2

LEATHER HOLSTER

LOADING TOOL

RAMROD / CLEANING TOOL

.

Thanks

Hilton.

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| 489|481|2007-09-30 19:56:07|Wouter|Re: LUGER|
Hi Richard and all

At the last Classic Arms auction the "cone hammer" broomhandles fetched
around R15-R18K I seem to recall.

So local collecting does seem to be alive, for some models.

W
| 490|490|2007-12-01 13:16:01|Wouter|38 Special brass / reloading kit|
Anyone looking for 38 Special brass? I have 200 of this / 50 of that / etc
/ sorted by headstamp.

I also have a new-in-box Lee Challenger press kit (everything you need to
reload except the dies) -- it does not have a scale, the idea is that you
use the scoop provided with the dies -- but I also have a Lee Safety Scale.

Trade / offers / whatever.

W
| 491|491|2007-12-19 11:17:04|Barry|Bid or Buy|
Black Powder revolver available at

http://www.bidorbuy.co.za/jsp/item/Item.jsp?Trade_TradeId=6446083

Keep yer powder dry.
Barry
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| 492|492|2008-02-18 10:52:21|Bill Bartholomew|sales|
I have the following for sale:

1. Chrony Master: includes printer, etc. Like new: R1500 plus courier
charges

2. Lee Pro 1000 Turret Press complete for 40 S&W: R1500 plus courier
charges

3. Lee Scale: R 200

4. 40 S&W unprimed (once used) cases. Mostly Remingtons. About 4000
doppies: what offers?

5. 300 X 375 H&H Winchester brass, new, un-primed: R 6-00 each

6. .375 H&H Lee dies: what offers?

7. 30/06 Lee dies: what offers?

8. Case Tumbler with medium: R800

9. Much more





Regards

Bill



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| 493|493|2008-02-18 10:56:38|Bill Bartholomew|(no subject)|
I have a Hornady Model 366, Auto (8 station) progressive 12 gauge loader for
sale: R5000. It is like new, and has a number of spares included.

14 x 5kg No 8 Lead Shot @ R20/kg

500 to 1000 primed 12gge shell cases (plastic, made in France for SP).





Regards

Bill



Fax:+27866088411

Cel: +27844664411

email: bill@...









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| 494|494|2008-03-09 21:00:06|Richard Boothroyd|Used Equipment|
I might, and I stress might, be getting involved in the purchase and sale of used equipment. As dealers become fewer and thus thinly spread, equipment of all sorts will become harder to find for two reasons. First, fewer dealers. Second, smaller market will mean that the few remaining dealers will carry less stock. It will also mean more use of mail order. At this stage I am not doing it for my own profit, I'm trying to assist a struggling dealer who is one of the good guys well worth supporting. He has for years carried not only used firearms but also loading equipment and other stuff. Internet will be a vital tool, but he has not yet set it up. Until he can, I'm doing it for him. I plan to offer a catalogue of items as a Word attachment for those who want it, and to announce it's availablity on these three forums say once a week to keep it on the radar screen. It will not be published, only announced for those who want the catalog which will then be sent off list.

Two of these forums are intended for this purpose. SALGO is not, although it allows advertising as long as it is not excessive. I will discuss it with SALGO's moderator.

In the meantime I have two rifles available. First, a CZ 600ZKK in very good order. I have inspected it but not closely. The metalwork seems 100% OK, no dings or scratches. The stock has a minor ding and one or two minor scratches, nothing that can't easily be fixed and practically invisible. The rifle is as good as my Sako which I have cared for and which is practically mint. Calibre 7x57. The 7x57 is considered a bit underpowered these days, but only because factory ammo is loaded to low pressure for safety in the many old rifles still around. Handloaded it is a good calibre. Even the factory loads are plenty adequate for Impala size game at moderate range. It has a Lynx 4x40 scope in Lynx bases and rings. Asking R2500. Even these days that is so cheap it's a gift, a new scope and mounts would be nearly that much and a new CZ would be about 10K. Obviously transport costs would be added if it goes any distance outside greater Cape Town. As no dealer actually buys firearms these days the deal will be owner to buyer. The dealer gets a commission, which is very modest.

The second rifle is a Swedish Husqvarna in 30-06. I haven't seen that one yet but I am told it is in a similar good condition to the CZ. Also has a scope but I don't know which. Also R2500 and also a gift at that price.

Naturally it is not easy to buy a rifle sight unseen. If anyone is interested I will be glad to photograph both rifles and write a detailed report of every detail and every mark.
Test firing is a bit more difficult and not practical.

Dick Boothroyd

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| 495|495|2008-03-14 15:50:24|Thomas Eastes|Lead shot wanted|
Looking for lead shot. All sizes. Reasonable prices. preferably in the CPT area.

Thomas F Eastes
Tel: 021 940 5233
Fax: 021 917-3234
Cell: 084 761 1202
Email: teastes@...




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| 496|496|2008-03-20 08:30:23|blign_ch|Guns for sale:|
Morning all,

Musgrave Mod 80 Rifle for sale:
Cal: .243
Use: Springbuck hunts years back
Scope: Nikko Stirling Gold Crown 4 x 40 (wide angle)
Extra's: Laser sigthing tool & cleaning kit

Webley Revolver for sale:
Cal: .38
Markings: Barrel = BMP .38 .767" 3.5Tons
Frame: Crossed sword with unreadable letter work
Mk4 .38 War Finish
Trigger guard: N16W
Grip: Webley

Pls phone Mr. Du Plooy in Pretoria on 082-496-2876 and make an offer.

