hey Listers
looking for info on model 24s anyone have a good site i should check
out?interested in history,models and prices.
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210|210|2002-12-23 03:39:42|kreamo2000 looking for info on model 24s anyone have a good site i should check
out?interested in history,models and prices.
Can anyone tell me the differences between the modles 59 A,, B,, and
C? They all look pretty much the same. Also any info on getting a new
bolt assembly and trigger for a Mod. 59 A thanks
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211|211|2002-12-29 02:07:06|capnkwig C? They all look pretty much the same. Also any info on getting a new
bolt assembly and trigger for a Mod. 59 A thanks
Hi, my sav 99 action locks up. I can't lower the lever till i've
pulled the trigger and the firing pin has driven forward. Do ya'll
have any suggestions? Capn
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212|212|2003-01-09 19:05:59|Bruce pulled the trigger and the firing pin has driven forward. Do ya'll
have any suggestions? Capn
Okay all, anyone know the age of the Savabe 6, 87 group of rifles? Also
known as the 101.16 rifle, made under JC Higgins, Ranger, and a few others.
All help wou;d be thanked.
Bruce
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213|212|2003-01-09 19:17:59|J.B. BOREN|Re: Rimfire help|known as the 101.16 rifle, made under JC Higgins, Ranger, and a few others.
All help wou;d be thanked.
Bruce
In my experience, it is very difficult to find references for the ages of
the JC Higgins/Sears n Roebuck guns, since most comprehensive guides simply
don't cross-reference these guns. If anybody knows of one, let us all know.
The only rule-of-thumb I know of is that Sears marketed with the JC Higgins
trademark between about 1946 and 1962. I can't narrow the age of the gun
down any more than that, nor guarantee that the gun was made in that time
frame.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce <bmgu3@... Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:02 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Rimfire help
Okay all, anyone know the age of the Savabe 6, 87 group of rifles? Also
known as the 101.16 rifle, made under JC Higgins, Ranger, and a few others.
All help wou;d be thanked.
Bruce
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214|212|2003-01-09 19:37:45|Bruce Guthrie|Re: Rimfire help|the JC Higgins/Sears n Roebuck guns, since most comprehensive guides simply
don't cross-reference these guns. If anybody knows of one, let us all know.
The only rule-of-thumb I know of is that Sears marketed with the JC Higgins
trademark between about 1946 and 1962. I can't narrow the age of the gun
down any more than that, nor guarantee that the gun was made in that time
frame.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce <bmgu3@... Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:02 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Rimfire help
Okay all, anyone know the age of the Savabe 6, 87 group of rifles? Also
known as the 101.16 rifle, made under JC Higgins, Ranger, and a few others.
All help wou;d be thanked.
Bruce
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Okay here we go, I have been able to do the cross reference of the
Ranger/JC Higgins/ who knows/ 101.16 and found out it is a Savage 6,87
now will this help? I am thinking of bidding on the firearm but I have
to find out the info I can. If this is a Savage, it will be my first one.
Bruce
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215|212|2003-01-09 19:54:51|J.B. BOREN|Re: Rimfire help|Ranger/JC Higgins/ who knows/ 101.16 and found out it is a Savage 6,87
now will this help? I am thinking of bidding on the firearm but I have
to find out the info I can. If this is a Savage, it will be my first one.
Bruce
Savage made the model 6 from the 1920s till recently. Again, if it's a
Higgins gun, my guess is it is between '46 and '62.
Value on a mint gun would run $100-$200 and less if there are blemishes.
I'm not aware of a Savage model 87 or a 6,87. Could the 87 refer to the
year of manufacture? Stevens made a semi-auto model 87. It could also
refer to the model number of another manufacturer or distributor.
jbb
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From: Bruce Guthrie [mailto:bmgu3@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:38 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Rimfire help
Okay here we go, I have been able to do the cross reference of the
Ranger/JC Higgins/ who knows/ 101.16 and found out it is a Savage 6,87
now will this help? I am thinking of bidding on the firearm but I have
to find out the info I can. If this is a Savage, it will be my first one.
Bruce
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216|212|2003-01-09 19:58:52|Bruce Guthrie|Re: Rimfire help|Higgins gun, my guess is it is between '46 and '62.
Value on a mint gun would run $100-$200 and less if there are blemishes.
I'm not aware of a Savage model 87 or a 6,87. Could the 87 refer to the
year of manufacture? Stevens made a semi-auto model 87. It could also
refer to the model number of another manufacturer or distributor.
jbb
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From: Bruce Guthrie [mailto:bmgu3@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:38 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Rimfire help
Okay here we go, I have been able to do the cross reference of the
Ranger/JC Higgins/ who knows/ 101.16 and found out it is a Savage 6,87
now will this help? I am thinking of bidding on the firearm but I have
to find out the info I can. If this is a Savage, it will be my first one.
Bruce
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Yes it is a semi auto, but the reason why I had put both the 6 and the
87 was due in part to the cross ref. info I had.
The site for Cross ref.
http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/cross_reference.html
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217|217|2003-01-10 18:10:55|markp97006 87 was due in part to the cross ref. info I had.
The site for Cross ref.
http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/cross_reference.html
Anyone have any info on the Savage model 40 sporter rifle or model
41 super-sporter rifle? I have what I believe to be a pre-WW2
model 40 in 30-06 caliber, and would like to find out some history
on it(such as when they started and ended production). The one
that I have is in excelent shape with 100% of the blueing intact
and a gorgeous stock. Of particular note is the heavy Mauser-style
bolt action. The size of the bolt housing seems extremely large
when compared with the bolt action rifles of more modern manufacture.
Also, am I correct in assuming that the only difference between the
model 40 sporter and the model 41 super-sporter is the stock of the
rifel? My model 40 has an un-checkered stock, however I ran across
a model 41 a few years back, and the only appearant difference was
that it had a checkered stock. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark
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218|218|2003-01-11 19:20:13|Bruce 41 super-sporter rifle? I have what I believe to be a pre-WW2
model 40 in 30-06 caliber, and would like to find out some history
on it(such as when they started and ended production). The one
that I have is in excelent shape with 100% of the blueing intact
and a gorgeous stock. Of particular note is the heavy Mauser-style
bolt action. The size of the bolt housing seems extremely large
when compared with the bolt action rifles of more modern manufacture.
Also, am I correct in assuming that the only difference between the
model 40 sporter and the model 41 super-sporter is the stock of the
rifel? My model 40 has an un-checkered stock, however I ran across
a model 41 a few years back, and the only appearant difference was
that it had a checkered stock. Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mark
Well found out what the one 22lr I am getting is, it is either a savage 6 or a
springfield 87. This what a Ranger 101.16 crosses to. Also this for those who
see rangers, the Ranger name was made before WW2 so if you happen to
have a C&R ffl that means it falls under the 50 year rule. This will make my
third Ranger 22lr. Two of them a Marlin make, the last a Savage make. Pretty
cool huh.
Bruce
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219|218|2003-01-13 18:46:04|J.B. BOREN|Re: Update|springfield 87. This what a Ranger 101.16 crosses to. Also this for those who
see rangers, the Ranger name was made before WW2 so if you happen to
have a C&R ffl that means it falls under the 50 year rule. This will make my
third Ranger 22lr. Two of them a Marlin make, the last a Savage make. Pretty
cool huh.
Bruce
Thanks for the update.
I've found quite a bit of discrimination against C&R licensees on the web.
One dealer even told me that there is no such thing as a '50-year' rule. He
said if it ain't on the ATF list, it ain't C&R (actually, the list is for
exceptions to the 50-year rule). One example is the Savage 99s (the primary
reason I got my C&R). The list has 'pre-war Savage 99s' listed; i.e. before
1941. However, this listing was made before 1991 in order to allow a
less-than-50-year exception for the 99s. Since ATF doesn't take guns off
the listing, the statement is still there as such. Recently I've found
several 1946-1952 made 99EGs that the owner wouldn't ship to a C&R.
Let me know if any of you have had any luck getting around this.
thx,
jbb
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From: Bruce <bmgu3@... Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:20 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Update
Well found out what the one 22lr I am getting is, it is either a savage 6 or
a
springfield 87. This what a Ranger 101.16 crosses to. Also this for those
who
see rangers, the Ranger name was made before WW2 so if you happen to
have a C&R ffl that means it falls under the 50 year rule. This will make my
third Ranger 22lr. Two of them a Marlin make, the last a Savage make. Pretty
cool huh.
Bruce
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220|218|2003-01-13 19:46:52|Bruce Guthrie|Re: Update|I've found quite a bit of discrimination against C&R licensees on the web.
One dealer even told me that there is no such thing as a '50-year' rule. He
said if it ain't on the ATF list, it ain't C&R (actually, the list is for
exceptions to the 50-year rule). One example is the Savage 99s (the primary
reason I got my C&R). The list has 'pre-war Savage 99s' listed; i.e. before
1941. However, this listing was made before 1991 in order to allow a
less-than-50-year exception for the 99s. Since ATF doesn't take guns off
the listing, the statement is still there as such. Recently I've found
several 1946-1952 made 99EGs that the owner wouldn't ship to a C&R.
Let me know if any of you have had any luck getting around this.
thx,
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce <bmgu3@... Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 11:20 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Update
Well found out what the one 22lr I am getting is, it is either a savage 6 or
a
springfield 87. This what a Ranger 101.16 crosses to. Also this for those
who
see rangers, the Ranger name was made before WW2 so if you happen to
have a C&R ffl that means it falls under the 50 year rule. This will make my
third Ranger 22lr. Two of them a Marlin make, the last a Savage make. Pretty
cool huh.
Bruce
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It is easy I point them to the regs on the ATF site, or take my books in
with me, unless he is too far away. But if they do not want to sell to
you a C&R holder then by all means list him so others know he is not C&R
friendly. I had a few here in town that were like that, one I have
stopped doing business, the other went out of business. I am not
worried, there are plenty of dealers who will take my money and ship to
me. I missed the dang ranger I had thought I won, spoke too soon but
that is okay at least I know what I am looking at now. In fact I even
started a ranger group on yahoo for those who have them.
Bruce
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221|221|2003-01-15 23:39:47|J.B. BOREN|savage arms historian|with me, unless he is too far away. But if they do not want to sell to
you a C&R holder then by all means list him so others know he is not C&R
friendly. I had a few here in town that were like that, one I have
stopped doing business, the other went out of business. I am not
worried, there are plenty of dealers who will take my money and ship to
me. I missed the dang ranger I had thought I won, spoke too soon but
that is okay at least I know what I am looking at now. In fact I even
started a ranger group on yahoo for those who have them.
Bruce
Has anybody on this list ever been able to get ahold of John Callahan, the historian for Savage arms? I've tried dozens of times, but his number is always busy, or a machine picks up that says NOT to leave a message.
I want a simple bit of info from him...the serial number/year chart to determine the age of Savage 99s. If anyone can get ahold of Mr. Callahan and get the info, I'd greatly appreciate it (I need years 1951-present...I have 1950 and earlier).
According to Savage Arms, his phone number is (413) 568-2084, between 6pm - 8pm EST, Monday through Thursday.
Thanks,
jbb
Many post-war 99s can be dated via their lever boss code. Look just forward
of the pivot and there should be an oval with a number and a letter inside.
This began in 1949 with "A" and continued until the mid-sixties. If a rifle
has say "7F" on the lever boss, it can be identified as a 1954 gun due to
the "F." If it has "4H," it's a 1956 gun.
After 1968, Savage began using alphanumeric serial numbers, with "A"
prefixes made from 1969 up until about 1972, "B" prefixes made from 1972
until about 1975, "C" from around 1975 until 1978, "D" from 1978 until 1981,
and "E" from 1981 until the original end of 99 production in 1985. I have no
idea what the recently produced 99s used for their serial number block.
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223|223|2003-01-16 18:53:56|Cathy of the pivot and there should be an oval with a number and a letter inside.
This began in 1949 with "A" and continued until the mid-sixties. If a rifle
has say "7F" on the lever boss, it can be identified as a 1954 gun due to
the "F." If it has "4H," it's a 1956 gun.
After 1968, Savage began using alphanumeric serial numbers, with "A"
prefixes made from 1969 up until about 1972, "B" prefixes made from 1972
until about 1975, "C" from around 1975 until 1978, "D" from 1978 until 1981,
and "E" from 1981 until the original end of 99 production in 1985. I have no
idea what the recently produced 99s used for their serial number block.
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Could anyone direct me to a site where I might be able to get
information on J. Stevens 1800 century rifles (Savage bought
Stevens). I'm looking to purchase a Stevens rifle and would like to
make sure the asking price is fair.
Thank You
Cathy
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224|224|2003-01-20 17:36:38|Rick hostetler information on J. Stevens 1800 century rifles (Savage bought
Stevens). I'm looking to purchase a Stevens rifle and would like to
make sure the asking price is fair.
Thank You
Cathy
Howdy, new to the group. Anyone here familiar with the above rifle?
Looking into building a long range hunting rifle in 300 ultra mag.
Any input as to this rifle, or some others that would be appropriate,
please respond.
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225|224|2003-01-22 11:29:10|Cathy Looking into building a long range hunting rifle in 300 ultra mag.
Any input as to this rifle, or some others that would be appropriate,
please respond.
Info on Savage model 116 fsak can be obtained at:
http://www.savagearms.com/centerfire/weather_warrior/116fsak.htm
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226|226|2003-01-27 17:34:15|axeman_g http://www.savagearms.com/centerfire/weather_warrior/116fsak.htm
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I have a NIB, bolt action Savage Sierra, Model 10FM
http://www.savagearms.com/centerfire/ultralt/10fmsa.htm
Suggested Retail - $495.00
Features: Blued barreled action, lightweight barrel, nylon sling,
quick detachable swivels.
Sights: Drilled and tapped for scope mounts.
Stock: Black synthetic with positive checkering, dual pillar bedding.
Magazine Capacity:
4 rounds (243 Win.).
Weight: 6.25 lbs.
BarrelLength: 20".
Overall Length: 39.75".
Action: Short.
I am asking $375 for it, shipping included to your ffl. Or I will
trade for a 12 Gauge Ithaca 37, Benelli Nova, Mossberg 590 or
Remington 870 in very good condition. Prefer 21'' or less barrell.
Please reply to axeman_g@...
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227|227|2003-02-06 18:25:56|nbrown3131 http://www.savagearms.com/centerfire/ultralt/10fmsa.htm
Suggested Retail - $495.00
Features: Blued barreled action, lightweight barrel, nylon sling,
quick detachable swivels.
Sights: Drilled and tapped for scope mounts.
Stock: Black synthetic with positive checkering, dual pillar bedding.
Magazine Capacity:
4 rounds (243 Win.).
Weight: 6.25 lbs.
BarrelLength: 20".
Overall Length: 39.75".
Action: Short.
I am asking $375 for it, shipping included to your ffl. Or I will
trade for a 12 Gauge Ithaca 37, Benelli Nova, Mossberg 590 or
Remington 870 in very good condition. Prefer 21'' or less barrell.
Please reply to axeman_g@...
I have heard that Savage is introducing a single shot rifle in 17HMR
and would be interested in this rifle. Does anyone have any info on
this new gun? I currently use H&R's single shot's but I have always
been interested in the Savage/Stevens line. I believe the model
number I heard mentioned was a Model 30 Single Shot. Any info would
be a big help...not many dealers in my area carry the Savage line of
firearms.
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228|228|2003-02-11 19:04:38|Jack and would be interested in this rifle. Does anyone have any info on
this new gun? I currently use H&R's single shot's but I have always
been interested in the Savage/Stevens line. I believe the model
number I heard mentioned was a Model 30 Single Shot. Any info would
be a big help...not many dealers in my area carry the Savage line of
firearms.
1. sites for parts & msc.
2. over 200 yahoo groups on this list for hunting, guns, air pistols,
black powder & bow hunting
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229|229|2003-02-21 19:14:26|dzrtram 2. over 200 yahoo groups on this list for hunting, guns, air pistols,
black powder & bow hunting
I've just purchased a Savage .17 HMR. It is not the new one with
the Acutrigger. I really don't need the accutrigger because the
gun is used for only one thing-killing the rodent pests on a ranch.
I need a much smoother, very light trigger. I would appreciate
any information on how to do this, or what gunsmith might fix up
this trigger for me. I understand aftermarket triggers are
available. Which is the best one? Or, is it better to fix the trigger
the rifle came with? I'm more than willing to send the rifle away
to a very good, reputable smith who can make this a "tack driver."
Thank you for any help you can be.
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230|230|2003-03-10 03:21:16|Bruce|New aquirement|the Acutrigger. I really don't need the accutrigger because the
gun is used for only one thing-killing the rodent pests on a ranch.
I need a much smoother, very light trigger. I would appreciate
any information on how to do this, or what gunsmith might fix up
this trigger for me. I understand aftermarket triggers are
available. Which is the best one? Or, is it better to fix the trigger
the rifle came with? I'm more than willing to send the rifle away
to a very good, reputable smith who can make this a "tack driver."
Thank you for any help you can be.
Hi all,
Just got a new rifle,, a ranger. Looking over all my pdf's on the guns I know
are made with the ranger name. Found the correct rifle it is, a Stevens 416.
Has the adjustable trigger, peep sights, had the green sling but swapped for
the leather military sling. Only one thing missing one screw. Cost me 168.00. I
like it, nice walnut stock. Anyone have any idea where I may find a few mags
for it?
Bruce
neastMI
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231|231|2003-03-10 06:29:27|ray4359|new savage model 10fp-le1|Just got a new rifle,, a ranger. Looking over all my pdf's on the guns I know
are made with the ranger name. Found the correct rifle it is, a Stevens 416.
Has the adjustable trigger, peep sights, had the green sling but swapped for
the leather military sling. Only one thing missing one screw. Cost me 168.00. I
like it, nice walnut stock. Anyone have any idea where I may find a few mags
for it?
Bruce
neastMI
apprently savage has changed the reciver on this model because the
weaver rear base mount is to high.base number 61 is to high for my
gun i had to use 2 front bases number 46.if anyone has information on
this model in 308 maybe suggested loads or such .please email me
ray4359@... .
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232|232|2003-03-28 00:46:22|Bruce|Help|weaver rear base mount is to high.base number 61 is to high for my
gun i had to use 2 front bases number 46.if anyone has information on
this model in 308 maybe suggested loads or such .please email me
ray4359@... .
Okay guys need a few pics of the savage 87/Stevens 6/ Ranger 101.11a rifle,,
need any pictures which show the rear left side where looks as something
once was there. Also any info would be greatly apprec. Thank you. Getting
ready to put a ranger 191.11a back into shotable rifle again.
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233|233|2003-04-09 23:35:10|Marty Allred|Recoil pad for sale|need any pictures which show the rear left side where looks as something
once was there. Also any info would be greatly apprec. Thank you. Getting
ready to put a ranger 191.11a back into shotable rifle again.
Time's almost up, but I've got a Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad
designed to just fit right on to a Savage 110 series synthetic stock
rifle.
Here's the listing:
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=8215193
As of this minute, the high bid is only $5, which is about $30 less
than you'll pay for it anywhere else. It's new in the original
Pachmayr packaging. I found out the hard way that it won't fit on the
Savage 10FCM (Scout) rifle.
Marty
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234|233|2003-04-12 12:54:30|Robert Brown|Re: Recoil pad for sale|designed to just fit right on to a Savage 110 series synthetic stock
rifle.
Here's the listing:
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=8215193
As of this minute, the high bid is only $5, which is about $30 less
than you'll pay for it anywhere else. It's new in the original
Pachmayr packaging. I found out the hard way that it won't fit on the
Savage 10FCM (Scout) rifle.
Marty
Are you spamming the list?
I guess it all depends on your definition of spam.
The usual one is "unsolicited commercial email".
I'm not a dealer, just a guy that bought something and
didn't get around to trying to use until it was too
late to return it, so I thought I'd sell it. I meant
to put a notice on here earlier, but got tied up with
work issues and forgot.
It did end up selling for $5, if anyone cares, which is
a great price for one of these. I thought someone might
like to get a good deal.
Sorry if I offended anyone.
Marty
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=8215193
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236|236|2003-04-14 17:14:30|J.B. BOREN|Re: Recoil pad for sale - from listowner|The usual one is "unsolicited commercial email".
I'm not a dealer, just a guy that bought something and
didn't get around to trying to use until it was too
late to return it, so I thought I'd sell it. I meant
to put a notice on here earlier, but got tied up with
work issues and forgot.
It did end up selling for $5, if anyone cares, which is
a great price for one of these. I thought someone might
like to get a good deal.
Sorry if I offended anyone.
Marty
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=8215193
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Marty, what you did was not spam and is allowed under list rules.
Occasional offers of items for sale are welcome; dealers and non-list
participants are not.
thx,
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Allred [mailto:mwallred@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:53 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: Recoil pad for sale
I guess it all depends on your definition of spam.
The usual one is "unsolicited commercial email".
I'm not a dealer, just a guy that bought something and
didn't get around to trying to use until it was too
late to return it, so I thought I'd sell it. I meant
to put a notice on here earlier, but got tied up with
work issues and forgot.
It did end up selling for $5, if anyone cares, which is
a great price for one of these. I thought someone might
like to get a good deal.
Sorry if I offended anyone.
Marty
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237|185|2003-04-16 18:05:30|kris1605_99|New to group|Occasional offers of items for sale are welcome; dealers and non-list
participants are not.
thx,
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Allred [mailto:mwallred@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 7:53 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: Recoil pad for sale
I guess it all depends on your definition of spam.
The usual one is "unsolicited commercial email".
I'm not a dealer, just a guy that bought something and
didn't get around to trying to use until it was too
late to return it, so I thought I'd sell it. I meant
to put a notice on here earlier, but got tied up with
work issues and forgot.
It did end up selling for $5, if anyone cares, which is
a great price for one of these. I thought someone might
like to get a good deal.
Sorry if I offended anyone.
Marty
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Hey everyone,
Just joined this group. I recently bought a 2002 10FP(NIB)putting
Burris base/rings, Simmons varmint/target scope on it. Been talking
to target/tactical guys about different trigger work. They seem to
prefer the Sharpshooter system to the new accu-trigger on 2003 10
and 12 models. Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject?
Thanks,
Kris
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238|185|2003-04-16 18:25:51|J.B. BOREN|Re: New to group|Just joined this group. I recently bought a 2002 10FP(NIB)putting
Burris base/rings, Simmons varmint/target scope on it. Been talking
to target/tactical guys about different trigger work. They seem to
prefer the Sharpshooter system to the new accu-trigger on 2003 10
and 12 models. Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject?
Thanks,
Kris
I'm afraid you are ahead of my curve, since I havent' even seen the new
accu-trigger yet. There are a number of good aftermarket triggers that
replace the old Savage trigger, and most are good ones. The new
accu-trigger is not (from what I've been told) going to be available to
replace the older trigger systems on the Savages.
jbb
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Hey everyone,
Just joined this group. I recently bought a 2002 10FP(NIB)putting
Burris base/rings, Simmons varmint/target scope on it. Been talking
to target/tactical guys about different trigger work. They seem to
prefer the Sharpshooter system to the new accu-trigger on 2003 10
and 12 models. Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject? Thanks, Kris
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239|185|2003-04-18 22:38:17|DesertRam|Re: New to group|accu-trigger yet. There are a number of good aftermarket triggers that
replace the old Savage trigger, and most are good ones. The new
accu-trigger is not (from what I've been told) going to be available to
replace the older trigger systems on the Savages.
jbb
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Subject: [Savage-firearms] New to group
Hey everyone,
Just joined this group. I recently bought a 2002 10FP(NIB)putting
Burris base/rings, Simmons varmint/target scope on it. Been talking
to target/tactical guys about different trigger work. They seem to
prefer the Sharpshooter system to the new accu-trigger on 2003 10
and 12 models. Does anyone have any thoughts on this subject? Thanks, Kris
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Could you tell me more about the Sharpshooter system,
and where to get it? I have a new .17hmr that is
badly in need of a light trigger.
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240|185|2003-04-19 18:15:15|kris1605_99|Re: New to group|and where to get it? I have a new .17hmr that is
badly in need of a light trigger.
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--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, DesertRam specializes in tactical and long range shooting rifles. He told me
Sharpshooter triggers are adjustable from 12oz to 5.5 pounds while
accu-triggers are adjustable from 1 to 6.5 pounds. I believe that
2002 10FP-LE1 and LE2's came with this system installed from the
factory. Price should be around $100 and I would check around your
local gundealrs/gunsmiths to see what they have to offer and they
could tell you about the system in greater detail.
Kris
|
241|241|2003-05-19 03:52:51|Bruce|H.R 2038 Sucks|Sharpshooter triggers are adjustable from 12oz to 5.5 pounds while
accu-triggers are adjustable from 1 to 6.5 pounds. I believe that
2002 10FP-LE1 and LE2's came with this system installed from the
factory. Price should be around $100 and I would check around your
local gundealrs/gunsmiths to see what they have to offer and they
could tell you about the system in greater detail.
Kris
HR 2038 IH
108th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 2038
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
May 8, 2003
Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York (for herself, Mr. SHAYS, Mr. CONYERS, Mr.
SMITH of New Jersey, Mr. NADLER, Ms. LOFGREN, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of
Texas, Ms. WATERS, Mr. MEEHAN, Mr. DELAHUNT, Mr. WEXLER, Mr.
WEINER, Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California, Mr. EMANUEL, Mr. CASE,
Mrs. MALONEY, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode
Island, Mr. RANGEL, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. ACKERMAN, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY,
Mr. HONDA, Mr. STARK, Ms. SOLIS, Ms. LEE, Mr. VAN HOLLEN, Mr.
WAXMAN, Mr. TOWNS, Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD, Mr. GRIJALVA, Ms. CARSON
of Indiana, Ms. NORTON, Mr. LIPINSKI, Mr. RUSH, Ms. WATSON, Mr. DAVIS
of Illinois, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mr. GUTIERREZ,
Mr. OWENS, Mr. BLUMENAUER, Mr. CUMMINGS, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE
JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. FARR, Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California, Mr.
MORAN of Virginia, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. ANDREWS, Mr. HOLT, Mr. PAYNE, Mr.
MCGOVERN, Mr. PASCRELL, Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts, Mrs.
TAUSCHER, Ms. DELAURO, Mr. ENGEL, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. HOEFFEL, Mrs.
LOWEY, Mr. MENENDEZ, Ms. VELAZQUEZ, Mr. TIERNEY, Mr. BRADY of
Pennsylvania, Mr. ROTHMAN, Mr. FATTAH, Ms. HARMAN, Mr. BISHOP of
New York, and Mr. LANGEVIN) introduced the following bill; which was
referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
------------------------------------------------------------------------
A BILL
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement
Protection Act of 2003'.
SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
(a) IN GENERAL- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, is
amended to read as follows:
`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:
`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA
85, SA 93, VEPR;
`(ii) AR-10;
`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
`(iv) AR70;
`(v) Calico Liberty;
`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
`(xi) M1 Carbine;
`(xii) Saiga;
`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;
`(xv) SLG 95;
`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;
`(xvii) Steyr AUG;
`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
`(xix) Tavor;
`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).
`(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) Calico M-110;
`(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;
`(iii) Olympic Arms OA;
`(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or
`(v) Uzi.
`(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) Armscor 30 BG;
`(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
`(iii) Striker 12; or
`(iv) Streetsweeper.
`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine,
and that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a pistol grip;
`(iv) a forward grip; or
`(v) a barrel shroud.
`(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed
magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
`(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to
accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
`(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable
magazine, and has--
`(i) a second pistol grip;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a barrel shroud; or
`(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the
pistol grip.
`(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to
accept more than 10 rounds.
`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip;
`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame
or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or
(L).
`(K) A conversion kit.
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law
enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is
not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney
General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption
that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law
enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a
firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting
purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
(b) RELATED DEFINITIONS- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by
adding at the end the following:
`(36) BARREL SHROUD- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is
attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that
the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel,
but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an
extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle
or substantially encircle the barrel.
`(37) CONVERSION KIT- The term `conversion kit' means any part or
combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm
into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from
which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in
the possession or under the control of a person.
`(38) DETACHABLE MAGAZINE- The term `detachable magazine' means an
ammunition feeding device that can readily be inserted into a firearm.
`(39) FIXED MAGAZINE- The term `fixed magazine' means an ammunition
feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm.
`(40) FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK- The term `folding or telescoping
stock' means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce
the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the
concealability, of a firearm.
`(41) FORWARD GRIP- The term `forward grip' means a grip located forward
of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.
`(42) PISTOL GRIP- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or
any other characteristic that can function as a grip.
`(43) THREADED BARREL- The term `threaded barrel' means a feature or
characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of
a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C.
5845(a)).'.
SEC. 3. ELIMINATION OF SUNSET.
Section 110105 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of
1994 is amended--
(1) by striking `--' and all that follows through `(1)'; and
(2) by striking `; and' and all that follows through `that date'.
SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISIONS.
Section 922(v)(2) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) by inserting `(A)' after `(2)';
(2) by striking `on the date of the enactment of this subsection' and inserting
`as of September 13, 1994'; and
(3) by adding after and below the end the following:
`(B) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm the possession or transfer of
which would (but for this subparagraph) be unlawful by reason of this
subsection, and which is otherwise lawfully possessed on the date of the
enactment of this subparagraph.'.
SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.
Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `(3)'
and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:
`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--
`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;
`(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or
`(C) is an antique firearm.'.
SEC. 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE TRANSFER OF
LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.
Section 922(v) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the
end the following:
`(5) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault
weapon to which paragraph (1) does not apply, except through--
`(A) a licensed dealer, and for purposes of subsection (t) in the case of such a
transfer, the weapon shall be considered to be transferred from the business
inventory of the licensed dealer and the dealer shall be considered to be the
transferor; or
`(B) a State or local law enforcement agency if the transfer is made in
accordance with the procedures provided for in subsection (t) of this section
and section 923(g).
`(6) The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, in a timely manner, a
record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any semiautomatic
assault weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in
relation to a crime under Federal or State law, and the nature and
circumstances of the crime involved, including the outcome of relevant
criminal investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall annually
submit the record to the Congress and make the record available to the
general public.'.
SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER
OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.
(a) BAN ON TRANSFER OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON WITH
LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by
inserting after subsection (y) the following:
`(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a
large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end
the following:
`(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(z) shall be fined under this title,
imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.'.
(b) CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of such title is amended--
(A) in paragraph (2), by striking `on or before the date of enactment of this
subsection'
and inserting `in the United States on or before September 13, 1994';
(B) in paragraph (3)--
(i) by adding `or' at the end of subparagraph (B); and
(ii) by striking subparagraph (C) and redesignating subparagraph (D) as
subparagraph (C); and
(C) by striking paragraph (4) and inserting the following:
`(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or
licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device
that was manufactured on or before September 13, 1994, to fail to certify to
the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the
date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney
General, that the device was manufactured on or before September 13,
1994.'.
(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is further amended by adding at
the end the following:
`(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4) shall be fined under this
title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'.
SEC. 8. UNLAWFUL WEAPONS TRANSFERS TO JUVENILES.
Section 922(x) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) in paragraph (1)--
(A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and
(B) by adding at the end the following:
`(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or
`(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'; and
(2) in paragraph (2)--
(A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and
(B) by adding at the end the following:
`(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or
`(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
SEC. 9. BAN ON IMPORTATION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION
FEEDING DEVICE.
(a) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of title 18, United States Code, as amended
by section 7(b)(1) of this Act, is further amended--
(1) in paragraph (1), by striking `(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2)' and
inserting `(1)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B)';
(2) in paragraph (2), by striking `(2) Paragraph (1)' and inserting `(B)
Subparagraph (A)'; and
(3) by inserting before paragraph (3) the following:
`(2) It shall be unlawful for any person to import or bring into the United States
a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 921(a)(31)(A) of such title is
amended by striking `manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent
Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994'.
|
242|242|2003-05-19 17:15:41|michael_missouri|Stevens Model 15-A|108th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 2038
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
May 8, 2003
Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York (for herself, Mr. SHAYS, Mr. CONYERS, Mr.
SMITH of New Jersey, Mr. NADLER, Ms. LOFGREN, Ms. JACKSON-LEE of
Texas, Ms. WATERS, Mr. MEEHAN, Mr. DELAHUNT, Mr. WEXLER, Mr.
WEINER, Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California, Mr. EMANUEL, Mr. CASE,
Mrs. MALONEY, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. KENNEDY of Rhode
Island, Mr. RANGEL, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. ACKERMAN, Ms. SCHAKOWSKY,
Mr. HONDA, Mr. STARK, Ms. SOLIS, Ms. LEE, Mr. VAN HOLLEN, Mr.
WAXMAN, Mr. TOWNS, Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD, Mr. GRIJALVA, Ms. CARSON
of Indiana, Ms. NORTON, Mr. LIPINSKI, Mr. RUSH, Ms. WATSON, Mr. DAVIS
of Illinois, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mr. GUTIERREZ,
Mr. OWENS, Mr. BLUMENAUER, Mr. CUMMINGS, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE
JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. FARR, Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of California, Mr.
MORAN of Virginia, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. ANDREWS, Mr. HOLT, Mr. PAYNE, Mr.
MCGOVERN, Mr. PASCRELL, Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts, Mrs.
TAUSCHER, Ms. DELAURO, Mr. ENGEL, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. HOEFFEL, Mrs.
LOWEY, Mr. MENENDEZ, Ms. VELAZQUEZ, Mr. TIERNEY, Mr. BRADY of
Pennsylvania, Mr. ROTHMAN, Mr. FATTAH, Ms. HARMAN, Mr. BISHOP of
New York, and Mr. LANGEVIN) introduced the following bill; which was
referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
------------------------------------------------------------------------
A BILL
To reauthorize the assault weapons ban, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement
Protection Act of 2003'.
SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
(a) IN GENERAL- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, is
amended to read as follows:
`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:
`(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA
85, SA 93, VEPR;
`(ii) AR-10;
`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
`(iv) AR70;
`(v) Calico Liberty;
`(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
`(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
`(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
`(xi) M1 Carbine;
`(xii) Saiga;
`(xiii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
`(xiv) SKS with detachable magazine;
`(xv) SLG 95;
`(xvi) SLR 95 or 96;
`(xvii) Steyr AUG;
`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
`(xix) Tavor;
`(xx) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
`(xxi) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).
`(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) Calico M-110;
`(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;
`(iii) Olympic Arms OA;
`(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or
`(v) Uzi.
`(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:
`(i) Armscor 30 BG;
`(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
`(iii) Striker 12; or
`(iv) Streetsweeper.
`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine,
and that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a pistol grip;
`(iv) a forward grip; or
`(v) a barrel shroud.
`(E)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), a semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed
magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
`(ii) Clause (i) shall not apply to an attached tubular device designed to
accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.
`(F) A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable
magazine, and has--
`(i) a second pistol grip;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a barrel shroud; or
`(iv) the capacity to accept a detachable magazine at a location outside of the
pistol grip.
`(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to
accept more than 10 rounds.
`(H) A semiautomatic shotgun that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip;
`(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
`(iv) a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
`(I) A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
`(J) A frame or receiver that is identical to, or based substantially on the frame
or receiver of, a firearm described in any of subparagraphs (A) through (I) or
(L).
`(K) A conversion kit.
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law
enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is
not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney
General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption
that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law
enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a
firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting
purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
(b) RELATED DEFINITIONS- Section 921(a) of such title is amended by
adding at the end the following:
`(36) BARREL SHROUD- The term `barrel shroud' means a shroud that is
attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that
the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel,
but does not include a slide that encloses the barrel, and does not include an
extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle
or substantially encircle the barrel.
`(37) CONVERSION KIT- The term `conversion kit' means any part or
combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a firearm
into a semiautomatic assault weapon, and any combination of parts from
which a semiautomatic assault weapon can be assembled if the parts are in
the possession or under the control of a person.
`(38) DETACHABLE MAGAZINE- The term `detachable magazine' means an
ammunition feeding device that can readily be inserted into a firearm.
`(39) FIXED MAGAZINE- The term `fixed magazine' means an ammunition
feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm.
`(40) FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK- The term `folding or telescoping
stock' means a stock that folds, telescopes, or otherwise operates to reduce
the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the
concealability, of a firearm.
`(41) FORWARD GRIP- The term `forward grip' means a grip located forward
of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.
`(42) PISTOL GRIP- The term `pistol grip' means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or
any other characteristic that can function as a grip.
`(43) THREADED BARREL- The term `threaded barrel' means a feature or
characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of
a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the National Firearms Act (26 U.S.C.
5845(a)).'.
SEC. 3. ELIMINATION OF SUNSET.
Section 110105 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of
1994 is amended--
(1) by striking `--' and all that follows through `(1)'; and
(2) by striking `; and' and all that follows through `that date'.
