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APPLE II DEVELOPMENT FORUM CONFERENCE LOG
Tuesday, July 13, 1993  10:00 p.m. Eastern Time
Topic:  Open Topic
Forum Leader:  Gary Jacobson (AFL GaryJ)

AFL GaryJ  Welcome to the Apple II Development Forum!  Tonight, we're having
           an
AFL GaryJ  OPEN topic, which means that we can discuss ONLY the OPEN command
           in GS/OS.
AFL GaryJ  (nah, just kidding)
Matt DTS   Howdy.  :)
Sheppy     Sounds like an exotic topic to me. :)
Matt DTS   (AOL still tends to spin my Mac's cursor for a few minutes when I
           try to do things>)
AFL GaryJ  It's what ever is on your mind tonight, hoping that it somehow
           correlates with programming
KLIPSCH    /Open /Sesame
AFL GaryJ  on the Apple II/IIGS.
AFC Softy  (it's summertime Matt... beachballs and such... :)
KLIPSCH    ahhhhhhhh.....(a BIG Mac!!!!!)
KLIPSCH    Sesame Seeds...
AFL GaryJ  We COULD discuss System 6.0.1 (especially if we had it online for
           people
AFL GaryJ  to download)
AFC Softy  :D
Sheppy     That would be silly, Gary.  Personally, I think it's all a big
           hoax, and that
Sheppy     somebody's trying to destroy our minds. :)
AFA AndyW  Matt, will programming info be available with the 6.0.1 online
           disks???
AFL GaryJ  It only exists on paper (Resource Central's catalog)
KLIPSCH    We could ALSO  down load some "Cold boots"!
Sheppy     (Which is a futile effort, since we don't have minds... :)
Matt DTS   Apple's not making any books or documents, Andy.
AFL GaryJ  Jay would probably like some "cold boots" right now :)
AFA Jay    ;)
KLIPSCH    I am trying ta THINK!!!!!....(but nothings happenning!
Sheppy     I believe that Mike W. has said he's working on an update for
           PR6.
AFC Softy  ByteWorks is updating the 6.0 Programmers Ref...
AFA AndyW  I'll check with Mike..
AFA AndyW  Hi Jim..
Sheppy     Yo, Jim.
AFC DYAJim hi andy, all!
AFL GaryJ  Mike is selling a Programmer's Reference for System 6.0.1.
AFC Softy  I already ordered the 6.0/6.0.1 Ref... he has a separate update
           for those 
Sheppy     Oh?  He's already taking orders?  Any idea how much?
AFC Softy  you have the 6.0 ref already and need just the supplement.
AFL GaryJ  (Ten bucks for the Programmer's Reference)
Sheppy     (for the supplement)
AFL GaryJ  Yeah, the supplement, not the re-write.
AFC Softy  Ack.... can't remember... I *think* the suppliment is 10
           bucks...
AFL GaryJ  Yes, it is :)
Sheppy     Sounds good.  Better than buying a whole new book. :)
AFL GaryJ  Of course he also has all the macro updates available too.
AFC DYAJim there's not enough material for a whole new book
Sheppy     I was referring to the idea of buying a whole new version of the
           same book
AFC Softy  Ordered all of those too... :)
Sheppy     with the changes.
AFA AndyW  I wonder if it will be drop-in pages, or just an appendix...
Sheppy     I wonder how many new macros were necessary.
AFC Softy  (Except for Pascal.... <yeech!>)
AFL Marty  <SLAP> Softy
Sheppy     Hi, Greg.
AFL GaryJ  Is Mike going to update the existing book too, or just have this
           update?
Sheppy     Softy: :)
Barnabas   Hi Eric, All.
AFC Softy  Gary... I don't know... looks as if I'll be getting the 6.0
           book... and then 
AFA AndyW  Hi Greg..
AFC Softy  the suppliment.
AFA AndyW  <- has the 6.0 book..
Barnabas   Hey, Jim, got forceBlankNow working...
AFC Softy  I asked Mike about it... but he wasn't too clear about it.
Sheppy     <-- Wants the supplement, but will wait 'til I actually have
           6.0.1, to be sure
Sheppy     it really exists. :)
AFL GaryJ  :)
Barnabas   (except it relies on T2's loading address in my machine right
           now...)
AFL GaryJ  <switching to T2 mode>
AFC DYAJim really?