Rgds,
Christo B.
| 497|497|2008-04-11 13:23:31|Karel Kruger|Fw: For Sale|
For Sale:

AMMO

3 x Boxes 30-06 Norma 180 gn Plastic Tip Dual core (60) @ R280-00 each
2 x Boxes 30-06 Norma 200 gn Vulkan ( 40) @ R 300-00 each
1 x Box 30-06 PMP 168 gn Soft point (20) @ R200-00 each
125 x Federal 30-06 180 gn Soft point @ R10-00 each

Bullets

22 Cal:
2 x Speer 52 gn HPBT @ R 200 each

.243/ 6 mm:
6 x Sierra 85 gn Varminter @ R 250-00 each
5 x Speer 100 gn SPTBT @ R 250-00 each
3 x Speer 105 gn SPT @ R 250-00 each

38 / 357 Cal:
2 x Sierra 140 gn JHC @ R 250 -00 each
1 x Sierra 170 gn JHC @ R 250 -00 each
2 x Sierra 180 gn FPJ @ R 250-00 each
12 x PMP 158 gn SJHP @ R 220 -00 each


Karel Kruger
011 867 2402
083 458 4480

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| 498|498|2008-06-30 14:51:55|Barry|CZ75|
Available in JHB.
Contact off-forum please.




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| 499|499|2008-07-10 12:39:51|Hilton|(no subject)|
Test

Hilton



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| 500|500|2008-07-23 11:23:36|Bill Bartholomew|Must Sell|
I am retiring and need to sell all items that will not fit my new abode.

The following items are offered for sale from Barkly West NC:

. Lee Pro 1000 presses (3 off) 45acp, 44 mag, 40 S&W
R500 EA OR NEAREST CASH

. Lubrisizer (Lyman) with 44mag, 45acp, sizing dies includes bullet
metal ?kgs R150 or nearest

. Lee Lead melting pot + Lee bullet molds 44, 45acp, 45 colt
R200 or nearest

. Lyman Pro series scale inc funnel
R100 or nearest

. Gamma Master Chrony with digital printer R500 or nearest

. Simplex Turret press (6 stations)
R200 or nearest

. Lee dies: 30/06; 375; 375 collet
R100 ea or nearest

. Case Tumbler (Lyman with moly bin) R200 or
nearest

. Speed Timer 3000 (non rf)
R500 or nearest

All above ex Barkly West, i.e. you fetch or pay for courier.

Come & get before I throw them out!!!



In addition:

. Winchester Sporting Shotgun with variable chokes. Excellent
condition, R10,000-00 onco (Manu by FN)

. Ruger BlackHawk Single action Revolver 45 Colt with 45acp cylinder
(as new) R1000



An offer can take the lot. Everything in excellent condition.



Bill

Tel: +27535311064

Fax:+27866088411

Cel: +27844664411

email: bill@...





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| 501|501|2008-08-25 11:15:56|hilton|for sale.|
Hi All,

These are available.

Hilton.



Styer M. .65 ,excellent condition( about 50years old) with scope plus R100
rounds of ammo.



M1 30, ex US army ex Italy 1944,good condition plus about 50 rounds ammo.



Browning Shotgun 12 Bore Semi Auto( problem??).

( about 50 years old)..like new





chrisparr@...

0824534927

0317647389



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| 502|502|2008-11-26 10:19:39|blign_ch|For Sale:|
Morning all,

Colleague at work is getting rid of a Taurus snubbie - 5 shot, 38Spl
calibre. In good nick, hardly used.

If interested, contact Mike Styer on 083-212-4647 or email:
styer_m@...

Rgds,
Christo B.
| 503|503|2008-12-09 10:41:16|grcjos001|Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Hi, Joshua Gericke here from cape town looking to buy a CZ75 either
full size, or compact, or (in the unlikely event that I find one) a
RAMI. Does anyone have anything to offer me?

Thanks.
| 504|503|2008-12-10 12:17:08|Richard Boothroyd|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Never heard of RAMI. As we all know, the FCA has made all firearms
worthless or nearly so. And because of the four gun limit for non-dedicated
shooters a lot of guns are being disposed of. But one of the interesting
things is how few quality service pistols are available second hand. I
define service pistols as those primarily designed for and aimed at the
military and police market. That would include most pistols that we would
consider serious defense pistols, like Glock, HK, CZ75, Sig-Sauer and
similar weapons. Not too many of those are found on the second hand market
because those who buy them take self defense seriously and do not sell them.

But a few do appear. Not long ago Strand Guns had a Sig-Sauer P220 in 45ACP
for R2200. You might try Suburban Guns. I saw a few nice used guns
there a while back. Look around and don't be in a hurry. There are guys
with more than four guns who don't want to go dedicated and who will let a
nice gun go to a good home for next to nothing. I don't like the idea of
anyone being forced to part with a good gun for next to nothing but that's
my advice.

The CZ75 is a good gun. The compact model is preferred as a carry piece
but they seem to be quite rare and their owners even less inclined to part
with them.

Dick



| 505|503|2008-12-11 10:55:25|grcjos001|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Hi Dick,

Suprisingly, the CZ75 is the gun the I have found the most of. I have
found them for prices ranging from R6000 (at suburban) to about R2000
at other places (that will remain unnamed on a public blog... at
least until Ive bought the next one that comes in at that price!).
Gun shops are buying these guns for less than R400 a piece. One gun
shop gave my details, and one other guys details, to someone who
wanted R500. The shop considered that far too much! Clearly, he phone
the other guy first... I would have snapped that up faster than a
free holiday. That's the sort of deal I'm looking for, being a
student and all.

The rami is basically a subcompact version of the CZ75. It is THE
carry gun in my opinion. It has the super skinny slide of all the
CZ75s, making it incredibly comfortable. It also has the reliability
and accuracy reputation of its bigger brothers. It won the Guns and
Ammo (I think!) Gun of the Year award a couple of years ago.