SEC. 4. GRANDFATHER PROVISIONS.
Section 922(v)(2) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) by inserting `(A)' after `(2)';
(2) by striking `on the date of the enactment of this subsection' and inserting
`as of September 13, 1994'; and
(3) by adding after and below the end the following:
`(B) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm the possession or transfer of
which would (but for this subparagraph) be unlawful by reason of this
subsection, and which is otherwise lawfully possessed on the date of the
enactment of this subparagraph.'.
SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.
Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `(3)'
and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:
`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--
`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;
`(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or
`(C) is an antique firearm.'.
SEC. 6. REQUIRING BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR THE TRANSFER OF
LAWFULLY POSSESSED SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS.
Section 922(v) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the
end the following:
`(5) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer a semiautomatic assault
weapon to which paragraph (1) does not apply, except through--
`(A) a licensed dealer, and for purposes of subsection (t) in the case of such a
transfer, the weapon shall be considered to be transferred from the business
inventory of the licensed dealer and the dealer shall be considered to be the
transferor; or
`(B) a State or local law enforcement agency if the transfer is made in
accordance with the procedures provided for in subsection (t) of this section
and section 923(g).
`(6) The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, in a timely manner, a
record of the make, model, and date of manufacture of any semiautomatic
assault weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in
relation to a crime under Federal or State law, and the nature and
circumstances of the crime involved, including the outcome of relevant
criminal investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall annually
submit the record to the Congress and make the record available to the
general public.'.
SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER
OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.
(a) BAN ON TRANSFER OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON WITH
LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by
inserting after subsection (y) the following:
`(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a
large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is amended by adding at the end
the following:
`(8) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(z) shall be fined under this title,
imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.'.
(b) CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENT-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of such title is amended--
(A) in paragraph (2), by striking `on or before the date of enactment of this
subsection'
and inserting `in the United States on or before September 13, 1994';
(B) in paragraph (3)--
(i) by adding `or' at the end of subparagraph (B); and
(ii) by striking subparagraph (C) and redesignating subparagraph (D) as
subparagraph (C); and
(C) by striking paragraph (4) and inserting the following:
`(4) It shall be unlawful for a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or
licensed dealer who transfers a large capacity ammunition feeding device
that was manufactured on or before September 13, 1994, to fail to certify to
the Attorney General before the end of the 60-day period that begins with the
date of the transfer, in accordance with regulations prescribed by the Attorney
General, that the device was manufactured on or before September 13,
1994.'.
(2) PENALTIES- Section 924(a) of such title is further amended by adding at
the end the following:
`(9) Whoever knowingly violates section 922(w)(4) shall be fined under this
title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.'.
SEC. 8. UNLAWFUL WEAPONS TRANSFERS TO JUVENILES.
Section 922(x) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(1) in paragraph (1)--
(A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and
(B) by adding at the end the following:
`(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or
`(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'; and
(2) in paragraph (2)--
(A) in subparagraph (B), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and
(B) by adding at the end the following:
`(C) a semiautomatic assault weapon; or
`(D) a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
SEC. 9. BAN ON IMPORTATION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION
FEEDING DEVICE.
(a) IN GENERAL- Section 922(w) of title 18, United States Code, as amended
by section 7(b)(1) of this Act, is further amended--
(1) in paragraph (1), by striking `(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2)' and
inserting `(1)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B)';
(2) in paragraph (2), by striking `(2) Paragraph (1)' and inserting `(B)
Subparagraph (A)'; and
(3) by inserting before paragraph (3) the following:
`(2) It shall be unlawful for any person to import or bring into the United States
a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 921(a)(31)(A) of such title is
amended by striking `manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent
Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994'.
Sorry to bother you folks with this but I can't find any information
on this little .22 cal single shot rifle. It was my grandfather's
who dided in 1965. It was old then. I would be real interested in
finding out the approx. date this rifle was manufactured. I intend
on handing it down to my grand-son and would like to be able to give
him some idea on how old it is. It is about the straightest shooting
little rifle I have ever used.
Michael
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243|242|2003-05-19 17:19:58|J.B. BOREN|Re: Stevens Model 15-A|on this little .22 cal single shot rifle. It was my grandfather's
who dided in 1965. It was old then. I would be real interested in
finding out the approx. date this rifle was manufactured. I intend
on handing it down to my grand-son and would like to be able to give
him some idea on how old it is. It is about the straightest shooting
little rifle I have ever used.
Michael
I have a couple of Model 15s. What information do you need?
They are perfect for beginners...one of mine is cut down short...it was my
first .22 (got it at age 4). The other hasn't been cut yet...I just picked
it up on the internet, since I have twin boys, I needed a second one.
Since these usually did not have serial numbers, they are very hard to date.
Very likely pre-war.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: michael_missouri [mailto:michael_missouri@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:07 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Stevens Model 15-A
Sorry to bother you folks with this but I can't find any information
on this little .22 cal single shot rifle. It was my grandfather's
who dided in 1965. It was old then. I would be real interested in
finding out the approx. date this rifle was manufactured. I intend
on handing it down to my grand-son and would like to be able to give
him some idea on how old it is. It is about the straightest shooting
little rifle I have ever used.
Michael
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244|242|2003-05-19 17:43:16|Bruce|Re: Stevens Model 15-A|They are perfect for beginners...one of mine is cut down short...it was my
first .22 (got it at age 4). The other hasn't been cut yet...I just picked
it up on the internet, since I have twin boys, I needed a second one.
Since these usually did not have serial numbers, they are very hard to date.
Very likely pre-war.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: michael_missouri [mailto:michael_missouri@...]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 12:07 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Stevens Model 15-A
Sorry to bother you folks with this but I can't find any information
on this little .22 cal single shot rifle. It was my grandfather's
who dided in 1965. It was old then. I would be real interested in
finding out the approx. date this rifle was manufactured. I intend
on handing it down to my grand-son and would like to be able to give
him some idea on how old it is. It is about the straightest shooting
little rifle I have ever used.
Michael
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Umm well I would think it being before WW2 as is my Stevens 87a as well
as my Rnager/Stevens 416.
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245|242|2003-05-19 18:36:40|Michael Ashburn|Re: Stevens Model 15-A|as my Rnager/Stevens 416.
Thanks for the information.
That is what I was looking for more or less. I know it is more or less worthless. I sanded the stock down years ago and refinished it. It had to have a custom made firing pin replaced about 20 years back but aside from that it shoots beautifully. It has more of a sentimental value than anything else. I have one grand-son and I have told him it will be passed down to him someday. I just wanted a ball park idea of how old it is. Pre-war is a good estimate.
Thanks!
Michael
"J.B. BOREN"
I called Savage Firearms this morning to ask when I
might expect a Savage .243WSSM with the Accutrigger.
The lady said they were working on it right now, BUT
Winchester is having trouble with the ammo and won't
OK Savage to go ahead, and Savage won't do any more
until they find out what the problem is, which might
be the end of this year, or some time next year. Does
anyone know what the ammo problem is? This is very
disappointing to me. I notice Browning's .243WSSM has
not been let out yet. I wonder how serious the
problem is?
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247|247|2003-05-29 22:29:47|Marty Allred|Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad for sale|might expect a Savage .243WSSM with the Accutrigger.
The lady said they were working on it right now, BUT
Winchester is having trouble with the ammo and won't
OK Savage to go ahead, and Savage won't do any more
until they find out what the problem is, which might
be the end of this year, or some time next year. Does
anyone know what the ammo problem is? This is very
disappointing to me. I notice Browning's .243WSSM has
not been let out yet. I wonder how serious the
problem is?
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I'm just a private individual, not a dealer. I have a really nice
Pachmayr Decelerator pre-fit recoil pad for Savage 110 series
synthetic stock rifles.
Unfortunately, I waited too long after I bought it to try it out and
discovered that the Savage Scout rifle butt is not the same size as
the regular 110 series. And it was too late to return it.
Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3610642279
If you manage to get there before someone bids on it, the ButItNow
price is only $20. These babies usually go for somewhere around $30-
$35. This one is brand new and I still have the factory box and
everything.
Marty
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248|246|2003-05-29 22:45:09|J.B. BOREN|Re: .243|Pachmayr Decelerator pre-fit recoil pad for Savage 110 series
synthetic stock rifles.
Unfortunately, I waited too long after I bought it to try it out and
discovered that the Savage Scout rifle butt is not the same size as
the regular 110 series. And it was too late to return it.
Here's the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3610642279
If you manage to get there before someone bids on it, the ButItNow
price is only $20. These babies usually go for somewhere around $30-
$35. This one is brand new and I still have the factory box and
everything.
Marty
My guess is it is something to do with being able to chamber the cartride in
another chamber, or another cartridge in the 243WSSM chamber...they had that
snag with the 270/7mm WSM and had to change the length of the 7mm case at
the last minute, after they had already released the cartridge specs (and
quite a few had already wildcat-chambered guns for it). It wouldn't do to
fire a 7mm WSM in a 270 WSM chamber.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertRam [mailto:dzrtram@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:12 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] .243
I called Savage Firearms this morning to ask when I
might expect a Savage .243WSSM with the Accutrigger.
The lady said they were working on it right now, BUT
Winchester is having trouble with the ammo and won't
OK Savage to go ahead, and Savage won't do any more
until they find out what the problem is, which might
be the end of this year, or some time next year. Does
anyone know what the ammo problem is? This is very disappointing to me. I
notice Browning's .243WSSM has not been let out yet. I wonder how serious
the problem is?
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249|246|2003-05-29 23:33:08|DesertRam|Re: .243|another chamber, or another cartridge in the 243WSSM chamber...they had that
snag with the 270/7mm WSM and had to change the length of the 7mm case at
the last minute, after they had already released the cartridge specs (and
quite a few had already wildcat-chambered guns for it). It wouldn't do to
fire a 7mm WSM in a 270 WSM chamber.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertRam [mailto:dzrtram@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:12 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] .243
I called Savage Firearms this morning to ask when I
might expect a Savage .243WSSM with the Accutrigger.
The lady said they were working on it right now, BUT
Winchester is having trouble with the ammo and won't
OK Savage to go ahead, and Savage won't do any more
until they find out what the problem is, which might
be the end of this year, or some time next year. Does
anyone know what the ammo problem is? This is very disappointing to me. I
notice Browning's .243WSSM has not been let out yet. I wonder how serious
the problem is?
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I'm wondering if the lady at Savage either didn't
exactly understand, or wasn't sure. She said it was
the ammo itself that had a problem. However, all I've
read says they have to chrome the barrels due to
throat wear. But that doesn't make sense. If it is a
barrel problem, Winchester would just tell Savage they
have to chrome the barrel. The lady at Savage spoke
like it was ALL due to a problem with Winchester and
their .243. She said they are waiting on Winchester
to give them the "go ahead." It will be interesting to
see what happens. The .300WSSM is a smash success.
It might take the others longer to catch on. Thanks
for your reply.
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250|250|2003-05-30 02:29:33|jobo_18_01|model 219 book|exactly understand, or wasn't sure. She said it was
the ammo itself that had a problem. However, all I've
read says they have to chrome the barrels due to
throat wear. But that doesn't make sense. If it is a
barrel problem, Winchester would just tell Savage they
have to chrome the barrel. The lady at Savage spoke
like it was ALL due to a problem with Winchester and
their .243. She said they are waiting on Winchester
to give them the "go ahead." It will be interesting to
see what happens. The .300WSSM is a smash success.
It might take the others longer to catch on. Thanks
for your reply.
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Does anybody know where I can find a book on my savage Model 219.
thanks
Jonathan
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251|250|2003-05-30 02:30:57|J.B. BOREN|Re: model 219 book|thanks
Jonathan
I don't know anyplace other than Savage who might have one. I don't even
know if they printed a book on this one.
You have a 30-30? Mine is. Fun to shoot. I'd like to find one in 25-20.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: jobo_18_01 [mailto:jobo_18@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:30 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] model 219 book
Does anybody know where I can find a book on my savage Model 219.
thanks
Jonathan
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252|250|2003-05-30 03:28:23|jobo_18_01|Re: model 219 book|know if they printed a book on this one.
You have a 30-30? Mine is. Fun to shoot. I'd like to find one in 25-20.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: jobo_18_01 [mailto:jobo_18@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:30 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] model 219 book
Does anybody know where I can find a book on my savage Model 219.
thanks
Jonathan
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J.B. BOREN" serial # anywhere on the gun. it's not on the barrel, under the
scope, i can't even find one under the but plate.
wrote:
don't even
25-20.
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253|250|2003-05-30 03:33:23|J.B. BOREN|Re: model 219 book|scope, i can't even find one under the but plate.
wrote:
don't even
25-20.
The gun is a pre-1968, and has no serial number. It is very common for
guns, especially cheaper ones, to not have serial numbers before the Gun
Control Act of 1968 required them by law. Break action guns that do have a
serial number will have one on the action, not the barrel, as the BATF
considers the action (receiver) to be the firearm, not barrel, stock, etc.
My 30-30 doesn't have one either.
jbb
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From: jobo_18_01 [mailto:jobo_18@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:28 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: model 219 book
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J.B. BOREN" serial # anywhere on the gun. it's not on the barrel, under the
scope, i can't even find one under the but plate.
wrote:
don't even
25-20.
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254|254|2003-06-12 18:19:30|J.B. BOREN|OT need info on Stevens mdl 15|guns, especially cheaper ones, to not have serial numbers before the Gun
Control Act of 1968 required them by law. Break action guns that do have a
serial number will have one on the action, not the barrel, as the BATF
considers the action (receiver) to be the firearm, not barrel, stock, etc.
My 30-30 doesn't have one either.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: jobo_18_01 [mailto:jobo_18@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:28 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: model 219 book
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J.B. BOREN"
scope, i can't even find one under the but plate.
wrote:
don't even
25-20.
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I need the years of manufacture for the Stevens Model 15 single-shot 22 rifles, if anyone has a resource that lists these dates. I've tried web searches to no avail.
thx,
jbb
Help me out here.Last year I picked up a mod.111F in .270 (I think
it's great shoots a tight group ugly as sin,just like my pit bull
yea,I love'em both).Last yeek I came across a mod.110F in a .270.And
I love the 111 so much,I bought it has for 250 new in the box I had
too.My question is why the two model numbers,they are the same rifle
at least on the surface.
Blake
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257|257|2003-08-11 21:07:10|Mark Crowder|Stevens mod 59B- Saiga 410 Slugs|it's great shoots a tight group ugly as sin,just like my pit bull
yea,I love'em both).Last yeek I came across a mod.110F in a .270.And
I love the 111 so much,I bought it has for 250 new in the box I had
too.My question is why the two model numbers,they are the same rifle
at least on the surface.
Blake
I have a Stevens Mod. 59B bolt action 410. Indiana now allows deer
hunting with 410 shotguns with rifled slugs. My question is this, is
it safe to fire the Russian made, metal cased slugs in this gun. I
believe they are the slugs for he Saiga 410 semi auto rifle. Thanks
Don
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258|257|2003-08-12 16:10:00|Bruce|Re: Stevens mod 59B- Saiga 410 Slugs|hunting with 410 shotguns with rifled slugs. My question is this, is
it safe to fire the Russian made, metal cased slugs in this gun. I
believe they are the slugs for he Saiga 410 semi auto rifle. Thanks
Don
I would only shoot american made ammo. I have the ran ger version of
this same shotgun, I use federal ammo for it.
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259|259|2003-10-11 18:46:09|Mark Crowder|savage Mod 59B|this same shotgun, I use federal ammo for it.
Just wondering if anyone out there has ever scoped or put iron sights
on a 59B .410. Getting ready to put some on mine ,,,havent decided to
go with a scope or iron sights. Open to suggestions
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262|262|2003-10-30 01:04:58|dgunny1212|Parts|on a 59B .410. Getting ready to put some on mine ,,,havent decided to
go with a scope or iron sights. Open to suggestions
Have quite a few Savage parts. Let me know needs.
Dave
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263|263|2003-11-03 22:53:14|Doyle C. Frazier Jr.|New Member|Dave
I just joined this group. I have about 20 99's and other Savage
firearms. Sounds like the right place to be. I have alway prefered
lever actions and my favorite is the 99.
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264|263|2003-11-03 22:59:11|J B Boren|Re: New Member|firearms. Sounds like the right place to be. I have alway prefered
lever actions and my favorite is the 99.
Welcome to the group. This is a pretty quiet group; not going to clog up
your inbox, but there are some very knowledgable folks on the list, esp.
concerning the Savage 99s.
We are really more the occasional-question-and-answer type group, rather
than an active discussion group like some others. And so far, I have
managed to keep the spam completely clear of this group.
Thanks for joining up!
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: Doyle C. Frazier Jr. [mailto:dcfish@...]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:49 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] New Member
I just joined this group. I have about 20 99's and other Savage
firearms. Sounds like the right place to be. I have alway prefered
lever actions and my favorite is the 99.
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265|263|2003-11-03 23:21:36|DesertRam|Re: New Member|your inbox, but there are some very knowledgable folks on the list, esp.
concerning the Savage 99s.
We are really more the occasional-question-and-answer type group, rather
than an active discussion group like some others. And so far, I have
managed to keep the spam completely clear of this group.
Thanks for joining up!
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: Doyle C. Frazier Jr. [mailto:dcfish@...]
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:49 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] New Member
I just joined this group. I have about 20 99's and other Savage
firearms. Sounds like the right place to be. I have alway prefered
lever actions and my favorite is the 99.
Yep, it's a slow group, but I hope a knowlegeable one. I have a Savage 99 made probably 45-50 years ago, or whenever they were fairly new. It's in excellent condition, almost like new.
J B Boren
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266|263|2003-11-03 23:31:10|J B Boren|Re: 99 DOM - was New Member|J B Boren
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If you'll give me the serial number and/or the lever boss number, I can give you the year-of-manufacture on that 99.
(The lever boss number is a little letter/number in a circle, stamped on the front of the lever boss, just in front of the trigger.)
Then, if you are interested, make me on offer on it... :-)
thx,
jbb
1052069. Must be the serial # because I see no other number. Sorry, but this is probably my favorite rifle. I'm gonna keep it and pass it on to my grandson.
J B Boren
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268|268|2004-01-08 22:15:55|J B Boren|need some data to complete Sav 99 table|J B Boren
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If any of you have a few minutes of spare time, I'd like to request some data from you from your Savage 99s. I am preparing a serial number table by year of manufacture. The ones I've seen all stop about 1950, and I'm trying to extend this through 1970.
If you could email me the serial number (or at least the first five digits with x placeholders, if you prefer) and the date code, I'll compile the data and then post it to the list later. The date code is stamped in an oval on the front of the lever boss in front of the trigger. It appears on guns manufactured between 1949 and 1970 or '71. It consists of a letter and a number.
I am primarily interested in 99s with serial numbers between 520,000 and 1,200,000.
You can post to the list or email this information directly to me at borenjb@...
Thanks for you help in this!
jbb
listowner
I need a favor from anyone on the list who is willing to participate.
I am trying to compile a serial number table for the post 1950 Savage 99s, at least through 1970.
To do this, I need volunteers to look on their post-1950 99s, and email me the serial number (first 5 digits is fine if you don't like disclosing the whole thing) and the date code.
The date code is stamped on the front side of the lever boss, in front of the trigger. It consists of a letter and a number in side an oval. Some are a bit hard to read, but if you can make it out, please send the code along with the serial number as this will help me with my chart. Once I get some reasonable results, I'll put a file in the files section of the list homepage.
If you don't wish to respond to the list, email the information to me directly at borenjb@....
Thanks for your help on this!!!
jbb
listowner
im not sure if my last post went though... but im looking for a
savage 1899a in the .308 caliber for a friend.. if anyone is selling
one or knows who is... let me know, any help will be appreciated...
thanks
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271|270|2004-03-16 19:00:05|J B Boren|Re: looking for a savage 1899a in .308|savage 1899a in the .308 caliber for a friend.. if anyone is selling
one or knows who is... let me know, any help will be appreciated...
thanks
I think you mean a 99A, rather than an 1899A (there's a big difference).
I've seen several for sale on Gunbroker.com lately...they tend to sell for
around $500. You might also do a search on GunsAmerica.com.
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: vampire_of_dementia [mailto:stealth_predator2000@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:19 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] looking for a savage 1899a in .308
im not sure if my last post went though... but im looking for a
savage 1899a in the .308 caliber for a friend.. if anyone is selling
one or knows who is... let me know, any help will be appreciated...
thanks
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272|270|2004-03-17 01:45:33|vampire_of_dementia|Re: looking for a savage 1899a in .308|I've seen several for sale on Gunbroker.com lately...they tend to sell for
around $500. You might also do a search on GunsAmerica.com.
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: vampire_of_dementia [mailto:stealth_predator2000@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:19 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] looking for a savage 1899a in .308
im not sure if my last post went though... but im looking for a
savage 1899a in the .308 caliber for a friend.. if anyone is selling
one or knows who is... let me know, any help will be appreciated...
thanks
yeah.. youre right, sorry, 99a... and ive looked on gunbroker,
actionarms, and gunsamerica.com and didnt find any in .308
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sell for
selling
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273|273|2004-03-30 03:42:55|Aaron Hicks|I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.|actionarms, and gunsamerica.com and didnt find any in .308
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sell for
selling
Guys,
I'm looking to find a scope mount for a savage 99. This is one of the
newer savages without the round counter. The serial number is C161***,
if this helps. I seems to be predrilled for scope mounts. I would
prefer to find weaver style mounts. Anyone got an idea of where to
look?
Thanks
Aaron
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274|270|2004-03-30 03:50:02|Aaron Hicks|Re: looking for a savage 1899a in .308|I'm looking to find a scope mount for a savage 99. This is one of the
newer savages without the round counter. The serial number is C161***,
if this helps. I seems to be predrilled for scope mounts. I would
prefer to find weaver style mounts. Anyone got an idea of where to
look?
Thanks
Aaron
vampire,
I sorry to let you know that I just picked up a savage 99 in .308.
Some guy shoot it with the bore site in the barrel. Then they cut the
barrel off. I bought it for 200 and the gunsmith re-crowned the barrel
for me for nothing. Sorry to tell you but it's not for sell. Good luck
in your search.
Aaron
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275|273|2004-03-30 18:33:17|J B Boren|Re: I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.|I sorry to let you know that I just picked up a savage 99 in .308.
Some guy shoot it with the bore site in the barrel. Then they cut the
barrel off. I bought it for 200 and the gunsmith re-crowned the barrel
for me for nothing. Sorry to tell you but it's not for sell. Good luck
in your search.
Aaron
Below are three options. The first is a Burris one-piece mount. The second
is a Leupold one-piece mount. Three and four are the Rear and Front
(respectively) Weaver two-piece mounts
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/741650
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/536586
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/170180
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/338568
Hope this helps.
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hicks [mailto:daguenet@...]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:42 PM
To: savage firearms
Subject: [Savage-firearms] I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.
Guys,
I'm looking to find a scope mount for a savage 99. This is one of the
newer savages without the round counter. The serial number is C161***, if
this helps. I seems to be predrilled for scope mounts. I would prefer to
find weaver style mounts. Anyone got an idea of where to look?
Thanks
Aaron
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276|273|2004-03-31 01:22:40|Aaron Hicks|Re: I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.|is a Leupold one-piece mount. Three and four are the Rear and Front
(respectively) Weaver two-piece mounts
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/741650
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/536586
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/170180
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/338568
Hope this helps.
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hicks [mailto:daguenet@...]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:42 PM
To: savage firearms
Subject: [Savage-firearms] I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.
Guys,
I'm looking to find a scope mount for a savage 99. This is one of the
newer savages without the round counter. The serial number is C161***, if
this helps. I seems to be predrilled for scope mounts. I would prefer to
find weaver style mounts. Anyone got an idea of where to look?
Thanks
Aaron
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jb,
Thanks, just what I was looking for. I have ordered on of each of
front and rear Weaver mounts.
Thanks again
Aaron
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277|273|2004-03-31 01:31:38|J B Boren|Re: I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.|Thanks, just what I was looking for. I have ordered on of each of
front and rear Weaver mounts.
Thanks again
Aaron
That's great...glad it was what you were after. I've done business with
MidwayUSA for years and they are good folks with fair prices. If they don't
have it, I also like natchezss.com and midsouth.com. Widener's is good too.
One thing I've found with the later 99s, some of them aren't drilled/tapped
quite true. If you are lucky, or have an older gun, this won't be an issue.
If not, your two-piece mounts will make it tough to get the scope sighted
in. If this is indeed the case, one of the one-piece mounts will fix
it...you can move the rear ring around with the Burris base (I don't have a
Leupold, so I don't know about it).
Hopefully, your rifle was drilled true and it won't be an issue.
Good luck with it.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hicks [mailto:daguenet@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:22 PM
To: savage firearms
Subject: RE: [Savage-firearms] I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.
jb,
Thanks, just what I was looking for. I have ordered on of each of front
and rear Weaver mounts.
Thanks again
Aaron
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278|273|2004-03-31 01:43:01|Aaron Hicks|Re: I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.|MidwayUSA for years and they are good folks with fair prices. If they don't
have it, I also like natchezss.com and midsouth.com. Widener's is good too.
One thing I've found with the later 99s, some of them aren't drilled/tapped
quite true. If you are lucky, or have an older gun, this won't be an issue.
If not, your two-piece mounts will make it tough to get the scope sighted
in. If this is indeed the case, one of the one-piece mounts will fix
it...you can move the rear ring around with the Burris base (I don't have a
Leupold, so I don't know about it).
Hopefully, your rifle was drilled true and it won't be an issue.
Good luck with it.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hicks [mailto:daguenet@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:22 PM
To: savage firearms
Subject: RE: [Savage-firearms] I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.
jb,
Thanks, just what I was looking for. I have ordered on of each of front
and rear Weaver mounts.
Thanks again
Aaron
The tip on the drilling is good to know. I will watch out for that.
They look true to me but then I'm not machinest. They do line up with a
straight edge so maybe I will be lucky.
Thanks again.
Aaron
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279|273|2004-04-12 18:25:15|Ken Brown|Re: I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.|They look true to me but then I'm not machinest. They do line up with a
straight edge so maybe I will be lucky.
Thanks again.
Aaron
Good morning.
I prefer Weaver mounts for my Savages. I have not bought any new in
years and do not know if they are in current production. The front
and rear mounts are different and were sold individually.
If you choose Weaver mounts, my advice would be to visit older,
established gun shops and ask around. Many established shops tend to
have a lot of misc. floating around. My second suggestion is to make
the gun shows and look for the tables piled high with odds and ends.
Good luck
Ken
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C161***,
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280|273|2004-04-12 20:51:07|Aaron Hicks|Re: I'm looking for scope mounts for a savage 99.|I prefer Weaver mounts for my Savages. I have not bought any new in
years and do not know if they are in current production. The front
and rear mounts are different and were sold individually.
If you choose Weaver mounts, my advice would be to visit older,
established gun shops and ask around. Many established shops tend to
have a lot of misc. floating around. My second suggestion is to make
the gun shows and look for the tables piled high with odds and ends.
Good luck
Ken
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C161***,
Thanks for in suggestions Ken, I have already gotten the scope mounts I
needed thanks to JB for the Midway URL's. Now have a Bushnel 3X9 scope
on my short barreled .308 Savage 99. I will take it out to the range
this coming weekend and sight it in:). Got to love those old lever
actions:).
Aaron
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281|273|2004-04-12 20:57:17|J B Boren|Re: I'm looking for scope mounts for asavage 99.|needed thanks to JB for the Midway URL's. Now have a Bushnel 3X9 scope
on my short barreled .308 Savage 99. I will take it out to the range
this coming weekend and sight it in:). Got to love those old lever
actions:).
Aaron
Ken's reply was actually timely (dated 4-6), but somehow it slipped my
attention. This has happened to me a few times in the past...a moderated
email will show up but miss my attention, and not get posted in a timely
way.
I apologize to Ken for the delay. Unfortunately, in order to keep the spam
off the list, I have to keep new members moderated, which means from
time-to-time, I'll miss approving a few of them.
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hicks [mailto:daguenet@...]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:51 PM
To: savage firearms
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Re: I'm looking for scope mounts for asavage
99.
Thanks for in suggestions Ken, I have already gotten the scope mounts I
needed thanks to JB for the Midway URL's. Now have a Bushnel 3X9 scope on
my short barreled .308 Savage 99. I will take it out to the range this
coming weekend and sight it in:). Got to love those old lever actions:).
Aaron
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282|282|2004-07-07 17:43:23|fallschirmjaeger2002|Savage Model 20|attention. This has happened to me a few times in the past...a moderated
email will show up but miss my attention, and not get posted in a timely
way.
I apologize to Ken for the delay. Unfortunately, in order to keep the spam
off the list, I have to keep new members moderated, which means from
time-to-time, I'll miss approving a few of them.
jbb
listowner
-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Hicks [mailto:daguenet@...]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:51 PM
To: savage firearms
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Re: I'm looking for scope mounts for asavage
99.
Thanks for in suggestions Ken, I have already gotten the scope mounts I
needed thanks to JB for the Midway URL's. Now have a Bushnel 3X9 scope on
my short barreled .308 Savage 99. I will take it out to the range this
coming weekend and sight it in:). Got to love those old lever actions:).
Aaron
Does anyone know anything about a Bolt action that Savage made in the
1920s known as the Model 2o. I saw one once in a Gun Shop near where
I live and thought that it looked rather interesting.
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283|282|2004-07-16 05:25:35|Ken Brown|Re: Savage Model 20|1920s known as the Model 2o. I saw one once in a Gun Shop near where
I live and thought that it looked rather interesting.
No, but I do remember they made a 22 pump with an octogan barrel. It
was either a Model 25 or a Model 29. Fine shooting rifle, but I let
it get away. Always trading for something else!
Ken
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284|284|2004-09-10 17:16:11|r40xb|1895 32-40 Sav. safety screw|was either a Model 25 or a Model 29. Fine shooting rifle, but I let
it get away. Always trading for something else!
Ken
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I have a rifle with a missing screw. There is a place for a screw to
prodrude through the lever and act as a catch on the safety so the
lever cannot be opened. The safety works fine as far as the trigger
is concerned, but without the screw, the action can be opened while
the safety is engaged. I just double checked the "screw hole" with a
pencil only to find no threads. Now I'm really puzzled. I anyone
familiar with this? Thanks.
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285|285|2004-11-04 18:33:02|guntradinguy|SAVAGE MODEL 20|prodrude through the lever and act as a catch on the safety so the
lever cannot be opened. The safety works fine as far as the trigger
is concerned, but without the screw, the action can be opened while
the safety is engaged. I just double checked the "screw hole" with a
pencil only to find no threads. Now I'm really puzzled. I anyone
familiar with this? Thanks.
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286|286|2004-12-14 21:00:33|clare44man|.300 savage reloads?|CALIBER, BUT AM CURRENTLY KEEN ON THE 250-3000 CALIBER. PLEASE SEND
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I'm the new owner of a beautiful 99 produced in 1940. As I have not
loaded the 300 before, and info, load, shortcuts, or 'watch out
for's' will be appreciated. Thanks 44 Man
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287|286|2004-12-14 21:11:42|Dr J B Boren|Re: .300 savage reloads?|loaded the 300 before, and info, load, shortcuts, or 'watch out
for's' will be appreciated. Thanks 44 Man
The 300 Savage is an excellent deer-killer, in spite of its supposed
velocity limitations. With modern powders, bullets up to 180 grains can be
driven from 2500 - 2600 fps, and drop deer in their tracks.
I personally like the 130- and 150-gn bullets in the 300. The 150-gn Barnes
X or Nosler BT will kill just about anything in the medium-game set. The
Nosler Partition, Swift A-frame, or Comb. Tech. Fail-safe will kill elk and
bear just as well. Sierra Gamekings also perform well on deer-sized game,
if you want a less-expensive bullet that still is just as accurate as the
premiums. I haven't loaded the Speer Hot-Cor or Hornady bullets in the 300,
but I expect they'll perform just as well.
I like IMR 4895 in the 300 Savage. I have had excellent results with 40.0
grains IMR 4895 with the Sierra 150-gn SPT using a WLR primer and either RP
or WW brass.
I haven't tried Reloder 15 yet, but guess it would be a good performer, as
would Ramshot Biggame or 4064.
Don't worry too much about the hype that seating a long bullet into the case
will cause problems...it doesn't. I've loaded Sierra 180-gn SBTs, which
seat well back into the case, without issue. Since you bought a 300 Savage,
you obviously know it isn't a 300 magnum, nor do you want a 300 magnum, so
you'll be fine there.
Enjoy.
jbb
albuquerque
-----Original Message-----
From: clare44man [mailto:clare44man@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] .300 savage reloads?
I'm the new owner of a beautiful 99 produced in 1940. As I have not loaded
the 300 before, and info, load, shortcuts, or 'watch out for's' will be
appreciated. Thanks 44 Man
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288|286|2004-12-15 17:39:09|Ken Brown|Re: .300 savage reloads?|velocity limitations. With modern powders, bullets up to 180 grains can be
driven from 2500 - 2600 fps, and drop deer in their tracks.
I personally like the 130- and 150-gn bullets in the 300. The 150-gn Barnes
X or Nosler BT will kill just about anything in the medium-game set. The
Nosler Partition, Swift A-frame, or Comb. Tech. Fail-safe will kill elk and
bear just as well. Sierra Gamekings also perform well on deer-sized game,
if you want a less-expensive bullet that still is just as accurate as the
premiums. I haven't loaded the Speer Hot-Cor or Hornady bullets in the 300,
but I expect they'll perform just as well.
I like IMR 4895 in the 300 Savage. I have had excellent results with 40.0
grains IMR 4895 with the Sierra 150-gn SPT using a WLR primer and either RP
or WW brass.
I haven't tried Reloder 15 yet, but guess it would be a good performer, as
would Ramshot Biggame or 4064.
Don't worry too much about the hype that seating a long bullet into the case
will cause problems...it doesn't. I've loaded Sierra 180-gn SBTs, which
seat well back into the case, without issue. Since you bought a 300 Savage,
you obviously know it isn't a 300 magnum, nor do you want a 300 magnum, so
you'll be fine there.
Enjoy.
jbb
albuquerque
-----Original Message-----
From: clare44man [mailto:clare44man@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:58 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] .300 savage reloads?
I'm the new owner of a beautiful 99 produced in 1940. As I have not loaded
the 300 before, and info, load, shortcuts, or 'watch out for's' will be
appreciated. Thanks 44 Man
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Good Morning.
When I reloaded for my 300's (I have two) I primarily used a 150gn
pointed soft point bullet, and I was using the slower burning 3031
powder. I had tried some 170 and 180 grain round nose bullets but
was not impressed with them. I did begin loading the 165gn boattail
bullet, and was very impressed with it.
The majority of my hunting was woods and brush. The longest openings
I had were less than 200 yards. Your individual conditions may call
for different bullet weights and powders. There are many new powders
which I have not tried.
If I were to offer any advice, it would be to double or tripple check
your reloading books. Some powders have changed over time.
Ken
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289|289|2004-12-15 18:29:31|alongcountryroads|Silhouette shooting|When I reloaded for my 300's (I have two) I primarily used a 150gn
pointed soft point bullet, and I was using the slower burning 3031
powder. I had tried some 170 and 180 grain round nose bullets but
was not impressed with them. I did begin loading the 165gn boattail
bullet, and was very impressed with it.
The majority of my hunting was woods and brush. The longest openings
I had were less than 200 yards. Your individual conditions may call
for different bullet weights and powders. There are many new powders
which I have not tried.
If I were to offer any advice, it would be to double or tripple check
your reloading books. Some powders have changed over time.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "clare44man"
I wonder if any in the group have seen or better yet, have shot in
silhouette events with the Savage 99 in say, .300, .308, or .358
calibers. Would be interested in your experiences. From another
forum, I gather accuracy to be on par with many bolt action field
rifles. Thanks for your experiences and input.
shep madera
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290|289|2004-12-15 18:46:41|Dr J B Boren|Re: Silhouette shooting|silhouette events with the Savage 99 in say, .300, .308, or .358
calibers. Would be interested in your experiences. From another
forum, I gather accuracy to be on par with many bolt action field
rifles. Thanks for your experiences and input.
shep madera
I have never shot in a silhouette event. I own 99s in each of these
calibers, and all a a joy to shoot. My 308 will match any
non-tactical/target bolt gun in the same caliber. The 358 also does well
(2" @ 100 y) and my pair of 300s both shoot into 2 inches as well. Very
much "minute-of-silhouette". If I ever get a chance to shoot in that type
of event, I'll try one of them (probably the 308).
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: alongcountryroads [mailto:alongcountryroads@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:39 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Silhouette shooting
I wonder if any in the group have seen or better yet, have shot in
silhouette events with the Savage 99 in say, .300, .308, or .358 calibers.