AFC DYAJim wow.  guess I should write the sample module source this weekend
           :)
AFC Softy  Oh... I suppose I could ask Matt about using the Font Manager
           Toolset from 6.0
Sheppy     Wouldn't that be nice, Jim? :)
Barnabas   Yep.  I set up a little program to randomly change blankers every
           15 sec.
AFC Softy  to get around the problem with Pointles... but I know he;ll just
           grumble 
Matt DTS   I don't particularly feel like going ballistic tonight, Softy, so
           I'd prefer it if you didn't.
AFC Softy  something about mixing OS's is grounds for system death.. ;D
AFL GaryJ  Not in so many words, but similar :)
Barnabas   In Apple (and Matt's) defense, Pointless seems to utterly disdain
           following
Barnabas   rules... it breaks rules that aren't even needed to implement
           their font stuff.
Sheppy     Greg: that's true.
Matt DTS   Actually, with a couple of bug exceptions Pointless has been
           pretty good about compatibility.
Barnabas   I call that shoddy programming, and I've yet to hear the Pointless
           people
Barnabas   respond to that.
Matt DTS   They certainly don't patch as much stuff as they _could_ have to
           do the same things, and most of the
Matt DTS   bugs I've seen so far seem like honest mistakes.  I don't know why
           Westcode is so insistent on telling
Matt DTS   people to swap Font Managers when generating one bitmap font is a
           much more stable and secure
Matt DTS   workaround.
AFL Marty  Banner sighted
AFA Jay    ding :)
AFL GaryJ  Right on time (15 minutes after the hour, on the dot :)
AFC DYAJim what happned to banners on the mac/ibm?
Sheppy     Oh, are they saying that now?  I never heard that one.  I very
           possibly might
AFL GaryJ  Don't get Apple II banners (on PC or Mac)
Sheppy     disable Pointless until they fix it -- I don't want all those font
           files around
Sheppy     (which is why I'm using Pointless in the first place).
AFL GaryJ  But you can turn the other ones off in your preferences.
Sheppy     'Course, disabling Pointless means I have to put all those fonts
           in, en masse,
Sheppy     but it's the principle of the thing. :)
AFC Softy  (Matt... I wasn't trying to incite your wrath... but since it was
           brought up
Matt DTS   It's apparently the "I don't want all those font files around"
           that's making them want to tell people
Matt DTS   to swap the Font Manager for the 6.0 Font Manager.
AFL GaryJ  Hi Dan
AFC Softy  in a message area... I thought I should ask anyway.. :)
Barnabas   My personal peeve is their illegal call to _ResourceConverter to
           log stuff into
Barnabas   the system list, so they can screw up developers working on
           Pointless machines.
Sheppy     That got me once.
Barnabas   (Well, that's not the reason, but it seems a pretty blatant
           violation to me.)
Barnabas   You test and ship your application, and then you find out it
           accidentally
Sheppy     Matt: true.  I wouldn't think of using a mismatched tool version,
           though.
AFC DYAJim what do they do?
Barnabas   requires Pointless ito run... :)
Matt DTS   They log a code resource converter into the system list, Jim...
AFL GaryJ  Accidently *requires* Pointless to run?
Matt DTS   ...making your code resources load correctly even if you forgot to
           log in the code resource converter
Matt DTS   yourself.  It works fine as long as Pointless is installed.
AFL GaryJ  Ah.
Sheppy     Yes.  That happened to one program of mine once.  I think I even
           released it
AFL Marty  Did you tell Westcode about the mistake?
Sheppy     that way once.
Barnabas   And even Dave Lyons couldn't figure out the problem, because he
           had Pointless
Barnabas   installed...
Matt DTS   Westcode has been informed.
Sheppy     I informed them, too.
Sheppy     (in a fit of extreme anger and disgust).
AFC DYAJim ahh, good thing I coded T2 before I got pointless :)
AFL GaryJ  :)
Matt DTS   As if you _have_ any other emotions, Greg.  :)
AFA AndyW  Hi Dan..
DanP18     Greetings.
Sheppy     Eh?  That was me, Matt.
Matt DTS   What?
Sheppy     Although that's true about Greg. :)
Matt DTS   (scrolling back)
AFL GaryJ  :)
Barnabas   Disorientation.  Happens a lot in transport, if you don't eat your
           peanuts...