Unfortunatly, compacts are as rare as hens teeth, and ramis seem to
be non-existant in SA.
| 506|503|2008-12-11 11:14:30|Wouter|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Yes, because they have to keep it on their shelf for who knows how long,
and sell it at a profit. If they already have two or three on the shelf,
even free can be too much.

I've dealt with some really nice dealers. The Pro-Sport in Standerton, for
example, took in two guns and took it off the guys licence. At the time I'd
already arranged to buy those guns from him for a few hundred each, but he
couldn't get hold of me and wanted to get the guns off his name.

When I went there, they told me to speak to the original owner, pay him
what we'd agreed, and they made out the paperwork.

So they're storing the guns, and they mailed me the paperwork, and they're
not asking any money at all.

So phone I think the dude's name is Pierre at the Pro-Sport in Standerton,
hey, Google tells me they have a website http://www.prosport.co.za/

W
| 507|503|2008-12-12 10:09:37|grcjos001|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Don't get me wrong, I don't blame the dealers at all. They have a raw
deal if anyone does. I've gotten to know a few, and they're all good
honest folks, eager to help, for profit or no, and most are struggling
just to keep head out. They really got the butt end of the FCA.
| 508|503|2008-12-12 10:09:45|grcjos001|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Hey Lance, If you see this, please try to sort your email out or post
an alternative address. I've been trying to mail you, but they keep
getting returned.
Thanks again,
Josh.
| 509|503|2008-12-15 11:48:26|siemens nixdorf|I'm looking for a Browning Hi-Power|
Hi folks,
I've been offered one for R2500.00 on a private sale and seem to think the price is a tad on the high side, anybody else have any leads?

Thanks.


SN.





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| 510|503|2008-12-17 10:03:10|Richard Boothroyd|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
"Hi, Joshua Gericke here from cape town looking to buy a CZ75 either
full size, or compact, or (in the unlikely event that I find one) a
RAMI. Does anyone have anything to offer me? "

Hi Joshua,

Following my first (unhelpful) reply, I visited my friend Valdor Uren owner
of Strand Guns today. He has a used CZ75 full size model. It is one of
those that was finished with baked enamel which is worn off at the muzzle
and other places from holster wear. I have in the past reblued one of
those or to be more accurate stripped off the enamel and blued it. Some
guns are fired little but carried a lot and in the normal course of things
the blue gets rubbed off and they pick up other little dings and scratches,
but they are just cosmetic. I don't know how good the gun is mechanically
but it takes a lot of shooting to wear a CZ75. He is looking for somewhere
over R2000 for it. I have no idea whether that is reasonable in this market
but it is a fraction of the price of a new one.

More interesting to me is the Sig Sauer P220 in 45ACP for which he wants the
same money as the CZ. I have the same gun in 9mmP. Next year I will have
had it thirty years. It is well used and carried daily and functions as
flawlessly as the day I bought it. So I am a big fan of Sig.

I note that you are looking particularly for a CZ75 but you did not say what
you intend to use it for. If it is personal defense with some recreational
and practice shooting thrown in, it would have made more sense if you had
said any good quality sevice pistol. The CZ is good but not better than
Sig. In fact Sig reliability is legendary, and I reckon it is the most
functionally reliable and hassle free pistol ever made. Some US police
departments have ditched their Glocks and replaced with Sigs for that
reason. It is rather bulky for carry in hot weather but no more than a full
size CZ75 and I have developed ways of carrying concealed wearing only a
shirt and slacks. Being alloy framed it is quite light for its size. If
you would like to shoot one call me and we can set up a shoot at my range at
Somerset West.

Valdor's Sig also has some holster wear and a few minor marks. I take the
view that used guns are like used cars. You can get a very good used car
five years old but you are not likely to find one without any marks of use.
I'm also not sure whether it has a spare mag, you'll have to ask Valdor. I
would also be dishonest if I did not say that Sig mags are hard to get if at
all, but Suburban Guns might be able to get them at a price. A new Sig is
well over 10K probably at least R15K.

At the very least you would do yourself a favour by keeping an open mind and
checking out all the options. You never know what you might find.

Regards

Dick Boothroyd
| 511|503|2008-12-17 10:04:40|Thomas Eastes|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Hi Joshua



I have access to a FN Browning 9mm Para. This is coming out of an estate
and is going to be a good buy.

I also know of someone that is looking to sell a 1911 Colt Commander.
That or hand-in.

I am in Cape Town as well and you are welcome to call me on the number
below. I have also never heard of a RAMI.

Best Regards
Thomas F. Eastes
*+27 (0) 84-761-1202
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From: SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Richard Boothroyd
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:40 PM
To: SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SAGuns4Sale] Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami



Never heard of RAMI. As we all know, the FCA has made all firearms
worthless or nearly so. And because of the four gun limit for
non-dedicated
shooters a lot of guns are being disposed of. But one of the interesting
things is how few quality service pistols are available second hand. I
define service pistols as those primarily designed for and aimed at the
military and police market. That would include most pistols that we
would
consider serious defense pistols, like Glock, HK, CZ75, Sig-Sauer and
similar weapons. Not too many of those are found on the second hand
market
because those who buy them take self defense seriously and do not sell
them.

But a few do appear. Not long ago Strand Guns had a Sig-Sauer P220 in
45ACP
for R2200. You might try Suburban Guns. I saw a few nice used guns
there a while back. Look around and don't be in a hurry. There are guys
with more than four guns who don't want to go dedicated and who will let
a
nice gun go to a good home for next to nothing. I don't like the idea of
anyone being forced to part with a good gun for next to nothing but
that's
my advice.