Would be interested in your experiences. From another forum, I gather
accuracy to be on par with many bolt action field rifles. Thanks for your
experiences and input.
shep madera
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291|286|2004-12-16 07:30:17|r40xb|Re: .300 savage reloads?|calibers, and all a a joy to shoot. My 308 will match any
non-tactical/target bolt gun in the same caliber. The 358 also does well
(2" @ 100 y) and my pair of 300s both shoot into 2 inches as well. Very
much "minute-of-silhouette". If I ever get a chance to shoot in that type
of event, I'll try one of them (probably the 308).
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: alongcountryroads [mailto:alongcountryroads@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:39 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Silhouette shooting
I wonder if any in the group have seen or better yet, have shot in
silhouette events with the Savage 99 in say, .300, .308, or .358 calibers.
Would be interested in your experiences. From another forum, I gather
accuracy to be on par with many bolt action field rifles. Thanks for your
experiences and input.
shep madera
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The Savage 99 in 300 Sav. is a great deer gun. My uncle used bronze
tips and my dad used silver tips. Both had great success. My son
killed his first few deer with one. I started out with something else.
Maybe this will be the year I take out the .300
Here are some loads that I've been working on. You will be pretty
lucky if you can come up with some HiVel #2:
35.0 Hi Vel #2 and 36.5 Hi Vel #2 with a Federal Magnum Primer and a
150 gr. Hornady Spire Point
39.5 IMR 4064 with a CCI 200 Primer and a 150 Hornady Spire Point
11.0 Unique with a CCI 200 Primer and a Lee 90368/C309-170-F bullet.
13.0 Unique with a CCI 200 Primer and a Lee 90368/C309-170-F bullet.
15.75 Hercules 2400 with a Win WLR Primer and a Lee 90368/C309-170-F
bullet (1 hole 5 shot group 50 yds).
16.0 Hercules 2400 with a Win WLR Primer and a Lee 90368/C309-170-F
bullet (1 hole 5 shot group 50 yds).
r40xb
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292|292|2004-12-17 18:04:05|pabloaa|SAVAGE BOLT GUNS|The Savage 99 in 300 Sav. is a great deer gun. My uncle used bronze
tips and my dad used silver tips. Both had great success. My son
killed his first few deer with one. I started out with something else.
Maybe this will be the year I take out the .300
Here are some loads that I've been working on. You will be pretty
lucky if you can come up with some HiVel #2:
35.0 Hi Vel #2 and 36.5 Hi Vel #2 with a Federal Magnum Primer and a
150 gr. Hornady Spire Point
39.5 IMR 4064 with a CCI 200 Primer and a 150 Hornady Spire Point
11.0 Unique with a CCI 200 Primer and a Lee 90368/C309-170-F bullet.
13.0 Unique with a CCI 200 Primer and a Lee 90368/C309-170-F bullet.
15.75 Hercules 2400 with a Win WLR Primer and a Lee 90368/C309-170-F
bullet (1 hole 5 shot group 50 yds).
16.0 Hercules 2400 with a Win WLR Primer and a Lee 90368/C309-170-F
bullet (1 hole 5 shot group 50 yds).
r40xb
Any interest in modifying the 110 bolt guns?
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293|292|2004-12-17 18:08:38|Dr J B Boren|Re: SAVAGE BOLT GUNS|My ownership is strictly 99s and 29s. I don't own a 110. However, I've
been considering getting a 12BVSS in 204 Ruger. If anybody has shot one,
please let me know how it did.
Jbb
Albuquerque
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To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] SAVAGE BOLT GUNS
Any interest in modifying the 110 bolt guns?
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294|292|2004-12-18 06:16:38|Ken Brown|Re: SAVAGE BOLT GUNS|been considering getting a 12BVSS in 204 Ruger. If anybody has shot one,
please let me know how it did.
Jbb
Albuquerque
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To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] SAVAGE BOLT GUNS
Any interest in modifying the 110 bolt guns?
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Good evening.
Modifying how???
Most bolt actions can be improved by glass bedding the stock.
Many can be improved by a custom trigger, or by some stone and polish
work on the existing trigger.
I have known people to replace firing pins with custom made pins
because they were worried about crystalization of the metal.
I should mention here that many "modifications" will void the
manufacturer's warrenty.
If you are a serious shooter, the first (and only) modification I
would suggest (for a few years) is to sit down at the range and fire
that rifle with every brand and type of ammunition that you will be
using, and do this in different weather conditions.
Know your rifle. Know its' limitations. Know which ammunition
preforms best in which conditions.
I am amazed at how many shooters go out in the summer, sight in a
rifle when it is 90 degrees and they are wearing a tee shirt, and then
wonder why it does not perform when the temperature is 30 degrees, and
they are wearing six layers of clothing!
And yes, I had considered the 110/112 series bolt action rifles. I
have considered one in 7/08 for about 10 years now, and I am still
considering it. At my age, I don't get in a hurry about anything.
Also Unasked for Advice: Buy a quality lubricant that is not affected
by adverse weather conditions.
Ken
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295|292|2004-12-19 06:48:25|paul fowler|Re: SAVAGE BOLT GUNS|Modifying how???
Most bolt actions can be improved by glass bedding the stock.
Many can be improved by a custom trigger, or by some stone and polish
work on the existing trigger.
I have known people to replace firing pins with custom made pins
because they were worried about crystalization of the metal.
I should mention here that many "modifications" will void the
manufacturer's warrenty.
If you are a serious shooter, the first (and only) modification I
would suggest (for a few years) is to sit down at the range and fire
that rifle with every brand and type of ammunition that you will be
using, and do this in different weather conditions.
Know your rifle. Know its' limitations. Know which ammunition
preforms best in which conditions.
I am amazed at how many shooters go out in the summer, sight in a
rifle when it is 90 degrees and they are wearing a tee shirt, and then
wonder why it does not perform when the temperature is 30 degrees, and
they are wearing six layers of clothing!
And yes, I had considered the 110/112 series bolt action rifles. I
have considered one in 7/08 for about 10 years now, and I am still
considering it. At my age, I don't get in a hurry about anything.
Also Unasked for Advice: Buy a quality lubricant that is not affected
by adverse weather conditions.
Ken
Dr,
I got envolved with the 110's in the late 1960's. I ran a small gunshop in Santa Clara.
At the time they were the only manufacturer that would sell actions separately to be used for custom rifles. At the time I built a lot of M70's, but they were expensive as I had to buy complete rifles to obtain actions.
Your choice of M 12 bvss in 204, I am sure will/would not be a disappointment. It is a fine piece. I have worked with many smaller than 224 bores for many years (.172, .19, 5mm). The .19 cal. has a slight ballistic advantage all else being equal, but the 5 mm (.204) will prove more popular with factory support.
For a factory trigger the Accu-trigger is excellent
"When you change the way you look at things,
The things you look at change!"
Paul 
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Hello all,
Hard to pick a place to start. Kinda got off track. Original
plan was to develop SWAP bbl/system that required NO special gages
etc. This link will take you to a webpage concerning long range
tests of 110's <mrheng@... (32")for Marine Corps.
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297|296|2005-01-10 18:35:30|Dr J B Boren|Re: Modifying Bolt Rifles|Hard to pick a place to start. Kinda got off track. Original
plan was to develop SWAP bbl/system that required NO special gages
etc. This link will take you to a webpage concerning long range
tests of 110's <mrheng@... (32")for Marine Corps.
My understanding with the 110s and the like is that you only need to
headspace once, then put witness marks on the barrel nut and receiver, and
you can put the thing back together the same way again later.
jbb
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From: pabloaa [mailto:pabloaa@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:33 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Modifying Bolt Rifles
Hello all,
Hard to pick a place to start. Kinda got off track. Original plan was
to develop SWAP bbl/system that required NO special gages etc. This link
will take you to a webpage concerning long range tests of 110's
<mrheng@...
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298|296|2005-01-10 21:20:29|pabloaa|Re: Modifying Bolt Rifles|headspace once, then put witness marks on the barrel nut and receiver, and
you can put the thing back together the same way again later.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: pabloaa [mailto:pabloaa@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 4:33 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Modifying Bolt Rifles
Hello all,
Hard to pick a place to start. Kinda got off track. Original plan was
to develop SWAP bbl/system that required NO special gages etc. This link
will take you to a webpage concerning long range tests of 110's
<mrheng@...
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headspace gage. My/our system eliminates the need for any gages(or
marking of any sort)!
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299|299|2005-01-10 21:49:34|pabloaa|Bolt Rifle Mods|headspace gage. My/our system eliminates the need for any gages(or
marking of any sort)!
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300|300|2005-01-19 05:55:08|cestmoilody|Savage 219/220|I'm sorry to crash your list like this, but I have a few quick
questions, and then I'll leave.
I am temporarily in charge of my uncle's estate. He lost his entire
home to a fire in December, and we are putting together a "book" on
contents lost for insurance claims. He had/has a Savage 219/220
that we cannot find the book value on. The stock was burned off,
but we were able to find the barrels, etc in the rubble to get the
serial numbers etc. Is there anyone here who could find it in the
kindness of their hearts to give us a brief idea of the value, or
where we can find it online? The two feet thick pile of gun
collectors books that I brought home from the library doesn't have
this model, and online blue book values are not easily accessible
nor free.
Also, would the heat from the fire destroy the tempering of the
guns? Can they be restored? They are currently being soaked in oil
to keep them from rusting.
All suggestions welcomed. THANK YOU!
Melody
|
301|300|2005-01-19 06:02:23|Dr J B Boren|Re: Savage 219/220|questions, and then I'll leave.
I am temporarily in charge of my uncle's estate. He lost his entire
home to a fire in December, and we are putting together a "book" on
contents lost for insurance claims. He had/has a Savage 219/220
that we cannot find the book value on. The stock was burned off,
but we were able to find the barrels, etc in the rubble to get the
serial numbers etc. Is there anyone here who could find it in the
kindness of their hearts to give us a brief idea of the value, or
where we can find it online? The two feet thick pile of gun
collectors books that I brought home from the library doesn't have
this model, and online blue book values are not easily accessible
nor free.
Also, would the heat from the fire destroy the tempering of the
guns? Can they be restored? They are currently being soaked in oil
to keep them from rusting.
All suggestions welcomed. THANK YOU!
Melody
BBGV gives a value of around $200 for a 30-30 and $225 or so for any other
calibers. My experience suggests that these values are a bit low, as I've
seen them sell for more on the internet auctions. This value would be for a
gun in 100% condition; no idea what condition yours was in before the fire.
I would talk to a metallurgist/good gunsmith before rebuilding the gun. It
is very likely that the heat of a house fire annealed the steel and softened
it significantly. I personally would not fire such a gun.
What is the caliber of the rifle barrel? I assume the other barrel is a
shotgun...what gauge?
jbb
albuquerque
-----Original Message-----
From: cestmoilody [mailto:melody@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:55 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Savage 219/220
I'm sorry to crash your list like this, but I have a few quick questions,
and then I'll leave.
I am temporarily in charge of my uncle's estate. He lost his entire home to
a fire in December, and we are putting together a "book" on contents lost
for insurance claims. He had/has a Savage 219/220 that we cannot find the
book value on. The stock was burned off, but we were able to find the
barrels, etc in the rubble to get the serial numbers etc. Is there anyone
here who could find it in the kindness of their hearts to give us a brief
idea of the value, or where we can find it online? The two feet thick pile
of gun collectors books that I brought home from the library doesn't have
this model, and online blue book values are not easily accessible nor free.
Also, would the heat from the fire destroy the tempering of the guns? Can
they be restored? They are currently being soaked in oil to keep them from
rusting.
All suggestions welcomed. THANK YOU!
Melody
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302|302|2005-02-09 17:55:55|alanrockwood2000|A theory...|calibers. My experience suggests that these values are a bit low, as I've
seen them sell for more on the internet auctions. This value would be for a
gun in 100% condition; no idea what condition yours was in before the fire.
I would talk to a metallurgist/good gunsmith before rebuilding the gun. It
is very likely that the heat of a house fire annealed the steel and softened
it significantly. I personally would not fire such a gun.
What is the caliber of the rifle barrel? I assume the other barrel is a
shotgun...what gauge?
jbb
albuquerque
-----Original Message-----
From: cestmoilody [mailto:melody@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:55 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Savage 219/220
I'm sorry to crash your list like this, but I have a few quick questions,
and then I'll leave.
I am temporarily in charge of my uncle's estate. He lost his entire home to
a fire in December, and we are putting together a "book" on contents lost
for insurance claims. He had/has a Savage 219/220 that we cannot find the
book value on. The stock was burned off, but we were able to find the
barrels, etc in the rubble to get the serial numbers etc. Is there anyone
here who could find it in the kindness of their hearts to give us a brief
idea of the value, or where we can find it online? The two feet thick pile
of gun collectors books that I brought home from the library doesn't have
this model, and online blue book values are not easily accessible nor free.
Also, would the heat from the fire destroy the tempering of the guns? Can
they be restored? They are currently being soaked in oil to keep them from
rusting.
All suggestions welcomed. THANK YOU!
Melody
OK, it's not really a theory, but I didn't know what to call it. What
are the chances that someone will start making the model 99 again? I
have one, and I think it is the best lever action ever made. Mine is
a 308 with clip magazine made in about 1974... wish I would have
bought the rotary magazine instead.
Now, for a wild dream... wouldn't a miniaturized action model 99
carbine in 7.62x39mm be a great short range deer gun? I got this idea
after looking at a CZ 527, a modified and miniaturized mauser 98 that
is available in 7.62x39. It's a beauty, and I almost bought one a few
months ago.
Alan
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303|302|2005-02-09 18:28:31|Dr J B Boren|Re: A theory...|are the chances that someone will start making the model 99 again? I
have one, and I think it is the best lever action ever made. Mine is
a 308 with clip magazine made in about 1974... wish I would have
bought the rotary magazine instead.
Now, for a wild dream... wouldn't a miniaturized action model 99
carbine in 7.62x39mm be a great short range deer gun? I got this idea
after looking at a CZ 527, a modified and miniaturized mauser 98 that
is available in 7.62x39. It's a beauty, and I almost bought one a few
months ago.
Alan
Very, very close to zero.
According to Savage, the retail cost on a 99, if produced today and a profit
made, would be in excess of $1000. I don't know many, even those who love
the 99, who would pay that much for one. Once the used prices climb above
that (and they are getting close on many models), then someone might license
the design, but I doubt it will ever happen. Whether we like it or not, the
era of the 99 as we knew it is pretty much gone.
As for the commie short, I don't think much of it at all; I certainly
wouldn't want one in a 99. But to each his/her own. I'd much rather have a
250 Savage as a short-range deer gun. And I do. ;-)
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: alanrockwood2000 [mailto:alanrockwood2000@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:33 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] A theory...
OK, it's not really a theory, but I didn't know what to call it. What are
the chances that someone will start making the model 99 again? I have one,
and I think it is the best lever action ever made. Mine is a 308 with clip
magazine made in about 1974... wish I would have bought the rotary magazine
instead.
Now, for a wild dream... wouldn't a miniaturized action model 99 carbine in
7.62x39mm be a great short range deer gun? I got this idea after looking at
a CZ 527, a modified and miniaturized mauser 98 that is available in
7.62x39. It's a beauty, and I almost bought one a few months ago.
Alan
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304|302|2005-02-11 06:33:45|Ken Brown|Re: A theory...|According to Savage, the retail cost on a 99, if produced today and a profit
made, would be in excess of $1000. I don't know many, even those who love
the 99, who would pay that much for one. Once the used prices climb above
that (and they are getting close on many models), then someone might license
the design, but I doubt it will ever happen. Whether we like it or not, the
era of the 99 as we knew it is pretty much gone.
As for the commie short, I don't think much of it at all; I certainly
wouldn't want one in a 99. But to each his/her own. I'd much rather have a
250 Savage as a short-range deer gun. And I do. ;-)
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: alanrockwood2000 [mailto:alanrockwood2000@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:33 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] A theory...
OK, it's not really a theory, but I didn't know what to call it. What are
the chances that someone will start making the model 99 again? I have one,
and I think it is the best lever action ever made. Mine is a 308 with clip
magazine made in about 1974... wish I would have bought the rotary magazine
instead.
Now, for a wild dream... wouldn't a miniaturized action model 99 carbine in
7.62x39mm be a great short range deer gun? I got this idea after looking at
a CZ 527, a modified and miniaturized mauser 98 that is available in
7.62x39. It's a beauty, and I almost bought one a few months ago.
Alan
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Savage will never produce the Model 99 again. It is cost prohibitive.
The last few years of production saw cuts in quality and workmanship
in an attempt to keep production cost low enough to retail the rifle.
If you want something in a .30 cal, then shop for a 30-30 carbine, and
handload your loads. Using 150 grain pointed bullets, the accuracy
and power will be better that the 7.62 x 39mm.
The load that I have used is:
30 grains of 3031 powder
150 grain pointed soft point bullet
large rifle primer
I do not say that load is the best, but it is what my rifle does well
with. When I bought my 30-30, about 30 years ago, it was from an
older gentleman whom I had known all my life. He was an avid shooter
and handloader. He was handloading for this rifle using a Lyman Tong
Tool that the original owner had used.
BTW: remember the bullet diameter of the 7.62 x 39mm is .311 inches,
compared to .308 inches for American 30 caliber ammunition.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "alanrockwood2000"
|
305|302|2005-02-12 19:51:43|alanrockwood2000|Re: A theory...|
The last few years of production saw cuts in quality and workmanship
in an attempt to keep production cost low enough to retail the rifle.
If you want something in a .30 cal, then shop for a 30-30 carbine, and
handload your loads. Using 150 grain pointed bullets, the accuracy
and power will be better that the 7.62 x 39mm.
The load that I have used is:
30 grains of 3031 powder
150 grain pointed soft point bullet
large rifle primer
I do not say that load is the best, but it is what my rifle does well
with. When I bought my 30-30, about 30 years ago, it was from an
older gentleman whom I had known all my life. He was an avid shooter
and handloader. He was handloading for this rifle using a Lyman Tong
Tool that the original owner had used.
BTW: remember the bullet diameter of the 7.62 x 39mm is .311 inches,
compared to .308 inches for American 30 caliber ammunition.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "alanrockwood2000"
I looked at a couple of CZ 527 rifles in 7.62x39 at a couple of local
gun shops. Each rifle comes with a test target from the manufacturer.
For both of the guns I looked at the test patterns were under one inch
at 100 meters, so I don't think the cartridge in inherently
inaccurate. It's just that the guns the cartridge is usually chambered
for are not very accurate.
On the cost of making the model 99, when I bought mine some 30 years
ago, and back then they cost about the same as the bolt action rifles
of that time. What I am wondering is this. If they could build a '99
for about the same as a bolt action gun back then, what has changed so
they couldn't do the same today? I don't think the designs of bolt
actions have changed significantly since then, and the '99 certainly
hasn't changed signficantly, so what changed?
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
|
306|302|2005-02-13 09:58:07|r40xb|Re: A theory...|
From: alanrockwood2000 [mailto:alanrockwood2000@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:52 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: A theory...
inaccurate. It's just that the guns the cartridge is usually chambered
for are not very accurate.
On the cost of making the model 99, when I bought mine some 30 years
ago, and back then they cost about the same as the bolt action rifles
of that time. What I am wondering is this. If they could build a '99
for about the same as a bolt action gun back then, what has changed so
they couldn't do the same today? I don't think the designs of bolt
actions have changed significantly since then, and the '99 certainly
hasn't changed signficantly, so what changed?
|
308|263|2005-04-07 18:15:43|Lynn and Michelle|New Member|
From: Lynn and Michelle [mailto:lynnandmichelle2003@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:04 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] New Member
Im a new member. Im 40 years old and live in Conroe Texas. Im really
wanting to buy a Savage 99 and hoped I could get some valuable
information here about them.
|
310|263|2005-04-07 18:21:35|Aaron Hicks|Re: New Member|
gun shops. Each rifle comes with a test target from the manufacturer.
For both of the guns I looked at the test patterns were under one inch
at 100 meters, so I don't think the cartridge in inherently
inaccurate. It's just that the guns the cartridge is usually chambered
for are not very accurate.
On the cost of making the model 99, when I bought mine some 30 years
ago, and back then they cost about the same as the bolt action rifles
of that time. What I am wondering is this. If they could build a '99
for about the same as a bolt action gun back then, what has changed so
they couldn't do the same today? I don't think the designs of bolt
actions have changed significantly since then, and the '99 certainly
hasn't changed signficantly, so what changed?
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
What you can do to achieve the 7.62x39 or 30 carbine balistics in a 99
is to use the reduced loads in some manuals or use cast bullets. They
can produce delightful results in the various Sav. 99 calibers. One
of my favorites is the Lee 30 cal. cast bullet in the .303 Sav.
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "alanrockwood2000"
manufacturer.
inch
chambered
rifles
so
prohibitive.
workmanship
rifle.
carbine, and
accuracy
well
shooter
Tong
inches,
What
again? I
Mine is
idea
that
a few
|
307|302|2005-02-14 19:23:08|Dr J B Boren|Re: A theory...|is to use the reduced loads in some manuals or use cast bullets. They
can produce delightful results in the various Sav. 99 calibers. One
of my favorites is the Lee 30 cal. cast bullet in the .303 Sav.
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "alanrockwood2000"
inch
chambered
rifles
so
prohibitive.
workmanship
rifle.
carbine, and
accuracy
well
shooter
Tong
inches,
What
again? I
Mine is
idea
that
a few
I don't think it's a questions of accuracy, but of adequacy. Not that the commie short isn't enough cartridge to kill a deer...it is. But the perceptions about it would prevent it from being very popular, and if a gun won't sell, it won't be made.
In terms of cost, what's changed is the conversion from hand labor to machine labor. (And, yes, actually, design of bolt actions has changed some...although not always successfully, e.g. Winchester XTR and Remington M710). If you compare a 99 receiver to a standard bolt receiver, there is a lot to it that cannot be done by machine labor, particulary with fitting the parts inside the receiver. The manual labor costs (benefits, taxes, etc.) are prohibitive. At around $1000 a gun (a figure given by Savage or a Savage expert), they couldn't sell enough of them to make a profit. I love the things, but I won't pay $1000 for a new one.
jbb
From: alanrockwood2000 [mailto:alanrockwood2000@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:52 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: A theory...
for are not very accurate.
On the cost of making the model 99, when I bought mine some 30 years
ago, and back then they cost about the same as the bolt action rifles
of that time. What I am wondering is this. If they could build a '99
for about the same as a bolt action gun back then, what has changed so
they couldn't do the same today? I don't think the designs of bolt
actions have changed significantly since then, and the '99 certainly
hasn't changed signficantly, so what changed?
Im a new member. Im 40 years old and live in Conroe Texas. Im really
wanting to buy a Savage 99 and hoped I could get some valuable
information here about them.
|
309|263|2005-04-07 18:20:50|Dr J B Boren|Re: New Member|wanting to buy a Savage 99 and hoped I could get some valuable
information here about them.
Glad to help. Ask away.
jbb
listowner
albuquerque
From: Lynn and Michelle [mailto:lynnandmichelle2003@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 6:04 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] New Member
Im a new member. Im 40 years old and live in Conroe Texas. Im really
wanting to buy a Savage 99 and hoped I could get some valuable
information here about them.
Lynn,
Nice to meet you. As to the Savage 99, they are a great gun. I have 3 of
them and just love them. If you get the older ons they have a round counter on
the side. I have one of the new ones that does not have the round counter. I'm
sure someone here can answer most of your questions, what do you want to know.
Aaron
Lynn and Michelle wrote:
|
311|311|2005-04-09 03:17:53|Lynn and Michelle|whats the best caliber for the 99|Nice to meet you. As to the Savage 99, they are a great gun. I have 3 of
them and just love them. If you get the older ons they have a round counter on
the side. I have one of the new ones that does not have the round counter. I'm
sure someone here can answer most of your questions, what do you want to know.
Aaron
Lynn and Michelle wrote:
I found a fairly nice 99 in .300 Sav. at at gun show a while back. It
looked like a fifties vintage model. It had the rotary magazine rather
than being clip fed. It also looked to be in pretty good shape. The
guy was asking $450 for it. I live in Texas and would like to use it
for hog hunting. I didnt buy that 99 even though I probably should
have. I also seen a later model clip fed model in .243 and another one
in .308. and they were both less expensive than the older one in
in .300 Sav. I guess my question is what 99 is better for the price.
And what caliber seems to be better in these rifles as far as
cycling,accuracy,etc.
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312|311|2005-04-09 05:24:48|Ken Brown|Re: whats the best caliber for the 99|looked like a fifties vintage model. It had the rotary magazine rather
than being clip fed. It also looked to be in pretty good shape. The
guy was asking $450 for it. I live in Texas and would like to use it
for hog hunting. I didnt buy that 99 even though I probably should
have. I also seen a later model clip fed model in .243 and another one
in .308. and they were both less expensive than the older one in
in .300 Sav. I guess my question is what 99 is better for the price.
And what caliber seems to be better in these rifles as far as
cycling,accuracy,etc.
Hello, Lynn.
The .300 Savage is a fine cartridge. I have owned one for over 30
yers, and now have my Father-in-Law's as well. It is an excellent
deer round for East Texas and South-East Texas, and is a great hog
round. It is "almost" the equal of the .308 and is much superior to
the 30-30.
Most of the people I know who hunt with it use the 150 grain bullet.
Some still use the 180 grain bullet, when they can find it. Several
years ago, I handloaded some 165 grain boat-tailed bullets, but did
not like their preformance in the .300 Savage.
Some of the things I would look for in all the different varieties of
Savages available would be:
1. Rotary magazine instead of removable magazine. The action is
smoother with the rotary. The older rifles have a brass rotary and a
counter in the side which lets you know how many cartridges are in the
rotary. Newer rifles do not have the counter, and the brass rotary
was replaced with an alloy rotary.
2. Quality of wood and wood to metal finish. Older rifles have
walnut stocks. Newer rifles have hardwood stained stocks. Older
rifles and heavier barreled rifles have the schnabel forend. It is
longer, and tapers at the end until it has a flared end piece. This
is a one piece forend with a lot of finish work in it. Newer rifles
have a shorter, rounded forend. Quality of wood to metal fit should
be very smooth and usually is in the older rifles.
3. Barrel thickness and taper. You may find some featherweight
rifles with lighter barrels. You will judge them yourself whether you
like them or not.
4. Quality of finish, both wood and metal. This will tell you a lot
about the care that has been taken with the rifle. Be careful to see
if the rifle has been refinished and reblued, if you are looking for
the rifle to increase in value over the years. While reblued rifles
usually are excellent shooters, the collector value has decreased.
5. Above all, check the rifling and the bore. Look for pitting in
the bore from poor cleaning and care.
6. Check to see how it "feels" when you put it to your shoulder. Is
the stock long enough. It may have been cut down over the years for a
youth or a woman shooter. (I "rescued" a .308 like that years ago.
The shop owner knew me and had worked on my Model 99's. He took in a
nice, later model in .308 that had about 2.5 inches of the stock cut
off. It took some work, but we got the stock back to the correct
length for me to shoot.)
7. Check the sights, and/or scope. Remember that some old models
were not drilled and tapped for scopes. While I am old and blind, you
are (probably) young enough to be able to shoot open sights.
As for other calibers, most of the cartridges that are still in
production are fine in this rifle. I would stay away from the .303
Savage if I wanted a hunting rifle. Besides the .300, I have Model
99's in .308, .250-3000 Savage, and 30-30. I had a fine old Model 99
in .243, but let a brother-in-law talk me out of it.
The only time I would ever but a clip magazine Model 99 would be if I
found one in .22-250. They made about 10,000 of these, all in the
Model C, clip magazine.
I have a project, now on the back burner, to take a Model 99 action,
rebarrel it in 7mm-08, put a synthetic stock on it, and scope it. I
believe this would be an excellent combination.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
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313|313|2005-04-09 13:26:12|Lynn and Michelle|Price?|
The .300 Savage is a fine cartridge. I have owned one for over 30
yers, and now have my Father-in-Law's as well. It is an excellent
deer round for East Texas and South-East Texas, and is a great hog
round. It is "almost" the equal of the .308 and is much superior to
the 30-30.
Most of the people I know who hunt with it use the 150 grain bullet.
Some still use the 180 grain bullet, when they can find it. Several
years ago, I handloaded some 165 grain boat-tailed bullets, but did
not like their preformance in the .300 Savage.
Some of the things I would look for in all the different varieties of
Savages available would be:
1. Rotary magazine instead of removable magazine. The action is
smoother with the rotary. The older rifles have a brass rotary and a
counter in the side which lets you know how many cartridges are in the
rotary. Newer rifles do not have the counter, and the brass rotary
was replaced with an alloy rotary.
2. Quality of wood and wood to metal finish. Older rifles have
walnut stocks. Newer rifles have hardwood stained stocks. Older
rifles and heavier barreled rifles have the schnabel forend. It is
longer, and tapers at the end until it has a flared end piece. This
is a one piece forend with a lot of finish work in it. Newer rifles
have a shorter, rounded forend. Quality of wood to metal fit should
be very smooth and usually is in the older rifles.
3. Barrel thickness and taper. You may find some featherweight
rifles with lighter barrels. You will judge them yourself whether you
like them or not.
4. Quality of finish, both wood and metal. This will tell you a lot
about the care that has been taken with the rifle. Be careful to see
if the rifle has been refinished and reblued, if you are looking for
the rifle to increase in value over the years. While reblued rifles
usually are excellent shooters, the collector value has decreased.
5. Above all, check the rifling and the bore. Look for pitting in
the bore from poor cleaning and care.
6. Check to see how it "feels" when you put it to your shoulder. Is
the stock long enough. It may have been cut down over the years for a
youth or a woman shooter. (I "rescued" a .308 like that years ago.
The shop owner knew me and had worked on my Model 99's. He took in a
nice, later model in .308 that had about 2.5 inches of the stock cut
off. It took some work, but we got the stock back to the correct
length for me to shoot.)
7. Check the sights, and/or scope. Remember that some old models
were not drilled and tapped for scopes. While I am old and blind, you
are (probably) young enough to be able to shoot open sights.
As for other calibers, most of the cartridges that are still in
production are fine in this rifle. I would stay away from the .303
Savage if I wanted a hunting rifle. Besides the .300, I have Model
99's in .308, .250-3000 Savage, and 30-30. I had a fine old Model 99
in .243, but let a brother-in-law talk me out of it.
The only time I would ever but a clip magazine Model 99 would be if I
found one in .22-250. They made about 10,000 of these, all in the
Model C, clip magazine.
I have a project, now on the back burner, to take a Model 99 action,
rebarrel it in 7mm-08, put a synthetic stock on it, and scope it. I
believe this would be an excellent combination.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
Whats a fair price to pay for a 99 in good shape in 300 Savage.
|
314|313|2005-04-10 05:18:23|Ken Brown|Re: Price?|How bad do you want one? It is a seller's market. They are not being
made anymore. I stopped going to gun shows because I was tired of
crowds pushing and shoving (and the local media filming everyone who
went in or out the doors).
Be prepared to pay as much or more than you could buy a new Winchester
Model 70 or Rugar Model 77. Prices vary in different parts of the
country, so I could not give you a price.
I would just go to the show in Spring and see what you find, then make
the Astrohall show and compare prices you find. This will give you an
idea about price.
You might want to think about scope and rings if the rifle is not
scoped when you buy it. Weaver mounts are the easiest to install, but
they are a two piece mount, and you buy each piece separately. The
front and rear scope mounts have different numbers., and they are not
the easiest to find at times.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
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315|311|2005-04-11 17:06:36|Dr J B Boren|Re: whats the best caliber for the 99|
From: Lynn and Michelle [mailto:lynnandmichelle2003@...]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:18 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] whats the best caliber for the 99
I found a fairly nice 99 in .300 Sav. at at gun show a while back. It
looked like a fifties vintage model. It had the rotary magazine rather
than being clip fed. It also looked to be in pretty good shape. The
guy was asking $450 for it. I live in Texas and would like to use it
for hog hunting. I didnt buy that 99 even though I probably should
have. I also seen a later model clip fed model in .243 and another one
in .308. and they were both less expensive than the older one in
in .300 Sav. I guess my question is what 99 is better for the price.
And what caliber seems to be better in these rifles as far as
cycling,accuracy,etc.
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316|316|2005-04-11 17:54:05|Dr J B Boren|FW: [Savage-firearms] Re: whats the best caliber for the 99|
From: Ken Brown [mailto:savage99_250@...]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:25 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: whats the best caliber for the 99
found one in .22-250. They made about 10,000 of these, all in the
Model C, clip magazine.
I have a project, now on the back burner, to take a Model 99 action,
rebarrel it in 7mm-08, put a synthetic stock on it, and scope it. I
believe this would be an excellent combination.
Ken
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317|313|2005-04-11 17:55:24|Dr J B Boren|Re: Price?|
From: Lynn and Michelle [mailto:lynnandmichelle2003@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:26 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Price?
Whats a fair price to pay for a 99 in good shape in 300 Savage.
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318|318|2005-04-12 14:47:46|Lynn and Michelle|found a cheap 99F|
From: Lynn and Michelle [mailto:lynnandmichelle2003@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:20 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] (unknown)
What do you think Dr. Boren???
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324|324|2005-04-23 02:16:05|Lynn and Michelle|Opinions on Blue Wonder Products??|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn and Michelle
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:17 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] What Bullet weight to use?
I was wonder what bullet weight to use in a .300 Sav for hog hunting?
I dont handload so it will have to be a factory loaded cartrige. The
feral hogs here can get up to 500lbs.
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327|325|2005-04-27 05:12:34|Ken Brown|Re: What Bullet weight to use?|
made anymore. I stopped going to gun shows because I was tired of
crowds pushing and shoving (and the local media filming everyone who
went in or out the doors).
Be prepared to pay as much or more than you could buy a new Winchester
Model 70 or Rugar Model 77. Prices vary in different parts of the
country, so I could not give you a price.
I would just go to the show in Spring and see what you find, then make
the Astrohall show and compare prices you find. This will give you an
idea about price.
You might want to think about scope and rings if the rifle is not
scoped when you buy it. Weaver mounts are the easiest to install, but
they are a two piece mount, and you buy each piece separately. The
front and rear scope mounts have different numbers., and they are not
the easiest to find at times.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
The classic chamberings in 99s are the 250-3000 and the 300 Savage. Both will feed perfectly from any gun (that's not broken) and both are outstanding cartridges. Most other chamberings are available, but at a cost. For deer, the 250 would be excellent, and the 300 as well. The 250 might be a bit light on hogs, but the 300 with 150 and up grain bullets would be fine. I'd recommend a 38-55, 358 Win, or 375 Win for the hogs, but if you want one, be prepared to pay $1000 and up. 308s are still relatively easy to find, and at a reasonable price ($400 - $500). My personal opinion would be to stay away from the model E. E's are the only "junk" 99s (in my opinion). You may find a few problems with some of the other newer guns (post-79); you'll likely not find any problems with well-cared-for EGs, Fs, and pre-war guns.
Ken's general advice was right on the line. Feel free to ask specifics here if you see a gun you are interested in.
jbb
albuquerque
From: Lynn and Michelle [mailto:lynnandmichelle2003@...]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 6:18 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] whats the best caliber for the 99
I found a fairly nice 99 in .300 Sav. at at gun show a while back. It
looked like a fifties vintage model. It had the rotary magazine rather
than being clip fed. It also looked to be in pretty good shape. The
guy was asking $450 for it. I live in Texas and would like to use it
for hog hunting. I didnt buy that 99 even though I probably should
have. I also seen a later model clip fed model in .243 and another one
in .308. and they were both less expensive than the older one in
in .300 Sav. I guess my question is what 99 is better for the price.
And what caliber seems to be better in these rifles as far as
cycling,accuracy,etc.
Good advice Ken.
Dad and I have about 40 Savage 99s between us...one in every caliber they ever made. Most configurations, but not all (missing a couple Ts and no 38-55 saddle ring). I agree in general with your opinion of the detachable magazine models, with the exception of the 308...I've found it feeds just fine from the detachable mag. Nothing feeds any smoother than the old 250 from the rotary mag.
We have a couple 7mm-08s; excellent cartridge all-around and superb in the 99. Dad just had an old beat-up 308 rebarrelled to 6.5-08 (260 Rem). The 260 would have been a great caliber in the 99.
My pet project is to get an old 303 that's lost any collector value and rebarrel it to 35 Remington. I like the old cartridges and it would be great deer or hog medicine, as well as a fun plinker.
Take care,
jbb
albuquerque
From: Ken Brown [mailto:savage99_250@...]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:25 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: whats the best caliber for the 99
Model C, clip magazine.