Barnabas   :)
Matt DTS   Well, I guess it was.  It just sounded so much like Greg.  :)
AFL GaryJ  LOL :)
Barnabas   Gee, well, let's just LABEL everybody tonight, guess that's a good
           programming
Barnabas   practice...
AFL GaryJ  Yep
Barnabas   ;)
Sheppy     Well... it's that seemy influence he has on others.  I think I
           need to get
Sheppy     farther away from him. :)
Barnabas   Sure, wash up your programming career... see if I care... :)
Sheppy     Labels are always good.
Barnabas   How about comments?
Sheppy     Them, too.
AFL GaryJ  The labels are on the left half of the screen, and the comments
           are on the right.
AFL GaryJ  (It's already formatted that way - just look :)
Sheppy     Hey, yeah!
AFA Jay    :)
AFL GaryJ  Only problem is, no code to run  :(
AFA Jay    Too bad we can't make aliases for everyone's names :)
Barnabas   Some people don't like these right-wing comments (or the leftist
           labels) :)
AFL GaryJ  :)
Sheppy     I dunno.  All this illogic... looks like Fortran.  Or Cobol,
           maybe. :)
DanP18     Don't say that word!
AFA Jay    don't make fun of cobol, it's good for you.
AFL GaryJ  I'm glad we are keeping this discussion programming oriented :)
DanP18     ?\
DanP18     ?
Sheppy     (Sorry... I never used either one, and won't, either. :)
AFL GaryJ  A question!   GA, Dan
Barnabas   [simultaneous indrawing of breath!]
AFL GaryJ  (Please give Dan the floor)
DanP18     Speaking of programming, anybody got any good objects for ORCA
           Pascal 2.0?
DanP18     I just got it, but it don't got no objects!
DanP18     (which I find highly objectionable)
Sheppy     Oooooooooooooh.
AFL GaryJ  Ooohh... should save those puns for our Sound Programming night
           :)
Sheppy     (That was bad, Dan. :)
Barnabas   'pun my word!
DanP18     Sorry.  It just slipped out.
Sheppy     I don't have Object Pascal.  I might someday get it, since there
           are a few
AFC Softy  Sound puns..... is that anything like a sound byte?
Sheppy     things it might be useful for, but it depends on whether I regain
           my sanity
Sheppy     first or not.
DanP18     (obviuosly, I have no class, otherwise I would have contained
           it)
AFL GaryJ  (Sound Programming is next week, by the way :)
Barnabas   Oh, brother, now it's opun season...
AFL GaryJ  We all have no class (except Eric, he's in summer school)
Sheppy     Sigh... that's sad but true. :(
Barnabas   Yes, everybody stick out your tongue at him, on 3...
Sheppy     ** sob **
Sheppy     :)
AFC DYAJim I bought object pascal.
AFC DYAJim But I'm not sure if I'll ever be using it (I turned out not to use
           it
AFL GaryJ  So, how do you like it?
AFC DYAJim afterall - I was debatig using it for this class.)
AFL GaryJ  Oh.
AFC DYAJim I haven't used it yet, and i don't know if I ever will..:(
AFC DYAJim pascal just isn't my thing, but I might keep it around just in
           case I need
AFC DYAJim it ever..
DanP18     Let's get a count:  Who has Object Pascal?
AFA AndyW  Doesn't have Pascal 2.0, but I have the library!
Barnabas   OK, that was exciting, next topic... :)
DanP18     Ok.  Who is going to get Object Pascal?
Matt DTS   I have it.
AFL GaryJ  Maybe you could "check it out", Andy :)
AFC DYAJim so I might sell it, but probably not
Matt DTS   I haven't had time to play with it, but I have it.
AFA AndyW  Of course YOU have it Matt!
AFL GaryJ  Next poll.... Who has AppleSoft?  
Barnabas   The GS version?
Matt DTS   (AFK)
Barnabas   :)
AFL GaryJ  (I hate seeing a dead screen :)
WizrdsMuse Better...who has Applesoft on cassette? :)
AFL GaryJ  Oh well.
AFL GaryJ  I do, WizrdsMuse :)
Sheppy     Applesoft!  The language of Kings!
AFL GaryJ  (Good question, though :)
DanP18     Final question.  What kind of Objects would you (as developers)
           like to see?