The CZ75 is a good gun. The compact model is preferred as a carry piece
but they seem to be quite rare and their owners even less inclined to
part
with them.

Dick

| 512|503|2008-12-19 07:25:20|blign_ch|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Thomas & All,

I checked the CZ website (link: http://www.cz-usa.com) and they do
list the CZ 2075 RAMI under the compact section (refer to copied
detail below). There is also a new addition to the standard class
of the CZ75 stable called the CZ75 SP-01 Phantom. (refer copied
details from the site below).

Now you can say you have heard and read about them!

Rgds,
Christo B.
************************************

A sub-compact semi-automatic CZ 2075 RAMI. CZ 2075 RAMI features:
CZ 75 Quality and Reliability
6.5" long x 4.7" high x 1.25" wide
3" barrel
Weighs less than 25 ounces
SA/DA action
Manual safety
Low profile, snag-free sights
10+1 in 9mm, 8+1 in .40 S&W

Product specifications
9 mm Luger, black polycoat (1-10RD + 1 14RD MAG) .40 S&W, black
polycoat

Price (MSRP) US$ 635.00
Product number (SKU) 01750

Ammunition
Ammo 9 mm LUGER
Magazine capacity 14
Rate of twist 1:9.7 in

Dimensions
Weight 1.6 lbs
Overall Length 6.6 in
Barrel Length 3 in
Height 4.7 in
Width 1.3 in

Features
Frame light alloy
Grips rubber
Trigger mech. SA/DA
Sights fixed
Safety elements, safety Manual Safety, Safety Stop on Hammer, Firing
Pin Safety

************************************

The CZ 75 SP-01 PHANTOM is the newest member in the CZ 75 line of
handguns. The SP-01 Phantom has a polymer frame with accessory rail,
and a forged steel slide with a weight saving scalloped profile. Two
Interchangeable grip inserts are included with the Phantom to
accommodate users with different sized hands.


Product specifications

Price (MSRP) US$ 695.00
Product number (SKU) 91158

Ammunition
Ammo 9mm
Magazine capacity 19
Rate of twist 1:9.7 in

Dimensions
Weight 1.8 lbs
Overall Length 8.1 in
Barrel Length 4.7 in
Height 5.8 in
Width 1.5 in

Features
Frame black polymer
Grips intechangeable
Trigger mech. SA/DA
Sights fixed
Safety elements, safety Decocking Lever, Firing Pin Safety

--- In SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas Eastes" I have also never heard of a RAMI.
| 513|503|2008-12-19 10:18:53|grcjos001|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Thanks for the reply. I looked for sigs for a while, as I know just how
legendary their performance is. The one thing that put me off was the
thick slide. I find the CZ75 full size MUCH more comfortable to carry
than even a glock 26. I tried on one of each for camparison's sake in
an IWB. I can't even imagine trying to carry something so thick on a
daily basis. The sig slide, from what I've heard is thicker than the
glock slide in general. Any light to shed on this being an owner of
one?

Intended use is for regular carry, and some light IDPA shooting thrown
in. I work for Cape Town Nature Conservation, and a disturbingly high
percentage of my colleages have been shot at while on the job. About
half of them carry pistols.

Anyway, all that asside, I've found a pistol. A CZ75 on a private sale
for considerably less than that sig :)

Cheers!
| 514|503|2008-12-19 22:56:20|Richard Boothroyd|Re: I'm looking for a Browning Hi-Power|
Not being in the trade or keeping a close eye on prices I can only offer a gut feel opinion. I know of recent sales of items like CZ75 at R2000 or less and a King Cobra for under R2000. I'd say R2000 is max.

Dick

| 515|503|2008-12-22 10:59:18|Richard Boothroyd|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
Thanks for the reply. I looked for sigs for a while, as I know just how
legendary their performance is. The one thing that put me off was the
thick slide. I find the CZ75 full size MUCH more comfortable to carry
than even a glock 26. I tried on one of each for camparison's sake in
an IWB. I can't even imagine trying to carry something so thick on a
daily basis. The sig slide, from what I've heard is thicker than the
glock slide in general. Any light to shed on this being an owner of
one?

I'm glad you found what you wanted. Nor am I surprised that you got it for
under 2K in this market in which some owners would rather give them away to
another citizen that hand them to SAPS. It is an entirely reasonable point
of view and I would do the same.

I can't comment on the relative comfort or otherwise of different weapons as
I have not tried them all. I am surprised that the CZ75 would be
significantly different but if that's what you found there is no argument
and your choice is therefore the right one. The Sig slide is quite thick,
about 25mm compared with 22mm for the Colt 1911. I have not measured a
Glock slide but from simple observation the Glock slide is slimmer. The
Sig is certainly a military/police pistol not designed with concealed
civilian carry in mind. I found it anything but comfortable with an inside
waistband holster at first. But, being stuck with it and being very happy
with it otherwise I was forced to persevere, and have succeeded to a
reasonable if not perfect extent.

There is nothing new or unique about my method. To start with I am a
surveyor and normally wear those "bush jacket" half jackets because the many
pockets are so useful for all the bits and pieces I carry for work. That
naturally aids concealment. Nonetheless I am often shirt and slacks only
in hot weather. It is not possible to completely conceal such a bulky gun
from those who are looking for it or who are experienced in spotting
concealed weapons. My aim is to make it more or less invisible to the
average citizen. That is best described as "invisible in plain sight" and
is based on the principle that most people don't notice anything that is not
either overtly obvious or that is shoved in their faces.

I wear slacks that are a generous fit and don't show any "pull" from the gun
holstered inside the waistband. Then I wear loose ( baggy ) shirts. If
the tail of the shirt if pulled over the grip and the shirt worn in what the
ladies call "blouson" style all that can be seen is the belt clip and a
slight bulge in the shirt. If the trousers and shirt are dark coloured it
helps, and it helps further if they are a similar colour because the
irregularity where the shirt is pulled over the grip is less obvious because
the similar colour of trousers and shirt blurrs the interface between them.