I have a project, now on the back burner, to take a Model 99 action,
rebarrel it in 7mm-08, put a synthetic stock on it, and scope it. I
believe this would be an excellent combination.
Ken
99 EG in 300; look to pay between $350 and $500 for one in very good shape...knock off $50 or so if worn or damaged at all. Other models will be higher, excepting the E...don't pay more than $200 for an E.
They ain't cheap.
jbb
From: Lynn and Michelle [mailto:lynnandmichelle2003@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:26 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Price?
Whats a fair price to pay for a 99 in good shape in 300 Savage.
I found a 99F on one of the auction sites for $199 and no one has bid
on it. Heres the kikker. The guy found it in a basement of a house he
was cleaning and it has quite a bit of exterior rust. there is also a
water stain on one side of the stock toe where water was dripping on
it. He said the barrel was excellent and with some steel wool and
elbow grease it looks restorable. When I was a kid I used to re-finish
gunstocks for my friends and relatives so I know I can clean her up.
what do yall think???????? Is it worth it?????????????????
P.S.
Thanks for all the help so far.
And the 99 is .300 Savage
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319|319|2005-04-12 15:03:58|Lynn and Michelle|photos of savage 99F|on it. Heres the kikker. The guy found it in a basement of a house he
was cleaning and it has quite a bit of exterior rust. there is also a
water stain on one side of the stock toe where water was dripping on
it. He said the barrel was excellent and with some steel wool and
elbow grease it looks restorable. When I was a kid I used to re-finish
gunstocks for my friends and relatives so I know I can clean her up.
what do yall think???????? Is it worth it?????????????????
P.S.
Thanks for all the help so far.
And the 99 is .300 Savage
i posted some pictures of the savage 99F in the photo area of this
yahoo group. go to photos and look and tell me what you think?
Lynn
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320|318|2005-04-12 17:44:06|Ken Brown|Re: found a cheap 99F|yahoo group. go to photos and look and tell me what you think?
Lynn
Lynn,
I don't have time to write much, but let me ask how much will it cost
you to have this shipped to an FFL dealer and have the paperwork done?
I have never bought a firearm on an online auction, so I don't know any
of the details of the auction.
Do you have an FFL dealer tht will complete the paperwork? Most of
them charge a fee or a percentage of the price.
From the pictures, I think you are looking at a lot!!! of work
including a complete stripping and cleaning the bolt and receiver,
inside and out. Not usually a job for a beginner.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
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321|318|2005-04-13 03:49:03|r40xb|Re: found a cheap 99F|I don't have time to write much, but let me ask how much will it cost
you to have this shipped to an FFL dealer and have the paperwork done?
I have never bought a firearm on an online auction, so I don't know any
of the details of the auction.
Do you have an FFL dealer tht will complete the paperwork? Most of
them charge a fee or a percentage of the price.
From the pictures, I think you are looking at a lot!!! of work
including a complete stripping and cleaning the bolt and receiver,
inside and out. Not usually a job for a beginner.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
Lynn,
The base price seems a little high to me without actually seeing and
checking out the mechanical condition of the action and seeing the
bore and chamber for yourself. If you are not in a hurry, why not
check out the gunshows first?
Randy
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
done?
any
bid
house he
also a
on
up.
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322|322|2005-04-14 14:19:41|Lynn and Michelle|(no subject)|The base price seems a little high to me without actually seeing and
checking out the mechanical condition of the action and seeing the
bore and chamber for yourself. If you are not in a hurry, why not
check out the gunshows first?
Randy
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
any
bid
house he
also a
on
up.
What do you think Dr. Boren???
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323|323|2005-04-14 17:25:54|Dr J B Boren|Re: (unknown)|About??
If you mean the rusty 99F, I don't really have an opinion for you. I don't think I'd buy one in that condition unless I handled it first.
Take a look at these first and see if the difference in price is worth it to you, compared to the additional gunsmithing costs if the rusty one is broken.
jbb
From: Lynn and Michelle [mailto:lynnandmichelle2003@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:20 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] (unknown)
What do you think Dr. Boren???
Any opinions on Blue wonder gun care products. I was wondering if they
were worth trying or not. Also have any of you heard of Bo-Shield or
Eezox????
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325|325|2005-04-26 13:17:09|Lynn and Michelle|What Bullet weight to use?|were worth trying or not. Also have any of you heard of Bo-Shield or
Eezox????
I was wonder what bullet weight to use in a .300 Sav for hog hunting?
I dont handload so it will have to be a factory loaded cartrige. The
feral hogs here can get up to 500lbs.
|
326|325|2005-04-26 17:03:22|Dr J B Boren|Re: What Bullet weight to use?|I dont handload so it will have to be a factory loaded cartrige. The
feral hogs here can get up to 500lbs.
If factory is it, you are constrained to either 150-gn or 180-gn. I'd personally go with the 180-gn if you can find it. Sometimes the 150s are all that are available.
If you can find a custom ammo maker (there are several on the web) or someone who you trust to handload, I'd get some 165- or 180-gn Partitions or Grand Slams (or similar) loaded up for the piggies.
jbb
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn and Michelle
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:17 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] What Bullet weight to use?
I was wonder what bullet weight to use in a .300 Sav for hog hunting?
I dont handload so it will have to be a factory loaded cartrige. The
feral hogs here can get up to 500lbs.
Howdy, Lynn.
You will probably find 150 grain bullets easily. Both Remmington and
Winchester produced them. For that size hog, I would like to use a
180 grain bullet. However, very few places carry them anymore.
I would suggest that you find a reliable commercial reloader and talk
about a heavy bullet. You can (or could) buy 200 or 220 grain
bullets. The reloader would have to tell you if they could be safely
seated without compressing the powder. I have never tried this heavy a
bullet.
On that size hog, bullet placement is as important as bullet weight.
Study your target. There is a lot of tough hide on that hog, with
gristle underneith some of it.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
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328|325|2005-04-29 02:00:37|Lynn and Michelle|Re: What Bullet weight to use?|
You will probably find 150 grain bullets easily. Both Remmington and
Winchester produced them. For that size hog, I would like to use a
180 grain bullet. However, very few places carry them anymore.
I would suggest that you find a reliable commercial reloader and talk
about a heavy bullet. You can (or could) buy 200 or 220 grain
bullets. The reloader would have to tell you if they could be safely
seated without compressing the powder. I have never tried this heavy a
bullet.
On that size hog, bullet placement is as important as bullet weight.
Study your target. There is a lot of tough hide on that hog, with
gristle underneith some of it.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
I can order 180 grain bullets online but with shipping they are
pretty expensive. I used to buy custom bullets here for my 7mm rem
mag. I usually hunt with a Ruger #1 stainless laminate in 7mm
Remington mag but I really want to try out the new Savage 99 R I
bought this Fall. I really like the look and feel of the 99. I have
been admiring them for several years. I just finally bought one. It
should be here Tuesday. I can hardly wait!!
-- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
talk
safely
heavy a
weight.
hunting?
The
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329|329|2005-05-03 13:04:09|Lynn and Michelle|New Gander Mountain Store|pretty expensive. I used to buy custom bullets here for my 7mm rem
mag. I usually hunt with a Ruger #1 stainless laminate in 7mm
Remington mag but I really want to try out the new Savage 99 R I
bought this Fall. I really like the look and feel of the 99. I have
been admiring them for several years. I just finally bought one. It
should be here Tuesday. I can hardly wait!!
-- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
safely
heavy a
weight.
hunting?
The
We just got a new Gander Mountain store here. I looked there during my
lunch hour yesterday and they have 150 and 180 grain bullets for
my .300 Sav. $17 for 180s and $18 for the 150s. I also bought some of
the Blue Wonder gun cleaner there. I will post later and let yall know
how it works.
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330|330|2005-05-23 04:21:09|Lynn and Michelle|Whats going on ??|lunch hour yesterday and they have 150 and 180 grain bullets for
my .300 Sav. $17 for 180s and $18 for the 150s. I also bought some of
the Blue Wonder gun cleaner there. I will post later and let yall know
how it works.
Nobody has posted anything in a long time. Guess since its not hunting
season there is not too much to talk about? Im planning on putting a
new scope on my 99R. Any suggestions on mounts and rings?
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331|330|2005-05-25 02:06:12|Ken Brown|Re: Whats going on ??|season there is not too much to talk about? Im planning on putting a
new scope on my 99R. Any suggestions on mounts and rings?
I like the way Weaver bases look on the rifle. They are slim instead
of a bulky single mount. Just my opinion.
Redfield mount is a single piece of steel, or alloy, and the Redfield
locking system is very good.
Just remember that your rings should match the bell of the scope. In
other words, the bigger the bell of the scope, the higher the rings
must set above the mounts. You can buy regular, medium, or high mount
rings. And it never hurts to remind someone not to let the scope
touch the barrel.
I would choose a scope carefully, based on your hunting style and
location. Most expensive is not always best. I am a fan of Pentax
scopes, because of their light gathering ability, and Leopold scopes
because of their craftsmanship and quality.
Having said that, remember that I have not bought a new scope in about
10 years, and companies do change. A quality scope maker will stand
behind their product.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
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332|330|2005-05-25 02:24:07|michelle thain|Re: Whats going on ??|
Ken Brown
of a bulky single mount. Just my opinion.
Redfield mount is a single piece of steel, or alloy, and the Redfield
locking system is very good.
Just remember that your rings should match the bell of the scope. In
other words, the bigger the bell of the scope, the higher the rings
must set above the mounts. You can buy regular, medium, or high mount
rings. And it never hurts to remind someone not to let the scope
touch the barrel.
I would choose a scope carefully, based on your hunting style and
location. Most expensive is not always best. I am a fan of Pentax
scopes, because of their light gathering ability, and Leopold scopes
because of their craftsmanship and quality.
Having said that, remember that I have not bought a new scope in about
10 years, and companies do change. A quality scope maker will stand
behind their product.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
Thanks Ken I think I am going to go with Weaver mounts and rings. They seem to be well made and easier to find for the savage 99 than most others are. I would like to go with a 32mm objective bell so the scope wont look so big and I wont have to use spacers on my mounts. I really dont like the looks of the sight thru mounts.
Lynn
Ken Brown
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I have 20 99's. I used to be an avid collector but now just enjoy
them. I have many models and a few special factory rifles or rebarrels.
On the scope issue I think you are mistaken if you go any less than a
40mm objective. Here in western Oregon the deer come out at sunset.
You have very little legal shooting time. There is a lot of difference
in the light gatering abilities of a 40 verses a 32mm objective. As
far as calibers I have most of them. My favorite hands down is the
284Win. Close to 7mm mag capibilities if you load right. The 99 was a
super firearm that I hold in the highest regards. Back in the 80's
there used to be a Savage historian that would reserch your rifle and
let you know the day it was made at the factory. I had a few researched
back then. Good hunting.
Doyle
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334|330|2005-05-26 02:43:25|Ken Brown|Re: Whats going on ??|I have 20 99's. I used to be an avid collector but now just enjoy
them. I have many models and a few special factory rifles or rebarrels.
On the scope issue I think you are mistaken if you go any less than a
40mm objective. Here in western Oregon the deer come out at sunset.
You have very little legal shooting time. There is a lot of difference
in the light gatering abilities of a 40 verses a 32mm objective. As
far as calibers I have most of them. My favorite hands down is the
284Win. Close to 7mm mag capibilities if you load right. The 99 was a
super firearm that I hold in the highest regards. Back in the 80's
there used to be a Savage historian that would reserch your rifle and
let you know the day it was made at the factory. I had a few researched
back then. Good hunting.
Doyle
Lynn,
You don't put spacers on the mounts, you buy medium base or high base
rings. These rings allow you to mount a scope with a bigger
objective. The larger objective allows much greater light gathering
ability. Most of my serious hunting time was right around dawn and
just before dark. In the woods, I needed all the extra light I could use.
Today, I think you will have a lot more choices with a 40 mm
objective, compared to a 32 mm objective.
As you get older, your eyes will begin to deteriate. If you have
perfect vision, you might just start wearing glasses, but if you
already wear glasses, you will probably start using bifocals. When
this happens, you will appreciate the larger scope.
BTW: my rule of thumb for bifocals: When I could not read the gun
ads in the newspaper classifieds without a magnifying glass, I knew it
was time for bifocals. Now, if I again cannot read the gun ads in the
classifieds, I know it is time to get an eye exam and new bifocals.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, michelle thain
most others are. I would like to go with a 32mm objective bell so the
scope wont look so big and I wont have to use spacers on my mounts. I
really dont like the looks of the sight thru mounts.
on the rifle. They are slim instead
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335|333|2005-05-26 02:59:26|Ken Brown|Re: Scope opinion|You don't put spacers on the mounts, you buy medium base or high base
rings. These rings allow you to mount a scope with a bigger
objective. The larger objective allows much greater light gathering
ability. Most of my serious hunting time was right around dawn and
just before dark. In the woods, I needed all the extra light I could use.
Today, I think you will have a lot more choices with a 40 mm
objective, compared to a 32 mm objective.
As you get older, your eyes will begin to deteriate. If you have
perfect vision, you might just start wearing glasses, but if you
already wear glasses, you will probably start using bifocals. When
this happens, you will appreciate the larger scope.
BTW: my rule of thumb for bifocals: When I could not read the gun
ads in the newspaper classifieds without a magnifying glass, I knew it
was time for bifocals. Now, if I again cannot read the gun ads in the
classifieds, I know it is time to get an eye exam and new bifocals.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, michelle thain
scope wont look so big and I wont have to use spacers on my mounts. I
really dont like the looks of the sight thru mounts.
on the rifle. They are slim instead
Howdy, Doyle.
Did Savage offer the .284 Winchester as a factory produced rifle or
did you custom barrel a 99? I don't remember it being offered.
Just before I was introduced to the 99, I bought a Winchester 88 with
a shorter barrel in .284 I was very impressed with the cartridge, and
less impressed with the Winchester. Very shortly after that, I bought
my first Model 99.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Doyle C. Frazier Jr."
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336|336|2005-05-26 08:47:26|Doyle C. Frazier Jr.|284 Win in 99's|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn and Michelle
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:53 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] 7mm/08
I would really like to have a 99 in 7mm/08. I think that would be a
cool rifle/ cartridge combination. Also with its short chamber the 99
would be a good candidate for the new .300 WSM or 7mm WSM. A Magnum
99,Sounds like a cool idea.
Lynn
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339|336|2005-05-26 17:51:42|Dr J B Boren|Re: 284 Win in 99's|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doyle C. Frazier Jr.
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:47 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] 284 Win in 99's
Yes, the 284 Win was offered in a F, DL, C, and 2 presentation grades.
If you really want the best sorce for 99 information go to
www.gunbooksales.com. There is a book published by Douglas P. Murray
titled "The Ninety-Nine". It is a little spendy at $40.00 but has all
models, calibers and dates of all the 99 models. A priceless
information sorce for anyone into the Savage 99. I have a 284 Win in a
F and a DL. I also have a Winchester 88 in 284 and a Ruger 77R bolt
action in 284 Win also. It was a very limited run.
Doyle
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340|337|2005-05-26 19:58:42|Ken Brown|Re: 7mm/08|
Did Savage offer the .284 Winchester as a factory produced rifle or
did you custom barrel a 99? I don't remember it being offered.
Just before I was introduced to the 99, I bought a Winchester 88 with
a shorter barrel in .284 I was very impressed with the cartridge, and
less impressed with the Winchester. Very shortly after that, I bought
my first Model 99.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Doyle C. Frazier Jr."
Yes, the 284 Win was offered in a F, DL, C, and 2 presentation grades.
If you really want the best sorce for 99 information go to
www.gunbooksales.com. There is a book published by Douglas P. Murray
titled "The Ninety-Nine". It is a little spendy at $40.00 but has all
models, calibers and dates of all the 99 models. A priceless
information sorce for anyone into the Savage 99. I have a 284 Win in a
F and a DL. I also have a Winchester 88 in 284 and a Ruger 77R bolt
action in 284 Win also. It was a very limited run.
Doyle
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337|337|2005-05-26 12:53:50|Lynn and Michelle|7mm/08|If you really want the best sorce for 99 information go to
www.gunbooksales.com. There is a book published by Douglas P. Murray
titled "The Ninety-Nine". It is a little spendy at $40.00 but has all
models, calibers and dates of all the 99 models. A priceless
information sorce for anyone into the Savage 99. I have a 284 Win in a
F and a DL. I also have a Winchester 88 in 284 and a Ruger 77R bolt
action in 284 Win also. It was a very limited run.
Doyle
I would really like to have a 99 in 7mm/08. I think that would be a
cool rifle/ cartridge combination. Also with its short chamber the 99
would be a good candidate for the new .300 WSM or 7mm WSM. A Magnum
99,Sounds like a cool idea.
Lynn
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338|337|2005-05-26 17:45:52|Dr J B Boren|Re: 7mm/08|cool rifle/ cartridge combination. Also with its short chamber the 99
would be a good candidate for the new .300 WSM or 7mm WSM. A Magnum
99,Sounds like a cool idea.
Lynn
You will be better off finding an old 308 and rebarrelling it. The last 99 in 7mm-08 I saw sold for $1500 and had some wear on it. I've seen NIBs sell for as high as $2250.
We have one...you are right, it is a very nice set up. We also took an old 308 and rebarrelled it to 6.5-308 (otherwise known as 260 Rem). We thought it would be an ideal cartridge for the 99 and were right...shoots real nice.
jbb
albuquerque
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn and Michelle
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:53 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] 7mm/08
cool rifle/ cartridge combination. Also with its short chamber the 99
would be a good candidate for the new .300 WSM or 7mm WSM. A Magnum
99,Sounds like a cool idea.
Lynn
I'm also a fan of the 284...have a 99F in that caliber. Love to shoot it.
I also recently bought a custom Mauser with a hand-cut-rifled barrel in 284. I'm hoping it will work out for my pronghorn rifle.
The Win 88s are nice, but I've priced them lately, and they are outrageous, esp. the pre-64s. I haven't seen a Ruger 77 MkII in that caliber; have seen some pre-Mk IIs, but don't care for the pushfeed action on the pre-Mk II.
I'd love to have a Ruger No. 1 in 284...but the few produced are extrememly high.
jbb
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doyle C. Frazier Jr.
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:47 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] 284 Win in 99's
If you really want the best sorce for 99 information go to
www.gunbooksales.com. There is a book published by Douglas P. Murray
titled "The Ninety-Nine". It is a little spendy at $40.00 but has all
models, calibers and dates of all the 99 models. A priceless
information sorce for anyone into the Savage 99. I have a 284 Win in a
F and a DL. I also have a Winchester 88 in 284 and a Ruger 77R bolt
action in 284 Win also. It was a very limited run.
Doyle
Just off the top of my head, I think you would be pushing the limits
with the WSM's. The 99 receiver was not designed for Magnum cartridges.
If you were ever going to do this, I would look carefully at the
receiver specs for maximum pressure compared to what the cartridge will
produce.
Also, I am not familiar with the case sizes on the WSM's. Altering the
bolt head to fit a larger based cartridge might be more expensive than
you think.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
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341|337|2005-05-26 20:22:17|Dr J B Boren|Re: 7mm/08|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Brown
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:59 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: 7mm/08
Just off the top of my head, I think you would be pushing the limits
with the WSM's. The 99 receiver was not designed for Magnum cartridges.
If you were ever going to do this, I would look carefully at the
receiver specs for maximum pressure compared to what the cartridge will
produce.
Also, I am not familiar with the case sizes on the WSM's. Altering the
bolt head to fit a larger based cartridge might be more expensive than
you think.
Ken
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342|342|2005-05-27 18:16:03|Zephyr Stormrider|Happy Memorial Day weekend!|
with the WSM's. The 99 receiver was not designed for Magnum cartridges.
If you were ever going to do this, I would look carefully at the
receiver specs for maximum pressure compared to what the cartridge will
produce.
Also, I am not familiar with the case sizes on the WSM's. Altering the
bolt head to fit a larger based cartridge might be more expensive than
you think.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
The 99 lock up is the physical camming of the bolt body into place at the rear of the receiver. It isn't weak, and will take magnum pressures, but isn't rock solid either and doesn't respond well, accuracy wise, to very high pressures. It is ideal at pressures from 18K to 52K PSI. Magnum pressures approach 65K PSI and the 99 just won't shoot well up in that range, as designed.
The bolt face isn't a big problem, since it's a push-feed and can be opened up relatively easily, but the rotary magazine is an equine of differential pigmentation. If a WSM-caliber 99 were to be made (and I guarantee you, somebody has already done one, custom) it would likely be a magazine-fed model, as the rotary would need to be completely redesigned. The rebated 284 Win was a bit of a stretch, and it has a case with a standard 0.470 rim but a base diameter of 0.495. The WSM family has a rim of 0.530 but a base diameter of about 0.544. (Compare the 300 Win Mag at 0.530 rim and 0.519 base diameter). As you can see, there ain't room to stuff all that case volume in a standard 99.
Prototype 99s have been build for larger cartridges. A 99 in 30-06 was recently auctioned for $6000, but did not sell. It was one of two made. If one had a machine shop and a good machineist, a 99 in 50 BMG would be possible. That'd keep 'em talking down at the coffee shop.
I'm much more interested in classic calibers for the 99. I'd love to see a new run with such calibers as 38-55, 250-3000, and even 257 Roberts (they made a couple hundred 99s in the Roberts, but you need a mint to afford one now). And if you want to get fancy, how about a few 6.5-284s and 25-284s? Maybe even a 6mm-284?
jbb
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Brown
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:59 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: 7mm/08
with the WSM's. The 99 receiver was not designed for Magnum cartridges.
If you were ever going to do this, I would look carefully at the
receiver specs for maximum pressure compared to what the cartridge will
produce.
Also, I am not familiar with the case sizes on the WSM's. Altering the
bolt head to fit a larger based cartridge might be more expensive than
you think.
Ken
Happy Memorial Day weekend everyone! While we are enjoying this long
weekend, please take the time to remember those who have died serving
our nation and the nations of our allies. Even our past enemies--
many of them are worth remembering. I will take time to remember ALL
warriors who died honorably serving their countries.
Frank
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343|343|2005-06-01 05:25:13|Lynn and Michelle|Scope Rings?|weekend, please take the time to remember those who have died serving
our nation and the nations of our allies. Even our past enemies--
many of them are worth remembering. I will take time to remember ALL
warriors who died honorably serving their countries.
Frank
--
ZephyrNewYork@...
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AIM ZephyrNewYork
I just bought some Weaver 2 piece mounts for my 99R. Can anyone tell
me what height rings to get for a scope with a 40mm objective bell. I
dont want the scope really high, just high enough to clear the barrel?
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344|343|2005-06-01 21:53:14|Ken Brown|Re: Scope Rings?|me what height rings to get for a scope with a 40mm objective bell. I
dont want the scope really high, just high enough to clear the barrel?
I would look at medium height rings. The easiest way is to have a
good gunsmith attach the mounts, then fit the scope on the rings. A
good smith will measure the length from the butt to your eye and know
just how to mount the scope. The barrel taper will also affect how
high you have to mount the scope. They should have low, medium, and
high mount rings in stock, and will be able to bore sight the scope
for you.
Most important, they will make sure all the screws are tight instead
of overly tight. The last thing you want to do is to strip the
threads or break a screw off in a drilled hole.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
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345|343|2005-06-02 14:56:06|Zephyr Stormrider|switch barrel/caliber|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:56 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
Is it true that Savage is the easiest factory bolt action to switch
barrels and calibers on? I really like the 16FLSS, and I was
wondering if it's possible to buy it in 300 WSM and switch to 308
later.
Frank
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349|343|2005-06-07 05:06:40|lynn and michelle|Re: switch barrel/caliber|
good gunsmith attach the mounts, then fit the scope on the rings. A
good smith will measure the length from the butt to your eye and know
just how to mount the scope. The barrel taper will also affect how
high you have to mount the scope. They should have low, medium, and
high mount rings in stock, and will be able to bore sight the scope
for you.
Most important, they will make sure all the screws are tight instead
of overly tight. The last thing you want to do is to strip the
threads or break a screw off in a drilled hole.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
Is it true that Savage is the easiest factory bolt action to switch
barrels and calibers on? I really like the 16FLSS, and I was
wondering if it's possible to buy it in 300 WSM and switch to 308
later.
Frank
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346|343|2005-06-03 07:15:19|r40xb|Re: Scope Rings?|barrels and calibers on? I really like the 16FLSS, and I was
wondering if it's possible to buy it in 300 WSM and switch to 308
later.
Frank
I just want to agree with Ken's statement, "...make sure all the
screws are tight instead of overly tight. The last thing you want to
do is to strip the threads or break a screw off in a drilled hole."
Twisting one off creates a great deal of consternation!
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
tell
bell. I
barrel?
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347|330|2005-06-06 04:11:30|Zephyr Stormrider|Re: Whats going on ??|screws are tight instead of overly tight. The last thing you want to
do is to strip the threads or break a screw off in a drilled hole."
Twisting one off creates a great deal of consternation!
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
bell. I
barrel?
Is it possible to switch barrels between 308 and 300 WSM? If so,
which rifle(s). Please note that I'm left-handed.
Frank
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348|343|2005-06-07 04:34:03|Dr J B Boren|Re: switch barrel/caliber|which rifle(s). Please note that I'm left-handed.
Frank
I don't know if you ever got another reply to this....I've been out of town so I've missed some of these. I apologize if this is redundant.
You can't just switch barrels from the 308 to the 300 WSM because of the different case head sizes. If you had two bolts, you could make it work.
jbb
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:56 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
barrels and calibers on? I really like the 16FLSS, and I was
wondering if it's possible to buy it in 300 WSM and switch to 308
later.
Frank
If you could find a barrel maker that makes a .300 WSM for the TC Encore, then you could switch from .308 to .300 WSM. Other than that, that's about all I know that you could do.
Lynn
Dr J B Boren|
350|343|2005-06-07 14:24:29|Zephyr Stormrider|Re: switch barrel/caliber|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lynn and michelle
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:15 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
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364|343|2005-06-08 17:24:39|Dr J B Boren|Re: Snipers, was switch barrel/caliber|
Dr J B Boren
Thanks to all for your advice. I'm so torn now though! LOL This past
weekend, I shot my first ever 1000 yard benchrest matches with two
borrowed custom Remington 700s. My first (and best) group was 9.354
inches, 47 points out of 50, closest shot to the X was 0.836 inches.
There was at least one shooter who used a Savage in factory class.
In your opinion, which rifle is the best for long distance? Caliber?
Savage 10 or similar
Remington 700 VS
other rifles?
Frank
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351|343|2005-06-07 17:13:16|Dr J B Boren|Re: switch barrel/caliber|weekend, I shot my first ever 1000 yard benchrest matches with two
borrowed custom Remington 700s. My first (and best) group was 9.354
inches, 47 points out of 50, closest shot to the X was 0.836 inches.
There was at least one shooter who used a Savage in factory class.
In your opinion, which rifle is the best for long distance? Caliber?
Savage 10 or similar
Remington 700 VS
other rifles?
Frank
Best rifle...very custom, very $$$
Best caliber...6.5x284 but that'll change when somebody comes up with
something better.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:24 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
Thanks to all for your advice. I'm so torn now though! LOL This past
weekend, I shot my first ever 1000 yard benchrest matches with two borrowed
custom Remington 700s. My first (and best) group was 9.354 inches, 47
points out of 50, closest shot to the X was 0.836 inches.
There was at least one shooter who used a Savage in factory class.
In your opinion, which rifle is the best for long distance? Caliber?
Savage 10 or similar
Remington 700 VS
other rifles?
Frank
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352|343|2005-06-07 17:42:56|Zephyr Stormrider|Re: switch barrel/caliber|Best caliber...6.5x284 but that'll change when somebody comes up with
something better.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:24 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
Thanks to all for your advice. I'm so torn now though! LOL This past
weekend, I shot my first ever 1000 yard benchrest matches with two borrowed
custom Remington 700s. My first (and best) group was 9.354 inches, 47
points out of 50, closest shot to the X was 0.836 inches.
There was at least one shooter who used a Savage in factory class.
In your opinion, which rifle is the best for long distance? Caliber?
Savage 10 or similar
Remington 700 VS
other rifles?
Frank
I'll restate the questions, since I can't afford a custom rifle.
Frank
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353|343|2005-06-07 17:44:55|Zephyr Stormrider|Re: switch barrel/caliber|Frank
jbb,
Please explain why you think that's the best cartridge. I just shot
my first ever 1000 yard benchrest match this past weekend with 300
WinMag and 308. I forgot to go around and ask people about their
cartridges! Oh well, I'll just wait for the match results in the
mail...
Frank
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354|343|2005-06-07 17:48:23|Dr J B Boren|Re: switch barrel/caliber|Please explain why you think that's the best cartridge. I just shot
my first ever 1000 yard benchrest match this past weekend with 300
WinMag and 308. I forgot to go around and ask people about their
cartridges! Oh well, I'll just wait for the match results in the
mail...
Frank
The match newsletter I got (until recently) listed match scores from around
the region, names of the top ten along with the rifle/caliber used. 6.5x284
won absolutely all of them, and was 6 or 8 out of the top 10 in all the
lists I saw. The other calibers that popped up here and there were 6.5-06,
6.5-06 AI, or sometimes 6mm-284.
So it's an impression based on empirical observation of what's winning
matches, not a ballistic thing.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
jbb,
Please explain why you think that's the best cartridge. I just shot my
first ever 1000 yard benchrest match this past weekend with 300 WinMag and
308. I forgot to go around and ask people about their cartridges! Oh well,
I'll just wait for the match results in the mail...
Frank
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355|343|2005-06-07 17:49:33|Dr J B Boren|Re: switch barrel/caliber|the region, names of the top ten along with the rifle/caliber used. 6.5x284
won absolutely all of them, and was 6 or 8 out of the top 10 in all the
lists I saw. The other calibers that popped up here and there were 6.5-06,
6.5-06 AI, or sometimes 6mm-284.
So it's an impression based on empirical observation of what's winning
matches, not a ballistic thing.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:45 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
jbb,
Please explain why you think that's the best cartridge. I just shot my
first ever 1000 yard benchrest match this past weekend with 300 WinMag and
308. I forgot to go around and ask people about their cartridges! Oh well,
I'll just wait for the match results in the mail...
Frank
I understand your predicament.
My experience with the 700 VS is restricted to a 700 VLS in 222
Rem...obviously not a thousand-yard gun. Good accuracy, but not as good as
it should have been.
I have never owned a newer Savage (10, 110, etc.)...all mine are older. I
hear great things about out-of-the-box accuracy, but don't have first-hand
experience. I certainly think it's worth a try. They don't cost arms/legs.
And you can get custom barrels installed pretty easily.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:43 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
I'll restate the questions, since I can't afford a custom rifle.
Caliber?
Frank
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356|343|2005-06-07 19:32:58|Zephyr Stormrider|Re: switch barrel/caliber|My experience with the 700 VS is restricted to a 700 VLS in 222
Rem...obviously not a thousand-yard gun. Good accuracy, but not as good as
it should have been.
I have never owned a newer Savage (10, 110, etc.)...all mine are older. I
hear great things about out-of-the-box accuracy, but don't have first-hand
experience. I certainly think it's worth a try. They don't cost arms/legs.
And you can get custom barrels installed pretty easily.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:43 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
I'll restate the questions, since I can't afford a custom rifle.
Caliber?
Frank
Are these 100 yard matches? Or 1000 yard matches? I know that 6.5 is
popular in NBRSA 100 yard matches, but not in 1000. I'm looking for a
cartridge good out past 1000 yards.
Thanks for the observation, jss :) I do the same-- as soon as my
NBRSA mag comes in from the post office, I look at the 1000 yard
equipment lists... I joined the IBS at the matches this past weekend.
I can't wait to get my first copy of Precision Shooting.
Frank
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357|343|2005-06-07 19:51:27|Dr J B Boren|Re: switch barrel/caliber|popular in NBRSA 100 yard matches, but not in 1000. I'm looking for a
cartridge good out past 1000 yards.
Thanks for the observation, jss :) I do the same-- as soon as my
NBRSA mag comes in from the post office, I look at the 1000 yard
equipment lists... I joined the IBS at the matches this past weekend.
I can't wait to get my first copy of Precision Shooting.
Frank
600- and 1000-yard matches, if I remember correctly.
Almost all the shooters in the 100y matches were using 22BR or 6mmBR.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:33 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
Are these 100 yard matches? Or 1000 yard matches? I know that 6.5 is
popular in NBRSA 100 yard matches, but not in 1000. I'm looking for a
cartridge good out past 1000 yards.
Thanks for the observation, jss :) I do the same-- as soon as my NBRSA mag
comes in from the post office, I look at the 1000 yard equipment lists... I
joined the IBS at the matches this past weekend.
I can't wait to get my first copy of Precision Shooting.
Frank
|
358|343|2005-06-07 21:17:37|Zephyr Stormrider|Re: switch barrel/caliber|Almost all the shooters in the 100y matches were using 22BR or 6mmBR.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 11:33 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
Are these 100 yard matches? Or 1000 yard matches? I know that 6.5 is
popular in NBRSA 100 yard matches, but not in 1000. I'm looking for a
cartridge good out past 1000 yards.
Thanks for the observation, jss :) I do the same-- as soon as my NBRSA mag
comes in from the post office, I look at the 1000 yard equipment lists... I
joined the IBS at the matches this past weekend.
I can't wait to get my first copy of Precision Shooting.
Frank
Thanks again, jbb.
Frank
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359|343|2005-06-08 02:14:33|lynn and michelle|Re: switch barrel/caliber|Frank
Carlos Hathcock won the Wimbledon World Cup 1000 Yard Shooting Match with a 30/06 the first time and later with a .300 Win Mag. He was a U.S.M.C. sniper with 93 confirmed kills.
Zephyr Stormrider
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360|343|2005-06-08 04:23:12|Ken Brown|Re: switch barrel/caliber|Zephyr Stormrider
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Howdy, everyone.
I just got in and started reading the posts.
I am very surprised that no one has mentioned the Springfield O3-A3.
It is a factory rifle.
I will be surprised if there were not some Model 96, 6.5 Swedish
Mausers being shot on that course.
I wonder if Hathcock was using a Springfield the first time, or a Garand?
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, lynn and michelle
U.S.M.C. sniper with 93 confirmed kills.
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361|343|2005-06-08 13:29:53|lynn and michelle|Re: switch barrel/caliber|I just got in and started reading the posts.
I am very surprised that no one has mentioned the Springfield O3-A3.
It is a factory rifle.
I will be surprised if there were not some Model 96, 6.5 Swedish
Mausers being shot on that course.
I wonder if Hathcock was using a Springfield the first time, or a Garand?
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, lynn and michelle
I believe Hathcock was using a Winchester Model 70 the first time and a Remington 700 the second time. But Im not positive. I would have to research to be sure. He used a Model 70 as his duty rifle in 30/06. That I know for sure.
Ken Brown
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362|343|2005-06-08 16:15:35|Zephyr Stormrider|Re: switch barrel/caliber|Ken Brown
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Thanks, Lynn & Michelle. I know about Gunny Hathcock. I'm a Marine
too, but not a sniper. Chuck Mawhinney had 103 confirmed kills...
Frank
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363|343|2005-06-08 17:08:07|Dr J B Boren|Re: Hathcock, was switch barrel/caliber|too, but not a sniper. Chuck Mawhinney had 103 confirmed kills...
Frank
Hathcock had a gift that (likely) none of the rest of us have. He's in a class by himself (maybe with a few Ruskies from WWII). The Gunny could do things with a 30-06 that most of us couldn't do with a modern NATO sniper rifle.
If you've never read any of the books about him (One Shot, One Kill; Marine Sniper; etc.), you need to get one and read it. Amazing.
jbb
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lynn and michelle
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:15 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
Carlos Hathcock won the Wimbledon World Cup 1000 Yard Shooting Match with a 30/06 the first time and later with a .300 Win Mag. He was a U.S.M.C. sniper with 93 confirmed kills.
A pair of Canadians finally broke the Gunny's record confirmed kill.
(Hathcock had a measured kill of 2250 meters using a ma-deuce with a Unertl
scope mounted on it). The new record was about 2400 meters, achieved in
Afghanistan against a Taliban fighter. I don't know the Canadians' names or
their equipment.
A Finn had over 500 confirmed kills in WWII. Zaitsev and Koenig (subject of
the movie, "Enemy at the Gates") had around 400 each.
jbb
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From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:16 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
Thanks, Lynn & Michelle. I know about Gunny Hathcock. I'm a Marine too,
but not a sniper. Chuck Mawhinney had 103 confirmed kills...
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365|343|2005-06-08 17:29:41|Zephyr Stormrider|Re: Hathcock, was switch barrel/caliber|(Hathcock had a measured kill of 2250 meters using a ma-deuce with a Unertl
scope mounted on it). The new record was about 2400 meters, achieved in
Afghanistan against a Taliban fighter. I don't know the Canadians' names or
their equipment.