Barnabas   Female?
AFC Softy  o/~  "I shot the screen.... but I didn't shoot the deputy"
Sheppy     I don't know anything about objects, so I can't say.
AFL GaryJ  Overwhelming response :)
DanP18     Ok.  The apathy is so thick, I'll cede the floor.
AFC DYAJim I want C++!!
Sheppy     I could go for that, even though I don't know anything about it.
AFC DYAJim Apple released AppleSoft GS, i remember using it :)
AFC Softy  I'm waiting for Orca/Applesoft myself... ;D
AFL GaryJ  I think it's more of lack of experience with objects, Dan
           (interesting topic, though)
DanP18     When is the 2.01 upgrade for Integer Basic?
AFC Softy  <--- also has IIgs Basic 1.0b4
AFL Marty  It'll be out right after Orca Logo, Spotty
Barnabas   Does anyone know what's going on with the Visionary board?
AFC Softy  Logo IS out Marty.. ;)
AFL Marty  Not for the GS.
AFC DYAJim What about the NEW DSP and the new coprocessor boards!
AFA AndyW  C++ is just a preprocessor for standard C..
AFC DYAJim there's some good news :)
AFC DYAJim Good, then it should be easy to implement Andy :)
Barnabas   Yes, isn't there always?  News you can't use...
AFC Softy  News?  It ain't news until I SEE one.  :)
DanP18     CFRONT is the ATT preprocessor.  Other systems are native C++.
AFA AndyW  HA!!
AFA AndyW  There's also object libraries and other stuff too...
AFL GaryJ  Is Matt back?
DanP18     I have a C++ grammar and lexical analyzer description file, if
           anyone
DanP18     is interested.
AFC Softy  (Marty... true... but it's supposed to be "soon". :)
AFA AndyW  I haven't seen much source code for object libraries recently...
AFL Marty  Lots of things are supposed to be "soon".
AFL GaryJ  Hi YSM
Sheppy     That's for sure.
AFL GaryJ  I was going to ask if they were going to let Dave out of the
           closet now that System 6.0.1 is released.
AFL GaryJ  (Matt, that is)
Sheppy     :)
Barnabas   Yes, remember the Reztek board nearly ready to ship in January?
AFC Softy  (Like you and I are gonna hit the lottery "soon".  :)
AFL GaryJ  Need an update to Nifty List :)
AFC DYAJim I was going thru my room and found the Reztek advertisment from
           AppleFest '90!
AFC DYAJim anyone seen the II alive video yet?
Barnabas   Yes, I remember that board... at least he doesn't just disappear,
           like a lot
Barnabas   of other "soon"s...
AFC Softy  It'll be out "soon" Jim.. :)
AFA AndyW  Anyone got the new tool call names with their numbers so I can
           update my
Sheppy     It's a perpetual "soon".
AFA AndyW  NL data file???
Sheppy     That would be interesting to hear.
AFL GaryJ  What, the list of numbers, Sheppy?
Sheppy     The list of the new tool calls.
Barnabas   And, while we're at it, it's been over a month since you-know-what
           started
Barnabas   shipping, and it still isn't you-know-where...
AFC DYAJim Hey YSM! (heh :)
Barnabas   (So, do you-know-why?)
AFA AndyW  Well, anyone have the list???
Sheppy     Please?
Sheppy     :)
AFL GaryJ  I don't here.  Anyone else?
Sheppy     Nobody?
Matt DTS   (back)
AFA AndyW  Matt must have it somewhere!
AFL GaryJ  List of new tool calls in System 6.0.1
AFC DYAJim hey Eric, did you see Proboot made the new II alive?
Matt DTS   I don't have a "list" of such things, no.  They're interspersed
           throughout the large release notes.
Sheppy     What?  No... you're kidding, right?
AFL GaryJ  Is Dave working on his Nifty List update now that he can do other
           things besides 6.0.1, Matt? :)
AFA AndyW  How about an updated NL.Data file Matt????
Barnabas   In other words, only the list of new tool calls available on
           online services...
AFA AndyW  (sigh)
Matt DTS   I don't write Nifty List, Andy.
AFA AndyW  I guess I'll have to pull the calls out of GSBug...
Sheppy     Oh, well.
Barnabas   Yes, that _would_ be quite an improvement, Andy... :)
AFC DYAJim no, I'm not kidding!