I carry daily like this, and as far as I can tell by watching people in
shopping malls it is never noticed. I even attend meetings with clients
who have expressed a desire to have no guns on their premises and it has not
yet been picked up. Careful choice of slacks and belts and the tension of
the latter has reduced discomfort to the point at which I carry all day
without problem. I am 1.80m tall, 75kg and quite slim. Loose clothes on
my tall slim frame help concealment. It might not work so well for other
body types. A smaller gun like a Walther PPK would naturally conceal much
more easily.

This method of carry is sufficiently well concealed for the purpose but
would not be adequate for a shall we say a gun that does not comply with
certain formalities or where complete concealment is essential. That's a
whole other ball game. The best method is belly band which is perfectly
comfortable in cool weather but not so comfortable in hot weather.

Intended use is for regular carry, and some light IDPA shooting thrown
in. I work for Cape Town Nature Conservation, and a disturbingly high
percentage of my colleages have been shot at while on the job. About
half of them carry pistols.

That is particularly interesting in view of the attacks on Nature
Conservation turf and the prohibition of carry for civilians. I am
completely on your side in arming yourself but not at all amused that I
can't be armed on the same turf.

Dick
| 516|503|2009-01-03 19:27:17|Joshua Gericke|Re: Wanted: CZ75 , Compact or full size, or Rami|
It disturbs me too, Dick. I'd far rather you be armed...

| 517|517|2009-03-03 08:27:42|Barry|Vote on IOL survey|
www.iol.co.za


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| 518|517|2009-03-03 10:48:21|Tyron Herman|Re: Vote on IOL survey|
That poll is extremely biased. 1 option against and 3 for... so all our
votes get split compared to their 1.


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Director: MAS (Pty) Ltd.

Cell: 083 469 9869
Fax: 0866 503 888


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| 519|517|2009-03-03 10:57:42|Barry|Re: Vote on IOL survey|
Polls usually are, but use the presented opportunities. Doing nothing is worse.


| 520|520|2009-03-28 11:03:35|grcjos001|Service Pistol|
Hi all, It's me again. I'm looking for a service pistol. And I'm getting desparate. I'm spending my days chasing and assisting in the arrest of poachers, armed robbers and others, with nothing but pepper spray in my pocket. I NEED a firearm! If anyone out there is looking to sell a decent service-type pistol, please let me know. My preference is for a CZ 75, but others (glocks, sigs, etc) will also be considered.

Kind regards,

Josh
| 521|520|2009-03-30 07:53:04|Richard Boothroyd|Re: Service Pistol|
Hi Josh,

Just seen your message. Am running round like a crazy guy this morning so
this will be brief. Depends where you are. I know of two CZ75s for sale
in Somerset West and Strand. One used but good the other brand new ( fired
ten rounds ). A third will probably be available within days, a gun known
to me and in new condition. Will get back to you with more detail later
today.

Dick

| 522|520|2009-03-30 08:01:45|Wouter|Garand|
Anyone know of a Garand looking for a good home? Cape Town area preferred
but not essential.

W
| 523|520|2009-03-30 19:37:50|Richard Boothroyd|Re: Service Pistol|
Right, Josh, here we go.

The owners of Allied Arms in Somerset West and Strand Guns are my friends
but I have no financial interest in either, nor do I get anything out of
facilitating a sale. It is just a matter of mutual cooperation, if I can
help a friend I will do so. Valdor Uren, owner of Strand Guns, operates
single handedly on a shoestring. He has no website yet because he will
have to do it himself and has not yet gotten through that learning curve.
So if I can help him to sell through places like SAGuns4sale I will do so.
He is also the straightest guy you will ever meet and worth doing business
with.

Allied Arms has an early model CZ75 with the baked on paint finish. The
owner said he had fired it but not much. It is brand spanking new in its
original box and looks as if it has not been fired at all. I know that
because I examined it last week. A few years back I did the gunsmithing
work for Allied Arms on a part time basis. Often on a Saturday morning you
will find me and a couple of mates drinking lousy coffee and talking guns at
Allied Arms. Its my idea of rest and recreation. You can contact them at
021 852 3216.

Strand Guns has a CZ75 handed to him by one of our local club members. It
was his wife's. I was present when they handed it over. They shot it
regularly on the range, so it is well used and the finish is worn. Can't
remember whether it is blued or paint finish, blued I think. But, although
the finish is a bit worn from use there are no dings and dents. So it is
used but well cared for. The action is slick and smooth and the gun is
100% OK.

My wife's nephew has had a CZ 75 for several years. He has worked off shore
in the oil industry also for several years, so the gun has not been fired
much. When he first had it he fired it quite regularly at our local range
and I got him started in handloading. So I have fired that gun myself.
But after the first year or two it has seldom been fired because he has been
in SA so little. He is visiting family in SA right now from Singapore, and
told me on Saturday that he will not likely ever live in SA again and plans
to hand the gun to Strand Guns. As far as I know the gun is pretty much in
mint condition but I will be able to confirm that soon. Strand Guns 021
853 7231.

So there you have three good options. I have no idea what the asking
prices will be. Not high in this climate I should think. All the owners
know the realities of the present market. But, if I were buying, I would
be inclined not to screw it down to the minimum, I'd be inclined to offer a
fair price in the circumstances. I'd say between 2000 and 3000. That's
probably a bit higher than a CZ75 could be bought for, but not much higher,
and it still a bargain for that sort of gun. But that's your call and I
have no influence in the matter.