A Finn had over 500 confirmed kills in WWII. Zaitsev and Koenig (subject of
the movie, "Enemy at the Gates") had around 400 each.
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:16 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] switch barrel/caliber
Thanks, Lynn & Michelle. I know about Gunny Hathcock. I'm a Marine too,
but not a sniper. Chuck Mawhinney had 103 confirmed kills...
I've read "Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills" as a young Corporal of
Marines. I heard from someone that Gunny Hathcock didn't receive
royalties from this book, but I never verified. Is this true?
Frank
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366|343|2005-06-08 17:34:40|Dr J B Boren|Re: Hathcock, was switch barrel/caliber|Marines. I heard from someone that Gunny Hathcock didn't receive
royalties from this book, but I never verified. Is this true?
Frank
Don't know...he didn't write it, so the author probably got the royalties.
If I remember, the author was also a Marine...one of Gunny's first
commanders in VN.
The biggest problem I see is Gunny's not receiving the MOH for his actions
on 9-16-69. He got a Silver Star, after the fact, but should have had the
big one (in my opinion).
jbb
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From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:30 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Hathcock, was switch barrel/caliber
I've read "Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills" as a young Corporal of
Marines. I heard from someone that Gunny Hathcock didn't receive royalties
from this book, but I never verified. Is this true?
Frank
|
367|343|2005-06-08 17:52:02|Zephyr Stormrider|Re: Snipers, was switch barrel/caliber|If I remember, the author was also a Marine...one of Gunny's first
commanders in VN.
The biggest problem I see is Gunny's not receiving the MOH for his actions
on 9-16-69. He got a Silver Star, after the fact, but should have had the
big one (in my opinion).
jbb
-----Original Message-----
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Zephyr Stormrider
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:30 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Hathcock, was switch barrel/caliber
I've read "Marine Sniper: 93 Confirmed Kills" as a young Corporal of
Marines. I heard from someone that Gunny Hathcock didn't receive royalties
from this book, but I never verified. Is this true?
Frank
It was 2430 meters with a 50 cal. The Canadian snipers were attached
to a US unit and used US rounds. Canadian rounds wouldn't have made
the record
distance, according to this report. I think they just said that to
get free ammo ;)
Frank
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/KillingShot_2430Metres.asp
Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres
30 December 2003
By Stephen Thorne, The Canadian Press
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres
Stephen Thorne
Canadian Press
A world-record killing shot by a Canadian sniper detachment in
Afghanistan could never have been made with the ammunition they were
issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a
recent interview. The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range
of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres.
But the U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl.
"Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.
The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of
Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres, or nearly 2 1/2
kilometres, on the second shot.
This feat is the equivalent of standing at the foot of Yonge St. and
hitting a target in the intersection of Yonge and Wellesley Sts., just
north of College St.
The first shot blew a bag from the hand of their target, an Al Qaeda
fighter walking on a road.
"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke on condition that his
real name not be used.
"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted
it to. Well, a bit to the right."
The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian
snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley,
beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by
U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.
Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the
Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a
cover story in its August edition.
The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.
But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first
major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20
sounds conservative.
The 800-strong 3rd battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light
Infantry is pulling out this month.
They'll first go through a reintegration process on the Pacific island
of Guam before heading home to Edmonton.
About 100 British Royal Marines, too, wrapped up their last combat
mission in Afghanistan yesterday after four months in Afghanistan.
The five Canadian snipers, outfitted with British desert fatigues and
an array of equipment from all over the world, were divided into two
detachments that earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms
after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.
The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by
the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for
Valour, marking exceptional bravery.
Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a
ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has
been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.
But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their
American brethren who - while nearly killing them several times over
with "friendly fire" - owe many lives to their shooting skills.
"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl.
"James," a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who like Cpl. Bill
asked that his identity not be revealed.
At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was
without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around.
Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres,
bracketing their position and getting closer all the time. "They
really hammered us," said Bill. He tried to get to their rifles but
couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said:
"Here, you know how to use this better than I do."
They held off the enemy until darkness descended and escaped.
"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there,"
said 1st Lieut. Justin Overbaugh, 25, of Missoula, Mont., the soldier
who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.
"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they
train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically
proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he
said. "If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging,
kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."
Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.
"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or
vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds,
sometimes five. "Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but
they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we
were."
One morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when
Al Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants." Bill
started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by
B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.
In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at
a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them - a
220-kilogram American bomb.
"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James.
The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.
"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres
from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got
up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."
Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed
the Canadians, described them: "The Canadian snipers are professional,
well-trained soldiers who walked into harm's way and fulfilled their
mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."
With files from Associated Press
|
368|368|2005-06-30 15:06:29|Zephyr Stormrider|Washington, DC gun ban survey|to a US unit and used US rounds. Canadian rounds wouldn't have made
the record
distance, according to this report. I think they just said that to
get free ammo ;)
Frank
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/KillingShot_2430Metres.asp
Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres
30 December 2003
By Stephen Thorne, The Canadian Press
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Killing shot made at distance of 2,430 metres
Stephen Thorne
Canadian Press
A world-record killing shot by a Canadian sniper detachment in
Afghanistan could never have been made with the ammunition they were
issued when they left Edmonton last winter, the triggerman said in a
recent interview. The Canadian .50-calibre rounds have a maximum range
of between 2,200 and 2,300 metres.
But the U.S. rounds, they discovered, "fly farther, faster," said Cpl.
"Bill", a 26-year-old native of Fogo Island, Nfld.
The two-man Canadian team, coupled with American Sgt. Zevon Durham of
Greenville, S.C., made the kill from 2,430 metres, or nearly 2 1/2
kilometres, on the second shot.
This feat is the equivalent of standing at the foot of Yonge St. and
hitting a target in the intersection of Yonge and Wellesley Sts., just
north of College St.
The first shot blew a bag from the hand of their target, an Al Qaeda
fighter walking on a road.
"He didn't even flinch," said Bill, who spoke on condition that his
real name not be used.
"We made a correction and the next round hit exactly where we wanted
it to. Well, a bit to the right."
The kill, one of more than 20 unofficially accredited to Canadian
snipers during Operation Anaconda in Afghanistan's Shah-i-Kot Valley,
beat the 35-year-old record of 2,500 yards, or 2,250 metres, set by
U.S. Marine Gunnery Sgt. Carlos Hathcock in Duc Pho, South Vietnam.
Soldier of Fortune magazine estimated the number of kills made by the
Canadians after talking to several U.S. soldiers in Kandahar for a
cover story in its August edition.
The snipers themselves will not confirm the figure.
But judging from accounts given by Canadians involved in the first
major coalition offensive of the Afghan war, the figure of at least 20
sounds conservative.
The 800-strong 3rd battalion of the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light
Infantry is pulling out this month.
They'll first go through a reintegration process on the Pacific island
of Guam before heading home to Edmonton.
About 100 British Royal Marines, too, wrapped up their last combat
mission in Afghanistan yesterday after four months in Afghanistan.
The five Canadian snipers, outfitted with British desert fatigues and
an array of equipment from all over the world, were divided into two
detachments that earned the respect of their American brothers-in-arms
after helping rescue dozens of paratroopers pinned down by enemy fire.
The five have been nominated for one of the highest awards given by
the United States military - the Bronze Star, two of them with Vs for
Valour, marking exceptional bravery.
Awarding of the American medal, which was to have been done at a
ceremony along with other Anaconda veterans in Kandahar in April, has
been delayed by Canadian protocol officials.
But more important to the Canadians are the gestures from their
American brethren who - while nearly killing them several times over
with "friendly fire" - owe many lives to their shooting skills.
"They trusted us to do our job, without question," said Master Cpl.
"James," a 31-year-old native of Kingsville, Ont., who like Cpl. Bill
asked that his identity not be revealed.
At one point during a series of battles, one of the Canadians was
without his rifle. Enemy bullets were hitting the earth all around.
Mortars were dropping in front and behind them, some within 10 metres,
bracketing their position and getting closer all the time. "They
really hammered us," said Bill. He tried to get to their rifles but
couldn't. Finally, an American sniper tossed him his rifle and said:
"Here, you know how to use this better than I do."
They held off the enemy until darkness descended and escaped.
"They were instrumental in helping us achieve our goals out there,"
said 1st Lieut. Justin Overbaugh, 25, of Missoula, Mont., the soldier
who recommended Bill and James for Bronze Stars.
"They are professionals; they are very good at what they do; they
train hard, they are very mature, they are tactically and technically
proficient so when it came time to do business, they were on," he
said. "If they told me I was going out right now, I'd be begging,
kicking, screaming, crying for them to come with us."
Bill and James said they pulled off several shots from 2,400 metres or more.
"Shots out that far are 60 per cent skill and 40 per cent luck, or
vice versa," said Bill. "Usually, it takes two or three rounds,
sometimes five. "Normally, a sniper wouldn't take that many shots, but
they were out so far we felt confident they couldn't tell where we
were."
One morning, the two Canadians were set up overlooking a compound when
Al Qaeda fighters started "pouring out of buildings like ants." Bill
started shooting while James called in a mortar attack, followed by
B-52, F-16 and Apache helicopter strikes.
In a separate incident, Bill and James found themselves looking up at
a large dark object screaming out of the sky directly above them - a
220-kilogram American bomb.
"We hit the deck and covered our heads with our hands," said James.
The bomb landed 30 metres away, nose in, and never went off.
"By the grace of God, it was a dud," said Bill. "It landed 15 metres
from the B company (U.S. 101st Airborne Division) trenches. A guy got
up, walked out of the trench and kicked the thing."
Capt. Paul Madej, Operation Enduring Freedom chaplain, who debriefed
the Canadians, described them: "The Canadian snipers are professional,
well-trained soldiers who walked into harm's way and fulfilled their
mission. They represent the best and they have our respect."
With files from Associated Press
http://www.nbc4.com/news/4666774/detail.html?treets=dc&tid=2656215680813&tml=dc_7am&tmi=dc_7am_1_06000106302005&ts=H
Do you think the District's gun ban law should remain in place? You
know my opinion ;)
Frank
--
ZephyrNewYork@...
YM ZephyrHawaii
AIM ZephyrNewYork
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.
December 15, 1791
"…the Second Amendment secures an individual right to keep and to bear arms."
WHETHER THE SECOND AMENDMENT SECURES AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT
The Second Amendment secures a right of individuals generally, not a
right of States or a right restricted to persons serving in militias.
August 24, 2004
MEMORANDUM OPINION FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
|
369|369|2005-08-04 02:52:15|Lynn and Michelle|Got My Scope Mounted|Do you think the District's gun ban law should remain in place? You
know my opinion ;)
Frank
--
ZephyrNewYork@...
YM ZephyrHawaii
AIM ZephyrNewYork
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed.
December 15, 1791
"…the Second Amendment secures an individual right to keep and to bear arms."
WHETHER THE SECOND AMENDMENT SECURES AN INDIVIDUAL RIGHT
The Second Amendment secures a right of individuals generally, not a
right of States or a right restricted to persons serving in militias.
August 24, 2004
MEMORANDUM OPINION FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
Put the scope on my 99RS. All I need now is a box of ammo.
|
370|369|2005-08-04 19:51:11|jdslack9999|Re: Got My Scope Mounted|What type of scope did you use? I thinking about scoping a 99F
in .308.
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
|
371|371|2005-08-04 19:51:55|jdslack9999|article in Rifle Magazine|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M A C
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:42 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] New to the Savage Group
Greetings all,
I just bought a 93R17 VSS, and this is my second one to date. I owned
a Mark II 22 Varmint I think. So, I am looking at the 12VSS as a
benchrest rifle. Is this a bad decision? Calibur is 22-250 or .308,
so I am actually leaning towards the 22-250 for precision shooting.
thanks for the info.
PS. Is there a site that discusses benchrest shooting and welcomes
all firearms makers for what is shot?
Mark
kd5zmg
|
374|372|2005-09-08 02:19:50|M A C|Re: New to the Savage Group|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M A C
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:20 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: New to the Savage Group
Can you tell me the names of groups that you would recommend?
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J B. Boren"shooting.
there a site that discusses benchrest shooting and welcomes
makers for what is shot?
kd5zmg
|
378|378|2005-09-25 20:22:37|Ken Brown|Yahoo|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kg4zyz
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:51 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] need help.
does anyone know where i can buy a wooden stock or synthetic wood-like
stock for a savage 111? any comments would greatly be appreciated.
Thank you.
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386|386|2005-12-02 09:03:08|r40xb|.303 Sav from 30-40 Krag|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r40xb
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:02 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] .303 Sav from 30-40 Krag
Has anyone tried making .303 Sav. brass from 30-40 Krag empties as
described in the last Handloader magazine by John Barsness?
|
388|386|2005-12-04 00:19:39|r40xb|Re: .303 Sav from 30-40 Krag|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lake173
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:30 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Savage model 99F question?
|
396|394|2006-07-25 14:28:16|lynn and michelle|Re: Savage model 99F question?|
in .308.
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn and Michelle"
In case you missed it the current issue of Rifle has an excellent
article on the 99. Written by someone who is as addicted as we are.
Actually 2 articles, the end column is about a 99 that the writer
regrets selling (been there).
|
372|372|2005-09-07 17:09:53|M A C|New to the Savage Group|article on the 99. Written by someone who is as addicted as we are.
Actually 2 articles, the end column is about a 99 that the writer
regrets selling (been there).
Greetings all,
I just bought a 93R17 VSS, and this is my second one to date. I owned
a Mark II 22 Varmint I think. So, I am looking at the 12VSS as a
benchrest rifle. Is this a bad decision? Calibur is 22-250 or .308,
so I am actually leaning towards the 22-250 for precision shooting.
thanks for the info.
PS. Is there a site that discusses benchrest shooting and welcomes
all firearms makers for what is shot?
Mark
kd5zmg
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373|372|2005-09-07 17:30:17|J B. Boren|Re: New to the Savage Group|I just bought a 93R17 VSS, and this is my second one to date. I owned
a Mark II 22 Varmint I think. So, I am looking at the 12VSS as a
benchrest rifle. Is this a bad decision? Calibur is 22-250 or .308,
so I am actually leaning towards the 22-250 for precision shooting.
thanks for the info.
PS. Is there a site that discusses benchrest shooting and welcomes
all firearms makers for what is shot?
Mark
kd5zmg
There are a number of benchrest lists, but most won't be too accepting of a factory rifle for serious BR work.
I like the 12VSS a lot, and have heard that it is very accurate off-the-shelf, but unless you are lucky enough to win the Powerball lottery, don't expect to be competitive in BR shooting with one. OTS rifles simply can't compete with $2000 and up custom made guns.
You also won't find any 22-250s winning in BR competition. 22 PPC or 6mm PPC are the choices for that caliber range, and the long range stuff is being won with 6.5-284s and the like.
Good luck anyway, as that would be a fun rifle to shoot.
jbb
abq
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M A C
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 9:42 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] New to the Savage Group
I just bought a 93R17 VSS, and this is my second one to date. I owned
a Mark II 22 Varmint I think. So, I am looking at the 12VSS as a
benchrest rifle. Is this a bad decision? Calibur is 22-250 or .308,
so I am actually leaning towards the 22-250 for precision shooting.
thanks for the info.
PS. Is there a site that discusses benchrest shooting and welcomes
all firearms makers for what is shot?
Mark
kd5zmg
Can you tell me the names of groups that you would recommend?
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375|372|2005-09-08 05:09:04|M A C|Re: New to the Savage Group|Can you tell me the names of groups that you would recommend?
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376|372|2005-09-09 10:16:44|r40xb|Re: New to the Savage Group|--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "M A C" .308,
Hello Mark,
I have a 22-250 with the fluted stainless barrel. I like it a lot,
but I don't think it could compete with the .22 PPC & the rigs the
bench rest guys use. But, if you get one, you will probably love it.
The first think I did was adjust the trigger and then after finding
out that I couldn't shoot a hundred shots in a row without cleaning
it, I started using moly bullets and the accuracy did not go away
after thirty shots. With the moly came the bore scrubbing that goes
with it, so it was a trade off. It would be a good one to have even
if you have to get a different one for the bench rest competion.
Randy
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377|372|2005-09-09 17:22:42|J B. Boren|Re: New to the Savage Group|Hello Mark,
I have a 22-250 with the fluted stainless barrel. I like it a lot,
but I don't think it could compete with the .22 PPC & the rigs the
bench rest guys use. But, if you get one, you will probably love it.
The first think I did was adjust the trigger and then after finding
out that I couldn't shoot a hundred shots in a row without cleaning
it, I started using moly bullets and the accuracy did not go away
after thirty shots. With the moly came the bore scrubbing that goes
with it, so it was a trade off. It would be a good one to have even
if you have to get a different one for the bench rest competion.
Randy
You'll have to search the lists...I think smallborerifleshooting is one of the bigger groups on Yahoo.
jbb
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of M A C
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 6:20 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: New to the Savage Group
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J B. Boren"
there a site that discusses benchrest shooting and welcomes
makers for what is shot?
kd5zmg
Yahoo
Yahoo has become erratic lately. This behavior increased after Yahoo
changed the format last
spring. We have occasionally been locked out of our groups for a
short time. Some people
have even been deleted from groups.
I am suggesting three steps to follow:
First, save the homepage URL of each of your groups in your Bookmarks
section on Netscape
or your Favorites section on Internet Explorer. This should allow you
to access the group if
Yahoo takes it off your list of groups.
Second, create an email folder and save the group owners and
moderators email address into it
for each group you have. This may allow you to contact them and
inform them if there is a
problem.
Third, print a hard copy of each list and keep it in a place where you
can find it.
Ken
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379|379|2005-09-28 16:32:45|M A C|Mark II .22lr|Yahoo has become erratic lately. This behavior increased after Yahoo
changed the format last
spring. We have occasionally been locked out of our groups for a
short time. Some people
have even been deleted from groups.
I am suggesting three steps to follow:
First, save the homepage URL of each of your groups in your Bookmarks
section on Netscape
or your Favorites section on Internet Explorer. This should allow you
to access the group if
Yahoo takes it off your list of groups.
Second, create an email folder and save the group owners and
moderators email address into it
for each group you have. This may allow you to contact them and
inform them if there is a
problem.
Third, print a hard copy of each list and keep it in a place where you
can find it.
Ken
Anyone here have a Mark II .22lr rifle? How do you like it?
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380|379|2005-09-29 01:57:02|Ken Brown|Re: Mark II .22lr|I need to ask, are you referring to the Ruger M77-22 or the Ruger Mark
II semi-auto pistol?
Ken
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381|381|2005-09-29 05:25:18|burgessdos|Looking for a manual for a Savage Model 101 22 Rifle|II semi-auto pistol?
Ken
Looking for an owners manual for a Revelation Model 101 22 Single Shot
Rifle. I was told that this was made by Savage for Western Auto.
Would appreciate if anyone has a manual or knows where I could find
one. Thanks! Doss.
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382|379|2005-09-30 22:38:41|M A C|Re: Mark II .22lr|Rifle. I was told that this was made by Savage for Western Auto.
Would appreciate if anyone has a manual or knows where I could find
one. Thanks! Doss.
I was afraid someone was going to ask this. I have a Savage Mark
II .22LR:
http://10spot.cinense.org/images/MarkII22/MarkII22-1.jpg
http://10spot.cinense.org/images/MarkII22/MarkII22-2.jpg
It does not seem to be very popular, but I got mine at a good price
since the stock was considered a blem'.
Factory trig' was at 3.5lbs and now I have it down to 1lb 8oz.
Mark
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
wrote:
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383|379|2005-10-02 05:02:34|Ken Brown|Re: Mark II .22lr|II .22LR:
http://10spot.cinense.org/images/MarkII22/MarkII22-1.jpg
http://10spot.cinense.org/images/MarkII22/MarkII22-2.jpg
It does not seem to be very popular, but I got mine at a good price
since the stock was considered a blem'.
Factory trig' was at 3.5lbs and now I have it down to 1lb 8oz.
Mark
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
The last Savage .22 that I had was a model 25 pomp with an octogan
barrel. This looks to be a very nice bolt action.
Remember that any good bolt action .22 is to be treasured today. The
mass market appeal of the semi-auto has completely buried the idea of
a great, accurate bolt action rifle, unless you are willing to pay
many hundreds of dollars for one.
Ken
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384|384|2005-11-07 18:32:52|kg4zyz|need help.|barrel. This looks to be a very nice bolt action.
Remember that any good bolt action .22 is to be treasured today. The
mass market appeal of the semi-auto has completely buried the idea of
a great, accurate bolt action rifle, unless you are willing to pay
many hundreds of dollars for one.
Ken
does anyone know where i can buy a wooden stock or synthetic wood-like
stock for a savage 111? any comments would greatly be appreciated.
Thank you.
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385|384|2005-11-07 18:58:22|J B. Boren|Re: need help.|stock for a savage 111? any comments would greatly be appreciated.
Thank you.
The usual places to start are MidwayUSA (www.midwayusa.com) or Brownell's (www.brownells.com).
After that, you can always to to Numrich (www.gunpartscorp.com).
MidwayUSA will likely be the cheapest.
jbb
albuquerque
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kg4zyz
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:51 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] need help.
stock for a savage 111? any comments would greatly be appreciated.
Thank you.
Has anyone tried making .303 Sav. brass from 30-40 Krag empties as
described in the last Handloader magazine by John Barsness?
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387|386|2005-12-02 19:02:24|J B. Boren|Re: .303 Sav from 30-40 Krag|described in the last Handloader magazine by John Barsness?
I haven't had to...I've been able to find Winchester white-box at about $14 per box lately. I still have 6 or 8 unopened boxes as well as about 200 pieces of fired brass.
I read the article, and it doesn't sound too hard. I tried the 220 Swift method (a few years back; one case) described in the Cartridge Conversions manual, and found it to be a no-go, just like Johnny B did.
Let us know if it works.
jbb
albuquerque
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r40xb
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:02 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] .303 Sav from 30-40 Krag
described in the last Handloader magazine by John Barsness?
I'll post a success or failure if I get to the project. I did have
good luck with the .220 Swift though and they do seem to eject
properly. I can get about three or four shots per 30-30 brass with
worked up loads, but the proper diameter brass what I'd rather have....
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389|389|2005-12-29 10:23:19|r40xb|Old Factory .303 Cartridges|good luck with the .220 Swift though and they do seem to eject
properly. I can get about three or four shots per 30-30 brass with
worked up loads, but the proper diameter brass what I'd rather have....
A little problem I had with some old .303 Savage factory rounds made
me pull the bullets for reloading in good cases. I fired a couple in
a 100 year old Savage 99 with a good chamber and
the cases split and there was one misfire. Here is the information
from the pulled bullets. I am going to try to upload some photos for
reference as well.
.303 Savage Cartridges -- Three Brands
1. Western (3 cases): The copper color jacketed Round Nose bullets
weighed 188.8, 188.5 and 188.3 grains. The extruded powder weighed
29.6, 29.5 and 29.0 grains. The overall length was 2.524 inches.
2. UMC (3 cases): The nickel color jacketed Round Nose bullets
weighed 195.3, 194.3 and 193.5 grains. The powder looked like
miniature cheerios and weighed 26.5, 26.4 and 26.2 grains. The
overall length was 2.523 inches.
3. WRA CO. (9 cases): The nickel color jacketed Round Nose bullets
weighed 189.5, 189.2, 189.4, 189.6, 189.3, 188.1, 189.0, 188.7 and
189.6 grains. The extruded powder weighed 25.4, 27.1, 27.6, 27.9,
27.4, 23.9, 27.6, 27.2, and 26.7 grains. The primer was a brass color
with an imprint of a "w" in it's center. The overall length was 2.505
inches.
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390|390|2006-01-24 03:07:27|z_biker|Twist rate vs. Barrel length|me pull the bullets for reloading in good cases. I fired a couple in
a 100 year old Savage 99 with a good chamber and
the cases split and there was one misfire. Here is the information
from the pulled bullets. I am going to try to upload some photos for
reference as well.
.303 Savage Cartridges -- Three Brands
1. Western (3 cases): The copper color jacketed Round Nose bullets
weighed 188.8, 188.5 and 188.3 grains. The extruded powder weighed
29.6, 29.5 and 29.0 grains. The overall length was 2.524 inches.
2. UMC (3 cases): The nickel color jacketed Round Nose bullets
weighed 195.3, 194.3 and 193.5 grains. The powder looked like
miniature cheerios and weighed 26.5, 26.4 and 26.2 grains. The
overall length was 2.523 inches.
3. WRA CO. (9 cases): The nickel color jacketed Round Nose bullets
weighed 189.5, 189.2, 189.4, 189.6, 189.3, 188.1, 189.0, 188.7 and
189.6 grains. The extruded powder weighed 25.4, 27.1, 27.6, 27.9,
27.4, 23.9, 27.6, 27.2, and 26.7 grains. The primer was a brass color
with an imprint of a "w" in it's center. The overall length was 2.505
inches.
I looked over some target bolt actions in .223; a Remington XR100 and
a Savage FP10.
The XR100 had a 1:12 twist with a 26" length, the FP10 had a 1:9 twist
with a 20" length.
I thought for .223's the best choice would be a 1:9 twist. Does the
extra length make up for the longer twist rate? Also, which
projectile, make and weight, is the most accurate at say 200 yards?
Thanks,
z
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391|391|2006-05-26 06:39:47|Zephyr Stormrider|'U.N.-WELCOME': ONE WEEK TO SAVE OUR HUMAN RIGHTS TO GUNS....|a Savage FP10.
The XR100 had a 1:12 twist with a 26" length, the FP10 had a 1:9 twist
with a 20" length.
I thought for .223's the best choice would be a 1:9 twist. Does the
extra length make up for the longer twist rate? Also, which
projectile, make and weight, is the most accurate at say 200 yards?
Thanks,
z
Who will join us in New York City? Please read and forward to other groups and friends. Thanks in advance.
Frank
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392|392|2006-05-30 00:45:02|Zephyr Stormrider|Happy Memorial Day :)|Frank
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Happy Memorial Day to everyone. I hope we are all enjoying the long weekend :) While we celebrate the beginning of summer, let us not forget the men and women who lived and served before us. Below is a poem a veteran friend sent to me.
Semper fidelis,
Frank A
GySgt, USMC
He was getting old and paunchy
And his hair was falling fast,
And he sat around the Legion,
Telling stories of the past.
Of a war that he once fought in
And the deeds that he had done,
In his exploits with his buddies;
They were heroes, every one.
And 'tho sometimes to his neighbors
His tales became a joke,
All his buddies listened quietly
For they knew where of he spoke.
But we'll hear his tales no longer,
For ol' Bob has passed away,
And the world's a little poorer
For a Soldier died today.
He won't be mourned by many,
Just his children and his wife.
For he lived an ordinary,
Very quiet sort of life.
He held a job and raised a family,
Going quietly on his way;
And the world won't note his passing,
'Tho a Soldier died today.
When politicians leave this earth,
Their bodies lie in state,
While thousands note their passing,
And proclaim that they were great.
Papers tell of their life stories,
From the time that they were young,
But the passing of a Soldier
Goes unnoticed, and unsung.
Is the greatest contribution
To the welfare of our land,
Some jerk who breaks his promise
And cons his fellow man?
Or the ordinary fellow
Who in times of war and strife,
Goes off to serve his country
And offers up his life?
The politician's stipend
And the style in which he lives,
Are often disproportionate,
To the service that he gives.
While the ordinary Soldier,
Who offered up his all,
Is paid off with a medal
And perhaps a pension, small.
It's so easy to forget them,
For it is so many times
That our Bobs and Jims and Johnnys,
Went to battle, but we know,
It is not the politicians
With their compromise and ploys,
Who won for us the freedom
That our country now enjoys.
Should you find yourself in danger,
With your enemies at hand,
Would you really want some cop-out,
With his ever waffling stand?
Or would you want a Soldier
His home, his country, his kin,
Just a common Soldier,
Who would fight until the end.
He was just a common Soldier,
And his ranks are growing thin,
But his presence should remind us
We may need his like again.
For when countries are in conflict,
We find the Soldier's part
Is to clean up all the troubles
That the politicians start.
If we cannot do him honor
While he's here to hear the praise,
Then at least let's give him homage
At the ending of his days.
Perhaps just a simply headline
In the paper that might say:
"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
--
YM ZephyrHawaii
AIM ZephyrNewYork
Fax 484-348-7342
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
- attributed to George Orwell, pen name of Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950) British novelist, essayist, and journalist
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393|393|2006-06-22 18:26:54|hilgerbrand|New Gunsmith at High Mountain hunting Supply|Semper fidelis,
Frank A
GySgt, USMC
A Soldier's Tale
He was getting old and paunchy
And his hair was falling fast,
And he sat around the Legion,
Telling stories of the past.
Of a war that he once fought in
And the deeds that he had done,
In his exploits with his buddies;
They were heroes, every one.
And 'tho sometimes to his neighbors
His tales became a joke,
All his buddies listened quietly
For they knew where of he spoke.
But we'll hear his tales no longer,
For ol' Bob has passed away,
And the world's a little poorer
For a Soldier died today.
He won't be mourned by many,
Just his children and his wife.
For he lived an ordinary,
Very quiet sort of life.
He held a job and raised a family,
Going quietly on his way;
And the world won't note his passing,
'Tho a Soldier died today.
When politicians leave this earth,
Their bodies lie in state,
While thousands note their passing,
And proclaim that they were great.
Papers tell of their life stories,
From the time that they were young,
But the passing of a Soldier
Goes unnoticed, and unsung.
Is the greatest contribution
To the welfare of our land,
Some jerk who breaks his promise
And cons his fellow man?
Or the ordinary fellow
Who in times of war and strife,
Goes off to serve his country
And offers up his life?
The politician's stipend
And the style in which he lives,
Are often disproportionate,
To the service that he gives.
While the ordinary Soldier,
Who offered up his all,
Is paid off with a medal
And perhaps a pension, small.
It's so easy to forget them,
For it is so many times
That our Bobs and Jims and Johnnys,
Went to battle, but we know,
It is not the politicians
With their compromise and ploys,
Who won for us the freedom
That our country now enjoys.
Should you find yourself in danger,
With your enemies at hand,
Would you really want some cop-out,
With his ever waffling stand?
Or would you want a Soldier
His home, his country, his kin,
Just a common Soldier,
Who would fight until the end.
He was just a common Soldier,
And his ranks are growing thin,
But his presence should remind us
We may need his like again.
For when countries are in conflict,
We find the Soldier's part
Is to clean up all the troubles
That the politicians start.
If we cannot do him honor
While he's here to hear the praise,
Then at least let's give him homage
At the ending of his days.
Perhaps just a simply headline
In the paper that might say:
"OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, A SOLDIER DIED TODAY."
--
YM ZephyrHawaii
AIM ZephyrNewYork
Fax 484-348-7342
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
- attributed to George Orwell, pen name of Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950) British novelist, essayist, and journalist
Hey Guys-
Just wanted to let you know we just added a new gunsmith to High
Mountain Hunting Supply. To kick of the hiring of Joe Schwilke, we are
offering free mounting, ring lapping, and laser boresighting of any
rifle, scope, and hardware package.
Thanks!
http://www.luvtohunt.com/gunsmith.html
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394|394|2006-07-24 19:13:04|lake173|Savage model 99F question?|Just wanted to let you know we just added a new gunsmith to High
Mountain Hunting Supply. To kick of the hiring of Joe Schwilke, we are
offering free mounting, ring lapping, and laser boresighting of any
rifle, scope, and hardware package.
Thanks!
http://www.luvtohunt.com/gunsmith.html
Hi, I have a savage model 99F serial #911143 and was wanting to know
what year it was made? If anyone can help I would appreciate it...
Thanks
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395|394|2006-07-24 19:20:38|J B. Boren|Re: Savage model 99F question?|what year it was made? If anyone can help I would appreciate it...
Thanks
Around 1956, is my best guess based on serial number.
Do this- look on the front of the lever boss, on the outside, in front of the trigger. There should be a small oval stamp with a number and a letter in it (they can be hard to read, as they are small). Send me the number/letter, and I can give you an exact year.
thx,
jbb
albuquerque
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lake173
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:30 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Savage model 99F question?
Hi, I have a savage model 99F serial #911143 and was wanting to know
what year it was made? If anyone can help I would appreciate it...
Thanks
What caliber is your 99F? I have a 99RS in .300 Sav. Made in 1953.
Lynn
lake173
lake173
http://www.savage99.com/savage99_dates.htm
The above site says it was manufactured in 1951 or later, but it doesn't
pin down the exact year.
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398|394|2006-08-14 04:55:45|Don McCoy|Re: Savage model 99F question?|The above site says it was manufactured in 1951 or later, but it doesn't
pin down the exact year.
Hi,
the caliber is a 308...
lynn and michelle
lynn and michelle
Hi, my name is Rachel, and I shoot,reload,hunt, and just purchased a
69' or 70' Model 99F. I want an earlier model, but this one is so
pristine, I could not resist it. It is coming in the mail now, and I
wonder if there are bugs on this newer model I should be aware of?? My
brother has a 99F he purchased in the 50's in .308, and has used it
for deer ever since. He will probably pass it on to his kids, so I
wanted one of my own.
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400|399|2006-08-22 05:27:39|lynn and michelle|Re: New member|69' or 70' Model 99F. I want an earlier model, but this one is so
pristine, I could not resist it. It is coming in the mail now, and I
wonder if there are bugs on this newer model I should be aware of?? My
brother has a 99F he purchased in the 50's in .308, and has used it
for deer ever since. He will probably pass it on to his kids, so I
wanted one of my own.
What caliber is your 99? I have a 99 RS that was made in 1953 in .300 Savage. A lot of people hunt and use the newer 99s. I dont know of any real problems with them. Does yours have a removable magazine? The eariler ones had the rotory mags with brass counters. The ones with serial numbers under 1,000,000 are called pre mil. I would really like a pre mil in .358 winchester. The collector value of the 99s are really high. Mine had some surface rust on it but the inside looks brand new. I plan on using it to hunt with this year.
Lynn
Rachel Dzierzek
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Dzierzek
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:24 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] steve
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403|401|2006-08-22 21:25:43|Randy Farchmin|Re: 358 Win Sav 99| |
404|401|2006-08-23 00:22:12|J B. Boren|Re: 358 Win Sav 99|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Farchmin
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Savage-firearms] 358 Win Sav 99
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405|401|2006-08-23 08:08:04|Rachel Dzierzek|Re: 358 Win Sav 99|
Rachel Dzierzek
Hi, I found about six 99's in a local gun shop for about $350 each,
but they were all in rough shape, and most in the 300 Savage. My in
coming in tomorrow, a .358 Win, so as to condition, I don't know for
sure. The pics sent me looked really nice, and it did not have a
removal magazine. I wanted this gun for a shooter, to hunt with, but
if it is too nice a shape, I may keep it on the shelf. I bought 2
cartridges in a gun show for $1 each. There are none available
anywhere commercially, so you either load your own, or find a person
who reloads. I intend to but the dies, and do my own by using .308
brass, and at the gun show, I met a man who sells reloads. I am a big
bore person, and presently use a Marlin 45-70 I purchased soon after
they came out. My dream, as they cost too much, is to convert mine
into a .50 Alaskan. I have a Herters in.458Win Mag, I bought in the
1970's, so I am used to recoil, and beside, I think most of this
recoil stuff is hype by gun writers. I think a lot of people read, and
then get scared to fire a big bore gun. I'll let you know how it looks
when I get it. Rachel
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402|401|2006-08-22 16:45:14|J B. Boren|Re: 358 Win Sav 99|but they were all in rough shape, and most in the 300 Savage. My in
coming in tomorrow, a .358 Win, so as to condition, I don't know for
sure. The pics sent me looked really nice, and it did not have a
removal magazine. I wanted this gun for a shooter, to hunt with, but
if it is too nice a shape, I may keep it on the shelf. I bought 2
cartridges in a gun show for $1 each. There are none available
anywhere commercially, so you either load your own, or find a person
who reloads. I intend to but the dies, and do my own by using .308
brass, and at the gun show, I met a man who sells reloads. I am a big
bore person, and presently use a Marlin 45-70 I purchased soon after
they came out. My dream, as they cost too much, is to convert mine
into a .50 Alaskan. I have a Herters in.458Win Mag, I bought in the
1970's, so I am used to recoil, and beside, I think most of this
recoil stuff is hype by gun writers. I think a lot of people read, and
then get scared to fire a big bore gun. I'll let you know how it looks
when I get it. Rachel
358 Win ammo is still produced by Winchester and is readily available.
The 99s in 358 are averaging around $1000 now in very good condition...take care of that thing.
jbb
albuquerque
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Dzierzek
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:24 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] steve
Hi, I found about six 99's in a local gun shop for about $350 each,
but they were all in rough shape, and most in the 300 Savage. My in
coming in tomorrow, a .358 Win, so as to condition, I don't know for
sure. The pics sent me looked really nice, and it did not have a
removal magazine. I wanted this gun for a shooter, to hunt with, but
if it is too nice a shape, I may keep it on the shelf. I bought 2
cartridges in a gun show for $1 each. There are none available
anywhere commercially, so you either load your own, or find a person
who reloads. I intend to but the dies, and do my own by using .308
brass, and at the gun show, I met a man who sells reloads. I am a big
bore person, and presently use a Marlin 45-70 I purchased soon after
they came out. My dream, as they cost too much, is to convert mine
into a .50 Alaskan. I have a Herters in.458Win Mag, I bought in the
1970's, so I am used to recoil, and beside, I think most of this
recoil stuff is hype by gun writers. I think a lot of people read, and
then get scared to fire a big bore gun. I'll let you know how it looks
when I get it. Rachel
Our local Sportsman's Warehouse has 200-gn STs in stock for about $26 a box. One of the local gun shops had some as well a few weeks ago.