AFA AndyW  BBL...
AFC DYAJim Proboot's in there! by eric Shepherd :)
AFC Softy  Gee Eric... you're a star.. :)
AFC DYAJim (in case you forgot that you wrote it ;)
Sheppy     Why?  I don't get it.  What do they say, "here's an example of a
           really bad
Sheppy     program." :)
AFC DYAJim the Shareware Spy column.  I just love the smell of their ink!
AFC DYAJim but I despise the catalog and the continued reluctance to carry T2
           ..
AFL GaryJ  Take it easy, Jim (don't sniff too hard)
AFC DYAJim (and all the blurred 640 mode screenshots)
AFC Softy  (Too late Gary :))
Barnabas   They still won't carry T2?
Sheppy     Oh!  The magazine!  I thought you were talking about the video
           still.  Okay,
AFC DYAJim :sniff sniff:
Sheppy     that makes sense then. :)
AFC DYAJim well, they say they will, Greg, but they haven't done anything
           other than say
AFC DYAJim that. (and that was back in April/May)
AFC DYAJim it will be reviewed in the next issue tho, I'm assured.
Barnabas   Well, what we need to do is deluge them with calls asking for
           T2.
Sheppy     I need to get that issue, or at least get a copy of that section
           of the
Sheppy     magazine.  I want to know what they say. :)
AFC DYAJim I hope it's a comprehensive review - since they've had T2 since
           April!!
AFC DYAJim yeah, you're right Greg.
AFC DYAJim Eric - it's a straightforward description.  No "wow this is the
           coolest thing
AFC DYAJim in the world" but also no "this program doesn't work;s tay away
           from it" either
AFC DYAJim :)
AFC DYAJim James called QC and asked for T2 a couple months ago.  They told
           him they'd
AFC DYAJim never carry it (I think), but that was a while back now
Sheppy     Ah.  Generic description.  Okay.
AFL Marty  They've done that to other products too.
Barnabas   Did you ever crack the new installation of modules in Phantasm,
           Jim?
AFL GaryJ  They'd NEVER carry it?  Or, they didn't carry it?
AFC DYAJim You'd have to ask James.  I think they told him to get Signature
           or go
AFC DYAJim elsewhere.
AFC DYAJim That probably was in May
Sheppy     Last I heard, about two weeks ago, Quality said they didn't carry
           T2.
Barnabas   Did they give a reason?
Sheppy     It was a utilities forum chat, and someone asked the Quality guy
           in attendance
AFC DYAJim And they've been telling me since April that they'd carry it.
Sheppy     if they carried it, and the guy said, "No.  It's a really good
           screen blanker,
Sheppy     but we don't carry it."
AFC DYAJim I'm going to start bugging them a lot about it and see what
           happens.
AFC DYAJim If nothing happens, I'll write an interesting letter to the editor
           :)
AFC DYAJim Then again, my letter to A+ correcting all their stupid T2
           mistakes never
AFC DYAJim got published.
AFC DYAJim (maybe it wouldh ave made the August issue; who knows)
AFL GaryJ  We'll never know, I guess :)
AFC DYAJim yeah, Gary..  at least my GS+ letter made it in :)
AFL Marty  At least inCider didn't misquote you in their last issue.
AFC DYAJim how did they misquote you?
AFL GaryJ  I don't know what I'm going to do without a paper edition of
           A2-Central now.
AFL Marty  There was a question about the filetype/creator for TT fonts.
Barnabas   Print it out?
AFC DYAJim print out the disk version? ;)
AFL Marty  I told them FFIL/DMOV
AFC DYAJim was this in letter to the editor or what, Marty?
AFL Marty  They quoted me as saying TTRO/DMOV.
YSM Jim    Switch to A2-Central On Disk.
AFL Marty  Apple Clinic
Matt DTS   :)
AFL Marty  Twits.
AFC DYAJim what is TTRO?
AFL Marty  Teach text (read only)
AFC DYAJim yes, they are twits.  I sent them an early press release for T2
           which states
AFL GaryJ  How could they goof up something like that?
AFC DYAJim in the 2nd paragraph that T2 will sell for $39.95, and Paul Statt
           writes that
AFC DYAJim T2 is shareware.