If you are not near Cape Town a gun can be couriered to you.

Dick




| 524|520|2009-03-31 12:52:22|Joshua Gericke|Re: Service Pistol|
Hi Dick,
 
I'm in Noordhoek. Somerset and Strand are by no means too far away. The guns sound great! Could you please furnish me with the relevant contact details? Many thanks.
 
Kind regards,
 
Josh

| 525|520|2009-03-31 13:20:20|Joshua Gericke|Re: Service Pistol|
Sounds like three good options. I'm always keen to support the shops. The government doesn't make it easy for them. I also see that they need to be supported, otherwise we may find ourselves with no place to buy ammo, etc. Price wise, I'm inclined to believe that any half decent CZ is a bargain. That said, I'm on a very tight budget, so 2000 is about the absolute max for me at this stage. I'll be in contact with the guys who's numbers you gave.
 
Many thanks,
 
Joshua Gericke

| 526|526|2009-04-01 07:32:11|Barry|"Should South Africa be gun free?" - vote now|
and make a comment at
http://www.iol.co.za/

Vote on HAVE YOUR SAY on right hand side under red heading
| 527|520|2009-04-02 09:13:56|Richard Boothroyd|Re: Service Pistol|
Hi Josh,

Before you contact anyone, call me at 021 851 2019 or 082 592 8485, or let
me have your private e mail address. Just a minor administrative issue,
nothing serious but I don't want to mention it on a public forum. I will
explain it privately, but it will not affect you in any way, it is on our
side. The three pistols are definitely available.

Regards

Dick


| 528|528|2009-04-08 16:33:47|Hilton|(no subject)|
VEKTOR CP 1 for sale.

14 rounds fired.

R500.00

Marc - 0794742676.





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| 529|529|2009-06-19 08:12:12|Hilton|(no subject)|
Hi all,

Anyone suggest well-priced shotgun ammo in the Centurion area?

Thanks

Hilton.



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| 530|530|2009-06-19 20:32:33|Du Toit Lambrechts|For sale: Atis Semi-Auto Shotgun|
Atis Semi-Auto Shotgun for sale.



I'm not 100% sure, but the owner said it's a 7 shot.



Offers? Jhb area. Owner did not apply for renewal.



Contact me via e-mail - I'll put you in contact with the owner.



Groete!



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nothing - Edmond Burke ***



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Defensive Training Concepts

Alberton, South Africa

Tel: +27 (0)11 907 6112

Cell: +27 (0)82 440 4466

www.DefensiveTraining.co.za



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| 531|531|2009-07-02 09:21:38|Hilton|(no subject)|
Hi anyone have a Thomson Contender frame fro sale?

Hilt.



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| 532|532|2009-09-28 10:37:04|Hilton|Workshop equip|
Hi Dick,

I understand that a rifle barrel won't fit through the lathe [spindle, I
think?]

Is that so?

Hilton.



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| 533|532|2009-09-28 12:03:18|Richard Boothroyd|Re: Workshop equip|
Hi Hilton,

A friend and I have looked at this issue in some depth. I have an older ML7 that has the same basic specs. The spindle bore is 5/8" which is slightly under 16mm. Obviously sporter barrels very a bit but generally they 15.5 - 16 at the muzzle and 20 just ahead of the chamber reinforce. That distance is typically 16 inches. Some light barrels are as little as 15 at the muzzle. Allowing for the No 2 morse taper such a barrel would probably enter the spindle about four or five inches. That might, and note "might" leave the chamber end just far enough from the tailstock to allow chamber reaming. The tailstock will also overhang the end of the bed an inch or so without detriment.

I looked into this not so much for chambering as threading. We planned to get Truvelo barrels unthreaded and short chambered. A short chambered barrel allows very precise headspacing by hand with a tap wrench, but we wanted to control the threading ourselves for a good fit. Most dead centres protrude an inch or so from their sockets thus shortening the distance between centres. I made a No 2 morse taper center for the tailstock dimensioned so that the point protrudes just enough to hold the work. A slim barrel can be held in a chuck with the muzzle a couple of inches into the spindle, so threadinf is possible in those circumstances.

But it is a desperation measure and not satisfactory. Jacques Arzul in Stellenbosch has a long bed Super 7 for that reason. Myford's latest lathe which is an upgraded Super 7 they call the Connoisseur, has a 28mm spindle bore.

Dick




| 534|534|2009-10-16 06:36:28|Hilton|(no subject)|
Hi, anyone know of a RSA action for sale?

Hilton.



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| 535|535|2009-10-16 15:45:19|Hilton|(no subject)|
pmoss@...



I have many hundreds of spare Man and Man/Magnums from 1976 to 2000 at
present and another 20 boxes to pick up. No binders, no annuals.



Email me with your requirements. Most free, you collect or you pay post and
packing. Large quantities i.e. complete year...

make an offer. 1976 and 1977 make an offer.



Any not sold or collected will be donated to Hospice or tossed on the dump.
Act now.



Looking for 3 old size binders.



Peter



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| 536|535|2009-10-17 18:02:15|siemens nixdorf|Re: |
Greetings,
once again I am looking for a Browning Hi-Power, preferably a Mark III but not all that fussy.
Have seen a few for sale but in horrid condition with equally horrendous prices.

Anybody know of some decent weapons at decent prices kindly post details or post to forum.

Kind regards.

Bodie.

bgk007@...



| 537|535|2009-10-18 07:19:34|Wouter|Re: |
There's a target model (longer barrel with what looks like a barrel weight
in front, adjustable sights) at Parow Arms.