I roll my own and got a good supply of brass from MidwayUSA this winter.
jbb
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Randy Farchmin
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:53 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Savage-firearms] 358 Win Sav 99
Well, it came in today, with a Weaver 21/2 power scope attached, and
those old style tip over mounts, so you can use the iron sights. It
appear to be in fine shape, except for a small nick on the right
side. I have to clean it, and then will take pics to post. It has a
rubber butt plate, and is super light. Did the guns come like that
in 69', or 70' , or was it modified? As to the cartridges, I can't
seem to find any locally. I tried several places, and so far, no
luck in finding a box. I tried the Winchester Ammo site, and they
had none listed. I don't think it was a popular Arizona caliber.
I'll call the man I met at the local gun show, and let him make me
some up until I get my own dies, etc.Rachel
-- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J B. Boren" $26 a
winter.
Farchmin
didn't
are
loaded
(10
reloads,
pricing.
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406|401|2006-08-24 14:36:03|lynn and michelle|Re: 358 Win Sav 99|those old style tip over mounts, so you can use the iron sights. It
appear to be in fine shape, except for a small nick on the right
side. I have to clean it, and then will take pics to post. It has a
rubber butt plate, and is super light. Did the guns come like that
in 69', or 70' , or was it modified? As to the cartridges, I can't
seem to find any locally. I tried several places, and so far, no
luck in finding a box. I tried the Winchester Ammo site, and they
had none listed. I don't think it was a popular Arizona caliber.
I'll call the man I met at the local gun show, and let him make me
some up until I get my own dies, etc.Rachel
-- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J B. Boren"
winter.
Farchmin
didn't
are
loaded
(10
reloads,
pricing.
Cheaper than dirt has unprimed .358 brass for $26 per 50
Lynn
Rachel Dzierzek
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Dzierzek
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:05 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] 358 Win ammo
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409|401|2006-08-25 04:21:23|Rachel Dzierzek|Re: 358 Win Sav 99|
Rachel Dzierzek
Well guys, I called several guns shops, stopped by Sports Authority,
Sports Warehouse, even WalMart, and no one had any ammo. I guess roll
your own is the only way to go. Rachel
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408|407|2006-08-24 22:46:07|J B. Boren|Re: 358 Win ammo|Sports Warehouse, even WalMart, and no one had any ammo. I guess roll
your own is the only way to go. Rachel
Try
or
or
or
jbb
abq
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rachel Dzierzek
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:05 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] 358 Win ammo
Well guys, I called several guns shops, stopped by Sports Authority,
Sports Warehouse, even WalMart, and no one had any ammo. I guess roll
your own is the only way to go. Rachel
It's out of stock at Cheaper than dirt. Thanks anyway. Rachel
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, lynn and michelle
It
a
about
WInchester
200
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410|410|2006-08-25 04:41:12|Rachel Dzierzek|Rachel's 99F .358 Win|--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, lynn and michelle
a
about
WInchester
200
I added pics under my name. It is suppose to be a 69 or 70 vintage, and
the rubber butt plate does not say Savage, but Pachmar. Has it been
cut?? Rachel
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411|410|2006-08-25 05:14:17|Ken Brown|Re: Rachel's 99F .358 Win|the rubber butt plate does not say Savage, but Pachmar. Has it been
cut?? Rachel
Howdy, Rachel.
Yes, the standard butt plate has been removed and the Pachmar recoil
pad has been put on. They are a little easier on the shoulder than
the original butt plate, and they are very good quality.
As to ammo, have you tried Black Hills? These are the people who make
a lot of Cowboy loads. They might have a source of ammo. There is
(or was) also a company called The Old Western Scrounger. If they are
still in business, they might have ammo.
BTW: From your pics, to me this looks older than the '69 or 70
production Savage. Somewhere about that time, I thought they changed
wood and went to a lighter stock.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Rachel Dzierzek"
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412|410|2006-08-25 05:28:28|Rachel Dzierzek|Re: Rachel's 99F .358 Win|
Yes, the standard butt plate has been removed and the Pachmar recoil
pad has been put on. They are a little easier on the shoulder than
the original butt plate, and they are very good quality.
As to ammo, have you tried Black Hills? These are the people who make
a lot of Cowboy loads. They might have a source of ammo. There is
(or was) also a company called The Old Western Scrounger. If they are
still in business, they might have ammo.
BTW: From your pics, to me this looks older than the '69 or 70
production Savage. Somewhere about that time, I thought they changed
wood and went to a lighter stock.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Rachel Dzierzek"
Thanks for the reply, I was just trying to find out what year it was
make. I read that a code in front of the lever would help, but mine
looks like 211, not a letter like the list I looked at. Do you know
how bad the pad might affect the resale value. I don't intend to
ever sell it, leaving it for my boys. Let them fight over my "boy
toys", and beside, I want to hunt with it a time, or two.
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
make
are
changed
vintage, and
been
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413|410|2006-08-25 07:24:15|Rachel Dzierzek|Re: Rachel's 99F .358 Win|make. I read that a code in front of the lever would help, but mine
looks like 211, not a letter like the list I looked at. Do you know
how bad the pad might affect the resale value. I don't intend to
ever sell it, leaving it for my boys. Let them fight over my "boy
toys", and beside, I want to hunt with it a time, or two.
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
are
changed
vintage, and
been
I tried both, and neither had any ammo. Thanks for the links. Rachel
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
make
are
changed
vintage, and
been
|
414|410|2006-08-25 14:56:40|lynn and michelle|Re: Rachel's 99F .358 Win|--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Brown"
are
changed
vintage, and
been
Hey Rachel,
You might want to go and register at www.savageshooters.net. For a small fee they can tell you what month and year your 99 was made. Thats how I found out mine was made in May of 1953. There is a guy on there with a screen name bigdog as well as some others who could probably help you find some ammo too.I doesnt cost anything to regester and join the forum but it will if you want to know about dating your rifle.
Lynn
Rachel Dzierzek
Rachel Dzierzek
Try www.ammobank .com for ammo. Its kinda pricey but they have it in stock.
Lynn
Rachel Dzierzek
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lynn and michelle
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:50 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Re: Rachel's 99F .358 Win
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417|417|2006-08-28 18:23:40|paladinwilltravel|Want Stockmaker Recommendations....|
Rachel Dzierzek
If you send me the lever boss code I can tell you the year, and possibly the month, of manufacture, and I don't charge a dime.
The lever boss code is stamped in a small oval in the front of the lever boss in front of the trigger. It should be a letter and a number. Send the serial number as well, as this helps with the year.
jbb
abq
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lynn and michelle
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 6:50 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Re: Rachel's 99F .358 Win
Hey Rachel,
You might want to go and register at www.savageshooters. net. For a small fee they can tell you what month and year your 99 was made. Thats how I found out mine was made in May of 1953. There is a guy on there with a screen name bigdog as well as some others who could probably help you find some ammo too.I doesnt cost anything to regester and join the forum but it will if you want to know about dating your rifle.
Lynn
Rachel Dzierzek
Rachel Dzierzek
Need the names and contact info for skilled stockmakers able to
replicate the early "factory" stock and forearm for the Savage Model
1899 Takedown model. Does anyone have a recommendation???
Paladin
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418|417|2006-08-29 03:54:52|Ken Brown|Re: Want Stockmaker Recommendations....|replicate the early "factory" stock and forearm for the Savage Model
1899 Takedown model. Does anyone have a recommendation???
Paladin
Evening, Paladin.
Several years ago I bought a Savage 99 barreled action. I wanted to
have it rebarreled into 7mm/08. My gunsmith and I looked for a long
time but did not find any replacement stocks that I liked.
I would suggest looking for a takedown model with a bad barrel, or
with problems in the metal, that has a good stock, and use the stock.
I am going to guess that you could do this and have an original stock
for about the same money as you could have a replacement stock fitted
to the rifle.
BTW: The takedown model in .300 Savage was the first 99 that I
bought, many years ago.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "paladinwilltravel"
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419|417|2006-08-29 04:11:51|Paladin|Re: Want Stockmaker Recommendations....|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r40xb
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:42 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: Time to toss out a topic
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427|423|2008-01-04 17:48:20|K. Brown|Re: Time to toss out a topic|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of E. J. Buteau
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:20 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: Time to toss out a topic
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432|423|2008-01-07 17:26:09|J B. Boren|Re: Time to toss out a topic|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paladin
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:45 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Re: Time to toss out a topic
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433|423|2008-01-07 17:55:08|J B. Boren|Re: Time to toss out a topic|
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of K. Brown
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:48 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: Time to toss out a topic
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434|434|2008-01-08 00:37:12|dougcale@earthlink.net|300 savage| You have been invited to view doug's photos!
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435|423|2008-01-09 15:28:50|E. J. Buteau|Re: Time to toss out a topic|
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438|436|2008-02-26 20:49:03|jtrascal99|Re: new member|
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441|439|2008-02-26 22:44:55|jtrascal99|Re: savage940e shotgun|
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479|476|2009-06-09 15:56:55|J B Boren|Re: Savage 99 reloading|
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496|488|2009-09-27 05:58:20|J B Boren|Re: .22 Savage High Power info....|
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511|504|2010-08-24 17:20:42|J B Boren|Re: Savage 99|
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523|520|2012-04-02 01:23:59|David Daniels|Re: 303 Savage|
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524|520|2012-04-02 03:42:14|Ken|Re: 303 Savage|
From: J B Boren
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527|520|2012-04-02 23:35:23|Paladin|Re: 303 Savage|
Several years ago I bought a Savage 99 barreled action. I wanted to
have it rebarreled into 7mm/08. My gunsmith and I looked for a long
time but did not find any replacement stocks that I liked.
I would suggest looking for a takedown model with a bad barrel, or
with problems in the metal, that has a good stock, and use the stock.
I am going to guess that you could do this and have an original stock
for about the same money as you could have a replacement stock fitted
to the rifle.
BTW: The takedown model in .300 Savage was the first 99 that I
bought, many years ago.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "paladinwilltravel"
Many thanks. I do have the wood, but it is rough-shaped and needs final
configuration and fitting. Any direction I jump, the costs seem to end up
about the same.
In southern Indiana, Model 1899s which fit your description are around,
but to be kind in the way I put it, "Bubba got there first." Life is prickly,
Paladin
---------------------------------------------
--- Ken Brown <savage99_250@...
Evening, Paladin.
Several years ago I bought a Savage 99 barreled action. I wanted to
have it rebarreled into 7mm/08. My gunsmith and I looked for a long
time but did not find any replacement stocks that I liked.
I would suggest looking for a takedown model with a bad barrel, or
with problems in the metal, that has a good stock, and use the stock.
I am going to guess that you could do this and have an original stock
for about the same money as you could have a replacement stock fitted
to the rifle.
BTW: The takedown model in .300 Savage was the first 99 that I
bought, many years ago.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "paladinwilltravel"
Need the names and contact info for skilled stockmakers able to
replicate the early "factory" stock and forearm for the Savage Model
1899 Takedown model. Does anyone have a recommendation???
Paladin
Yahoo! Groups Links
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420|417|2006-08-29 04:50:17|Ken Brown|Re: Want Stockmaker Recommendations....|configuration and fitting. Any direction I jump, the costs seem to end up
about the same.
In southern Indiana, Model 1899s which fit your description are around,
but to be kind in the way I put it, "Bubba got there first."
Paladin
---------------------------------------------
--- Ken Brown <savage99_250@...
Evening, Paladin.
Several years ago I bought a Savage 99 barreled action. I wanted to
have it rebarreled into 7mm/08. My gunsmith and I looked for a long
time but did not find any replacement stocks that I liked.
I would suggest looking for a takedown model with a bad barrel, or
with problems in the metal, that has a good stock, and use the stock.
I am going to guess that you could do this and have an original stock
for about the same money as you could have a replacement stock fitted
to the rifle.
BTW: The takedown model in .300 Savage was the first 99 that I
bought, many years ago.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "paladinwilltravel"
replicate the early "factory" stock and forearm for the Savage Model
1899 Takedown model. Does anyone have a recommendation???
Paladin
Yahoo! Groups Links
The only other thing I can suggest is to look for a good craftsman.
My uncle made custom rifle stocks for years. This was a hobby, and he
was a fine craftsman.
The money he made from this was set aside, and he and my aunt would be
able to go north to the Wyoming or Montana area and hunt every two or
three years.
Now his health is bad, and he does not drive any more, but he has the
memories of those hunts and of the people he met over the years.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, Paladin
end up
around,
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421|421|2006-09-22 18:38:56|Talon|Hi All ..|My uncle made custom rifle stocks for years. This was a hobby, and he
was a fine craftsman.
The money he made from this was set aside, and he and my aunt would be
able to go north to the Wyoming or Montana area and hunt every two or
three years.
Now his health is bad, and he does not drive any more, but he has the
memories of those hunts and of the people he met over the years.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, Paladin
around,
I'm Talon ..
I own 4 savage 99's one in 300sav., one in 7mm08 (a C model)custom
stocked by Great American Gunstock Company
http://www.gunstocks.com/ , and a E model I had rebarreled in
358win .. and the fourth is a f model in 308 .. I'm sending to Mazys
in Az{http://www.mazys.com/}. for rebarreling in 7mm-08 the C model
feeds lousy) .. just thought I intro myself and hang with you guys
and gals ..
Oh !!! midway {http://www.midwayusa.com/}gets 358win one a year
(just came in)but it goes way fast .. 200grn silver tip .. ok @
2490fps but fresh factory stuff ...
I was in {OLD DOMINION SPORTS CENTER 2828 VALLEY AVE
WINCHESTER, VA 22601 ph 540-667-4867 they had the same stuff for
about $35-ish a box .. there was about 10 boxes as of today ..
pleased to meet ya'll .........
H_Talon
H-Talon ( Scramblers Rule :-)
900RRv1.0
Your Break-Over Angle (BOA) is 26.49 degrees!
-- http://www.rigrater.com --
I know not the best ... but getting there ....
http://profiles.yahoo.com/h_talon
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422|422|2006-09-22 18:46:49|E. J. Buteau|Savage 440 12 ga.|I own 4 savage 99's one in 300sav., one in 7mm08 (a C model)custom
stocked by Great American Gunstock Company
http://www.gunstocks.com/ , and a E model I had rebarreled in
358win .. and the fourth is a f model in 308 .. I'm sending to Mazys
in Az{http://www.mazys.com/}. for rebarreling in 7mm-08 the C model
feeds lousy) .. just thought I intro myself and hang with you guys
and gals ..
Oh !!! midway {http://www.midwayusa.com/}gets 358win one a year
(just came in)but it goes way fast .. 200grn silver tip .. ok @
2490fps but fresh factory stuff ...
I was in {OLD DOMINION SPORTS CENTER 2828 VALLEY AVE
WINCHESTER, VA 22601 ph 540-667-4867 they had the same stuff for
about $35-ish a box .. there was about 10 boxes as of today ..
pleased to meet ya'll .........
H_Talon
H-Talon ( Scramblers Rule :-)
900RRv1.0
Your Break-Over Angle (BOA) is 26.49 degrees!
-- http://www.rigrater.com --
I know not the best ... but getting there ....
http://profiles.yahoo.com/h_talon
Hi Boys and Girls,
I just joined, so thanks, and am familiar with gun groups. The only
other Savage brand I have is a 1907 in .32. Have a question for
someone that knows:
How do you select the bbl. on a Savage 440? I've got a full top and
cylinder bottom. I haven't fired it yet. I also can't find a manual
on the auctions or at SavageArms.
John
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423|423|2007-12-31 04:24:03|K. Brown|Time to toss out a topic|I just joined, so thanks, and am familiar with gun groups. The only
other Savage brand I have is a 1907 in .32. Have a question for
someone that knows:
How do you select the bbl. on a Savage 440? I've got a full top and
cylinder bottom. I haven't fired it yet. I also can't find a manual
on the auctions or at SavageArms.
John
It's time to toss out a topic and get some activity going.
I visited one of the shops where I buy on Friday. There, on the wall,
almost hidden was a strange looking Savage99, in 300 Savage caliber.
A closer inspection showed that some one in the past had chopped the
barrel off. The 22 inch barrel was cut to 18 inches. This was a 1949
production Savage in great condition, except for the barrel.
After my horror faded, and reason again took over, I could see
potential in this shorter barrel as a brush gun, or as a truck gun. I
don't need it. I have two .300 Savages. I began to wonder how the
shorter barrel would affect bullet speed and accuracy? Anyone have
any ideas?
Ken
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424|423|2007-12-31 07:53:29|Paladin|Re: Time to toss out a topic|I visited one of the shops where I buy on Friday. There, on the wall,
almost hidden was a strange looking Savage99, in 300 Savage caliber.
A closer inspection showed that some one in the past had chopped the
barrel off. The 22 inch barrel was cut to 18 inches. This was a 1949
production Savage in great condition, except for the barrel.
After my horror faded, and reason again took over, I could see
potential in this shorter barrel as a brush gun, or as a truck gun. I
don't need it. I have two .300 Savages. I began to wonder how the
shorter barrel would affect bullet speed and accuracy? Anyone have
any ideas?
Ken
--- "K. Brown" <savage99_250@...
It's time to toss out a topic and get some activity going.
I visited one of the shops where I buy on Friday. There, on the wall,
almost hidden was a strange looking Savage99, in 300 Savage caliber.
A closer inspection showed that some one in the past had chopped the
barrel off. The 22 inch barrel was cut to 18 inches. This was a 1949
production Savage in great condition, except for the barrel.
After my horror faded, and reason again took over, I could see
potential in this shorter barrel as a brush gun, or as a truck gun. I
don't need it. I have two .300 Savages. I began to wonder how the
shorter barrel would affect bullet speed and accuracy? Anyone have
any ideas?
Ken
----------------------------------------------------------
The rule of thumb for "normal" barrel-shortening is, there will be a
velocity reduction of about 50 feet per second for each inch of barrel
removed.
Obviously, this is an approximation.
I have a hazy recollection that below 15 to 16 inches of length, the
velocity reduction (using the same ammo, of course) may increase.
Paladin
==========================================
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425|423|2008-01-01 23:41:45|r40xb|Re: Time to toss out a topic|It's time to toss out a topic and get some activity going.
I visited one of the shops where I buy on Friday. There, on the wall,
almost hidden was a strange looking Savage99, in 300 Savage caliber.
A closer inspection showed that some one in the past had chopped the
barrel off. The 22 inch barrel was cut to 18 inches. This was a 1949
production Savage in great condition, except for the barrel.
After my horror faded, and reason again took over, I could see
potential in this shorter barrel as a brush gun, or as a truck gun. I
don't need it. I have two .300 Savages. I began to wonder how the
shorter barrel would affect bullet speed and accuracy? Anyone have
any ideas?
Ken
----------------------------------------------------------
The rule of thumb for "normal" barrel-shortening is, there will be a
velocity reduction of about 50 feet per second for each inch of barrel
removed.
Obviously, this is an approximation.
I have a hazy recollection that below 15 to 16 inches of length, the
velocity reduction (using the same ammo, of course) may increase.
Paladin
==========================================
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "K. Brown" Hi Ken,
I calculated some velocities based on information from a Remington
target. If the formula they used is correct, it looks like you won't
loose much in velocity. With a 24" test barrel at 2573 f.p.s. muzzle
velocity, a six inch reduction of barrel length would result in an
83.76 f.p.s. velocity loss or a working velocity of 2489.2 f.p.s. in
the 18" barrel. If the same 2573 f.p.s. were shot from a 22" test
barrel, then the velocity loss would be only 55.84 f.p.s. for the four
inch difference. It would drop to 2573.
randy
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426|423|2008-01-03 17:37:20|J B. Boren|Re: Time to toss out a topic|I calculated some velocities based on information from a Remington
target. If the formula they used is correct, it looks like you won't
loose much in velocity. With a 24" test barrel at 2573 f.p.s. muzzle
velocity, a six inch reduction of barrel length would result in an
83.76 f.p.s. velocity loss or a working velocity of 2489.2 f.p.s. in
the 18" barrel. If the same 2573 f.p.s. were shot from a 22" test
barrel, then the velocity loss would be only 55.84 f.p.s. for the four
inch difference. It would drop to 2573.
randy
The 20-inch barreled 99s handle like a dream. If the price is right, I'd pick it up for the fun of it.
I agree with Randy...the lost velocity won't be excessive.
jbb
amarillo
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of r40xb
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 3:42 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: Time to toss out a topic
--- In Savage-firearms@ yahoogroups. com, "K. Brown"
loose much in velocity. With a 24" test barrel at 2573 f.p.s. muzzle
velocity, a six inch reduction of barrel length would result in an
83.76 f.p.s. velocity loss or a working velocity of 2489.2 f.p.s. in
the 18" barrel. If the same 2573 f.p.s. were shot from a 22" test
barrel, then the velocity loss would be only 55.84 f.p.s. for the four
inch difference. It would drop to 2573.
randy
This one is in good condition, and If I needed another one, I
probably would buy it. The asking price is $399.
If I were younger, I would be tempted to rebarrel it to 7mm-08,
or .22-250.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J B. Boren" right,
wall,
caliber.
the
1949
gun. I
four
s=97359714/grpId=2502976/grpspId=1705069100/m
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428|423|2008-01-04 17:54:24|bylabelle|Re: Time to toss out a topic|probably would buy it. The asking price is $399.
If I were younger, I would be tempted to rebarrel it to 7mm-08,
or .22-250.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J B. Boren"
wall,
caliber.
the
1949
gun. I
four
s=97359714/grpId=2502976/grpspId=1705069100/m
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "K. Brown"
caliber.
the
1949
gun. I
Happy New Year Everyone,
From my old readings as befits a classic like the .300 Savage,
approximately 35-40fps per inch of barrel is lost. I could be wrong
as I have not gone shooting in months.
Byron La Belle
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429|423|2008-01-06 07:20:21|E. J. Buteau|Re: Time to toss out a topic|the
1949
gun. I
Happy New Year Everyone,
From my old readings as befits a classic like the .300 Savage,
approximately 35-40fps per inch of barrel is lost. I could be wrong
as I have not gone shooting in months.
Byron La Belle
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J B. Boren" I may have an oppotunity to buy a 99 in .22 Savage High Power. We
can't come to terms. It's used, slightly abused and got a crack in the
stock. Any ground I can expect to deal from?
Thanks
John
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430|423|2008-01-06 07:44:38|Paladin|Re: Time to toss out a topic|can't come to terms. It's used, slightly abused and got a crack in the
stock. Any ground I can expect to deal from?
Thanks
John
--- "E. J. Buteau" <ejbuteau45@...
I may have an oppotunity to buy a 99 in .22 Savage High Power. We
can't come to terms. It's used, slightly abused and got a crack in the
stock. Any ground I can expect to deal from?
Thanks
John
---------------------------------------------------
---What is his price so far?
I have an 1899 Takedown in Imp, and a spare barrel in .250-3000, plus
the hope of someday finding a good "cast bullet" barrel in .303 Savage.
These tidbits may be helpful:
---My Imp's groove diameter is .224" --NOT .228"
---The .22 Savage High Power case easily is made by full-length sizing
down .25-35 WCF (not .30-30!).
---The stock on my rifle would make a strong man wretch. It has 4/6
checkering, for example.
(4/6 checkering: Bubba rapidly downed four six-packs before picking up
his woodrasp and having at it)
Up on a shelf somewhere, awaiting the discovery of a really professional
custom stockmaker, are some decent rough-shaped blanks for the Savage
1899. As a practical matter, I seriously doubt I ever will see these done
in my lifetime....
Paladin
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431|423|2008-01-07 17:21:51|J B. Boren|Re: Time to toss out a topic|I may have an oppotunity to buy a 99 in .22 Savage High Power. We
can't come to terms. It's used, slightly abused and got a crack in the
stock. Any ground I can expect to deal from?
Thanks
John
---------------------------------------------------
---What is his price so far?
I have an 1899 Takedown in Imp, and a spare barrel in .250-3000, plus
the hope of someday finding a good "cast bullet" barrel in .303 Savage.
These tidbits may be helpful:
---My Imp's groove diameter is .224" --NOT .228"
---The .22 Savage High Power case easily is made by full-length sizing
down .25-35 WCF (not .30-30!).
---The stock on my rifle would make a strong man wretch. It has 4/6
checkering, for example.
(4/6 checkering: Bubba rapidly downed four six-packs before picking up
his woodrasp and having at it)
Up on a shelf somewhere, awaiting the discovery of a really professional
custom stockmaker, are some decent rough-shaped blanks for the Savage
1899. As a practical matter, I seriously doubt I ever will see these done
in my lifetime....
Paladin
=====================================================
I've seen these sell for as low as $350 to $400 on up to as high as $700, depending on the location and the seller. Obviously, mint condition ones go much higher.
I'm not sure what "slightly abused" means but if it means well-hunted, and a crack behind the tang (which many of them have), I'd be willing to pay up to maybe $500 for it. If you are desperate, a bit more.
If the crack is in the forarm (these are harder to find and replace), deduct a bit more. If "slightly abused" means some damage to the rifle, again, deduct a bit more.
jbb
amarillo
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of E. J. Buteau
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:20 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: Time to toss out a topic
--- In Savage-firearms@ yahoogroups. com, "J B. Boren"
stock. Any ground I can expect to deal from?
Thanks
John
We have three or four 22 HPs (can't remember how many dad has). All of them have a groove diameter of about 0.226" to 0.227". I'm surprised to see one at .224"...but lucky you, it'll shoot cheaper bullets.
I use .224" bullets in handloads for all of ours and they all shoot OK. Only one of them is a tack driver, and that load is a factory load (Norma, $$ of course). I keep both Hornady and Speer 0.227" and 0.228" bullets (respectively), but neither improves the accuracy much in the rifles. I'm not real sure they are very good quality bullets, in any case (npi).
I have a similar nice rough-shaped blank, and a similar serious doubt about my lifetime...
jbb
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paladin
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:45 PM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Savage-firearms] Re: Time to toss out a topic
---What is his price so far?
I have an 1899 Takedown in Imp, and a spare barrel in .250-3000, plus
the hope of someday finding a good "cast bullet" barrel in .303 Savage.
These tidbits may be helpful:
---My Imp's groove diameter is .224" --NOT .228"
---The .22 Savage High Power case easily is made by full-length sizing
down .25-35 WCF (not .30-30!).
---The stock on my rifle would make a strong man wretch. It has 4/6
checkering, for example.
(4/6 checkering: Bubba rapidly downed four six-packs before picking up
his woodrasp and having at it)
Up on a shelf somewhere, awaiting the discovery of a really professional
custom stockmaker, are some decent rough-shaped blanks for the Savage
1899. As a practical matter, I seriously doubt I ever will see these done
in my lifetime....
Paladin
============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====
Dad rebarreled one in 260 Rem. It is one of the finest shooting guns I've ever seen.
jbb
From: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of K. Brown
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:48 AM
To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: Time to toss out a topic
This one is in good condition, and If I needed another one, I
probably would buy it. The asking price is $399.
If I were younger, I would be tempted to rebarrel it to 7mm-08,
or .22-250.
Ken
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Paladin,
He's in the $400 ball park. Condition was my alert. Maybe I'll let
this one pass.
John
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plus
Savage.
sizing
4/6
picking up
professional
Savage
these done
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436|436|2008-02-26 20:29:48|jtrascal99|new member|He's in the $400 ball park. Condition was my alert. Maybe I'll let
this one pass.
John
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, Paladin
Savage.
sizing
4/6
picking up
professional
Savage
these done
Hell'o, can anyone tell me what a 9400 savage 12ga. in good used
condition is worth?
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437|436|2008-02-26 20:33:45|J B. Boren|Re: new member|condition is worth?
I have never heard of a Savage 9400...you don't mean 2400, do you?
jbb
amarillo
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J B. Boren" and a 223/12ga.
used
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439|439|2008-02-26 20:52:42|jtrascal99|savage940e shotgun|used
does anyone know the value of a savage 940e 12ga. in good condition
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440|439|2008-02-26 21:03:47|J B. Boren|Re: savage940e shotgun|Around $50 to $100 depending on your location and what you mean by "good" condition.
The best way to find out current prices is to go to www.gunbroker.com and use the 'completed auctions' search feature to see what they are actually selling for.
jbb
amarillo
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "J B. Boren" www.gunbroker.com
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442|442|2008-04-29 18:28:21|jtrascal99|group|group went dead , after i joined it , thats about right!
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443|442|2008-04-29 19:28:30|dr.jbboren@yahoo.com|Re: group|This group has never been real active. It was started
to get help with questions about Savage firearms, but
that's like a Mac help group...not much help needed.
The good news is, the group's here if someone needs
it, and it doesn't clog up the inbox with a bunch of
stuff less than interesting.
jbb
listowner
amarillo, tx
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444|442|2008-04-29 22:44:32|Paladin|Re: group|to get help with questions about Savage firearms, but
that's like a Mac help group...not much help needed.
The good news is, the group's here if someone needs
it, and it doesn't clog up the inbox with a bunch of
stuff less than interesting.
jbb
listowner
amarillo, tx
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If there's anyone here who collects older Savage guns, let him speak up now: a neighbor is willing to sell a Savage Model 101 .22 pistol which is in nearly new condition, still in the box with the usual papers. He said he bought it long, long ago, shot it fifteen or sixteen times, got bored with it, and put it back on the shelf where it's stayed all these years.
I showed him the value in the 2002 blue book. What he'd really like is a .22 pistol or revolver which is good quality, so he can go plinking with it and take a reasonable amount of pride in it. Whether this means "trade" or not, I dunno.
Paladin
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445|442|2008-04-30 21:44:29|K. Brown|Re: group|I showed him the value in the 2002 blue book. What he'd really like is a .22 pistol or revolver which is good quality, so he can go plinking with it and take a reasonable amount of pride in it. Whether this means "trade" or not, I dunno.
Paladin
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Not dead, just inactive. This is a specialty group centered around
Savage firearms and related topics. We just don't have the high volume
that some groups have.
Ken
--- In Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com, "jtrascal99"
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446|442|2008-05-01 18:01:07|Jon|Re: group|Savage firearms and related topics. We just don't have the high volume
that some groups have.
Ken
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I does fire up every now and then...
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447|447|2008-05-01 20:25:21|prchurch@digitalpath.net|99 Extractor|Anyone have problems with a warped extractor on a 99. I noticed that the
extractors were flat and parallel on the bolts of other 99's, but I have
one that is bowed, maybe from crud or something under it. I used some
penetrating oil on it and it functioned properly, but was still bowed out
a bit.
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448|447|2008-05-02 04:58:18|dr.jbboren@yahoo.com|Re: 99 Extractor|extractors were flat and parallel on the bolts of other 99's, but I have
one that is bowed, maybe from crud or something under it. I used some
penetrating oil on it and it functioned properly, but was still bowed out
a bit.
Never seen anything like that; I've seen a couple
broken extractors, but not bowed ones.
What caliber and how old is the gun?
jbb
amarillo
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449|447|2008-05-02 20:17:06|Pat & Randy Church|Re: 99 Extractor|broken extractors, but not bowed ones.
What caliber and how old is the gun?
jbb
amarillo
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Yes, it is odd. The rifle in question is cal. .300 Sav. and it was made
in 1926 according to the calculator in http://www.savage99.com/
This rifle will shoot a five shot one hole group with cast bullet made
from hardened wheel weights at 50 yards with a scope. It is a lot of
fun for plinking.
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450|450|2008-07-29 16:31:41|pilot45769|savage model74 droping block 22 single shot rifle|in 1926 according to the calculator in http://www.savage99.com/
This rifle will shoot a five shot one hole group with cast bullet made
from hardened wheel weights at 50 yards with a scope. It is a lot of
fun for plinking.
Hi all..looking for information on this gun. worth and how old. any
information appreciated..
pilot in southern ohio
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451|450|2008-07-30 05:26:11|K. Brown|Re: savage model74 droping block 22 single shot rifle|information appreciated..
pilot in southern ohio
Pilot,
I stayed out of the discussion on the other group. Do you want to
know about the original rifles, which were chambered in .22, .25, and
.32 rimfire or about the Savage Stevens Crackshot, which was chambered
in .22 and sold about 25 years ago?
Ken
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452|450|2008-07-30 12:58:43|busters|Re: savage model74 droping block 22 single shot rifle|I stayed out of the discussion on the other group. Do you want to
know about the original rifles, which were chambered in .22, .25, and
.32 rimfire or about the Savage Stevens Crackshot, which was chambered
in .22 and sold about 25 years ago?
Ken
Thanks,K I have no idea what this model 74 is.It is a
savage model 74 22 lever action.I had one of the crackshot
rifles when I was about 30 years old and then it was worth
around $200 dollars. This seems to be a newer rifle or well
taken care of.Any info appreciated. many thanks,pilot
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "K. Brown" <savage99_250@... To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: savage model74 droping block
22 single shot rifle
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:26:10 -0000
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453|450|2008-07-30 23:23:10|K. Brown|Re: savage model74 droping block 22 single shot rifle|savage model 74 22 lever action.I had one of the crackshot
rifles when I was about 30 years old and then it was worth
around $200 dollars. This seems to be a newer rifle or well
taken care of.Any info appreciated. many thanks,pilot
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "K. Brown" <savage99_250@... To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: savage model74 droping block
22 single shot rifle
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:26:10 -0000
Pilot,
Somewhere, back in the dim recesses of my brain (or what is left of
it) a very dim light begins to flicker.
This was the single shot .22 rifle that looked like a lever action?
When you worked the lever, the top front of the breech lowered, and
you could slide a .22 lr in.
After WWII, when firearms production returned to civilian markets,
there was interest in western look alike firearms. I believe this
rifle was made in the 1950's and 1960's.
Ruger came out with their Blackhawks and Single Six revolvers, and
Colt made a fixed sight .22 that would be the forerunner of the New
Frontier .22. Someone even made a single shot .22 that looked like a
single action revolver.(not the Ruger Hawkeye)
A Google search does not turn up much. You might need to find some
good books on Savage Firearms and check them. I have not seen one of
them since the early 1970's.
Ken
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454|450|2008-07-31 00:59:56|busters|Re: savage model74 droping block 22 single shot rifle|Somewhere, back in the dim recesses of my brain (or what is left of
it) a very dim light begins to flicker.
This was the single shot .22 rifle that looked like a lever action?
When you worked the lever, the top front of the breech lowered, and
you could slide a .22 lr in.
After WWII, when firearms production returned to civilian markets,
there was interest in western look alike firearms. I believe this
rifle was made in the 1950's and 1960's.
Ruger came out with their Blackhawks and Single Six revolvers, and
Colt made a fixed sight .22 that would be the forerunner of the New
Frontier .22. Someone even made a single shot .22 that looked like a
single action revolver.(not the Ruger Hawkeye)
A Google search does not turn up much. You might need to find some
good books on Savage Firearms and check them. I have not seen one of
them since the early 1970's.
Ken
Thanks,K.. That is more than I knew.Out of courisity what is
your age..I haven`t left 39yrs yet[read 74 years old].I`ll
keep you posted if I find out anything more.. Have a good
life,pilot
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "K. Brown" <savage99_250@... To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: savage model74 droping block
22 single shot rifle
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:23:06 -0000
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455|450|2008-07-31 04:43:28|K. Brown|Re: savage model74 droping block 22 single shot rifle|your age..I haven`t left 39yrs yet[read 74 years old].I`ll
keep you posted if I find out anything more.. Have a good
life,pilot
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "K. Brown" <savage99_250@... To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: savage model74 droping block
22 single shot rifle
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:23:06 -0000
Pilot, I am 56. It is not the age, but the numbers of firearms I have
looked at, traded for, and read about which tires the brain.
Thinking about the 74 reminds me of another firearm which was
different. Sometime during or before the 60's Ithica made a single
shot, lever action shotgun.