Matt DTS   (that's 'ttro'.  Case is significant)
AFC DYAJim (January issue)
AFL Marty  This was inCider, Gary.
AFL GaryJ  I mean, that is technical information that should be looked at
           carefully during
AFC DYAJim how could they goof up something like that? :)
AFL GaryJ  typesetting :)
AFL Marty  It was wrong in any "case", Matt.
AFC DYAJim however, I must commend their "what's new" department people. 
           They actually
AFC DYAJim called me to confirm what they were going to print was correct! 
           wow, amazing.
AFC DYAJim doesn't jive with the rest of the company.
AFC DYAJim My favorite recent stunt was when they put a mac screenshot in the
           AII what's
AFC DYAJim new section for 1040works.
Barnabas   Of course, it was all wrong anyway, but its the thought that
           counts... :)
AFC DYAJim Apparently, they dumped the 1040works (80column) main screen to
           disk, then
AFL GaryJ  :)
AFC DYAJim opened it up in a window in Mac America Online (on a 21" monitor
           so that
AFC DYAJim the 1040works screen is squashed up in the top left corner) then
           put the
AFC DYAJim mac screenshot of AOL in the AII what's new, with characters so
           small on the
AFC DYAJim 21" that you can't read a thing..
Sheppy     Sounds pretty sleazy to me. :)
AFC DYAJim intriguing, at least I think so :)
AFC DYAJim at least they used a monospaced font I think
Barnabas   Well, can't get away with that sort of thing forever, eh?
AFC DYAJim I wrote and asked about that in my letter to the editor too, while
           correcting
AFC DYAJim their T2 mistakes :)
AFL GaryJ  Maybe that's what convinced them to fold, Jim.
Barnabas   So, Eric, have you done anything with the code I sent you?
Barnabas   That was your mistake, Jim... two topics in one letter...
AFL GaryJ  :)
Sheppy     Eh?  Greg, I just got back from 10 hours on campus an hour ago. 
           Gimme a break.
AFC DYAJim brb
Barnabas   I just gave you one. :)
AFL GaryJ  There's one on line 57.
Sheppy     (time spent programming a Z80, no less.  ** shudder **)
Barnabas   Ooh, more ugliness from T2... Spirographics after some other
           module, leaves
AFL GaryJ  Z80?
AFL GaryJ  This is "school"?
Barnabas   palette glitches near the top of the screen...
Sheppy     Oh, yes.  Electrical engineering.  Very advanced stuff.  1970's
           technology
Sheppy     for tomorrow. :)
Barnabas   That's like what my boss at The Learning Company used to always
           say:
AFL GaryJ  Where do you go to replace the tubes in your machines?
Sheppy     Haven't blown one yet. :)
Barnabas   "Training the Leaders of Tomorrow with the Technology of
           Yesterday".
Sheppy     Exactly right!
Barnabas   (Well, he was talking about the Apple II, Eric...)
AFL GaryJ  I remeber going to the store with my dad to get a replacement tube
           for our TV.
Sheppy     ** Gasp **
Barnabas   (Although he was favorably impressed, when I showed him that the
           IIGS's were
Barnabas   being grossly handicapped running the Apple IIe software, and
           could do much
AFA Jay    We still have a tube powered short wave radio :)
Barnabas   better...)
Sheppy     Wow.  This Telenet access number sure works better (and faster!)
           than that
Sheppy     Tymnet number I used to use.
Barnabas   Ugh... More T2 ugliness... Spirographics after another module,
           again...
Sheppy     The radio in my dad's Chevy uses tubes.  Actually, the radio is on
           the garage
Sheppy     floor. :)
Barnabas   (I'll just keep saying this until Jim starts working again).
AFL GaryJ  :)
AFA Jay    I like the little orange glow tubes give off :)
AFL GaryJ  When we're done, we can send Jim the log file, Greg :)
Sheppy     Well... I've seen some bright white ones, too.
Barnabas   Those old things were always more appealing in the winter
           months... :)
Barnabas   Yes, good idea, Gary...
AFL GaryJ  Computer innards are relatively boring.  My kids were rather
           underwhelmed when I exposed the guts
AFL GaryJ  of my IIGS.  It was nothing at all like the "Intel inside"
           commercial :)
Sheppy     Well, yeah.  All the interesting parts are too small to see
           without special
Barnabas   Give them a sledgehammer, and it livens things up quite a bit...