W
| 538|535|2009-10-19 23:19:39|siemens nixdorf|Re: |
Thanks - will take a look at it next week.

| 539|534|2009-10-20 22:02:44|Christo Els|Re: |
Evening Hilton
If you are still looking for an action - you can contact me offline
Kind Regards

Christo Els
083 458 8994

From: SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Hilton
Sent: 16 October 2009 06:36 AM
To: saguns4sale@yahoogroups.com; SAtalkguns@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SAGuns4Sale]


Hi, anyone know of a RSA action for sale?

Hilton.

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| 540|540|2010-02-04 15:43:35|Hilton|Article on Haiti in Botswana press (Makes you think)|
A MUST READ.........







Subject: FW: Article on Haiti in Botswana press (Makes you think)





This was written by a black journalist who writes under the name 'Loose
Canon' for the "Sunday Standard', a newspaper in Botswana.



Makes one think?? ?



The following is an article that appeared in The Sunday Standard (Botswana)
of 24.01.10. Loose Canon contributes regularly to newspapers.



Haiti and the blacks!

by Loose Canon



24.01.2010 4:23:39



I hope black people will learn a lesson from the earthquake that hit Haiti.



If they don't learn anything from it, then I throw up my hands in despair
and give up.



Let's start with a few basic facts. Until the earthquake, I never knew there
was a place called Haiti. I was taught geography at school but I cannot
remember a time when the mistress told us about Haiti. It must have been one
of those insignificant countries that we had no reason to know about.



I was fairly good at geography because I knew which country was on which
continent. I also knew many capital cities. But as for Haiti I was clueless.




Now the whole world, including myself, knows about Haiti. I heard news of
the earthquake on the radio. I wondered where Haiti was and what sort of
people lived there.



Finally, when I switched on the television, I was informed that Haiti is an
island out in the Caribbean. Television pictures revealed a place populated
by black people.



From the non-stop television coverage of the earthquake, I got to learn
about the history of Haiti. It was not a good history lesson. It would seem
throughout its existence Haiti has suffered a series of natural calamities.
In the process it has sunk even deeper into poverty and deprivation.



Like all places populated by black people, Haiti is poor. As I watched the
television images, I felt very sorry for that forsaken place.



Then I was hit by a thunderbolt.



I wondered what if there were no white people. You see, when the earthquake
hit Haiti somebody had to come to its assistance. There had to be a rescue
effort. The Haitians who survived of course did their fair bit by digging
out their families from the collapsed ramshackle buildings.



But such was the scale of the devastation and the loss of human life that a
bigger effort was needed. For that sort of work, you need heavy lifting gear
and other sophisticated rescue equipment. I have been following the story of
the earthquake keenly. I can attest to the fact that the first people to
arrive with sniffer dogs were white crews from all over the world.



The aeroplanes that set off carrying water and food were from white
countries. Not only that, the teams of volunteer doctors that I saw on
television comprised white people from across the world. As the sniffer dogs
went into action, the organized rescue teams that carried the stretchers
were made up of white people.



It was announced that a mobile hospital was on the way. It was coming from a
white country. For all intents and purposes in the aftermath of the
earthquake, Haiti was literally swarming with white people. They had all
arrived to save the poor blacks. And the locals were so happy to see them.



Granted there were teams from the Orient such as the Chinese and Japanese.
They too had quickly left their homes and families to go and assist the
stricken people of Haiti.



It is obvious to everyone that this was a devastating earthquake and the
work to repair Haiti and return it to a modicum of normalcy will take many
years. Somebody had to commit funds to this effort. Most of the countries
that have committed funds to aid the recovery are white. In fact, it would
seem the whites are running the show in Haiti.



What is my point?



My point is that ever since Haiti was hit by the earthquake I have not seen
any of my folks from Africa.



Unless the television cameras deliberately ignored them, I never saw a
rescue team from my motherland. Nor did I see any sniffer dogs from down
here.



Heck, I never saw a single traditional doctor busy divining where to find
people buried under the rubble.



Haiti is a land of black people. I would have expected the place to be
swarming with black people helping their own. They were nowhere to be seen.
I never saw any ships from black countries pulling into the harbour.



As the air traffic circled above the small airport, none of the planes was
reported as coming from Africa. The blacks were nowhere to be found. They
issued tepid statements of condolence to the people of Haiti and a few of
the African countries donated small amounts of cash.



Granted that was better than nothing. But I must say I was disappointed. I
was sad because the blacks did not behave as I had expected.



You see, for far too long black countries have been insolent to the point of
being abusive. They have a tendency of insulting the white man and telling
him to keep out of their countries.



In Fact, black people have the temerity to tell white people they can
perfectly survive on their own.



So I had expected the black countries to be consistent and behave true to
form. Why didn't black countries tell white countries to stay away from
Haiti because we were quite capable of leading the rescue effort? We should
have insulted them as we often do at international forums.



There, our countries insult white countries and accuse them of imperialism
and neo colonialism. I was extremely disappointed when our countries failed
to accuse white people of practicing imperialism and neo colonialism by
coming to rescue the blacks of Haiti.



We should have told them we have better sniffer dogs that have been taught
only to rescue black people. We should have told their ships to stay away
and their planes not to overfly Haiti because we were up to the job with our
own ships and aeroplanes.



We should have brought in our traditional food instead of the strange
rations the Haitians are not accustomed to.



I am so disappointed by the black leaders that I hope never to hear them
again bleating about how bad white people are. The earthquake in Haiti was
the most opportune time to show the whites, once and for all, that we don't
need them.



From now onwards, I want black leaders to shut up and never accuse ever
again, white people of being bad. I am sick and tired of big words such as
imperialism and neo colonialism which are unable to rescue victims of the
earthquake.



I hope this is not the last earthquake that hits a black country. I want the
next one to specifically hit the residence of The Evil Self-centred Old Man
in Harare, Zimbabwe who does nothing for his people. Then we will see if he
will abuse the white crew coming to rescue him and his wife Ghastly Grace!