I bought one in 20 guage in 1966. I wanted a truck gun. This one did
the job. The only problem was that it was lightweight and loud.
Somewhere along the way, someone else wanted it more than I did, and I
sold it.
Ken
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456|450|2008-07-31 12:49:18|busters|Re: savage model74 droping block 22 single shot rifle|looked at, traded for, and read about which tires the brain.
Thinking about the 74 reminds me of another firearm which was
different. Sometime during or before the 60's Ithica made a single
shot, lever action shotgun.
I bought one in 20 guage in 1966. I wanted a truck gun. This one did
the job. The only problem was that it was lightweight and loud.
Somewhere along the way, someone else wanted it more than I did, and I
sold it.
Ken
Right,K It`s not the age,my memory done left me along with
a little laziness came on me. I`ll get to the gun store and
get maybe a gun digest for info..I quit trading in guns in
1968 and things sure got different since then..All well,life
is fun..Have a good day,pilot
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "K. Brown" <savage99_250@... To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: savage model74 droping block
22 single shot rifle
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:43:26 -0000
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457|457|2008-08-06 22:12:38|pilot45769|Model 74 savage rolling block|a little laziness came on me. I`ll get to the gun store and
get maybe a gun digest for info..I quit trading in guns in
1968 and things sure got different since then..All well,life
is fun..Have a good day,pilot
----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "K. Brown" <savage99_250@... To: Savage-firearms@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Savage-firearms] Re: savage model74 droping block
22 single shot rifle
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:43:26 -0000
Hi all.. Finally found out what it is..K.Brown,I found it in a old gun
book.
It was made around 50 or 60`s. In good condition it is worth $85.00.
Thanks everyone for the help..Pilot..
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458|458|2008-12-23 22:20:44|loribachelder|Looking for info and price est|book.
It was made around 50 or 60`s. In good condition it is worth $85.00.
Thanks everyone for the help..Pilot..
Hi,
I have a Savage 99, in 303 sav cal, it is engraved- "D" engraving and
the stocks look like a higher grade. Serial No. 73XX. I'm looking for
information and approx value. Any help would be great.
Thanks, LB
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459|458|2008-12-23 22:41:31|J B Boren|Re: Looking for info and price est|I have a Savage 99, in 303 sav cal, it is engraved- "D" engraving and
the stocks look like a higher grade. Serial No. 73XX. I'm looking for
information and approx value. Any help would be great.
Thanks, LB
Hard to say much without pictures or handling the gun. That's a very
early S/N. Even if you left a digit off, it's a pre-1908 gun. If
not, it could either be a Model 95 or a very early Model 99 made in
1899.
If in good to excellent condition, this one deserves a professional
appraisal. There are too many fakes out there to just look it up in a
book and give it a value. Minimum would be in the $1500 range if its
all original. Max, depending on a bunch of stuff I don't know, could
range from $2500 to $60,000.
I'd also request a letter on this one. I've lost the contact info for
the Savage historian, but I bet somebody on here has it.
Post a few photos to the group web page if you can.
jbb
amarillo
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460|460|2009-03-05 18:53:14|J B Boren|never thought I'd see the day|early S/N. Even if you left a digit off, it's a pre-1908 gun. If
not, it could either be a Model 95 or a very early Model 99 made in
1899.
If in good to excellent condition, this one deserves a professional
appraisal. There are too many fakes out there to just look it up in a
book and give it a value. Minimum would be in the $1500 range if its
all original. Max, depending on a bunch of stuff I don't know, could
range from $2500 to $60,000.
I'd also request a letter on this one. I've lost the contact info for
the Savage historian, but I bet somebody on here has it.
Post a few photos to the group web page if you can.
jbb
amarillo
I never thought I'd see the day when the clunky 99Es sold for more
than $500, but it's here.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=123575226
jbb
amarillo, tx
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461|460|2009-03-06 18:07:57|E. J. Buteau|Re: never thought I'd see the day|than $500, but it's here.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=123575226
jbb
amarillo, tx
-Whoa there JB. This JB was hot on the trail for an 99EG in .300 Savage last Sunday at an auction. Now that thing was pretty. It still had case hardening when you popped the lever. This would have been my hit of the day/week/month! I thought they'd stop around $500. This thing went up and my last bid was $800, and didn't get the gun. And, the guy must've been a dealer because he paid quick and walked out early with the gun. I had to lick my wounds, and be happy with an 1895 Winchester in 7.62x54R for $450!
John
Along with some other very nice little trivials, but no 99. I am still in more fervent search.
E. J. Buteau
Illinois
Daytime = 800-845-5588
Non omnis moriar!
Be a donar. You will live on!
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462|460|2009-03-07 00:37:19|J B Boren|Re: never thought I'd see the day| |
469|467|2009-05-08 17:42:48|CHARLES K. EVANS|Re: a steal on a barrel band carbine|
Frank in Shavano Park, TX
From: J B Boren 
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473|473|2009-06-07 05:05:25|Daniel Moore|Hi! I like Savages|John
Along with some other very nice little trivials, but no 99. I am still in more fervent search.
E. J. Buteau
Illinois
Daytime = 800-845-5588
Non omnis moriar!
Be a donar. You will live on!
-- In Savage99@yahoogroups.com, J B Boren
Big difference between the 99E and the 99EG. Stick to any model other
than the E if you want your investment back. $800 is a lot for an
EG...I see them sell on GB for around $500 fairly often. The E models
are still $300 guns in my opinion.
jbb
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463|460|2009-03-07 05:52:22|Ken Brown|Re: never thought I'd see the day|than the E if you want your investment back. $800 is a lot for an
EG...I see them sell on GB for around $500 fairly often. The E models
are still $300 guns in my opinion.
jbb
My Cabela's had two of the .300's three weeks ago. Prices were $699 and $799. Both these were the older Savages, with the long Schnabel forend. They were not the newer series with the shorter forend.
I don't believe I paid over $200 for any of mine. My .300 takedown was $125. Long, long time ago.
Ken
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464|464|2009-03-30 20:01:48|J B Boren|sales price updates|I don't believe I paid over $200 for any of mine. My .300 takedown was $125. Long, long time ago.
Ken
I've been trying to keep up with auction prices for Savage 99s; I'm
puttin sales prices in the database with the guns I've been able to
track.
Model 99s sure have beat real estate in terms of investment.
jbb
listowner
amarillo, tx
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465|464|2009-03-31 17:53:16|E. J. Buteau|Re: sales price updates|puttin sales prices in the database with the guns I've been able to
track.
Model 99s sure have beat real estate in terms of investment.
jbb
listowner
amarillo, tx
At a recent auction, JB, I let a almost perfect 99EG go at the $850 mark. It broke my heart, but the guy that beat me on it, went right over and picked it up and left, so he must've been an 01 FFL. Late last year at a CADA gun show, my buddy put his hand right out in front of mine by an inch, and grabbed a 99EG for $515 in about the same shape as the auction. Why, oh why did I wait so long?
John
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466|464|2009-03-31 22:02:02|J B Boren|Re: sales price updates|John
Dad and I were fortunate to start our 99 collection earlier enough
that we got some great deals. But there are a few holes that likely
won't get filled at the prices folks are willing/able to pay.
jbb
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467|467|2009-05-08 17:22:28|J B Boren|a steal on a barrel band carbine|that we got some great deals. But there are a few holes that likely
won't get filled at the prices folks are willing/able to pay.
jbb
Picked up a barrel band carbine in 250-3000 last week for $360. The
only two flaws were two extra holes in the top of the receiver (I hate
those) and a non-original buttstock. Since I haven't seen a BB
carbine (even a beater) for less than about $700 in over a year, I
think this was a deal. Original blue, about 60%; excellent bore.
As a collector, it's a no-go, but I've wanted a shooter BB carbine for
several years. Dad picked up a mint 30-30 barrel band about six years
ago, and it's too nice to shoot. It handles like a dream, and I want
one to shoot. This 250 is the answer to that problem.
I'll be searching for an original-type stock and some good handloads
(this is the old 1:14 twist barrel) and I'll be good to go.
jbb
amarillo
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468|263|2009-05-08 17:23:44|rookrifle|New Member|only two flaws were two extra holes in the top of the receiver (I hate
those) and a non-original buttstock. Since I haven't seen a BB
carbine (even a beater) for less than about $700 in over a year, I
think this was a deal. Original blue, about 60%; excellent bore.
As a collector, it's a no-go, but I've wanted a shooter BB carbine for
several years. Dad picked up a mint 30-30 barrel band about six years
ago, and it's too nice to shoot. It handles like a dream, and I want
one to shoot. This 250 is the answer to that problem.
I'll be searching for an original-type stock and some good handloads
(this is the old 1:14 twist barrel) and I'll be good to go.
jbb
amarillo
Just joined the group. I can't claim to be a 99 collector because I have only one Mod. 99. It is a 250/3000 Takedown in very good to excellent condition which came into being a year before I did--1928. I presently have one other Savage, a Mod. 12 (?) .308 varmint bought it just before the trigger change. Just my usual luck.
Glad to be aboard. JBB runs a good group.
Frank in Shavano Park, TX ONE DECENT 'TRICK' TO GET RID OF NASTY EXTRA HOLES.....
SINCE THIS WILL BE A SHOOTER AND NOT A COLLECTABLE......
TAKE A LEAD SHOT, OR A SMALL PIECE OF LEAD, A SMIDGE LARGER THAN THE HOLE,
SET IT IN THE HOLE, AND GIVE IT A DECENT TAP(OR COUPLE OF TAPS) WITH A BRASS
HAMMER(COVER THE HAMMER FACE WITH MASKING TAPE SO AS TO NOT LEAVE ANY BRASS
MARKINGS...) IT WILL MELD FLUSH WITH THE HOLE, AND THEN JUST TOUCH THE LEAD
WITH A Q-TIP DIPPED IN YOUR FAVORITE COLD BLUE....
CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF, COLD BLUE WILL 'TAKE' TO THE LEAD.....IT WILL BE
AN 'ALMOST' INVISIBLE 'REPAIR' AND LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN EVEN 'FILLER'
SCREWS.....
YOU MIGHT EVEN FORGET THE HOLES WERE THERE AFTER A FEW YEARS!!!!
NICE SCORE ON THE 99 TOO,
CARLOSIAN, IN FACT, THESE DAYS...........
--CARLOS
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470|263|2009-05-08 17:45:44|J B Boren|Re: New Member|SINCE THIS WILL BE A SHOOTER AND NOT A COLLECTABLE......
TAKE A LEAD SHOT, OR A SMALL PIECE OF LEAD, A SMIDGE LARGER THAN THE HOLE,
SET IT IN THE HOLE, AND GIVE IT A DECENT TAP(OR COUPLE OF TAPS) WITH A BRASS
HAMMER(COVER THE HAMMER FACE WITH MASKING TAPE SO AS TO NOT LEAVE ANY BRASS
MARKINGS...) IT WILL MELD FLUSH WITH THE HOLE, AND THEN JUST TOUCH THE LEAD
WITH A Q-TIP DIPPED IN YOUR FAVORITE COLD BLUE....
CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF, COLD BLUE WILL 'TAKE' TO THE LEAD.....IT WILL BE
AN 'ALMOST' INVISIBLE 'REPAIR' AND LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN EVEN 'FILLER'
SCREWS.....
YOU MIGHT EVEN FORGET THE HOLES WERE THERE AFTER A FEW YEARS!!!!
NICE SCORE ON THE 99 TOO,
CARLOSIAN, IN FACT, THESE DAYS...........
--CARLOS
Frank, how well does that takedown group?
I've heard stories of both poor grouping and excellent grouping,
depending on how loose the barrel threads are, usually.
Have you priced that TD recently? They've gone up, especially in that caliber.
jbb
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471|467|2009-05-08 17:47:39|J B Boren|Re: a steal on a barrel band carbine|I've heard stories of both poor grouping and excellent grouping,
depending on how loose the barrel threads are, usually.
Have you priced that TD recently? They've gone up, especially in that caliber.
jbb
Hadn't thought of using lead. I'll give it a try. I certainly don't
plan to scope a rifle like this one...kinda defeats the purpose of a
light, quick-to-point carbine. I might end up with a peep sight on it
later on, but for now, the original sights will work.
jbb
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472|263|2009-05-08 19:22:00|rookrifle|Re: New Member|plan to scope a rifle like this one...kinda defeats the purpose of a
light, quick-to-point carbine. I might end up with a peep sight on it
later on, but for now, the original sights will work.
jbb
JB, I haven't shot it seriously. What little I've done hasn't been disappointing. I just always seem to have something else (read honey do) taking up my shooting time.
Years ago I did some 'smithing for the Hangar Deck Officer of an aircraft carrier I was deployed aboard and he paid me off with a Mod 99 in 22 Hipower. It was also a take down. I couldn't find brass, bullets, ammo, dies, nothing for it in the North Carolina area where I was stationed so I sent it off to Ackley and had it bored out and rechambered to 25 Ackley Improved. By the time I got it back I had been overseas and was stationed in California and stuff was more available for the 25 Imp. However, it wouldn't group better than three to four inches at 100 yards and trying to use the 117 gr RN bullets I wanted to use didn't work. They had to be seated so deeply that they would push down into the case with finger pressure. Gun went into the corner of the closet and stayed there during a three year tour in Hawaii. Upon return I was again stationed in North Carolina. However, the little town now had a gunsmith. Mel's Lock and Gun Shop. Mel suggested that a 99 take down wouldn't shoot if the bbl didn't lock up tight enough. I took my little 2 oz ball peen hammer and tapped "lightly" around the breech end of the bbl. in order to upset the metal enough to make a tighter fit. I tapped a bit too much and couldn't get the bbl to pull up to the witness mark again. Mel suggested a bit of valve grinding compound on the face of the action and work the bbl against this until it would come within a few degrees of the desired position and then bump the bbl against the action face until it was in position. I didn't want to make the too much mistake again so it took me the better part of a morning. At the time I lived in a small, four house, community with 7000 acres of piney woods next door. First thing I did after moving in was to set up a range in the power line easement running through the woods. The 99, using H 380 and 87 grain spitzer bullets would hold 1½ to 2 inches consistently. Since then I have heard of others using stainless steel shim stock to make a washer to tighten a take down bbl. I haven't ever tried this. I later fitted a 7x30/30 Waters bbl to the 99 action and it outshot the 25 bbl by about half an inch. Sold the gun to a friend a few years ago. Sob!
No, I haven't been to a gun show or anywhere I could get a current price.
'Nuff fer now.
From: J B Boren
Frank, how well does that takedown group?
I've heard stories of both poor grouping and excellent grouping,
depending on how loose the barrel threads are, usually.
Have you priced that TD recently? They've gone up, especially in that caliber.
jbb
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I got my FFL C& R last August. I recently bought a 1927 Savage 99 in .30-30. It is a takedown model and it is a beaut!
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474|473|2009-06-07 22:50:39|J B Boren|Re: Hi! I like Savages|Sounds like a nice one.
I originally got my C&R just for Sav 99s as well. I've bought a few
other things, mostly Winchesters, but still use it on 99s more than
anything else.
jbb
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475|473|2009-06-08 05:52:18|Ken Brown|Re: Hi! I like Savages|I originally got my C&R just for Sav 99s as well. I've bought a few
other things, mostly Winchesters, but still use it on 99s more than
anything else.
jbb
Sounds like a good one. The thing I like best about my Savage99 in 30-30 is that I can load pointed nose bullets for it. Mostly 150 grain, but I have loaded some 165 grain which did well on targets. I do go to great lengths to keep them separate from the round nose bullets for the Winchesters and Marlin.
I remember a takedown model at a gun show years ago. It was in a nice case and had a .410 barrel along with the rifle barrel. The rifle barrel was either a .303 Savage or a 30-30.
Ken
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476|476|2009-06-09 15:24:26|Doug Spittler|Savage 99 reloading|I remember a takedown model at a gun show years ago. It was in a nice case and had a .410 barrel along with the rifle barrel. The rifle barrel was either a .303 Savage or a 30-30.
Ken
I've found my .300 Savage stretches cases rather badly. I'm told this
is a characteristic of the lock-up, rather than head space. Anyone
have any input on that?
D.
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477|476|2009-06-09 15:40:38|J B Boren|Re: Savage 99 reloading|is a characteristic of the lock-up, rather than head space. Anyone
have any input on that?
D.
In my opinion, its more of a characteristic of a gun that's been fired
with too hot loads. Between my dad and I, we have about a dozen 300
Savages, all but one of them 99s. I've never noticed any unusual case
stretching in any of the guns. These weren't all bought new, so
apparently there was some luck in not getting one with a stretched
receiver. You are right, lockup on the 99 isn't terribly strong, but
it is more than adequate if not overloaded.
I do not load the cartridge to the max level in my guns; that might
also be a factor if you are handloading (and I suspect you are, since
you are on my handloading list).
The third issue is neck stretching...because of the short neck and
relatively sharp shoulder, the case neck can stretch on resizing if
the expander plug isn't lubed and pulls through hard. You might
measure necks and see if the stretch is in the neck area or the case
body itself. And check how many firings your brass has on it.
And of course, have a 'smith check the headspace on your rifle to rule
that out as an issue.
jbb
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478|476|2009-06-09 15:46:01|Eric Maloney|Re: Savage 99 reloading|with too hot loads. Between my dad and I, we have about a dozen 300
Savages, all but one of them 99s. I've never noticed any unusual case
stretching in any of the guns. These weren't all bought new, so
apparently there was some luck in not getting one with a stretched
receiver. You are right, lockup on the 99 isn't terribly strong, but
it is more than adequate if not overloaded.
I do not load the cartridge to the max level in my guns; that might
also be a factor if you are handloading (and I suspect you are, since
you are on my handloading list).
The third issue is neck stretching...because of the short neck and
relatively sharp shoulder, the case neck can stretch on resizing if
the expander plug isn't lubed and pulls through hard. You might
measure necks and see if the stretch is in the neck area or the case
body itself. And check how many firings your brass has on it.
And of course, have a 'smith check the headspace on your rifle to rule
that out as an issue.
jbb
| Ackley the chamber...you will see about 300 fps increase and no case stretch. |
Improving the chamber is one option, and will reduce stretch if the
stretch was caused by something other than headspace. A 'smith should
check and fix that if he improves the chamber.
I also consider it a bit of heresy...I personally hate Ackley
chambers, but it is an option. Overloading an 300 Sav AI will stretch
a receiver just as much as overloading a 300 Sav, and the temptation
is greater.
jbb
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480|473|2009-06-09 17:26:20|Daniel Moore|Re: Hi! I like Savages|stretch was caused by something other than headspace. A 'smith should
check and fix that if he improves the chamber.
I also consider it a bit of heresy...I personally hate Ackley
chambers, but it is an option. Overloading an 300 Sav AI will stretch
a receiver just as much as overloading a 300 Sav, and the temptation
is greater.
jbb
I ran across one of those switch barrels years ago...in .303 Savage and passed on it.
I have bought a bolt action Stevens as my first C&R purchase. It is a wonderful shooter. I can't scope it but I put a Williams receiver sight on it and get 1 inch groups at 75 yards.
This little Savage I picked up - the 99 - has a 20 inch barrel. I believe when the .30-30 first came out it was in 165 grain bullets and I noted that the LeveRevolution bullets are in 165 - which may be optimal for this cartridge. I haven't shot this one yet. I am waiting to order a tang sight and get real historical on this.
Pointy bullets makes sense when you are in Wyoming or shooting from a blind across a soybean field. But the power, the trajectory, etc, of the .30-30, I limit myself to under 150 yards and find that the normal bullets are fine. My favorite is the 170 grain Nosler Partition by Federal.
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481|476|2009-06-10 10:15:52|Doug Spittler|Re: Savage 99 reloading|I have bought a bolt action Stevens as my first C&R purchase. It is a wonderful shooter. I can't scope it but I put a Williams receiver sight on it and get 1 inch groups at 75 yards.
This little Savage I picked up - the 99 - has a 20 inch barrel. I believe when the .30-30 first came out it was in 165 grain bullets and I noted that the LeveRevolution bullets are in 165 - which may be optimal for this cartridge. I haven't shot this one yet. I am waiting to order a tang sight and get real historical on this.
Pointy bullets makes sense when you are in Wyoming or shooting from a blind across a soybean field. But the power, the trajectory, etc, of the .30-30, I limit myself to under 150 yards and find that the normal bullets are fine. My favorite is the 170 grain Nosler Partition by Federal.
Yeah, I _do_ reload for the .300 Sav., but not to max specs. By the
time I've done 3 reloads on a piece of brass, there's a fairly
obvious stretch mark about 3/8" up the case from the head. I usually
discard the brass at that point. I've never had a case separation;
just the stretch ring. Perhaps I've got one of those with headspace
problems! And, JB, you could have called it; I bought the gun "used"
so have no knowledge of it's history...
D.
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482|482|2009-07-24 18:26:34|Daniel Moore|Won another Auction - Savage 99 in .300 Savage|time I've done 3 reloads on a piece of brass, there's a fairly
obvious stretch mark about 3/8" up the case from the head. I usually
discard the brass at that point. I've never had a case separation;
just the stretch ring. Perhaps I've got one of those with headspace
problems! And, JB, you could have called it; I bought the gun "used"
so have no knowledge of it's history...
D.
Found one for $300 at Gunbroker.com and won! Awaiting its arrival. It was made in 1941 and has the 24" barrel. Has a couple of scratches on the barrel but other than that... real good shape.
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483|482|2009-07-24 18:57:04|J B Boren|Re: Won another Auction - Savage 99 in .300 Savage|Heck of a find.
I've been ignoring GB lately...too many high-priced junkers. I guess
there are a few gems in the mix.
jbb
amarillo
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484|482|2009-07-26 22:22:01|E. J. Buteau|Re: Won another Auction - Savage 99 in .300 Savage|I've been ignoring GB lately...too many high-priced junkers. I guess
there are a few gems in the mix.
jbb
amarillo
Great find, I'm still searching for one. Had a buddy at a CADA show go back and forth for a just about perfect old 99EG model in .300 and I was hoping he'd drop it. Finally he paid the price of $530. I was hoping he wouldn't, so's I could grab it. Closest one in that shape at the show was near $800. Still have my eyes opened.
John
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485|482|2009-07-28 02:21:22|Daniel Moore|Re: Won another Auction - Savage 99 in .300 Savage|John
It came in today. It is in better shape than the Gunbroker.com description. Very good shape. I like how it handles. With the 24" barrel and the fuller front stock...it is definitely a "rifle" when compared with my .30-30 takedown model with the 20" barrel - a light carbine.
Neither is drilled or tapped for scopes. I have a tang sight on order for the carbine. I am considering a tang sight for this new rifle.
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486|482|2009-07-29 16:09:43|J B Boren|Re: Won another Auction - Savage 99 in .300 Savage|Neither is drilled or tapped for scopes. I have a tang sight on order for the carbine. I am considering a tang sight for this new rifle.
Do NOT drill that undrilled 99. You'll knock several hundred dollars
off the value. Drilled ones are a dime-a-dozen...if you want a scoped
99, buy one that is factory drilled or already ruined by someone
else...but keep that pristine one pristine.
I'll pay you the price you paid for it anytime you want to sell it! :-)
jbb
amarillo
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487|482|2009-07-29 17:22:24|Daniel Moore|Re: Won another Auction - Savage 99 in .300 Savage|off the value. Drilled ones are a dime-a-dozen...if you want a scoped
99, buy one that is factory drilled or already ruined by someone
else...but keep that pristine one pristine.
I'll pay you the price you paid for it anytime you want to sell it! :-)
jbb
amarillo
It has the holes on the tang already for the tang sight - both of them are that way. No...I won't ruin a good rifle. Both came with the screws missing from the tang for these type of sights. I suspect they may have been removed and sold separately. I priced some of these older tang sights and ... ouch! ... they are high.
Dan
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488|488|2009-09-23 04:51:43|savage99_250|Cabela's|Dan
Fall brought us a bit of much needed rain today, and I took some time to go to Cabela's. There ammo prices are still overinflated, but I did see three nice 99's.
A very nice condition 99EG in .300 Savage was priced at $699. A nice condition rifle (not carbine) in 30-30 was priced at $899. Neither of these had been drilled and tapped for scope mount. Another .300 which was a later model and was drilled and tapped was marked at $699.
Cabela's is a nice place to spend an afternoon with the grandsons, but unless something is on a really good sale, or in the bargain barn, it stays in the store.
Ken
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489|488|2009-09-23 18:23:59|J B Boren|Re: Cabela's|A very nice condition 99EG in .300 Savage was priced at $699. A nice condition rifle (not carbine) in 30-30 was priced at $899. Neither of these had been drilled and tapped for scope mount. Another .300 which was a later model and was drilled and tapped was marked at $699.
Cabela's is a nice place to spend an afternoon with the grandsons, but unless something is on a really good sale, or in the bargain barn, it stays in the store.
Ken
Those prices are a bit above recent selling prices on GB/AA, which is to be expected, since the retailer builds the profit into the sale. The 30-30 is a pretty good price, especially if it is the B or C model (octagon or half-octagon barrel). The later 300 is the poorest bargain in the list...I still see drilled 300 EGs and Fs selling for less than $400 online, on occasion.
Good huntin'.
jbb
amarillo
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490|488|2009-09-23 21:18:28|E. B|Re: Cabela's|Good huntin'.
jbb
amarillo
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Ken, hope you're not writing this from Georgia! I've my eye on an 1899 in .22HP for $799, but just can't bring myself to pay that much, altho it's a beauty.
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I just bought a .300Sav 99E for $500 & altho it's in 90something it's been drilled right thru the Savage 99, and came with a very old cheap scope that bumps on the rear sight. Removed the blocks now I'm trying to find screws to fill the holes.
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Yes, they're pricey most of the time.
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John
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491|488|2009-09-24 01:30:53|J B Boren|Re: Cabela's|Ken, hope you're not writing this from Georgia! I've my eye on an 1899 in .22HP for $799, but just can't bring myself to pay that much, altho it's a beauty.
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I just bought a .300Sav 99E for $500 & altho it's in 90something it's been drilled right thru the Savage 99, and came with a very old cheap scope that bumps on the rear sight. Removed the blocks now I'm trying to find screws to fill the holes.
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Yes, they're pricey most of the time.
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John
$799 is a pretty fair price for a 22 HP if it is undrilled and in 80% or better condition.
You sure that was a 99E? I didn't think any of the E models had the Savage stamp on the top of the receiver ring...they were all stamped on the top left side, and factory drilled for scope mounts. Do you mean EG?
jbb
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492|488|2009-09-24 05:55:37|savage99_250|Re: Cabela's|You sure that was a 99E? I didn't think any of the E models had the Savage stamp on the top of the receiver ring...they were all stamped on the top left side, and factory drilled for scope mounts. Do you mean EG?
jbb
Texas, not Georgia.
Ken
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493|488|2009-09-25 00:57:26|E. B|Re: Cabela's|Ken
$799 is a pretty fair price for a 22 HP if it is undrilled and in 80% or
better condition.
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Thanks JB, soon as I save a buck or two, I'm goin back. I had bought a cardboard box of boxes of metric ammo as part of an auction, and a guy was in my vault and said I had some interesting ammo, and what's 5.65 something also called .22HP. I have 3 full boxes of .22HP! I might just drop a couple of hundred on it, and come back next month or so.
You sure that was a 99E? I didn't think any of the E models had the Savage
stamp on the top of the receiver ring...they were all stamped on the top
left side, and factory drilled for scope mounts. Do you mean EG?
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JB, I have it on my cleaning/smithin table. I'm really sure it said E, and I know what I've been cleaning off and on for the last week. It's right on top. So, I'll check and let you know when I get home. I know I need a digital camera! Thanks for helping me. This is my first 99, and I like it already.
jbb
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John
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494|488|2009-09-25 21:38:41|J B Boren|Re: Cabela's|better condition.
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Thanks JB, soon as I save a buck or two, I'm goin back. I had bought a cardboard box of boxes of metric ammo as part of an auction, and a guy was in my vault and said I had some interesting ammo, and what's 5.65 something also called .22HP. I have 3 full boxes of .22HP! I might just drop a couple of hundred on it, and come back next month or so.
You sure that was a 99E? I didn't think any of the E models had the Savage
stamp on the top of the receiver ring...they were all stamped on the top
left side, and factory drilled for scope mounts. Do you mean EG?
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JB, I have it on my cleaning/smithin table. I'm really sure it said E, and I know what I've been cleaning off and on for the last week. It's right on top. So, I'll check and let you know when I get home. I know I need a digital camera! Thanks for helping me. This is my first 99, and I like it already.
jbb
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John
Correct- the European designation for 22HP ammo is 5.6 x 52R. Norma is about the only people still making it, and that stuff runs about $60 a box these days (last time I checked). I handload all my 22HP ammo now...keep a couple boxes of factory stuff as investments/keepsakes.
On the 99E, send me the serial number, and if it has one, the lever boss code. The LBC is a small number and letter, stamped in a small oval, on the front of the lever boss. It will help me get a date on the rifle, and I can compare that to my book on when they moved the Savage stamp over to the left side of the receiver ring.
thx,
jbb
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495|488|2009-09-26 04:43:19|Paladin|.22 Savage High Power info....|On the 99E, send me the serial number, and if it has one, the lever boss code. The LBC is a small number and letter, stamped in a small oval, on the front of the lever boss. It will help me get a date on the rifle, and I can compare that to my book on when they moved the Savage stamp over to the left side of the receiver ring.
thx,
jbb
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Winchester occasionally makes a run of new brass, caliber .25-35 WCF. These cases, properly lubed, form to .22 Savage High Power in one easy pass --well, two, counting the pass through the full-length sizing die after the form-die does its stuff. Another hint: it's considered common knowledge that the "Imp" has a .228" groove diameter. Maybe some do, but not all of them: my barrel slugs out to .224" and prefers this diameter --and, this is an older barrel, too. Hope this helps, Paladin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
All four of my 22 HPs will shoot just fine with regular 0.224" bullets. One of them won't group at all with the .227 or .228 bullets from Hornady and Speer. It loves the 55-gn FMJBT Hornady bullets that run .224. So test yours; you'll save a bunch of money and you won't have to switch your car insurance to the anti-gun Geico.
I've not had to make any 22HP brass so far, as I shoot these things only about once a year. The life of 22 HP brass is very short, however, as they stretch pretty significantly, even when sized as little as possible.
I haven't seen any Win 25-35 available in some time now...wonder if they'll stop those runs...
jbb
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497|497|2009-10-05 17:52:48|CHARLES K. EVANS|INTERESTING .308 SPOTTED...|I've not had to make any 22HP brass so far, as I shoot these things only about once a year. The life of 22 HP brass is very short, however, as they stretch pretty significantly, even when sized as little as possible.
I haven't seen any Win 25-35 available in some time now...wonder if they'll stop those runs...
jbb
HIT A LITTLE LOCAL SHOW SATURDAY, AND A POST BY JBB OVER ON THE HANDLOADING
LIST JOGGED MY MEMORY....
SPOTTED A NICE, LEVER SAFETY, .308 MDL 99 AT THE SHOW, WAS D&T'D....HAD NO
SCOPE BUT THE MOUNT WAS STILL PRESENT....BEST PART WAS THE PRICE, STICKERED
AT $365....LOOKED OVERALL TO BE ABOUT 80-85%.........
SADLY, FINANCIALLY, IF IT COST A NICKEL TO DEFECATE, I'D HAVE TO THROW UP,
SO I JUST MADE A MENTAL NOTE OF IT AND MOVED ON....................
--CARLOS
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498|497|2009-10-05 18:14:07|J B Boren|Re: INTERESTING .308 SPOTTED...|LIST JOGGED MY MEMORY....
SPOTTED A NICE, LEVER SAFETY, .308 MDL 99 AT THE SHOW, WAS D&T'D....HAD NO
SCOPE BUT THE MOUNT WAS STILL PRESENT....BEST PART WAS THE PRICE, STICKERED
AT $365....LOOKED OVERALL TO BE ABOUT 80-85%.........
SADLY, FINANCIALLY, IF IT COST A NICKEL TO DEFECATE, I'D HAVE TO THROW UP,
SO I JUST MADE A MENTAL NOTE OF IT AND MOVED ON....................
--CARLOS
You should have known. Every time I go to a gun show without any
cash, I see the bargain of the century. If I carry in a thousand
bucks, I see jewelry, junk and a few badly mauled c&r guns.
Was this an EG model (i.e., schnabel forend)? If so, that was a very
good buy, even drilled.
My 308 (model CD) 99 will shoot groups just about as well as my Savage
110 tactical. And it's a whole lot easier to carry around.
I hear Kalifornia is going to start taxing defecation...so if you go
there let me know and I'll send you a nickel. jbb
amarillo
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499|488|2009-11-19 01:19:34|E. B|Re: Cabela's|cash, I see the bargain of the century. If I carry in a thousand
bucks, I see jewelry, junk and a few badly mauled c&r guns.
Was this an EG model (i.e., schnabel forend)? If so, that was a very
good buy, even drilled.
My 308 (model CD) 99 will shoot groups just about as well as my Savage
110 tactical. And it's a whole lot easier to carry around.
I hear Kalifornia is going to start taxing defecation...so if you go
there let me know and I'll send you a nickel.
amarillo
Sorry, JB, sometimes I just get busy, and lose myself. Serial number for this Model 99 E is 407385, and I couldn't make out the code number on the front of the lever.
Perhaps this can solve the problem. And, for the cheap scope that came with it, it was a shame that someone drilled right into the Savage 99 on the receiver.
John, but you can call me EB
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500|488|2009-11-19 16:13:49|J B Boren|Re: Cabela's|Perhaps this can solve the problem. And, for the cheap scope that came with it, it was a shame that someone drilled right into the Savage 99 on the receiver.
John, but you can call me EB
That's a 1941-made gun.
jbb
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501|488|2009-11-19 22:51:11|E. B|Re: Cabela's|jbb
JBB
That makes it older than me, but it looks much better except for the 4 holes, whoops I'll stop there. Just got 3 boxes of .300Sav and am reading to start shootin a box with those steel sights.
John
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502|488|2009-11-21 04:33:14|savage99_250|Re: Cabela's|That makes it older than me, but it looks much better except for the 4 holes, whoops I'll stop there. Just got 3 boxes of .300Sav and am reading to start shootin a box with those steel sights.
John
If you like the way it shoots with factory ammo, you will love the way it will shoot with handloads.
Ken
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503|503|2010-04-14 04:07:45|J B Boren|I have 4 99s on GB|Ken
I have four of dad's 99s for sale on GB right now-
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=164427712
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=164433557
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=164437600
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=164441036
The 22 HP and the 243 are pretty good deals, in my opinion. The
22-250 is rare, but won't appeal to a purist as the wood is not
original. It's very nice wood, but not factory wood. The 308 is an E
model, which I don't find much appeal in, but some folks might. If
you want a 99 for a shooter, it starts under $400.
jbb
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504|504|2010-08-22 23:38:49|David Daniels|Savage 99|http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=164427712
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=164433557
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=164437600
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=164441036
The 22 HP and the 243 are pretty good deals, in my opinion. The
22-250 is rare, but won't appeal to a purist as the wood is not
original. It's very nice wood, but not factory wood. The 308 is an E
model, which I don't find much appeal in, but some folks might. If
you want a 99 for a shooter, it starts under $400.
jbb
JBB, one thing that confuses me is that various magazine articles
reference the M99 as M99C/D/E which I believe are model variants.
OTOH, we have mentioned that there is a *date code* on the lever boss
that is also has alpha code to indicate year of manufacture. BTW,
mine is an oval with 23B in it. Is the 23 the inspector?
So far, I am unable to find info on the model variants. Can you point
me in a direction? Also, which is the best M99 book?
Appreciate your assistance.
Dave Daniels
aka dd in MA
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505|476|2010-08-23 23:36:48|r40xb|Re: Savage 99 reloading|reference the M99 as M99C/D/E which I believe are model variants.
OTOH, we have mentioned that there is a *date code* on the lever boss
that is also has alpha code to indicate year of manufacture. BTW,
mine is an oval with 23B in it. Is the 23 the inspector?
So far, I am unable to find info on the model variants. Can you point
me in a direction? Also, which is the best M99 book?
Appreciate your assistance.
Dave Daniels
aka dd in MA
Have you tried neck sizing the case after the first firing? I do that with a .250 Sav and a .22 Hi Power with good results.
R.
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506|476|2010-08-23 23:47:17|J B Boren|Re: Savage 99 reloading|R.
Neck sizing works as long as the chamber is smooth and not undersized. I had a 243 99D that required small base dies just to get the reloads to chamber.