           :)
Sheppy     equipment. :)
AFA Jay    I like that commercial :)
Sheppy     I think that commercial really sucks... although that may just be
           my anti-x86
Sheppy     bias. :)
AFL GaryJ  Could be, Sheppy :)
Barnabas   The slogan should be "Intel Inside... all those bucks go to pay
           for ads like
Barnabas   this!"
Barnabas   ("What MORE could you want?")
AFC DYAJim Intel Inside is LAME!!!
AFC DYAJim I got this C program off of comp.sources that "lamerizes" text.
           it's
AFC DYAJim hilarious.
AFL GaryJ  All the bucks go to pay for the "Intel" writing on the chip
Sheppy     (like having an intel chip in your system is actually a good
           thing)
AFL GaryJ  (And the little labels that go on the outside of the PC's)
Barnabas   Let's start a new thing: "Western Design In Mine"
AFL GaryJ  Define "lamerizes", Jim :)
Sheppy     What kind of mine is WD in?
AFC DYAJim lamerizes.. like let me think..
AFL GaryJ  Good one, Greg :)
YSM Jim    Acually, the money goes to write the 'DX' in that brushstroke on
           the chip :)
AFL GaryJ  That's right, YSM :)
AFC DYAJim th1z iz way t()() c()()L duDeZ!
Sheppy     Exactly how many models of the 486 are there, anyway?  Thirty? 
           Forty?
AFC DYAJim it's funny.. supposedly you can pipe it to IRC so everything you
           type will
Barnabas   Genuine simulated hand-crafted naugahyde chips to lock up out of
           sight in your
Barnabas   computer.
AFC DYAJim come out lamerized automatically
AFL GaryJ  Oh, I understand, Jim.  It takes a computer to do that kind of
           thing?
AFC DYAJim yup
AFL Marty  You don't need a program for that.  Just visit the Lobby.
YSM Jim    :)
AFL GaryJ  (I didn't think it took any kind of "mind" - I see that stuff
           online all the time :)
AFL GaryJ  Right, Marty :)
AFC DYAJim I piped the CC manpage thru it.. very funny :)
Barnabas   The human mind can't grasp that kind of complex recoding
           algorithm...
AFC DYAJim I piped the T2 press release thru JiveTalk and ValSpeak under GNO!
            ROTFL.
AFL GaryJ  Well, that shut everyone up :)
Sheppy     Back when I was forced to use Messy-DOS, I always had a file that
           would print
AFC DYAJim but password grabbing is more fun
Sheppy     horrible (but true) things about IBM, called "BASEBALL.BAT". 
           Perfect for
Sheppy     bashing. :)
AFC DYAJim I got it.. I'll pipe the output of my "sex" utility thru jivetalk
           in my
AFL GaryJ  :)
AFC DYAJim gshrc and see what happens :)
Sheppy     I don't even want to know what that means... :)
AFC DYAJim (it generates random kinky stories :)
AFC DYAJim it's actually quite popular.. Jonah sent me a version of it 2
           years ago,
Sheppy     Oh, is that a standard part of Berkeley Unix? :)
AFC DYAJim and I found the source on an ibm board and recompiled it myself.
Barnabas   Only took 2000 hours of Jim's time... quite worth it, considering
           how much time
AFC DYAJim I wonder how it would look piped to jive..
Barnabas   he spends with it now... :)
Sheppy     :)
AFC DYAJim :)
AFL Marty  I should think you'd be able to generate your own kinky stories.
           :)
AFL GaryJ  Again, go to the lobby
AFL Marty  lol
Barnabas   Anybody know of any Fish modules for T2 (besides things written by
           N.M.)?
AFL GaryJ  :)
Sheppy     I still want Fish (and Flying Toasters, or Microwaves, or
           whatever).
AFC DYAJim speaking of which..
AFL GaryJ  Hi LIV
AFC DYAJim hi LIV 4!! welcome
LIV 4 LUV  Does anyone know how to reconfigure a Mac System with swoftware?
YSM Jim    Did you implement Satori?
AFC DYAJim reDennis :)
AFC DYAJim I love Satori, but I don't think the GS's resolution could handle
           it
Sheppy     Only vaguely.  That's a Mac question, so I'll ignore it. :)
LIV 4 LUV  Is that to me?