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| 541|541|2010-03-26 10:06:50|Hilton|Moly coating|
I have a N.E.C.O Moly coating kit.

New In Box for sale. R1825.00.



Contact me hiltb@... I'm in the PTA area but can get it to Durbs,
CT, PE, ELS with ease.

Hb.



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| 542|541|2010-03-26 10:32:39|Wouter|38 Special #9 shot|
Hi all

(Also posted to GunSite) I found two boxes of PMP 38 Special #9 shot.
Anybody out there with a use for it? Sale or trade.

W
| 543|543|2010-04-06 09:45:09|Barry|.40 S&W Primed cases|
Greetings,

any offers on
100 PMP primed cases (New)
100 WIN primed cases (Used once)
current owner immigrating.
JHB/Alberton/Germiston area.

Barry

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| 544|543|2010-04-06 22:15:07|Du Toit Lambrechts|Re: .40 S&W Primed cases|
I'm interested. but I've never bought 40 cases.



Contact me - Info below.



*** The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do
nothing - Edmond Burke ***



Du Toit Lambrechts

Defensive Training Concepts

Alberton, South Africa

Tel: +27 (0)11 907 6112

Cell: +27 (0)82 440 4466

www.DefensiveTraining.co.za



From: SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Barry
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:57
To: SAGuns4Sale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [SAGuns4Sale] .40 S&W Primed cases





Greetings,

any offers on
100 PMP primed cases (New)
100 WIN primed cases (Used once)
current owner immigrating.
JHB/Alberton/Germiston area.

Barry

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| 545|545|2010-04-10 16:49:53|Hilton|Firearms lies by police|
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

Dear Everybody

This e-mail is going to everybody who is in my address book. I apologize if
you receive this e-mail and you are not a firearm owner or if you are not
interested in its contents. If you are interested in its contents I appeal
to you to pass on this e-mail to as many people in your address book that
you think might have an interest in its contents.

The South African Police Services appears to have embarked upon a deliberate
campaign to mislead the firearm owning public into believing that the
amnesty which expires on the 11th April 2010 is the last opportunity that
the public has to re-licence firearms for which they hold old Arms and
Ammunition Act licences and which have not been renewed. This is patently
untrue and misleading. In terms of the South African Hunters and Game
Conservation decision all old Arms and Ammunition Act licences in the form
of green cards or those pasted into your identity document are valid
indefinitely. The amnesty is only in respect of firearms that are illegal.
The South African Police Services are telling the public that you have until
the 11th April 2010 to lodge an application for a new licence for your old
Act licence and the feedback that I am receiving is that the public are
being misled into believing that after the 11th April 2010 their old Arms
and Ammunitions Act licences will become invalid and they will be in illegal
possession of that firearm.

Nothing is further from the truth. If you have an old Act licence, it
remains valid. If you have not applied to renew that licence, it still
remains valid. Your possession of the firearm is legal and you can continue
to use the firearm for any lawful purpose. Do not believe the South African
Police Services if they say that your firearm will become illegal, or that
you will be arrested, or that you have to apply for a new licence for that
firearm. This is part of a political strategy to force people to comply
with the Firearms Control Act where it is not necessary, or to force people
to hand in firearms where it is not necessary.

I am collecting a body of evidence to try and show that the SAPS have
embarked upon a deliberate campaign to mislead the public. I have my
suspicions where this misleading information comes from and it is my
intention to hold those officers in the SAPS accountable in law. If people
have handed in firearms for destruction (and in the process have not been
told that they can apply for compensation) as a result of false or
misleading statements by the SAPS, I want to know. You can e-mail this
information to me at African Gun Owners Association at saga@....

The SAPS have already been ordered in principle that they will have to pay
compensation to the public for firearms that have been surrendered. It is
time that firearm owners take a principle stand and do not bow to unlawful
SAPS pressures or actions.

Once again, I request that you circulate this e-mail as widely and quickly
as possible as the amnesty cut-off date is the 11th April 2010 and it is my
desire to ensure that as few as possible people hand in their firearms for
destruction as a result of the misleading and dishonest campaign embarked
upon by the SAPS.

Yours faithfully

Martin Hood
Partner

MJ Hood & Associates
Tel: (011) 234 7520
Fax: (011) 803 7828



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| 546|546|2010-04-18 10:24:32|Du Toit Lambrechts|FW: Fokus TV2 Sunday 18 April 6:30pm|
See message below.

*** The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do
nothing - Edmond Burke ***

Du Toit Lambrechts
Defensive Training Concepts
Alberton, South Africa
Tel: +27 (0)11 907 6112
Cell: +27 (0)82 440 4466
www.DefensiveTraining.co.za

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Subject: Fokus TV2 Sunday 18 April 6:30pm

Dear Network Member

We are short on details but subjects for Sunday's TV 2 Fokus at 6:30pm are
said to include What happens to those who did not take advantage of the
recent firearms amnesty"
and
"How do the police lose millions of Rands worth of guns?"
No other info, suggest watch and phone in if possible.

Date: Sunday 18 April 2010
Time: 18:30
Where: SATV TV 2 - FOKUS

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| 547|547|2010-07-08 14:23:40|Hilton|(no subject)|
Hi I got 2 Remington Mod 700 stocks. Both perfect.

Offers???





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| 548|548|2011-03-07 10:18:09|Barry|LERASA|
Greetings,

for those who don't know and may be interested, the Lee Enfield Rifle Association is active in South Africa.
For anyone interested in shooting these old rifles, please visit

http://www.jmds.za.net/lera/news.php

Barry

Hope I am not infringing on any forum rules.

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