Path: news.uiowa.edu!news.uiowa.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!salliemae!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!zcaa1122 From: zcaa1122@rpool9.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Wulf Hofbauer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,comp.sys.apple2.programmer Subject: Re: Which Programming Language Date: 11 Sep 1995 19:29:42 GMT Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4322n6$48gk@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <40vilm$prh@nps.navy.mil> <4115g1$765@Mars.mcs.com> <1995Aug21.165808.9368@chemabs.uucp> <42v1sn$jvn@er7.rutgers.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rpool9.rus.uni-stuttgart.de Xref: news.uiowa.edu comp.sys.apple2:92340 comp.sys.apple2.programmer:5442 In article <42v1sn$jvn@er7.rutgers.edu>, Kid wrote: >I would like to see HyperC rise again to where it was a couple >of years ago; Opix undergoing constant development, HGR/DHR tools >being written, and some people actually knew how to make .SYS files >with the package. Now what do 8-bitters have for a free language >option? Hmmm... what's the problem? Opix is still being developed (though I never find the time to write docs for a distributed version). HGR/DHGR access is still working as it did. And creating SYS files is not that difficult, especially since HyperC is the most transparent (and best documented) system I've ever seen. Maybe the latter is the cause that not much is to be read about it on the net - there are few questions without obvious answers. And if you have a question you don't find the answer yourself, ask - that's what the net is for :). OK, here's an offer: if there's someone willing to write the docs, I can distribute a new Opix version. I'd give out most of the source code and would be willing to answer technical questions for this purpose. I don't have much time over, alas, and writing manuals in English isn't one of the easiest tasks for me. If there is really interest in it, I may also provide a library to create stand-alone applications (SYS files), though this may take some time to implement. I could also imagine someone else doing it. Why not you? :) It is doable for anyone knowing ProDOS, 6502 assembly, and having enough time left to explore the depths of the HyperC system. Just try it. As a side note, I think the HyperC system is also great for assembly language programmers. I gave up Merlin for it, at last. Though it hasn't some tricky features other assemblers provide, it is a full-blown assembler, generating relocatable output, and it has all the tools (linker, librarian) to do serious development. In combination with the C compiler, testing of assembly routines is a snap. In addition, the overall environment is not as crippled as many all-in-one editor/assembler packages. It's also quite easy to use once you've read the docs. IMHO all this more than compensates for its relative slowness. - Wulf -- ________________________________________________________ | | | Wulf Hofbauer | wulf.hofbauer@studbox.uni-stuttgart.de | | | w.hofbauer@physik.uni-stuttgart.de |