AFC DYAJim (plus you need 256 colors full screen ?)
WizrdsMuse :)
Sheppy     Somebody sure disappeared fast. :)
AFL GaryJ  Oh well :)
YSM Jim    Well, PC AfterDark can do it in 16, but it doesn't cycle - while -
           drawing.
AFL Marty  I can't imagine why.
AFL GaryJ  (Couldn't type fast enough)
Barnabas   Not enough LUV in here... LIVs for it, you know... :)
AFC DYAJim Mac AD won't do satori in 16 colors.
AFC DYAJim I wouldn't mind the source to that :)
AFL GaryJ  I like Jim's comment.... "speaking of which... "   :)
AFC DYAJim hey Bill.
AFC DYAJim yeah I was wondering if anyone noticed Gary :)
QualityCom Long time no see Jim.
QualityCom Hello everyone
AFC DYAJim yeah!
Barnabas   Oh, we were just saying nasty things about you!
Sheppy     Greetings, QC.
AFL Marty  Hello Bill.
AFL GaryJ  I was restraining myself from "LOL"ing on screen :)
QualityCom I need 5 beta testers.....
QualityCom So here's the way to do it.
Sheppy     For what/what for, QC?
QualityCom the first five to email me their real name, address, telephone
           number, 
QualityCom computer type will become beta testers for Quadriga.
QualityCom or should I say  may become
AFL GaryJ  What kind of machine is required?
Barnabas   Oh, I thought it was for something interesting... [yawn] ;)
AFC DYAJim I'd go for it, but I don't use 8bit AW much at all
QualityCom any Apple II or laser 128
QualityCom you also need to own or purchase AW3.0 to do this
Sheppy     Sounds intriguing.
Barnabas   Mac Quadra, 64MB RAM, two 2-page color displays, and a 40-gig.
           HD.
Sheppy     That would explain the name. :)
AFC DYAJim and system 7.2
Sheppy     No, no, Jim.  System 8.0. :)
Barnabas   Pirated, preferably?
Barnabas   Yes, Eric, but for the GS.
Sheppy     Mmmmm.
AFC DYAJim any takers?
QualityCom Anyone out there with an LC and //e Card?
AFL GaryJ  Not here.
QualityCom I've got two.....
AFL GaryJ  (Not me, I mean)
Barnabas   Yes, a guy I met in Wisconsin, once...
AFA Jay    oh geez.
Sheppy     I've never even seen a //e Card, although one of my programs has
           some special
Sheppy     code to twiddle the speed. :)
AFC DYAJim I saw a IIe card at apple central expo
Sheppy     Don't even know if that code works.
AFL GaryJ  Did someone test it for you, Eric?
Barnabas   Had one at TLC.  Trash.
Sheppy     Nope.  Good thing it isn't released yet, huh? :)
AFL GaryJ  I guess not :)
AFL GaryJ  Oh, that's the program that requires Pointless to run?  :)
QualityCom OK....I've got all five...
QualityCom and now back to our program.
Sheppy     Eh?  No, ProBOOT 5.1.1, I believe, required Pointless to run. 
           That's why I'm
Barnabas   Sure, I bet he's just saving face because he couldn't get any
           volunteers... :)
Sheppy     always shocked to see a copy of it.  Someone was using it at AEW. 
           I corrected
Sheppy     them at once. :)
Sheppy     (good thing Greg made me bring 5.2 along...)
AFC DYAJim I traded my HP48SX for a GX (how exciting :)
Sheppy     I never heard of the GX.  What's the difference?
Matt DTS   Well, I'm gonna take off.  See y'all later.
YSM Jim    Oh, no, not MORE of his GX.
Sheppy     Later, Matt.
AFL GaryJ  Goodnight, Matt
AFL GaryJ  Thanks for coming
YSM Jim    See ya Matt.
AFC DYAJim bye Matt
AFC DYAJim too much to describe, Eric.  it's MUCH better, and for almost the
           same price:)
AFC DYAJim most important - it's got mine hunt built in ;)
Barnabas   Pfffftt.
YSM Jim    Gee, this sounds awful familiar.
Sheppy     Intriguing.  I came within a hair's breadth of buying an HP 48SX
           once, but then
AFC DYAJim yah, it's a conversation pick me up
Sheppy     it occurred to me that I really don't need one. :)