The model 99 is susceptible to receiver stretch if fired with too hot a load. Your gun may have had a very hot load fired in it. I'd check the headspace (gunsmith will have the gauges if you don't) straightaway. If it is long, you may want to have it repaired, or trade it.
jbb
amarillo
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507|504|2010-08-24 05:51:09|Ken|Re: Savage 99|The model 99 is susceptible to receiver stretch if fired with too hot a load. Your gun may have had a very hot load fired in it. I'd check the headspace (gunsmith will have the gauges if you don't) straightaway. If it is long, you may want to have it repaired, or trade it.
jbb
amarillo
Sometimes the model variants are identified by differences in the cosmetic look of the rifles.
Earlier model 99's had a long, schnabel foreend. Also had a brass rotary and counter, while later models may have had a different kind of metal for the rotary, and had no counter. On the Alaskan models the barrel and foreend could be removed. This made it easier to carry the rifle in or strapped to a backpack or a pack frame. Alaskan models did have the long, schnabel foreend.
Some variants had a shorter, rounded foreend, and at least one had a shorter, very wide foreend.
One model, I believe it was the "A" Model had a straight stock, with no pistol grip. The safety was on top of the tang, instead of being a part of the lever. The "C" Model was the one which had the removable magazine.
All the above is from my memory. I am not able to take one and examine it right now. Over the years, there have been many proof type marks put on the metal parts.
Ken
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508|508|2010-08-24 15:13:18|Billy|Interested in 99|Earlier model 99's had a long, schnabel foreend. Also had a brass rotary and counter, while later models may have had a different kind of metal for the rotary, and had no counter. On the Alaskan models the barrel and foreend could be removed. This made it easier to carry the rifle in or strapped to a backpack or a pack frame. Alaskan models did have the long, schnabel foreend.
Some variants had a shorter, rounded foreend, and at least one had a shorter, very wide foreend.
One model, I believe it was the "A" Model had a straight stock, with no pistol grip. The safety was on top of the tang, instead of being a part of the lever. The "C" Model was the one which had the removable magazine.
All the above is from my memory. I am not able to take one and examine it right now. Over the years, there have been many proof type marks put on the metal parts.
Ken
How do I join this group?? Billy
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509|508|2010-08-24 15:18:05|J B Boren|Re: Interested in 99|If you sent this email to the group, you already did.
jbb
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510|504|2010-08-24 17:11:36|John|Re: Savage 99|jbb
Attachments :
I have the 99C in 308. For the life of me I cannot find a replacement buttplate for it. I removed the butt pad for two reasons, one made the action and eye relief a bit too long for me and it had dried up. I bought one buttplate from gunbroker and though it listed as a model C it is too small both in length and width but it does have all the Savage markings. Then I bought one from Brownells also listed and marked for the model C, does not have any markings (no Indian head etc.) but alas the mounting holes do not line up, it’s too long and 1/8 too skinny!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone can help me finding the right buttplate….Savage website does not have it.
john
Sometimes the model variants are identified by differences in the cosmetic look of the rifles.
Earlier model 99's had a long, schnabel foreend. Also had a brass rotary and counter, while later models may have had a different kind of metal for the rotary, and had no counter. On the Alaskan models the barrel and foreend could be removed. This made it easier to carry the rifle in or strapped to a backpack or a pack frame. Alaskan models did have the long, schnabel foreend.
Some variants had a shorter, rounded foreend, and at least one had a shorter, very wide foreend.
One model, I believe it was the "A" Model had a straight stock, with no pistol grip. The safety was on top of the tang, instead of being a part of the lever. The "C" Model was the one which had the removable magazine.
All the above is from my memory. I am not able to take one and examine it right now. Over the years, there have been many proof type marks put on the metal parts.
Ken
Are you sure you don't have a 99CD? It has a larger buttplate than the 99C. The CD is distinguished from the C by the Monte Carlo style 'hump' on the stock.
Here is a 99C-
 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=186672298
and here is a 99CD-
 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=186402414
and here is what some call a transitional model; others call a 99CD mislabeled as a 99C-
 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=186419744
jbb
amarillo
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512|504|2010-08-24 18:00:40|John|Savage 99|Here is a 99C-
 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=186672298
and here is a 99CD-
 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=186402414
and here is what some call a transitional model; others call a 99CD mislabeled as a 99C-
 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=186419744
jbb
amarillo
Thanks JBB,
It’s definitely the first one, the 99C. In comparison to the one at auction mine has a darker wood which appears to be of lesser grade. My stock checkering differs at the pistol grip end where mine is squared off while on the forearm is exactly the same. The bolt on mine is plain jane and not jeweled. Also the pad on mine is brown and not black, the label on it is orizontal and it reads:
KASSNAR
HC0151
MADE IN SPAIN
Perhaps the stock and pad was an after market replacement. The stock also does have a vertical crack about an inch long starting from behind the safety.
I have scouted for a full stock and forearm replacement with no luck. The blueing is near perfect.
Regards,
john
Are you sure you don't have a 99CD? It has a larger buttplate than the 99C. The CD is distinguished from the C by the Monte Carlo style 'hump' on the stock.
Here is a 99C-
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=186672298
and here is a 99CD-
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=186402414
and here is what some call a transitional model; others call a 99CD mislabeled as a 99C-
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=186419744
jbb
amarillo
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:52 AM, John <ceccano@...| 513|504|2010-08-24 19:49:46|J B Boren|Re: Savage 99|
Definitely not original pad...probably original stock, but can't say for sure.
The crack behind the tang is most commonly caused by over-tightening of the stock bolt. It works just like a shotgun...it's under the buttplate or pad. You might loosen it slightly if you've had it off and tightened it...if it came that way, I'd just ignore it and use it. A good smith can repair the crack if it becomes critical.
You can still find stocks on Ebay and the gun auction sites if you look regularly. Brownell's has quit stocking them, as best I can tell. A call to Boyd's Custom Gunstocks could probably get you one made, and their prices were reasonable last time I used them.
jbb
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514|476|2010-08-24 20:36:49|r40xb|Re: Savage 99 reloading|The crack behind the tang is most commonly caused by over-tightening of the stock bolt. It works just like a shotgun...it's under the buttplate or pad. You might loosen it slightly if you've had it off and tightened it...if it came that way, I'd just ignore it and use it. A good smith can repair the crack if it becomes critical.
You can still find stocks on Ebay and the gun auction sites if you look regularly. Brownell's has quit stocking them, as best I can tell. A call to Boyd's Custom Gunstocks could probably get you one made, and their prices were reasonable last time I used them.
jbb
For the rifles that want to stretch cases I place a washer of the correct thickness on top of the press ram and adjust the sizer die to it. The washer is kept in the die box for easy access to speed up the reloading process. Some rifles require thicker washers than others, but it saves time of adjusting the die. I bet the rifle J.B. has to use the small base sizer die on is pretty accurate..
r.
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515|476|2010-08-24 20:44:18|r40xb|Re: Savage 99 reloading|r.
What was your experience with accuracy as far as the small chambered .243 is concerned? I've never had to use a small base sizer die, but those 99 chambers with the smaller specs seem to be pretty accurate...
r.
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516|476|2010-08-24 21:27:20|J B Boren|Re: Savage 99 reloading|r.
They aren't very accurate when you can't get the rounds into the chamber. :-)
On occasion, I could chamber a round that was FL-sized. I could never chamber a neck-sized round. There's simply not enough leverage to get the action closed (at least, I wasn't willing to hammer the lever closed).
Even with SB-sized handloads, it was indeed accurate. The occasional FL-sized round was even better. With a 95-gn Nosler Partition or Ballistic Tip, it would easily shoot into an inch at 100 yards...some days a bit better. (And I'm not a competitive shooter anymore.)
I don't have it any more. I traded it on a late '30s 250-3000 deluxe model, including a factory Lyman peep, that someone wanted to 'upgrade'. They thought the 243 was a better cartridge. Maybe so, but the 80s-made 99D couldn't touch the 30s-made 250 that I got for it, in terms of interest to me.
jbb
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517|517|2011-12-22 07:35:13|AE7FF|My model 99|On occasion, I could chamber a round that was FL-sized. I could never chamber a neck-sized round. There's simply not enough leverage to get the action closed (at least, I wasn't willing to hammer the lever closed).
Even with SB-sized handloads, it was indeed accurate. The occasional FL-sized round was even better. With a 95-gn Nosler Partition or Ballistic Tip, it would easily shoot into an inch at 100 yards...some days a bit better. (And I'm not a competitive shooter anymore.)
I don't have it any more. I traded it on a late '30s 250-3000 deluxe model, including a factory Lyman peep, that someone wanted to 'upgrade'. They thought the 243 was a better cartridge. Maybe so, but the 80s-made 99D couldn't touch the 30s-made 250 that I got for it, in terms of interest to me.
jbb
I just inherited a nice Savage model 99 in the .300 caliber. Here are the details:
It has the steel shot gun butt plate and the serial number is 7344??. The date tool on www.savage99.com says it was made in or after 1951. It has the checkered stock, and the checkered schnoble fore arm. Also in the package was the Weaver K4-C3, fixed 4 power scope. Cool huh.
I need a few accesories, lile a sling, cleaning kit, and a bag to put it in, sl just after Christmas I'll hit Bass Pro Shop, and Cabela's.
Guys, I have to clean this thing up. It is very dirty. Would you have any suggestions on what to use, and how to clean off the many tiny spots of rust I put on it when I was a kid.
Thanks
Lee
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518|517|2011-12-22 07:59:17|J B Boren|Re: My model 99|It has the steel shot gun butt plate and the serial number is 7344??. The date tool on www.savage99.com says it was made in or after 1951. It has the checkered stock, and the checkered schnoble fore arm. Also in the package was the Weaver K4-C3, fixed 4 power scope. Cool huh.
I need a few accesories, lile a sling, cleaning kit, and a bag to put it in, sl just after Christmas I'll hit Bass Pro Shop, and Cabela's.
Guys, I have to clean this thing up. It is very dirty. Would you have any suggestions on what to use, and how to clean off the many tiny spots of rust I put on it when I was a kid.
Thanks
Lee
The best way to date the rifle is to look for the lever boss date code. It is a small number and letter stamped in an oval on the front side of the lever boss.
734xxx puts it right in the middle of 1954, so it should have an 'F' in the date code circle. If it is an 'E' or a 'G', you've got an interesting rifle. I'm assuming it is an EG model. Schnabel forend?
To clean the outside, get some Birchwood Casey Barricade and spray it down, then wipe clean. That stuff is a very good rust preventer and make the rifle smell like a rifle should smell. Keep a rag handy that you use with the Barricade for quick wipe-downs after the rifle has been handled...it'll keep fingerprints from turning into rust spots. Use it with some 0000 steel wool to gently buff out the rust spots. They'll leave a shiny spot, but if you get the oxidation off, it won't spread.
To clean the bore, I prefer Wipe-Out bore cleaning foam; use it with the accelerator and you can do it in an hour instead of overnight. The stuff really works, won't hurt your barrel like some of the strong ammonia-compounds, and is e-a-s-y. Here's links to it on MidwayUSA-
 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/784639/sharp-shoot-r-wipe-out-brushless-foaming-bore-cleaning-solvent-5-oz-aerosol
 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/461265/sharp-shoot-r-wipe-out-bore-cleaning-solvent-accelerator-8-oz-liquid
Hope this helps. Good rifle. Hang on to it. If you handload, I've got some great 300 Sav recipes as well.
jbb
listowner
amarillo, tx
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519|517|2011-12-23 21:13:39|Pat & Randy Church|Re: My model 99|734xxx puts it right in the middle of 1954, so it should have an 'F' in the date code circle. If it is an 'E' or a 'G', you've got an interesting rifle. I'm assuming it is an EG model. Schnabel forend?
To clean the outside, get some Birchwood Casey Barricade and spray it down, then wipe clean. That stuff is a very good rust preventer and make the rifle smell like a rifle should smell. Keep a rag handy that you use with the Barricade for quick wipe-downs after the rifle has been handled...it'll keep fingerprints from turning into rust spots. Use it with some 0000 steel wool to gently buff out the rust spots. They'll leave a shiny spot, but if you get the oxidation off, it won't spread.
To clean the bore, I prefer Wipe-Out bore cleaning foam; use it with the accelerator and you can do it in an hour instead of overnight. The stuff really works, won't hurt your barrel like some of the strong ammonia-compounds, and is e-a-s-y. Here's links to it on MidwayUSA-
 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/784639/sharp-shoot-r-wipe-out-brushless-foaming-bore-cleaning-solvent-5-oz-aerosol
 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/461265/sharp-shoot-r-wipe-out-bore-cleaning-solvent-accelerator-8-oz-liquid
Hope this helps. Good rifle. Hang on to it. If you handload, I've got some great 300 Sav recipes as well.
jbb
listowner
amarillo, tx
A plain old eraser works on some rust spots
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520|520|2012-04-01 22:59:18|ve6mwb|303 Savage|Has any one ever use resized 30-30 win.in a Savage 303? I have a Savage 99 manufactured in 1902 and 303 brass is getting really scarce. I still have 2 boxs of winchester 190Gr silvertips , but am looking to reload some lighter bullets for it.
Monty
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521|520|2012-04-01 23:05:18|J B Boren|Re: 303 Savage|Monty
I have used 30-30 (and 25-35) to make 22 Sav HP, but I've never used it to make 303 Savage. For some reason, nobody seems to recommend it. I'd check the case body dimensions and see if it will blow out too much to be a safe conversion first.
Seems like somebody is selling new 303 Sav ammo now. While it's not cheap, it is cheaper than it has been the last six or eight years when you had to bid on it on Gunbroker. I sold a few boxes about six years ago for $70 a box, and the guy who bought it was glad to get it under $100. I think it's down to about $40 a box now, if you find the right places to look.
jbb
amarillo
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522|520|2012-04-01 23:17:42|Paladin|Re: 303 Savage|Seems like somebody is selling new 303 Sav ammo now. While it's not cheap, it is cheaper than it has been the last six or eight years when you had to bid on it on Gunbroker. I sold a few boxes about six years ago for $70 a box, and the guy who bought it was glad to get it under $100. I think it's down to about $40 a box now, if you find the right places to look.
jbb
amarillo
From: ve6mwb
Monty
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Monty,
Monty
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Monty,
Check with Grafs to see if they still have new, unprimed .303 Savage brass. There is some chance they do.....
Paladin
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PRVI BRASS 303 SAVAGE UNPRIMED 100/BAG
| Item #: | PPU303S |
|---|---|
| Price: | $52.99 per 100 cases |
On Apr 1, 2012, at 3:55 PM, ve6mwb wrote:
I dug out my Speer manual to refresh my memory about the .30-30 and found the specs for the .303 online. There are just enough differences in the two that I would suggest looking for cases instead of forming them from the .30-30.
Ken
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525|520|2012-04-02 16:29:25|ve6mwb|Re: 303 Savage|Ken
Problem there is I live in Canada and home land security grabs everything that is even remotely related to firearms at the border. nothing is made in this country any more.
Monty
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526|520|2012-04-02 16:29:48|Immadmacs|Re: 303 Savage|Monty
Ammoman has some 303 British for sale.
$179-200 ROUNDS (10) BOXES DELIVERED
FastLink:
http://www.ammoman.com/c/29/303-british
FastLink:
http://www.ammoman.com/c/29/303-british
From: J B Boren
I have used 30-30 (and 25-35) to make 22 Sav HP, but I've never used it to make 303 Savage. For some reason, nobody seems to recommend it. I'd check the case body dimensions and see if it will blow out too much to be a safe conversion first.
Seems like somebody is selling new 303 Sav ammo now. While it's not cheap, it is cheaper than it has been the last six or eight years when you had to bid on it on Gunbroker. I sold a few boxes about six years ago for $70 a box, and the guy who bought it was glad to get it under $100. I think it's down to about $40 a box now, if you find the right places to look.
jbb
amarillo
Seems like somebody is selling new 303 Sav ammo now. While it's not cheap, it is cheaper than it has been the last six or eight years when you had to bid on it on Gunbroker. I sold a few boxes about six years ago for $70 a box, and the guy who bought it was glad to get it under $100. I think it's down to about $40 a box now, if you find the right places to look.
jbb
amarillo
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:55 PM, ve6mwb <ve6mwb@...
Are there not some licensed Canadian importers who are willing to receive and send empty cases to you? This might be worth
researching. New cases are available on the world market, some from Serbia, some from elsewhere (not U.S.-made).
Paladin
From: ve6mwb
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535|530|2012-04-10 06:20:56|AE7FF|Re: My 99 feeds poorly|
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544|544|2012-04-20 23:32:42|Chris and Eva Harvey|Feeding|
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554|554|2013-01-17 00:33:31|Randall Church|.300 Sav. Bullet Selection| |
555|554|2013-01-17 03:17:36|J B Boren|Re: .300 Sav. Bullet Selection|
Actually, I visited a gunsmith about an hour south of me today and he knows a smith in Saskatchewan and he gets his brass from Russia. Good Norma quality brass I'm told and you don't have to sell your first born to get it! Which is totally unheard of up here. I read that one chap in Nova Scotia has a box of loaded shells and he wants $75.00 for it. Hope he put's them under his pillow I say! Dream on ole boy dream on!
Monty
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529|520|2012-04-04 15:52:45|ve6mwb|Re: 303 Savage|Monty
Totally different cartridge than the 303 Savage
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530|530|2012-04-09 05:27:30|AE7FF|My 99 feeds poorly|I finally got to the rifle range last week. The rifle shot well but several times I had to play with the rounds to get them to feed. it seems that if as I load the magazine with a the rounds, and push forward then they will feed well, but the rounds like to insert more toward the back of the magazine if I make no effort to press them forward. It looks like about 3/16" of slop.
Does anyone have this problem?
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531|530|2012-04-09 05:42:45|J B Boren|Re: My 99 feeds poorly|Does anyone have this problem?
I don't know what rifle you are talking about (if there was a previous post, I missed it). Which model, caliber, magazine type, etc. are you using?
jbb
amarillo
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532|530|2012-04-09 05:50:14|AE7FF|Re: My 99 feeds poorly|jbb
amarillo
I have a model 99 with the rotary magazine, and the .300 Savage chamber
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533|530|2012-04-09 06:21:10|J B Boren|Re: My 99 feeds poorly|Some of the later (aluminum, not brass) rotary magazines are a bit picky when it comes to feeding. If the round is pushed all the way to the rear of the magazine, sometimes the bolt will ride over the top of the round instead of catching the base of the case and pushing the round into the chamber. Is this what you are experiencing? What year was your rifle made?
About 1954 (or so), Savage lenghtened the receiver to accept the longer 308 family of cases. This left a little play with the shorter 300 Savage cartridge. Most people found this a good problem, as it allowed them to seat the heavier 30 caliber bullets a bit further out of the 300 Sav case. But it did lead to a few feeding issues. So if leaving the rounds a bit off the back of the rotary magazine help, then do that.
HTH.
jbb
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534|534|2012-04-09 21:29:47|Chris and Eva Harvey|(no subject)|About 1954 (or so), Savage lenghtened the receiver to accept the longer 308 family of cases. This left a little play with the shorter 300 Savage cartridge. Most people found this a good problem, as it allowed them to seat the heavier 30 caliber bullets a bit further out of the 300 Sav case. But it did lead to a few feeding issues. So if leaving the rounds a bit off the back of the rotary magazine help, then do that.
HTH.
jbb
I have the same problem. Mine's a model 99 chambered in .300 Savage, but is older, or so I've been told. A gunsmith (an older guy) wasn't able to make a difference. Chris |
I like the idea of the larger bullet. are you saying that I can shoot the .308 Winchester in my .300 savage? because that is about how much slop I have in the magazine.
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536|530|2012-04-10 18:25:51|J B Boren|Re: My 99 feeds poorly|Absolutely not. Fortunately, it is designed so it won't chamber, to protect those from themselves who might be 'challenged' enough to try.
A 308 Winchester is not a 'larger bullet', it is a different cartridge. A larger bullet would be a 180-gn bullet loaded in a 300 Savage (for example), instead of the standard 150-gn bullet.
The only cartridges that should be chambered in any firearm are those as stamped on the barrel.
jbb
amarillo
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537|530|2012-04-12 05:53:03|Ken|Re: My 99 feeds poorly|A 308 Winchester is not a 'larger bullet', it is a different cartridge. A larger bullet would be a 180-gn bullet loaded in a 300 Savage (for example), instead of the standard 150-gn bullet.
The only cartridges that should be chambered in any firearm are those as stamped on the barrel.
jbb
amarillo
Very first thing to do is to examine the rotary and make sure it is clean and lubricated. Check to see if there are any worn spots, burrs, or other obstructions that might keep the cartridge from feeding.
If all this looks good, take it to a competent gunsmith. You may have a problem in the bolt. Difficult for us to determine without looking at the rifle.
Second thing is to get yourself a copy of a good reloading manual, such as the Speer manual. Then look at the diagrams of the .300 savage and .308 Winchester. Once you do you will see why the .308 will not chamber in the .300 Savage barrel. Bullets are both .308 diameter but cases are different.
Ken
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538|530|2012-04-13 04:18:01|Pat & Randy Church|Re: My 99 feeds poorly|If all this looks good, take it to a competent gunsmith. You may have a problem in the bolt. Difficult for us to determine without looking at the rifle.
Second thing is to get yourself a copy of a good reloading manual, such as the Speer manual. Then look at the diagrams of the .300 savage and .308 Winchester. Once you do you will see why the .308 will not chamber in the .300 Savage barrel. Bullets are both .308 diameter but cases are different.
Ken
Sometimes a taper crimp on the bullet will help the feeding. good luck!
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539|530|2012-04-20 06:54:46|STEVE RUSCH|Re: My 99 feeds poorly|one of the things we learned early on with these great shooters was to not 'baby" the cycling of the lever. if you try to ease the round into the chanber, jambs would occur. grandpa always explained it as...if there is a big one in front of you and you need the second shot, cylce it like you need it.
hope that helps! trying to catch up onthe emails, so, i appologize if this has been offered already!
lurking in the willows....
From: Pat & Randy Church
Sometimes a taper crimp on the bullet will help the feeding. good luck!
That IS EXACTLY what i've been doing. Problem solved. Thanks.
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541|541|2012-04-20 17:40:08|AE7FF|Factory loaded too expensive.|Finding factory loaded 300 Savage bullets is becoming more difficult. I found them on the shelf at C-belas, but they cost nearly $40 for 20 rounds.
I do not have time to reload, anybody know where to get them.
Lee
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542|541|2012-04-20 18:22:29|J B Boren|Re: Factory loaded too expensive.|I do not have time to reload, anybody know where to get them.
Lee
Well, you can reload, or you can steal them. Other than that, you'll have to pay what they cost, and with lead and copper prices doing what they are doing worldwide, combined with lesser demand for the 300 Savage round, those factory ammo prices aren't going south any time soon.
Wal-mart stores that carry ammo occasionally have white-box Winchester or green-and-yellow-box RP for around $26 to $28, but this only works if you are near one of those stores.
Search online for sales. MidwayUSA.com, Natchezss.com, Wideners.com, Grafs.com, etc., all have sales from time-to-time.
You can search Gunbroker.com and Auctionarms.com for the ammo. It can occasionally be found, but these days, there aren't many bargains on ammo on those sites.
You could find a local handloader you trust and buy the components for him/her to load into your brass. But it would need to be someone you trust, or who does this for a business.
jbb
amarillo
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543|543|2012-04-20 18:23:38|John Misilli|300 savage ammo|Wal-mart stores that carry ammo occasionally have white-box Winchester or green-and-yellow-box RP for around $26 to $28, but this only works if you are near one of those stores.
Search online for sales. MidwayUSA.com, Natchezss.com, Wideners.com, Grafs.com, etc., all have sales from time-to-time.
You can search Gunbroker.com and Auctionarms.com for the ammo. It can occasionally be found, but these days, there aren't many bargains on ammo on those sites.
You could find a local handloader you trust and buy the components for him/her to load into your brass. But it would need to be someone you trust, or who does this for a business.
jbb
amarillo
Go to www.gunbroker.com and type 300 Savage ammo in the search. There are about 10 listing, just as a couple examples, one for about $ 35 with a shipment estimate you get 12 rounds of factory rounds and 59 mixed brass. The other and most interesting 5 new boxes (100 rounds) of precision at $ 135 (buy now) plus I estimate the shipment at $ 10 you would pay $ 29 per box delivered.
Best of luck,
john
Thaks for the suggestions- I've tried cycling quickly and a taper crimp. Sometimes it feeds an entire magazine without jamming, and other times wants to jam the entire magazine. Any other ideas? Chris |
Gunsmith.
jbb
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546|541|2012-04-21 05:31:31|Ken|Re: Factory loaded too expensive.|jbb
First, I encourage you and everyone else to take the time and learn to reload. There are many advantages, including matching new bullet weights to loads. I used a 165gn bullet in my .300 for greater accuracy. The Speer manual covers bullet weights from 100gn to 200gn.
A couple of years ago, I was in my local farm supply store and noticed they had a small locked case for ammunition. A closer look showed me five boxes of new(er) factory .300 ammo. All five are now in my possession. The price was $16.95 a box.
Shortly after the beginning of November 2008 I inventoried and discovered I had overlooked some calibers. I spent the day driving and visiting. Driving around the smaller towns near me, and visiting with hardware store and gun store people. My wife was not happy when she saw the bank statement, but my supply list was completed.
I suggest you take a similar road trip if possible, and explore those out of the way places which may not have increased their prices lately.
Good hunting.
Ken
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547|544|2012-04-21 05:35:11|Ken|Re: Feeding|A couple of years ago, I was in my local farm supply store and noticed they had a small locked case for ammunition. A closer look showed me five boxes of new(er) factory .300 ammo. All five are now in my possession. The price was $16.95 a box.
Shortly after the beginning of November 2008 I inventoried and discovered I had overlooked some calibers. I spent the day driving and visiting. Driving around the smaller towns near me, and visiting with hardware store and gun store people. My wife was not happy when she saw the bank statement, but my supply list was completed.
I suggest you take a similar road trip if possible, and explore those out of the way places which may not have increased their prices lately.
Good hunting.
Ken
How are you lubricating this rifle, and how is the humidity?
Ken
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548|548|2012-04-21 05:46:43|doylefish|300 Savage brass|Ken
It is expensive when you buy loaded ammo. I used to buy from Midway and it wasn't to bad. You can also be on the look out for forming dies that make 300 savage brass from 30-06 and 308. You have to have a reloading set up for this. I have not been that active of a shooter lately but at one time I loaded for over 38 calibers. I also own over 20 savage 99's. My personal favorite is 284 Win.
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549|544|2012-04-22 00:35:24|Chris and Eva Harvey|Feeding|"How are you lubricating this rifle, and how is the humidity?" I've tried several lubricants with various success, but I'd like to solve the problem without submerging the magazine in oil. Yup, two gunsmiths have come up empty, too. Chris |
The previous post is SPAM. Do not click the link. There has been a large increase in Spam postings on groups since the holidays.
Ken
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552|550|2013-01-14 20:25:16|J B Boren|Re: Previous Post is SPAM----Do Not Click the Link|Ken
Already moderated.
Thx
Jbb
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Two bullets I have had good accuracy with in the .300 Sav. 99 are the Speer 125 grain TNT hollow point and the Lee 90368/c309-17-f with hornady gas check sized .309. The Lee was driven by Hercules 2400 powder and my load for the Speer uses HiVel#2, which, unfortunately, is not available any more.
Randy
HiVel #2? That's an OLD load.
That powder was discontinued in 1964(ish). I was born that year.
jbb
amarillo
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556|556|2013-08-26 00:52:33|dd45|Savage M99TD|That powder was discontinued in 1964(ish). I was born that year.
jbb
amarillo
Have my first M99 TD, made in 1914, in .30-30 caliber. Seems to be little changed from original (Williams peep rear sight) and other holes for a scope mount.
Just found a YouTube video by a youngster name of Dillon Tjernlund who has the very same TD rifle (year, cartridge, etc), except a different rear peep and an after market recoil pad. He shows how the take down function works which has been a mystery to me since mine does NOT come apart so easily. I have been applying Kroil to the barrel receiver juncture for a couple of days but no improvement so far. Anyone have a suggestion? NOTE: I did have the action open for my attempts.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iHpikUIevA
As of now, I have NOT taken the butt stock off nor have I tried to remove the action internals. Have seen another video how to do that but am not in a hurry.
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557|557|2013-08-29 22:00:08|David Daniels|Savage M99 Group|Just found a YouTube video by a youngster name of Dillon Tjernlund who has the very same TD rifle (year, cartridge, etc), except a different rear peep and an after market recoil pad. He shows how the take down function works which has been a mystery to me since mine does NOT come apart so easily. I have been applying Kroil to the barrel receiver juncture for a couple of days but no improvement so far. Anyone have a suggestion? NOTE: I did have the action open for my attempts.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iHpikUIevA
As of now, I have NOT taken the butt stock off nor have I tried to remove the action internals. Have seen another video how to do that but am not in a hurry.
Well, I posted my message about my .30-30 M99 TD on August 25th. No
response from any members. JBB, I am wondering if you know any other
forum or group where there may be Savage 99 owners willing to converse
about their guns.
At the moment, I still have not succeeded in removing the barrel -- by
hand -- after several applications of Kroil.
You did caution me about using a vise so I will not try that, but am
wondering if a few blows on the receiver ring with a rubber mallet
might be safe. Second possibility is a strap wrench with a rubber
strap like the ones used to remove oil filters?
double445d
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558|557|2013-08-30 04:52:28|Paladin|Re: Savage M99 Group|response from any members. JBB, I am wondering if you know any other
forum or group where there may be Savage 99 owners willing to converse
about their guns.
At the moment, I still have not succeeded in removing the barrel -- by
hand -- after several applications of Kroil.
You did caution me about using a vise so I will not try that, but am
wondering if a few blows on the receiver ring with a rubber mallet
might be safe. Second possibility is a strap wrench with a rubber
strap like the ones used to remove oil filters?
double445d
A response has not been received primarily because those of us with TakeDown rifles do not have any
difficulty in unscrewing the barrel --especially after reviewing Savage's instructions, which describe a very
simple, easy-to-do procedure. The bafflement in this case is because the question mentions that the
TD instructions have been followed.
Kindly advise:
---Was the forearm removed as a first step?
---Is the rifle actually a TD model?
---Is the barrel rusted into the receiver?
With this information at hand, perhaps other necessary questions can be asked, leading to what is needed.
Let 'er rip,
Paladin
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From: David Daniels
Well, I posted my message about my .30-30 M99 TD on August 25th. No
response from any members. JBB, I am wondering if you know any other
forum or group where there may be Savage 99 owners willing to converse
about their guns.
At the moment, I still have not succeeded in removing the barrel -- by
hand -- after several applications of Kroil.
You did caution me about using a vise so I will not try that, but am
wondering if a few blows on the receiver ring with a rubber mallet
might be safe. Second possibility is a strap wrench with a rubber
strap like the ones used to remove oil filters?
double445d
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Well, I posted my message about my .30-30 M99 TD on August 25th. No
response from any members. JBB, I am wondering if you know any other
forum or group where there may be Savage 99 owners willing to converse
about their guns.
At the moment, I still have not succeeded in removing the barrel -- by
hand -- after several applications of Kroil.
You did caution me about using a vise so I will not try that, but am
wondering if a few blows on the receiver ring with a rubber mallet
might be safe. Second possibility is a strap wrench with a rubber
strap like the ones used to remove oil filters?
double445d
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<*| 559|557|2013-08-30 05:48:15|rookrifle|Re: Savage M99 Group|
David,
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I'll be happy to talk about 99's although I won't have much to say. I have owned, or still own, two of the critters. Sad story follows. The first was a 22 Savage HP take down which I received as part payment for some gunny work for a friend. This happened 50 years ago. I couldn't sell the thing or trade it so I sent it off to P.O. Ackley to be rebored and rechambered to 257 Ackley Improved. I had quite a bit of trouble learning how to make brass for it and finding a bullet it liked. I wanted to be able to hunt with a 117 grain RN but it turned out that such a bulled had to be seated so deep that it would push back into the case with the slightest pressure. I settled upon an 87 grain spitzer propelled by H380. (Several years later I learned I was getting 3200 fps from this bullet) I used it to collect a couple of out little white tail bucks and a feral cat. The cat was living near a feeder and making short work of the local wild turkeys. It had to go. Somewhere along the way I fitted a 7mm bbl to it and chambered it to 7mmx30/30 but never was able to fit a latch stud to the bbl for the fore end. Fore end was held in place with electrical tape. I hadn't discovered duct tape at the time. I ended up giving it to a friend who was much smarter about making barrel studs than I am. He was looking for a low recoiling rifle for his daughter to hunt with.
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The other 99 in my life is a take down chambered for the 250/3000 cartridge which I got at a gun show about 20 years ago. It was made in 1928 and is in about 80 to 90 % condition. Since someone had drilled and tapped it for scope mounts I installed a Weaver 2½ power scope on it. It shoots reasonably well with 100 grain bullets but I have never hunted with it. I had no problem taking it apart but I couldn't describe the process to you without digging it out of the safe which I will be happy to do do if you want me to. There are a couple of hold togethers to keep the bbl on snug. One, as I remember, is on the fore end but I can't remember the other. Seems that it it a projection from the front of the top of the breech block which must be retracted to allow the bbl to turn. Let me know if you need for me to examine mine for any other tricks.
Â
I didn't intend to write a book on the subject so I will close this and await your reply.
Â
HTH
Frank in Shavano Park, TX Â (aka rookrifle)
Paladin, thanks for the response.
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561|557|2013-08-30 16:40:07|David Daniels|Re: Savage M99 Group|Yes, the forearm was removed and the lever opened to ensure that the internal parts would not be damaged.
JBB stated that all M99s with the slide lock on the forearm are TD rifles. Mine has that. Further, there is no indication of barrel having been replaced.
No sign of significant rust, perhaps just a hint of brown.
dd
p.s. I do not have the Savage manual. But, the youtube video that I referenced gives a clear view of the process.
Thanks again for the info. I suspect that the part at the top of the breech block that you mention is the extractor, which is why the action needs to be open so that it is out of the way.
dd
It is not all that uncommon for TD rifles to freeze up. I've owned a few, and still have one or two (both happen to be 22 HPs). I actually damaged the barrel on one of them trying to get it apart.
SDG,
jbb
Amarillo, TX
NRA Life/Endowment/Patron
"Lighten up, Francis."
       - Sgt. Hulka
jbb
Amarillo, TX
NRA Life/Endowment/Patron
"Lighten up, Francis."
       - Sgt. Hulka
That is a fun gun to shoot, especially with cast bullets. I'd forget about
taking it apart, especially if
someone silver soldered it together and spend the time shooting it.
Randy
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564|563|2013-09-02 01:55:49|David Daniels|Re: 30-30 TD|taking it apart, especially if
someone silver soldered it together and spend the time shooting it.
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There is no indication that anyone did that.
dd
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565|563|2013-09-02 02:02:50|J B Boren|Re: 30-30 TD|dd
It is also possible that someone put some Loc-tite in the threads at one time. You could see silver solder...but I don't think you'd see Loc-tite. It would have to be heated to get that to free up.
SDG,
jbb
Amarillo, TX
NRA Life/Endowment/Patron
"Lighten up, Francis."
       - Sgt. Hulka
jbb
Amarillo, TX
NRA Life/Endowment/Patron
"Lighten up, Francis."
       - Sgt. Hulka
If any of you are still around, and want a higher rate of conversations, there's a relatively new Facebook group dedicated to the Savage 99. I'm relatively new there, but it seems like a decent group of fellows so far.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1572127359684931/
It is a closed group, so you'll have to request to join and a moderator will approve your request as long as you don't look like a nut case.
jbb
listowner
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567|566|2014-12-23 16:47:43|John Misilli|Re: Facebook Group for Sav 99 fans|https://www.facebook.com/groups/1572127359684931/
It is a closed group, so you'll have to request to join and a moderator will approve your request as long as you don't look like a nut case.
jbb
listowner
Thanks JB, I just asked to join, waiting for a nod. Merry Christmas,
john
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Subject: [Savage99] Facebook Group for Sav 99 fans
If any of you are still around, and want a higher rate of conversations, there's a relatively new Facebook group dedicated to the Savage 99. I'm relatively new there, but it seems like a decent group of fellows so far.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1572127359684931/
It is a closed group, so you'll have to request to join and a moderator will approve your request as long as you don't look like a nut case.
jbb
listowner
Attachments :
This was posted on Yahoo recently-
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This means this group is going the way of the dodo bird.
Since there isn't much activity here, I recommend any of you who wish to remain connected to a Savage 99 group go to the Savage 99 Club on Facebook.
This link should get you there and you can request to join the group.
SDG,
jbb (List owner)
Amarillo, TX
NRA Life/Benefactor
"Simul iustus et peccator"
jbb (List owner)
Amarillo, TX
NRA Life/Benefactor
"Simul iustus et peccator"
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